Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Momotsuki]

Spoiler: Thoughts on unrevealed boss

As a massive Kirby fan who's first title was Super Star Ultra, and with Marx being one of my favorite media characters ever, I am utterly enthralled to see Marx's boss fight. It does the showdown of Kirby Super Star and its remake proper justice with his moves and the like, but given a new, almost eldritch feel to them, along with new moves sprinkled in that further cement the borderline Lovecraftian theme they were seeming to be going for, especially the weird, messed up vine attack during his final moments. Even the boss entrance, while it isn't at all faithful to how Marx actually became a demonic monster, is still totally perfect and gives the character proper Smash boss treatment. There's also the little things like how he shivers and contorts slightly while idling, perfectly demonstrating his unhinged state. Honestly, this really does feel like what the original fight would have been like if Kirby Super Star released today. Being honest, I'm actually way more happy with this than him being playable would have made me. I think, while Marx is definitely fun to play as in Star Allies, his character can only truly be done justice as a boss. All in all, amazing boss, 11/10.

 

[Idon]

Man, I talk about Square Enix here more than I do at r/finalfantasy.

 

[Chrono.]

Also, has anyone found

Spoiler: Boss

Tabuu and Master Core?

It seems weird they have a profile icon and an entry as a boss?(Unsure about this), yet nothing on him soo far.

Everything seems to indicate they're not back.

 

[Shroob]

Everything seems to indicate they're not back.

Weird. They have profile icons and everything alongside the other confirmed bosses.

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

Anyway i'm glad there's 2 fighters pass 10 characters. Makes the game's lifetime longer

 

[Shroob]

Anyway i'm glad there's 2 fighters pass 10 characters. Makes the game's lifetime longer

..........Am I in bizarro world right now, or have I just been sleeping for a year, because I haven't heard **** about this.

 

[Chrono.]

Weird. They have profile icons and everything alongside the other confirmed bosses.

All the datamine really told us are bosses with unique arenas, so there could be more. But I'm not banking on that, especially with these rogue streams doing Classic Mode runs.

Spoiler

Jigglypuff fights giant DK, Bayonetta fights giant Palutena and Pikachu fights Mewtwo and then Master Hand.

Doesn't incite much hope for lots of unique bosses.

 

[Abha]

..........Am I in bizarro world right now, or have I just been sleeping for a year, because I haven't heard **** about this.

Probably misunderstanding some version of news involving the 30 placeholder slots

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

..........Am I in bizarro world right now, or have I just been sleeping for a year, because I haven't heard **** about this.

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

 

[Michael the Spikester]

All the datamine really told us are bosses with unique arenas, so there could be more. But I'm not banking on that, especially with these rogue streams doing Classic Mode runs.

Spoiler

Jigglypuff fights giant DK, Bayonetta fights giant Palutena and Pikachu fights Mewtwo and then Master Hand.

Doesn't incite much hope for lots of unique bosses.

Only so much Sakurai can do considering we have 70+ characters yo.

 

[Shroob]

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

The same one that was going to post a video like 3 days ago, and never did.


Sure Jan.

 

[Deleted member]

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

So you're just going to believe any leak you see?

 

[Opossum]

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

Maaaan do I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[dream1ng]

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

A website reporting on a 4chan post doesn't make it not a 4chan post.

 

[Chrono.]

Only so much Sakurai can do considering we have 70+ characters yo.

It only annoys me from a consistency standpoint.

Some characters get a legit final boss while others just get a regular fight against a bigger version of a regular character.

Just reuse Master Hand if they needed to pad it out.

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

So you're just going to believe any leak you see?

I want to believe there's 10 characters to join

 

[Eru13]

A russian nintendo employee leaked that. as an act of revenge from their boss. I'm not kidding

Stop pushing this "leak", it's as fake as it can get...


On the subject of character unlocks

Spoiler

from what I've seen, it seems they aren't random in classic mode, but when you've already unlocked the first character, it'll just shift priorities to the next one

for example, Mario unlocks Sonic, then Bayo
K Rool unlocks Ice Climbers and Simon, not sure what the order is

 

[A.G.L.]

I'm banking on Slime, but hoping for Sora, even if he isn't really Square Enix.

I would be really annoyed with Square if its Slime. If nothing else it should at least be Erdrcik

. Also I really doubt its Slime, that character also does not fit Square's patterns. Their guest characters are usually the protagonist of the series, such as Noctis and 2B. The rare exception to this rule is Behemoth in Monster Hunter World, and this is most likely due to the fact that Behemoth fit more in Monster Hunter World. I could be wrong on this, but I really do not see Square pushing for Slime. It'll most likely be Erdrick or The Luminary.

 

[Zinith]

Maaaan do I have a bridge to sell you.

If it's a Yoshi-shaped bridge, I'LL BUY IT!!!

 

[Idon]

I want to believe there's 10 characters to join

Believing is fine, but don't pass it off as fact.

 

[Opossum]

I would be really annoyed with Square if its Slime. If nothing else it should at least be Erdrcik

. Also I really doubt its Slime, that character also does not fit Square's patterns. Their guest characters are usually the protagonist of the series, such as Noctis and 2B. The rare exception to this rule is Behemoth in Monster Hunter World, and this is most likely due to the fact that Behemoth fit more in Monster Hunter World. I could be wrong on this, but I really do not see Square pushing for Slime. It'll most likely be Erdrick or The Luminary.

I mean, I just think Slime stands the best chance. Fortune Street sold itself with Mario and Slime together on the cover, after all.

 

[LetterO]

Spoiler

No porky, sylux and rayquaza in wol. Vergeben said minecraft boss...

Yeah we are getting wol expansion updates holy **** O.o

Spoiler

I can see Porky and Rayquaza, but Sylux wouldn't work as a boss. He's about the same size as Samus and that doesn't fit the big bad enemies with huge screen wide attacks like bosses do.

 

[Shroob]

I think what confuses me the most is:

Galleom: Yes
Duon: No ???



Like, they're both kind of generic, but, why one over the other? Is it because of the LOOOOOOOOOORE since Duon is made of Game and Watch or something?

 

[osby]

I think what confuses me the most is:

Galleom: Yes
Duon: No ???



Like, they're both kind of generic, but, why one over the other? Is it because of the LOOOOOOOOOORE since Duon is made of Game and Watch or something?

It's probably because Galleom was a lot more interesting and memorable.

 

[Shroob]

It's probably because Galleom was a lot more interesting and memorable.

I mean...... they're both REALLY forgettable.


That and, I personally always found Duon harder than Galleom.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Duon also feels more like someone you should fight using two characters. Galleom isn't like that.

What I don't get is why the bosses are listed only with arenas. Apparently. Does that mean we have another set of boss data to look through? In the same way as how Ridley was lumped with other stage hazard/full boss data in 4?

 

[dream1ng]

I'm aware of the risk when coming into the thread, but can we keep the unrevealed bosses or lack thereof in spoilers please?

 

[osby]

I mean...... they're both REALLY forgettable.


That and, I personally always found Duon harder than Galleom.

I guess. I just think a boss you fight with two times and tried to take out Lucas and Pokemon Trainer with himself has more going for him.

 

[potato69]

Nintendo ninjas just killed another stream lol. I wonder who the next Smash Ultimate early leaker of questionable smash skill will be.

 

[A.G.L.]

I mean, I just think Slime stands the best chance. Fortune Street sold itself with Mario and Slime together on the cover, after all.

Its very unlikely its Slime out of all the DQ characters. Square as we know is extremely stingy with their things, why would they push for a character that is not even the protagonist? Instead its a random character like a Moogle, I get that Slime is popular. However so are Moogles and yet we got Cloud and not a Moogle. I don't see Square negotiating with Nintendo and giving them Slime, it just would not make sense on their part. And it does not fit Square's past business decisions, they do not push for guest characters that are not the protagonist. Its just not how Square does things, theres a reason we have Noctis in Tekken and not a Cactuar.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Was there gameplay of Snake and Simon's classic modes?

 

[dream1ng]

Its very unlikely its Slime out of all the DQ characters. Square as we know is extremely stingy with their things, why would they push for a character that is not even the protagonist? Instead its a random character like a Moogle, I get that Slime is popular. However so are Moogles and yet we got Cloud and not a Moogle. I don't see Square negotiating with Nintendo and giving them Slime, it just would not make sense on their part. And it does not fit Square's past business decisions, they do not push for guest characters that are not the protagonist. Its just not how Square does things, theres a reason we have Noctis in Tekken and not a Cactuar.

Slime is the face of the series, he promotes it better than most alternatives. It's almost akin to using Pikachu over the Pokemon Trainer. Meanwhile Cloud is the most well-known Final Fantasy character, whereas with DQ it'd be Slime. A protagonist wouldn't be out of the question either, but Slime has solid reasoning behind it too.

Also Slime has crossed over with Mario multiple times before.

 

[LetterO]

Its very unlikely its Slime out of all the DQ characters. Square as we know is extremely stingy with their things, why would they push for a character that is not even the protagonist? Instead its a random character like a Moogle, I get that Slime is popular. However so are Moogles and yet we got Cloud and not a Moogle. I don't see Square negotiating with Nintendo and giving them Slime, it just would not make sense on their part. And it does not fit Square's past business decisions, they do not push for guest characters that are not the protagonist. Its just not how Square does things, theres a reason we have Noctis in Tekken and not a Cactuar.

You know alot about Square's business decisions with DLC so can you please tell me how likely Neku would actually be so I can keep my expectations in check and not be needlessly super hyped for someone who might not even be in?

 

[Shroob]

Verg has more or less quadrupled down on a Square rep, so I'm inclined to believe that "Yes, it's happening".... especially since the last time he went hard on something, we got Incineroar.


But even if we do get something. I'm expecting bare minimum from Square.

 

[osby]

Verg has more or less quadrupled down on a Square rep, so I'm inclined to believe that "Yes, it's happening".... especially since the last time he went hard on something, we got Incineroar.


But even if we do get something. I'm expecting bare minimum from Square.

Won't every fighter pass character get the same stuff?

 

[Shroob]

Won't every fighter pass character get the same stuff?

All we know is that we're getting a character, stage and 'several' music tracks per stage.

They never said exactly how many songs we'd get a stage.

 

[DevaAshera]

-Yoko Shimomura.......lesser known.......

Them's fightin' words.

As much as I love Yoko Shimomura, particularly for Street Fighter II, Super Mario RPG, Mario & Luigi (series), and Kingdom Hearts (series), she is lesser known then Nobuo Uematsu who is up there with Koji Kondo...she is, herself, a big name though, along with the likes of fellow female composer, Michiru Yamane, who did the music for most of the Castlevania series along with most songs in SkullGirls.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Its very unlikely its Slime out of all the DQ characters. Square as we know is extremely stingy with their things, why would they push for a character that is not even the protagonist? Instead its a random character like a Moogle, I get that Slime is popular. However so are Moogles and yet we got Cloud and not a Moogle. I don't see Square negotiating with Nintendo and giving them Slime, it just would not make sense on their part. And it does not fit Square's past business decisions, they do not push for guest characters that are not the protagonist. Its just not how Square does things, theres a reason we have Noctis in Tekken and not a Cactuar.

That isn't why Cloud was chosen. Being a protagonist was meaningless. Being effectively the mascot and most memorable of the franchise is why people wanted him in. Besides, none of the monsters in Final Fantasy have the same mascot status as Slime does. Chocobo and Moogle are important, but Cloud has always trumped them in mascot status. Slime is however vastly more popular than Erdrick, but that's what happens when you're way more known in comparison. Consider the fact that many only know of the first two game outside of Japan. Erdrick doesn't exist outside of lore. Meanwhile, pretty much all know Slime, the actual mascot, who is pushed more than any one Hero(and many of the Heroes aren't notable at all. They're just the player avatar. The kicker is that Slime has his own games. It's also important in the Dragon Quest Monster games, literally being the Pikachu of it. Though unlike Pikachu, it doesn't have this "can't evolve/mate/etc. stuff" going on. Far less situational of a design. But it's not like Slime was based off of a specific version, it's just the first time it had characterization.

Slime is also a protagonist of some games. He's the Pikachu of the series. It makes sense to promote the actual mascot of the series first just as much as a player character. Slime is also more iconic worldwide, making him a very memorable choice. And Square does not only push protagonists as options. Mascots matter too. The noted Mario Hoops 3-on-3 was made by Square-Enix in Japan first. They chose Slime and other general Final Fantasy characters(but not actual protagonists, just generic classes) to work with. In a crossover.

There is no precedent of "player protagonist only" to go off of. They do whatever makes sense. And let's be honest, they're not exactly known for using the actual player characters of DQ over Slime to begin with. Even other monsters have taken precedence. So in the end, it more comes down to what Nintendo wants more. I could see them still saying yes to Erdrick.

 

[dream1ng]

Won't every fighter pass character get the same stuff?

The music will probably be variable. Cloud and Bayo cost the same amount but the latter came with more content.

 

[GoeGoe]

So if Banjo got in, would Kirby's copy ability have Kazooie in it?
Since there's only one Kazooie, that would be stealing not copying