Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

there’s less people here than usual

 

[Solaris_Noid]

I'm actually kinda curious as to why people saying Metered FS's are busted. Don't they supposedly do less damage than ones from Smash Balls and even then, some of them have like specific hitboxes to where you have to be decently close to land them. The only ones I can think of that probably would be annoying to deal with would be Sonic's if it was his Brawl/Smash 4 one but Super Sonic is a pseudo-cutscene FS now and you don't control him.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Steve is likely, I just don't want to believe it
I'd take a Minecraft boss over him
plus Day 1 DLC with Home Run Contest/Boss Rush/other missing staples? yes pls

Well that’s what Verge is saying it seems, Microsoft boss and no Steve

 

[Iridium]

how is rolling bad?

Spammers can't spam them anymore, or they have to deal with slower rolls with less intangibility. Pretty much ensures more aggressive play is rewarded, which I personally really like. Now it's not advised to do, but players were free to do that in past games...

 

[Graizen]

I'm still waiting for the Crash Bandicoot discussions

Oh please , lets start it rght now.

Crash is one of my top favorite characters of all time!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Holy **** Incineroar can drop through platforms with Up B as a mix up lmao

 

[ClaTheBae]

how is rolling bad?

Well for a few reasons

1. The more you roll, the more ending lag you have on it, and thus it's easier to punish

2. Every character is a lot faster, so the chances of someone capitalizing off of on unsafe roll are that much higher

3. There are a lot better defensive options. Recently, GimR revealed that full hopping actually has a frame advantage over rolling. Not to mention, crouching is buffed in this game. It's also better to try and parry a move rather than roll away, as you are less likely to get punished off of a parry

 

[Knight Dude]

Until we can Aerial Rave between 3 characters, I don't think Squad Strike is like the VS series at all. If anything, it functions more like Tekken's team battle or KOF's style of fighting until your character is dead.

 

[Graizen]

Well that’s what Verge is saying it seems, Microsoft boss and no Steve

Nop. Verge said he heard about a Minecraft boss, but that this don't deconfirms Steve as a character.

And Hitagi said he is 100% for Steve as a character, and that Banjo is not one.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I roll dodge all the time in Smash 4, so I'll have to get used to this change if it really sucks

Most people do. Rolling is really good in Smash 4. It's been nerfed heavily thankfully, but it will still have uses in this game

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Pretty much ensures more aggressive play is rewarded, which I personally really like.

Aww man, that means that I'm screwed...

 

[PsySmasher]

how is rolling bad?

Rolling got heavily nerfed in Ultimate.

For every consecutive dodge roll you make, there’s more lag added on to each one. It’s still fine if you do it a couple of times in a row, but it becomes more risky the more you rely on it.

 

[Knight Dude]

how is rolling bad?

Doing it too much makes you predictable, and a good opponent will open you up between rolls. Now, the more you roll, there's some more cooldown between them, making it easier to get slapped for doing it too much. Same way using the same attack over and over again gets weaker until you start using more stuff.

I'm still waiting for the Crash Bandicoot discussions

Be the change you want to see. What do you want to talk about in particular?

 

[Iridium]

Fox Illusion tip mentions that shields will stop Fox, this confirms that it was intentional to not make it pass through shields pic.twitter.com/ZpfFPtiTXg

— Ruben (@Ruben_dal) November 25, 2018

They were not kidding when they said this was intentional...

Well, just be more tricky with them, I guess.

 

[Gentlepanda]

So is there a rough character unlock pattern figured out yet? I know there's certain chains: Villager's classic unlocks Shulk, Shulk classic unlocks ROB, and so on; but do we have anything more comprehensive? I want to figure out the quickest path to Ryu.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I'm actually kinda curious as to why people saying Metered FS's are busted. Don't they supposedly do less damage than ones from Smash Balls and even then, some of them have like specific hitboxes to where you have to be decently close to land them. The only ones I can think of that probably would be annoying to deal with would be Sonic's if it was his Brawl/Smash 4 one but Super Sonic is a pseudo-cutscene FS now and you don't control him.

It promotes camping, which is the main problem. Peach, Daisy. and Marth have broken Final Smashes, but the main issue is that it makes camping optimal, so you can just wait for your meter to fill up as you hit stray projectiles. It also makes characters with good final smashes higher tier, and characters being carried by one single move would be incredibly toxic and annoying for both players and spectators

 

[andres22]

Nop. Verge said he heard about a Minecraft boss, but that this don't deconfirms Steve as a character.

And Hitagi said he is 100% for Steve as a character, and that Banjo is not one.

Nop. Verge said he heard about a Minecraft boss is only rep of Minecraft in the game

 

[Deleted member]

Has anyone datamined the Tips section?

 

[Knight Dude]

Do we have any confirmation if Amiibos can also unlock characters early or not? I know it was a rumor, but I don't know if more info popped up after a while.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Y’know somethin’ just hit me, and it ain’t a home run bat.
Is Matthew Taranto even legally allowed to sell BITF? He is using copyrighted characters.

 

[Iridium]

Has anyone datamined the Tips section?

Well, some tips have been shown off on Twitter. I'm showing some here.

Knowing that, Ice Climbers changes:

Ice climber stuff:

- Only popo can grab
- nana is easier to launch than Popo
- Ice shot can damage the ice climbers for some reason pic.twitter.com/r8kaw4M6eA

— Kurogane Hammer (@KuroganeHammer) November 25, 2018

Do we have any confirmation if Amiibos can also unlock characters early or not? I know it was a rumor, but I don't know if more info popped up after a while.

They don't, unfortunately.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Any word on whether a boss rush mode is available?

 

[Deleted member]

Nop. Verge said he heard about a Minecraft boss is only rep of Minecraft in the game

Honestly, I'd live with that level of Minecraft representation in the game. The Ender Dragon would make a good boss.

I'm just against a playable Steve.

 

[PsySmasher]

I'm actually kinda curious as to why people saying Metered FS's are busted. Don't they supposedly do less damage than ones from Smash Balls and even then, some of them have like specific hitboxes to where you have to be decently close to land them. The only ones I can think of that probably would be annoying to deal with would be Sonic's if it was his Brawl/Smash 4 one but Super Sonic is a pseudo-cutscene FS now and you don't control him.

It’s not so much the actual meter, but the actual FS. Peach/Daisy allows you to heal 60% and get a free Smash attack. Marth/Lucina essentially have a one hit KO move. Meanwhile, you got some that can be completely avoided if you’re not hit during the activation period.

And considering that the FS meter fills up about the same for everyone, using it would HEAVILY benefit some characters and HEAVILY hurt others.

 

[Solaris_Noid]

It promotes camping, which is the main problem. Peach, Daisy. and Marth have broken Final Smashes, but the main issue is that it makes camping optimal, so you can just wait for your meter to fill up as you hit stray projectiles. It also makes characters with good final smashes higher tier, and characters being carried by one single move would be incredibly toxic and annoying for both players and spectators

Does it work like DBZF where you gain meter by simply moving or most other games where it's damage based? Cause if it depends on taking damage then I'm not really seeing the camping argument. You have to be really active in how you play then.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Do we have any confirmation if Amiibos can also unlock characters early or not? I know it was a rumor, but I don't know if more info popped up after a while.

A streamer who had an early copy said it doesn’t unlock fighters.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Do we have any confirmation if Amiibos can also unlock characters early or not? I know it was a rumor, but I don't know if more info popped up after a while.

It's all but confirmed amiibo do not unlock characters, unfortunately.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Doing it too much makes you predictable, and a good opponent will open you up between rolls. Now, the more you roll, there's some more cooldown between them, making it easier to get slapped for doing it too much. Same way using the same attack over and over again gets weaker until you start using more stuff.



Be the change you want to see. What do you want to talk about in particular?

Let's discuss the music


It's pretty obvious that if Crash was picked, they will use the N.Sanity soundtrack but the question is, will it be the original or remix?

 

[beans]

Nop. Verge said he heard about a Minecraft boss is only rep of Minecraft in the game

Not confirmed yet. What was exactly said translates into "Minecraft repped by a boss"
It can mean a bossfight, a ender dragon or wither spirit, or the fighter is straight up a minecraft boss.
We dont have any exacts outside of what is in.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

If we get a minecraft boss and Banjo as playable, I'll be all for it!

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Let's discuss the music


It's pretty obvious that if Crash was picked, they will use the N.Sanity soundtrack but the question is, will it be the original or remix?

Probably both.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Do we have any confirmation if Amiibos can also unlock characters early or not? I know it was a rumor, but I don't know if more info popped up after a while.

I think someone tried with a Ganondorf amiibo and it did nothing

 

[Iridium]

And to end future debate on Snake's Codecs, they're pretty much confirmed to work. Most likely not for Smash 4/Ultimate newcomers, though...

Smash Taunts too, which I also like.

gee whizz I thought I read somewhere that they removed codec from the game but apparently not according to the tips (Wolf/Fox/Falco/Pit also have Smash Taunts) pic.twitter.com/mfTwryG74e

— Kurogane Hammer (@KuroganeHammer) November 25, 2018

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Out of Smash topic but

Rumour: Aonuma Apparently Teased Zelda Skyward Sword For Nintendo Switch https://t.co/dVbKH91OZS pic.twitter.com/oE6IUnJGW9

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 25, 2018

Skyward Sword HD is coming! Hopefully announce at VGA like they hinted at MP4.

Since we are a few days away from VGA, cross your fingers for a new Smash rep!

 

[ClaTheBae]

Does it work like DBZF where you gain meter by simply moving or most other games where it's damage based? Cause if it depends on taking damage then I'm not really seeing the camping argument. You have to be really active in how you play then.

It fills up as players give and receive damage, but I'm not sure it if fills up over time. Regardless, this still gives characters with projectiles a huge advantage, as they will literally have no reason to approach. They can sit and throw out their projectiles and then go in and use their final smash when they need to get a kill off

 

[Knight Dude]

Does it work like DBZF where you gain meter by simply moving or most other games where it's damage based? Cause if it depends on taking damage then I'm not really seeing the camping argument. You have to be really active in how you play then.

It's damaged based. But you get pretty big amounts of meter for taking damage. I think you get some for dealing it too, but it works more like the Ultras in SF4, relying on you getting hit to fill up the meter in any meaningful way.

It's all but confirmed amiibo do not unlock characters, unfortunately.

Damn. There goes Minute 1 Mega Man. I gotta figure out how to unlock him quickly.

Let's discuss the music


It's pretty obvious that if Crash was picked, they will use the N.Sanity soundtrack but the question is, will it be the original or remix?

Probably the original. Because they'd likely make new music for a character like Crash. To be honest, I'm not into Crash's music like I am with Spyro's.

 

[Solaris_Noid]

It fills up as players give and receive damage, but I'm not sure it if fills up over time. Regardless, this still gives characters with projectiles a huge advantage, as they will literally have no reason to approach. They can sit and throw out their projectiles and then go in and use their final smash when they need to get a kill off

Eh, I see your point.


I'm still turning it on for online matches. Supers in Smash are hype for me personally.

 

[Deleted member]

**** that lmao

**** you too Evil Buzz Lightyear.

Out of Smash topic but

Rumour: Aonuma Apparently Teased Zelda Skyward Sword For Nintendo Switch https://t.co/dVbKH91OZS pic.twitter.com/oE6IUnJGW9

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 25, 2018

Skyward Sword HD is coming! Hopefully announce at VGA like they hinted at MP4.

Since we are a few days away from VGA, cross your fingers for a new Smash rep!

I never played a Zelda game besides BoTW and Phantom Hourglass when i was so young that i didn’t pass the tutorial.

Maybe i will pick Skyward Sword if it comes to Switch.

 

[jokermelee]

what if the Minecraft boss isn't the Ender Dragon like everyone is thinking but is instead the Wither?

 

[Cosmic77]

Out of Smash topic but

Rumour: Aonuma Apparently Teased Zelda Skyward Sword For Nintendo Switch https://t.co/dVbKH91OZS pic.twitter.com/oE6IUnJGW9

— My Nintendo News (@MyNintendoNews) November 25, 2018

Skyward Sword HD is coming! Hopefully announce at VGA like they hinted at MP4.

Since we are a few days away from VGA, cross your fingers for a new Smash rep!

Boy, I can't wait for the Switch remake of BotW! I bet it would look beautiful in HD.