Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DaybreakHorizon]

Nope for example in SE in the great maze I have the option of going up down left and right to find the sequence of doors for the exit free to explore at my own pace.

A board game map which has branching paths does not make the game less linear.

And because a game that is over a decade old was linear (Melee) does not mean that I cannot have expectations for a none linear non-linear story mode in the latest smash

I should start making note of the grammatical fixes I make within a quote so all of you write better. You're not the only person to be guilty of this, so don't think I'm targeting you by saying this or having you be the first person I do this to.

Anyways, the Great Maze is an absolute ****ing mess to navigate and go through. If that's the type of "non-linear" adventure mode you want then I'm glad we got WoL instead.

I also feel like you're holding Smash Bros. to an impossibly high standard. Like, do you seriously expect Smash Bros. to have an actual story mode? Sure, the Subspace Emissary was great, but it was also incredibly flawed, and held back the development of Brawl to the point that 7 characters didn't make it because they focused on SSE instead. Now, we have no idea how many of them would've made it in had SSE not taken up so much development time, but at the very least we would've gotten Mewtwo and Roy back since they had actual sound files in the game.

Smash Bros. is first and foremost a character-fighting game. It's not expected to have a groundbreaking, open-world story mode, it's expected to have a bunch of characters, stages, and modes for me to beat the **** out of my friends with. Barely anyone seriously plays Smash Bros. mainly for the single player content, it's a bonus alongside the actual meat and potatoes of the game. Would you rather have a five star dinner with dessert, or without dessert? The dessert does nothing but enhance the dinner as a whole, and instead of complaining about how it could've been x, y, or z, why don't you just enjoy it? There's no reason not to.

I swear, Smash Bros. fans are impossible to please at times. Sakurai and his team add Spirits to incorporate a bunch of non-playable characters into the game and live up to Smash Bros' nature as an imaginative character fighter, and they still get criticized for it. You just can't win with this fanbase, can you?

 

[PsySmasher]

I read what you were quoting. Am I not allowed to input an opinion on a public thread?

You are.
For some reason he gets upset whenever someone responds to something that isn't directly addressed to you.
Kind of defeats the purpose of posting on a public forum though.

 

[Shroob]

Ya'll are just falling hard for the bait from a well known troll.

 

[WaxPython]

That's literally what a general consensus is...

No I gave my thoughts on what the actual general consensus is

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Let me get this straight mods:

You give me a flaming warning yet you allow WaxPython to continue to troll. All I told him to do was use the internet to find a very simple question on what the game mode is. (Which you can see on the smash website). He keeps referring to the adventure mode as a board game yet, we told him it's not. He is clearly baiting people.

You mods are really doing a good job here! I should of known better on smashboards.

Grow up.

 

[Xphooni]

don’t remember 3D World being disliked...at all...a vadt majority love that game (and 3D Land aswell). If you said something like NSMB2 or U then that comment might’ve nearly worked out better

3d world was definitely disliked by many if not most of the fans of the more main series games (eg. 64, sunshine, galaxy)

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Yes I agree with that but it was my point about potential.

Brawl was in development before 2007 gaming has changed since then.

No reason for me not to want an evolved none linear non-linear story mode for Smash ultimate

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Like, Smash Bros. is Smash Bros. I don't understand why you'd expect a Breath of the Wild or Odyssey level overhaul of the story just because "the times have changed" or something. Smash Bros. is a character fighting game, and it doesn't need to be anything else.

If it's not broken, then why should it be fixed?

 

[Xphooni]

Ya'll are just falling hard for the bait from a well known troll.

Are you talking about GoeGoe?

 

[WaxPython]

I should start making note of the grammatical fixes I make within a quote so all of you write better.

You should not, as I'm on vacation and typing lengthy passages on a mobile device. I think punctuation aside I do a acceptable job of being comprehensible for the purposes of casual discussion on an internet discussion board.

 

[Shroob]

Are you talking about GoeGoe?

No.

 

[KMDP]

I should start making note of the grammatical fixes I make within a quote so all of you write better. You're not the only person to be guilty of this, so don't think I'm targeting you by saying this or having you be the first person I do this to.

Anyways, the Great Maze is an absolute ****ing mess to navigate and go through. If that's the type of "non-linear" adventure mode you want then I'm glad we got WoL instead.

I also feel like you're holding Smash Bros. to an impossibly high standard. Like, do you seriously expect Smash Bros. to have an actual story mode? Sure, the Subspace Emissary was great, but it was also incredibly flawed, and held back the development of Brawl to the point that 7 characters didn't make it because they focused on SSE instead. Now, we have no idea how many of them would've made it in had SSE not taken up so much development time, but at the very least we would've gotten Mewtwo and Roy back since they had actual sound files in the game.

Smash Bros. is first and foremost a character-fighting game. It's not expected to have a groundbreaking, open-world story mode, it's expected to have a bunch of characters, stages, and modes for me to beat the **** out of my friends with. Barely anyone seriously plays Smash Bros. mainly for the single player content, it's a bonus alongside the actual meat and potatoes of the game. Would you rather have a five star dinner with desert, or without desert? The desert does nothing but enhance the dinner as a whole, and instead of complaining about how it could've been x, y, or z, why don't you just enjoy it? There's no reason not to.

I swear, Smash Bros. fans are impossible to please at times. Sakurai and his team add Spirits to incorporate a bunch of non-playable characters into the game and live up to Smash Bros' nature as an imaginative character fighter, and they still get criticized for it. You just can't win with this fanbase, can you?

Would you rather have a five star dinner with desert, or without desert? The desert does nothing but enhance the dinner as a whole, and instead of complaining about how it could've been x, y, or z, why don't you just enjoy it?

I should start making note of the grammatical fixes I make within a quote so all of you write better. You're not the only person to be guilty of this, so don't think I'm targeting you by saying this or having you be the first person I do this to.

*talks about having to fix grammar*
*misspells "dessert" later in the same post*

Not an attack, TPC. Just a humorous observation.

 

[Xphooni]

No.

Who?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Ya'll are just falling hard for the bait from a well known troll.

Yeah I know.

There's just nothing better to do. I haven't had a good debate here in a while. Even though this is more like debating with a wall.

*talks about having to fix grammar*
*misspells "dessert" later in the same post*

Not an attack, TPC. Just a humorous observation.

Oh no worries dude I totally expected it. "Those who live in glass castles shall not cast stones" and all that. I'll just blame it on the fact that I'm tired.

 

[WaxPython]

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Like, Smash Bros. is Smash Bros. I don't understand why you'd expect a Breath of the Wild or Odyssey level overhaul of the story just because "the times have changed" or something. Smash Bros. is a character fighting game, and it doesn't need to be anything else.

If it's not broken, then why should it be fixed?

Smash bros 64 isn't broken either. Would you be happy if games didnt innovate and push boundaries?

Some of us just expected something different for the story mode and are disappointed with smash ultimate's direction for the single player.

Again imo the online modes are great and I would just like to see something different for the single player component nothing wrong with having different expectations for the game.

 

[Zinith]

*someone says WoL looks like a boardgame*

Me: OH MY ****ING GOD!!!!

....................I couldn't care less

*continues on with my day*

 

[Tree Gelbman]

*someone says WoL looks like a boardgame*

Me: OH MY ****ING GOD!!!!

....................I couldn't care less

*continues on with my day*

But Zinith what if I said Yoshi looks like a board game?

And not even a positive board game but like that game of Monoply that just goes on forever and turns everyone against one another?

 

[Roberk]

Oh, for crying out loud.

WaxPython , World of Light is not a "Board Game".
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This is a board game. Smash Tour is a Board Game.

World of Light has a World Map. I cannot stress enough that this is not the same thing.

Yoooo.

Off-topic, but let's get a Fortune Street game for the Switch ASAP. A Fortune Street with more Nintendo characters not just from Mario would be great as well.

 

[PsySmasher]

Smash bros 64 isn't broken either. Would you be happy if games didnt innovate and push boundaries?

Some of us just expected something different for the story mode and are disappointed with smash ultimate's direction for the single player.

Again imo the online modes are great and I would just like to see something different for the single player component nothing wrong with having different expectations for the game.

You're allowed to have different expectations for the story mode.
But when you make statements like World of Light is essentially a board game.
You ARE going to get pushback from the vast majority of people.

 

[kirbsmash]

*someone says WoL looks like a boardgame*

Me: OH MY ****ING GOD!!!!

....................I couldn't care less

*continues on with my day*

Zinith, Zin, bud, pal, thanks for saying my thoughts on this.

 

[Xphooni]

Yoooo.

Off-topic, but let's get a Fortune Street game for the Switch ASAP. A Fortune Street with more Nintendo characters not just from Mario would be great as well.

Just throw in the entire smash cast. Boom, perfect.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Smash bros 64 isn't broken either. Would you be happy if games didn't innovate and push boundaries?

Some of us just expected something different for the story mode and are disappointed with smash ultimate's direction for the single player.

Again imo the online modes are great and I would just like to see something different for the single player component nothing wrong with having different expectations for the game.

There isn't anything wrong with having difference expectations, but then why insult World of Light as a whole?

Like, I had different expectations for Wreck-It-Ralph 2, and yeah I'm disappointed in it, and can/will voice said disappointment, but I'm not going to absolutely trash it because there's a solid movie with good animation, an interesting and mature message, and witty references. Trashing it is disrespectful to the work that went into it and the people who actually liked the movie (though I don't understand why they would like it to be honest, but I don't have to).

I feel like you just want innovation for innovation's sake and there's really no need for that. It's like J.K. Rowling saying "oh yeah the Sorting Hat was actually transexual" or "Nagini (Voldemort's Snake) is actually a cursed Asian woman" (one of these is true btw), it's nothing but shameless pandering.

 

[Zinith]

But Zinith what if I said Yoshi looks like a board game?

And not even a positive board game but like that game of Monoply that just goes on forever and turns everyone against one another?

It'd be better than New Island at the very least

 

[WaxPython]

You're allowed to have different expectations for the story mode.
But when you make statements like World of Light is essentially a board game.
You ARE going to get pushback from the vast majority of people.

I never said that. I said the game has a board map which is 100 percent true and something I dislike as it is a linear experiance masked by the illusion of choice with branching paths which ultimately lead to the same decisive machina ad infinitum.

Obviously this isnt a literal board game like monopoly but it is fair to say it uses a board map which Is a pace breaker for many players

 

[Dan]

So I've seen Marx, I've seen Ganon... what else out there is worth looking for?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I feel like you just want innovation for innovation's sake and there's no need for that. It's like J.K. Rowling saying "oh yeah the Sorting Hat was actually transexual" or "Nagini (Voldemort's Snake) is actually a cursed Asian woman" (one of these is true btw), it's nothing but shameless pandering.

I'm so glad people see through Joanne's additions to Harry Potter. She truly took the George Lucas approach to what to say and do after you've finished your hit franchise. She really really did.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I never said that. I said the game has a board map which is 100 percent true and something dislike as it is a linear experiance masked by the illusion of choice with branching paths which ultimately lead to the same decisive machina ad infinitum.

Obviously this isnt a literal board game like monopoly but it is fair to say it uses a board map which Is a pace breaker for many players

Aaaaaaand we're right back to square 1.

I think this is where I'll take my leave. Someone else can handle this. Have a good night everyone.

 

[KMDP]

Yoooo.

Off-topic, but let's get a Fortune Street game for the Switch ASAP. A Fortune Street with more Nintendo characters not just from Mario would be great as well.

Fortune Street is great. They should bring more of them over to the West (though that would require more Dragon Quest games to come over and... well, let's see).

Just throw in the entire smash cast. Boom, perfect.

Or. Or. They could add a Fortune Street mode to Smash Bros. when/if Slime or Erdrick get made playable.
Let some of the Assist Trophies/Pokémon tag along for extra fun.

 

[WaxPython]

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No because that does not add anything to the source material.

Having an open ended smash ultimate story mode which is none linear with different outcomes for different characters along with exploration based missions and onjdxricdz obviously would add another dimension to the single player experiance and would not just be pandering.

 

[GoeGoe]

I read what you were quoting. Am I not allowed to input an opinion on a public thread?

sigh..
Then why do you imply we're against KHIII on Switch? Why do you imply we strained your input rights? the subject irrelevency was staggering.
Maybe some are ok with this, but personally I don't bother much with irrelevant replies, I did it out of courtesy. New and what not...
So for this user, if you'd like a reply please stay on subject. Feel free to jump on everyone else though.

 

[Idon]

I'm so glad people see through Joanne's additions to Harry Potter. She truly took the George Lucas approach to what to say and do after you've finished your hit franchise. She really really did.

I think the term you're looking for is... jumping the shark.

 

[Xphooni]

Or. Or. They could add a Fortune Street mode to Smash Bros. when/if Slime or Erdrick get made playable.
Let some of the Assist Trophies/Pokémon tag along for extra fun.

That would would be great. Some people might view it as another smash tour and not give it a chance.

sigh..
Then why do you imply we're against KHIII on Switch? Why do you imply we strained your input rights? the subject irrelevency was staggering.
Maybe some are ok with this, but personally I don't bother much with irrelevant replies, I did it out of courtesy. New and what not...
So for this user, if you'd like a reply please stay on subject. Feel free to jump on everyone else though.

I wasn't intentionally implying it.

 

[DevaAshera]

For the 3D Mario Debate...here's my views on Super Mario 3D World..by placing it somewhere in my list of favorite 3D Mario titles..from favorite to least favorite.
- Super Mario Odyssey
- Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Super Mario Galaxy 2
- Super Mario 3D World
- Super Mario Sunshine
- Super Mario 3D Land

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I never said that. I said the game has a board map which is 100 percent true and something I dislike as it is a linear experiance masked by the illusion of choice with branching paths which ultimately lead to the same decisive machina ad infinitum.

Obviously this isnt a literal board game like monopoly but it is fair to say it uses a board map which Is a pace breaker for many players

If lack of player choice is your complaint then you must have hated Subspace which was a very linear story which also contaid a world map and whose biggest choices were picking which character you want to play as.

From what we can tell, the branching map of WoL and the fact that you appear to be allowed to go in whatever direction you want already gives you more freedom of choice then past entries

 

[KMDP]

I'm so glad people see through Joanne's additions to Harry Potter. She truly took the George Lucas approach to what to say and do after you've finished your hit franchise. She really really did.

J.K. Rowling hasn't done anything like re-releasing the Harry Potter franchise "as originally intended" with intrusive CG... yet.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

No because that does not add anything to the source material.

Having an open ended smash ultimate story mode which is none linear with different outcomes for different characters along with exploration based missions and onjdxricdz what even does this mean obviously would add another dimension to the single player experiance experience and would not just be pandering.

Last post before I go to bed.

Do you understand how long that would take to develop? This would easily take a year or two's worth of focused development time, and this would be on top of the other things required of a Smash Bros. game, like characters, stages, modes, items, assist trophies, etc. A mode like this would've cost more than SSE in terms of development strain. Something like this would've likely come at the cost of "Everyone is Here!" and/or newcomers like Ridley, Simon, K. Rool, and Inkling, which isn't worth it at all.

Your choice is between more characters that'll please multiple fanbases and a mode than people will play once, maybe twice at best. The superior choice is clearly evident.

It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it to, and that simply won't happen.

 

[Dan]

Do we know how characters are unlocked yet?

 

[Xphooni]

If lack of player choice is your complaint then you must have hated Subspace which was a very linear story which also contaid a world map and whose biggest choices were picking which character you want to play as.

From what we can tell, the branching map of WoL and the fact that you appear to be allowed to go in whatever direction you want already gives you more freedom of choice then past entries

He already talked about subspace noting that wol is not the innovation he was hoping for.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I think the term you're looking for is... jumping the shark.

Ehhhhh, I consider those VERY different things.

I'd explain but it'd just derail the thread, but to paraphrase what Lucas and JK did to Star Wars and Harry Potter is remarkably successful still despite it all, where as jumping the shark is usually when a show or movie or series tries something and it falls flat on it's face and people just tune out.

Basically I associate jumping the shark with killing a franchise. Harry Potter and Star Wars are pretty unsinkable as media franchises and I'd wager that at some point JK will even do like George and just bow out and it'll still be going on.

It's still nice to see that some fans and people see through her bull**** though.

 

[Xphooni]

Do we know how characters are unlocked yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[DevaAshera]

J.K. Rowling hasn't done anything like re-releasing the Harry Potter franchise "as originally intended" with intrusive CG... yet.

I'm kinda curious what game did that.