Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[3D Dillon]

Not really, no. Neither Nintendo or Sakurai has to promise you anything. You'll get a full game and they'll develop post-release content for potential later purchases.

"Selecting non-playable characters from the game and adding them as playable fighters just because some fans wanted it" is not one of their obligations.

The problem is people will want more and more SOON. Better put more pressure on Saks.

Osby, call him "Saks" when you respond to this one.

 

[Idon]

"So here's all the reasons your most wanted characters won't become playable."

Five hours later

"But hey, you never know."

 

[osby]

The problem is people will want more and more SOON. Better put more pressure on Saks.

Osby, call him "Saks" when you respond to this one.

Putting pressure on the game developer when he requested for you to not is rude. People WILL get more content. I just don't see what acting greedy and entitled will accomplish, DLC content has been already decided and likely in development.

Sakurai doesn't decide new characters after this and he doesn't need pressure for putting new fighters to the game.

 

[Rummy]

I'm taking the fact that Geno/Mallow being Spirits as a good sign that he could be the Square Character. As well the complete lack of tracks from SMRPG despite Yoko being involved with Smash since Brawl is a indication.

But that's only if Spirits Don't Remove Characters out of the equation which i hope that isn't the case, Elma is a cool character in the making and there's plenty of other spirit characters that have potential.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I'm honestly surprised Nintendo/Sakurai even gave a **** about adding another Square character if they were as difficult to work with as they seem to have been.

Unless it was a caveat of getting Cloud again or a character Nintendo or both parties really wanted in for financial or creative reasons

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

A few questions I have.

1. There are new cutscenes for World of Light right? Multiple ones? That aren't intros for bosses?
2. Are they good character showcases? Or are they generic?
3. Does Snake appear in them?

apart the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

 

[Opossum]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

That's completely false.

 

[Impa4Smash]

A few questions I have.

1. There are new cutscenes for World of Light right? Multiple ones? That aren't intros for bosses?
2. Are they good character showcases? Or are they generic?
3. Does Snake appear in them?

Spoiler

1) There are multiple cutscenes but 2) they are very generic and 3) Snake is not in them only Mario

 

[UberMadman]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

Not true. That's all I'll say.

 

[osby]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

You said it three times now.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

What a weird thing to troll about

 

[Tree Gelbman]

That's completely false.

False information on MY Smashboards?

It's more likely than you think.

 

[MainJPW]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

What’s the matter, buddy? Posting glitch?

 

[UberMadman]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

 

[Impa4Smash]

Apart from the one we saw from the direct there's no new cutscenes

Pls

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Hm.

Seems the game leaked

 

[Idon]

Hm.

Seems the game leaked

You're a bit late on that

 

[LetterO]

BIG NEWS

Spoiler

SIDEWAYS JOYCON CONFIRMED

 

[Idon]

BIG NEWS

Spoiler

SIDEWAYS JOYCON CONFIRMED

Err, I kinda figured that would be obvious.
If the Wii controller could be used, I don't see why the Joycon with more buttons wouldn't

 

[Shroob]

"Man, Verg's backpedaling hard now on Minecraft! Guess he's wrong!...........anyway about the 2nd Square Rep."



This fanbase sometimes, ya'know.

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

That's completely false.

Not true. That's all I'll say.

You said it three times now.

What a weird thing to troll about

What’s the matter, buddy? Posting glitch?

My reply was posted twice due to a glitch. ANYWAY

Spoiler

You call ****ty scenes with galeem and a monster *new* . i meant scenes with the characters there's no new ones

 

[Impa4Smash]

"Man, Verg's backpedaling hard now on Minecraft! Guess he's wrong!...........anyway about the 2nd Square Rep."



This fanbase sometimes, ya'know.

He still got a lot of stuff right. And he's never been wrong before admitting it beforehand. Vergeben is like our floating device in this vast ocean of DLC speculation

 

[Shroob]

He still got a lot of stuff right. And he's never been wrong before admitting it beforehand. Vergeben is like our floating device in this vast ocean of DLC speculation

My point was I kinda find it funny that people who are calling him out as being wrong are then jumping to discussion about the supposed 2nd Square Rep, which the only reason we have any reason to believe is happening, is because of him.

 

[Impa4Smash]

My reply was posted twice due to a glitch. ANYWAY

Spoiler

You call ****ty scenes with galeem and a monster *new* . i meant scenes with the characters there's no new ones

Spoiler

Yes. Even generic ass cutscenes are still technically new cutscenes

My point was I kinda find it funny that people who are calling him out as being wrong are then jumping to discussion about the supposed 2nd Square Rep, which the only reason we have any reason to believe is happening, is because of him.

Ah, yeah I agree. Mistook the point

 

[vaanrose]

Whether a game is a first party, third party, or second party has literally zero to do with the consumers. WE the consumers do not make the game we have zero involvement with the people who are part of the business side of things when it comes to games. The whole first, second, and third party terminology is an industry categorization for where a game stands in terms of rights between companies and company relations to certain games. WE the consumer have absolutely nothing to do with that we are separate from that side of the gaming market. Pokemon is a second party IP not a first party IP, Nintendo does not own a single thing in that franchise, everything belongs to Game Freak legally BUT they have a DEAL. With Game Freak to have the Pokemon games be exclusive to Nintendo hardware. It's the exact same concept with Geno, Geno is not owned by Nintendo but his character is a Nintendo exclusive character so he is by definition a second party. I have no idea how that's such a hard concept to understand it's literally common ****ing sense.

You're wrong.

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We don't have to rely on "common sense" when this stuff is quite easy to look up.

 

[Deleted member]

BIG NEWS

Spoiler

SIDEWAYS JOYCON CONFIRMED

I mean, yeah, you could do that....

It's like when you have alternative options and you pick the sideways Wii Remote. :V

 

[Opossum]

My reply was posted twice due to a glitch. ANYWAY

Spoiler

You call ****ty scenes with galeem and a monster *new* . i meant scenes with the characters there's no new ones

You not liking the cutscenes doesn't mean they don't exist. Sakurai outright said not to expect another SSE.

 

[osby]

Personally, I'd be happy if cutscenes are half as good as the opening one.

 

[Shroob]

I will say though, while I think the WoL map and idea actually is REALLY nice.... the cutscenes ain't it.

Spoiler

I find them really boring. Visually beautiful, but boring. The idea of giving Darz the Crazy Hands is cute, but at the end of it, it's literally just two Eldritch gods having a ***** slapping contest, and there's no 'choice' involved depending on which one wins, meaning the only option for a good ending is killing both............ so basically it's the neutral path in every Shin Megami Tensei game ever.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Anyways, Kass's theme is good. I always liked hearing it in BotW, so that was a nice surprise

 

[Opossum]

Spoiler

1) There are multiple cutscenes but 2) they are very generic and 3) Snake is not in them only Mario

On number three, that's actually a bit off.

Spoiler

are all seen.
RIP my boy . He's the only one of the opening voiced quartet not to reappear.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Anyways, Kass's theme is good. I always liked hearing it in BotW, so that was a nice surprise

Well it's Kass. Would you expect any less?

 

[Royalty1702]

Geno being the SE rep debunks the "spirits deconfirms characters" idea, so I really hope that's the case.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Geno isn't the SE rep.

I'll say this as many times as it takes.

 

[Shroob]

Also, has anyone found

Spoiler: Boss

Tabuu and Master Core?

It seems weird they have a profile icon and an entry as a boss?(Unsure about this), yet nothing on him soo far.

 

[Abha]

The SE rep is Smithy, notice how he isn't a spirit? Basically confirmed

 

[Opossum]

Geno isn't the SE rep.

Seriously, trust me on this one.

I'm banking on Slime, but hoping for Sora, even if he isn't really Square Enix.

 

[Akg0001]

Spoiler

No porky, sylux and rayquaza in wol. Vergeben said minecraft boss...

Yeah we are getting wol expansion updates holy **** O.o

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm banking on Slime, but hoping for Sora, even if he isn't really Square Enix.

Slime ain't it either. Erdrick's where it's at.

tbh I'm hoping for Sora or Crono though.

 

[Michele]

Umm, hello. I'm back, and I think I realized something a bit shocking about unlocking character. It's not how to unlock, it's the way asides from Spirits mode that shocked me. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77235436

I'm putting it on spoilers. Am I doing it right?

Spoiler: Spoilers: Unlocking characters

In summary:
The rumor about Amiibo MIGHT have been debunked. Amiibo might NOT unlock characters.

Someone unlocked Ness in 2 battles, but there is debate on if Zelda can be unlocked in 4 battles. Then, something very odd happened: he had to challenge against Bowser to unlock him, but failed the challenge, and he hasn't had any 'rematch' pop up. Using Samus doesn't seem to get anyone unlocked.
The user tried her on Classic mode and unlocked Inkling, but as he was writing it, the prompt popped up saying he could rematch against him.
It has already been confirmed earlier, but World of Light does unlock characters for use in other modes too.

But then the fun begins. Someone claimed that on livestream, someone unlocked Bowser through Squad Strike, which is very odd if you ask me, as TC said he unlocked Bayonetta. Someone also unlocked K. Rool by clearing Classic Mode as Link, and then beating the Classic Mode in 9.2 as the unlocked character also unlocked Ice Climbers. But the users haven't currently found out how to unlock Wolf or Ryu.

Beating Classic Mode with Ness unlocks Jigglypuff. And on the 82nd post is shocking, the guy says: 'Challenger's Approach apparently doesn't always reflect who you lost to - guy lost to Jigglypuff, went there, and is now fighting Pit.' So, someone lost to Jigglypuff, redone the Classic Mode, and is now fighting against Pit? This is very interesting. At this point, it's not clear whenever unlocking characters are random yet, but it was said the second source unlocked K. Rool and Jigglypuff in same way as first source.

PurpleMadness beating Classic with Kirby unlocked Pac-Man, and at a point he also unlocked Captain Falcon. Shocking revealation: beating with Falcon unlocked ZSS, so ship confirmed

There is still a lot of speculation on Cloud in World of Smash - they're claiming that Cloud is not in World of Smash. If this is true, this is going too far: sure, SE is stingy, but not allowing Cloud in the adventure mode is going beyond. I don't like this rumor at all...
Someone is claiming that you unlock him after clearing the Adventure Mode, though it's just all 100% rumor.

Beating Classic Mode with Pikachu unlocks Villager. TC saw how the method works and is trying to hurry to unlock characters. Someone else said Ice Climbers unlocked Simon. Then someone else claimed that Fox was used to unlock Captain Falcon. You can unlock Miis by just making them, lol.

On page 4 (for me, it's set to 50 comments/messages per page), there are new informations. You unlock Pit with 10 battles, Inkling through 12 battles or Samus Classic Mode. Beating Classic Mode with Mario unlocks Sonic (Oh my god) and Yoshi unlocks Lucario. Furry time?
Some agruement of which has no sense.

Once again, new information, in a new stream. Inkling unlocks Incineroar. Guy has seen the streamer unlock Ryu through about 50+ matches, but has no idea nor about this nor how did the streamer unlock Peach/Wii Fit Trainer.

A lot of new information surfaces again; Bayonetta can also be unlocked through Mario, as long as he unlocks Sonic first. She also unlocks Luigi. Little Mac can be unlocked through Sonic. Ryu, Ike, Puff and possibly Y. Link, WFT and Peach can be unlocked via VS. matches too, but the guy has no idea if it's true or how many matches involved. Last update, which is currently the latest one: Young Link unlocks Richter..

Phew, that was a information wall. That's all the list there is currently to.