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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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I have been thinking, if people are very sure that BOTW and Mario Odyssey will surely get some form of representation, would the same people think Xenoblade 2 will be getting a form of representation in Smash Switch too?

Kinda gets me to think that Sakurai has thought of candidates from 2017 Nintendo games to as far as end of 2017 as a result.
XB2 I can see happening. Whether that's as a character, a stage, or just trophies.

ARMS on the other hand i'm really questioning. Not ruling out the idea but I don't think it made the roster. At least for the base game.
 

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These are the top contenders for each series. Not including veterans.

Mario: Captain Toad, Daisy, Paper Mario, Waluigi
Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool
Zelda: Daruk, Impa, Mipha, Revali, Urbosa
Metroid: Dark Samus, Ridley, Sylux
Kid Icarus: None
Fire Emblem: Alm, Celica, Lyn
Kirby: Bandana Dee, Marx
Star Fox: Krystal, Wolf
Pokemon: Decidueye, Lycanroc, Mimikyu
Earthbound: None
F-Zero: None
Animal Crossing: Isabelle, Tom Nook
Pikmin: None
Wii: None
Xenoblade: Cross (Rook), Elma, Rex & Pyra
Only contenders I see happening from existing universes

Super Mario
  • Captain Toad
  • Paper Mario
Donkey Kong
  • Cranky Kong
  • Funky Kong (easy to make with DK source material and popular)
  • Dixie Kong (easy to make with Diddy source material and popular)
  • King K. Rool (only because of the ballot/popular)
The Legend of Zelda
  • Toon Zelda (Spirit Tracks)
  • Tetra
  • Impa
  • Skull Kid
Metroid
  • Sylux (Only as a result of requests. It happened with Wolf)
Fire Emblem
  • Someone from FE16
  • Lyn (only if her ballot backing is strong)
  • Leif (as a costume of Marth)
Kid Icarus
  • N/A
Kirby
  • Waddle Dee (only if requests are truly overwhelming)
  • Marx
Star Fox
  • Wolf O'Donnell
  • Andross
Pokemon
  • Zeraora
  • Poipole
  • Decidueye
EarthBound
  • Ninten (as a costume. a clone if Sakurai is truly generous)
F-Zero
  • Samurai Goroh (if time for extra characters)
Animal Crossing
  • Isabelle
Pikmin
  • Alph
Xenoblade
  • Rex & Pyra
Retros
  • Balloon Fighter
  • Excitebike
  • Takamaru
Third-Parties
  • Bomberman
  • Simon Belmont
  • Terra Branford
  • Shovel Knight
As for third parties, popularity is a big factor, and I don't have access to the ballot results so who knows?
 
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The winner was a tied between MegaMan.EXE and Bass.EXE, which make sense as the two are very popular. Roll and Protoman's Navi counterparts weren't as popular.

Next up will be a Mega Man Zero series poll, and off course I will used a certain version of a certain fan favorite. Your choices are Sage Harpuia, Fairy Leviathan, Mega Man Zero (The Zero version of Zero), and of course Dr Wiel.

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I have to wonder how we would be getting someone from Mega Man Zero that isn't Zero, honestly.

Although I've never played any of the Zero games so I have no idea if anyone is more important than them, I've only played the main series and the first X game (going to play X2 eventually... once I stop procrastinating.)

I mean you don't have to have to be a wise old sage to point out when something is blatantly stupid.


The issue I raised with Nintendog was him being a realistic dog which raises animal abuse controversy, unlike a cartoon dog. Also it's not a character. An animal is not a Nintendo character just because you put the word Ninten in front of it.


So Sakurai is playing it safe because he doesn't shoe horn in a bunch of insanely moronic fighters that are nothing more than real life animals just for the sake of being edgy? Are you out of your mind? Well, I guess that's the point you're trying to make. Being out of your mind makes your roster interesting.


1. Dr. Kawashima is a real person.
2. I could say that about anything: "Nobody was expecting Wii Fit Trainer. So the guy who milks cows in 1, 2, Switch makes perfect sense!"

Wii Fit Trainer was obvious. But, people are always so busy talking about King K. Rool, that they didn't even think about someone who was actually from a well selling and relevant franchise. They were so obsessed with Paper Mario that they couldn't even see how insanely popular Rosalina was as a Mario character.

You think I'm being closed minded? The fact that you couldn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming makes you just as closed minded as me and anyone else in the fanbase. And all of us should be ashamed that we didn't even consider someone like Wii Fit Trainer. Difference is, I don't turn around and say "Hey, guys! Check out my wacky character ideas that don't make any sense! It's the guy who milks cows from 1, 2, Switch! You guys didn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming so this basically the same as that! See, I'm open minded! Unlike you! I think outside the box!"

Like really. Your whole argument is: "Nobody saw this thing that made total sense coming. Therefore this thing that doesn't make sense actually DOES make sense, because you didn't see it coming."
I have to be honest, and I don't mean this as an insult, but I believe you have a bit of a tendency to be just a little bit too hostile towards others on here.. I've seen it in a few posts from you now.

I don't think it's very right (at least not very polite) to be calling others close-minded (I believe it is possible you may have misinterpreted them as calling you close minded which I feel was definitely not the case from reading their post) or that their ideas are stupid, even if you disagree with them, or in a hypothetically situation that they're blatantly incorrect.
 
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As someone who's only played like two Mega Man games, this poll is basically just a bunch of "Literally Who?"s to me. :p
The Zero series does have its own characters, just that not many people cared about them. Dr Wiel is the main villain and two are the Four Sages (Harpuia and Lavianthan).

In fact, I think the Zero games were very very underrated. To the point, where people only know about them because those were Zero's own games.
 

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  • Terra Branford
As for third parties, popularity is a big factor, and I don't have access to the ballot results so who knows?
I had no idea who this was, so I'm gonna say she's not big enough for a TP rep, haha

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My Arbitrary List of Candidates (not necessarily likely, just characters that could fit the bill of playable):

Mario
  • Captain Toad / Toad
  • Waluigi
  • Paper Mario
DK
  • Dixie Kong
  • King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda
  • Impa
  • Skull Kid
  • Alt version of existing rep (Toon Zelda, Beast Ganon, etc)
Metroid
  • Ridley
  • Dark Samus
Fire Emblem
  • Someone from FE16
  • Lyn / Micaiah / Celia / etc
Kid Icarus
  • One of the villains I suppose
Kirby
  • Waddle Dee
  • Marx
Star Fox
  • Wolf O'Donnell
  • Slippy
Pokemon
  • Decidueye / random Gen 7 surprise
EarthBound
  • Giygas / Porky
F-Zero
  • Gorah / Shadow
Animal Crossing
  • Isabelle
Pikmin
  • Alph (maybe as a semi-clone)
Xenoblade
  • Elma
  • Rex & Pyra
Retro
  • Takamaru
  • Mach Rider
  • Excitebike
 
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I have to be honest, and I don't mean this as an insult, but I believe you have a bit of a tendency to be just a little bit too hostile towards others on here.. I've seen it in a few posts from you now.

I don't think it's very right (at least not very polite) to be calling others close-minded (I believe it is possible you may have misinterpreted them as calling you close minded which I feel was definitely not the case from reading their post) or that their ideas are stupid, even if you disagree with them, or in a hypothetically situation that they're blatantly incorrect.
You have a higher tolerance for dealing with stuff like this. Congratulations. I on the other hand have dealt with hearing the same arguments too many times. It's kind of hard to treat an idea with respect when it's infuriatingly fallacy ridding.

I have a low tolerance for people who distort and assume my own position as well as say things that are blatantly illogical. If it goes too far then that's the moderators job to address that.

So I'm gonna keep being me and trying not to get in trouble and you keep being you.
 

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The Mega Man Zero games are the Dark Souls of Mega Man.

So hard that people would be lucky to reach the end of it.
 

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The winner was a tied between MegaMan.EXE and Bass.EXE, which make sense as the two are very popular. Roll and Protoman's Navi counterparts weren't as popular.

Next up will be a Mega Man Zero series poll, and off course I will used a certain version of a certain fan favorite. Your choices are Sage Harpuia, Fairy Leviathan, Mega Man Zero (The Zero version of Zero), and of course Dr Wiel.

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Friendly reminder that Mega Man Zero is the pinnacle of storytelling in Mega Man.

I voted for Zero, if I'm being honest. I love the selected Guardians and Dr. Weil, but I'd love to see Mega Man Zero get more spotlight as a playable character since he's got a whole bunch of unique stuff that his counterpart in Mega Man X doesn't have; specifically in terms of weapons, elemental chips and his use of Cyber Elves.
 
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>Anyone who isn't Decidueye is "random".
>Anyone who isn't Decidueye would be a "surprise".

I died a little inside....
I meant it more so that Decidueye is the face of Gen 7 predictions around here, but it really could be anyone.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Decidueye (he was the only starter I liked in Gen 7), but there are 100's of neat designs to choose from, so I just hope they go with something that's not "bipedal animal with a cool attitude" :p
 

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I hope that if we get Decidueye, we also get another Pokemon added. Decidueye just kinda feels like the far-too-obvious character that everyone saw coming from a mile away because it's the new "cool" starter that also happens to complete the starter type trio. I'd rather they go outside the box a bit and add something a little out of the ordinary like Mimikyu, Lycanroc.
 
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I mean you don't have to have to be a wise old sage to point out when something is blatantly stupid.


The issue I raised with Nintendog was him being a realistic dog which raises animal abuse controversy, unlike a cartoon dog. Also it's not a character. An animal is not a Nintendo character just because you put the word Ninten in front of it.


So Sakurai is playing it safe because he doesn't shoe horn in a bunch of insanely moronic fighters that are nothing more than real life animals just for the sake of being edgy? Are you out of your mind? Well, I guess that's the point you're trying to make. Being out of your mind makes your roster interesting.


1. Dr. Kawashima is a real person.
2. I could say that about anything: "Nobody was expecting Wii Fit Trainer. So the guy who milks cows in 1, 2, Switch makes perfect sense!"

Wii Fit Trainer was obvious. But, people are always so busy talking about King K. Rool, that they didn't even think about someone who was actually from a well selling and relevant franchise. They were so obsessed with Paper Mario that they couldn't even see how insanely popular Rosalina was as a Mario character.

You think I'm being closed minded? The fact that you couldn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming makes you just as closed minded as me and anyone else in the fanbase. And all of us should be ashamed that we didn't even consider someone like Wii Fit Trainer. Difference is, I don't turn around and say "Hey, guys! Check out my wacky character ideas that don't make any sense! It's the guy who milks cows from 1, 2, Switch! You guys didn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming so this basically the same as that! See, I'm open minded! Unlike you! I think outside the box!"

Like really. Your whole argument is: "Nobody saw this thing that made total sense coming. Therefore this thing that doesn't make sense actually DOES make sense, because you didn't see it coming."
Well, for someone who wrote a lot of things wrong and misunderstood what I said, you're a bit overconfident...
I will not drag this long, since this type of thing seems to be what prevents us for having a Leaks forum.
  • While Wii Fit Trainer was really not speculated before being showed, Rosalina was... a lot. Top3 most supported Mario character in pre-Smash4 era. Where were you ?
  • I don't think Sakurai plays safe with Smash. And I think R.O.B, G&W, Shulk, Cloud are good examples. What I tried to say is that he made a lot of things work as a character, even when their character was not well defined before.
  • A Nintendog could be cartoonized as much as the Duck Hunt Dog in the transition to a Smash Bros game. Duck Hunt Dog is just a common dog in "Duck Hunt". I understand that DHD have more character than the dogs from the former game, but Sakurai could avoid the animal abuse controversy if he works them as characters. What makes you don't see anyone mad about Mickey or Scooby-doo is because they're not realistic animals... and about that, DHD is a common dog. It's all in the cartoon style, moveset/attitude and duck gimmick. Remove the dog and show a picture of DHD to anyone who does not play Smash and they will not say "Oh, it' the famous Duck Hunt Dog".
I will repeat myself, I don't think Nintendogs are a good idea. I was just defending BluePickmin roster and you used them to make fun of his picks.
 
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As someone who has played both the X and Zero series, I'd prefer MMX Zero, but I wouldn't be opposed to the MMZ version either. I can see Sakurai making the latter pretty unique if he, against all odds, were chosen over the former.

But yeah, most fans are more familiar with the X series version, and it's been the go-to design for pretty much every crossover he's been in for the past while.
 

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Outside of King K.Rool, and possibly Ridley, what are some possible heavy weight newcomers? ARMS Fighters seem like a possibility, but outside of that am not really sure.
We could get Daruk, but the idea of getting a Champion seems like a taboo idea around these parts.

Doesn't mean he wouldn't be cool though...

I hope that if we get Decidueye, we also get another Pokemon added. Decidueye just kinda feels like the far-too-obvious character that everyone saw coming from a mile away because it's the new "cool" starter that also happens to complete the starter type trio. I'd rather they go outside the box a bit and add something a little out of the ordinary like Mimikyu, Lycanroc.
Starters in general are just so obvious. If Sakurai is determined to add a third starter to the roster (technically four, including Pikachu), then I'd gladly welcome the idea of a second Pokémon rep. Prefer Lycanroc or Mimikyu, but I won't complain so long as the Pokémon Sakurai chooses is at least popular among the fans.
 

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I hope that if we get Decidueye, we also get another Pokemon added. Decidueye just kinda feels like the far-too-obvious character that everyone saw coming from a mile away because it's the new "cool" starter that also happens to complete the starter type trio. I'd rather they go outside the box a bit and add something a little out of the ordinary like Mimikyu, Lycanroc.
Well, you can’t go wrong with Meowth (and his Alolan alternate costume). :awesome: :052:
 

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Good evening everybody! I just wanted to comment on a few things. Also, I may use roster maker and literally just make a grouping of potential newcomers.

Alright, here we go:

1) Nintendog is not going to happen. It's better off as a stage, and given the fact that it's a literal dog, Nintendo could get into some crap for that. That would receive coverage. Newer games coming out have been targeted for other big issues (Detroit: Become Human for using child abuse or "glorifying" it or something). If you use Nintendog, you're pretty much asking for it.

I would also feel very uncomfortable grabbing a dog as Mario and swinging it around. No thank you.

Also, I'm not entirely sure that putting Dr. Kawashima would work. Sure, it's a cartoon version of a person, but he's also a floating head. If they are planning on putting a real person in, I firmly believe it would be advertised as a Mii Fighter. I honestly believe they would not add Kawashima on these grounds. You may disagree and that's fine. But I simply don't see it happening.

2) I think Elma would be pretty fun. I will admit, I owned XCX but never played it because my friend told me about the soundtrack. I also watched videos making fun of the worse songs from that game. Oy. More than anything, I would love to see what she actually does in-game.

HOWEVER...

How is it, exactly, that we can be expecting content from Super Mario Odyssey and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild but not Xenoblade Chronicles 2? That doesn't make any sense. This is where I think we all need to take a deep breath and realize there's more to this character selection stuff than "what's popular" at the time of roster selection. This takes me to #3.

3) Sakurai, when picking the roster would, logically, not only think about what is popular at the time of roster selection. He would (at least I would think) think ahead to what would be more relevant around the time of release of the game itself. Based on what I've read, Xenoblade 2 started development in 2014, which would be 2 years prior to the selection of the roster. Xenoblade X released in 2015.

If you ask me, this suggests the possibility that Sakurai visited Monolith Soft and examined his options. At this point, there would have already been fanbase complaints about the change in direction of XCX, but this may be a negligible detail. Regardless, Sakurai likely saw stuff for Elma AND Rex.

I would say Elma has an edge over Rex+Pyra as far as unique abilities, given the fact that she uses an entirely different weapon from Shulk and Rex. Although I don't really know, because Rex probably wouldn't fight like Shulk at all, or any other sword fighter for that matter. Would this put Elma in over Rex+Pyra? I'm not so sure.

4) The Pokemon choice may not be obvious, but I don't think it's really that wide open. Every character we've gotten is either a hyper popular Pokemon, or has been a focus of either the games or anime. While I realize Greninja was a very different case in that he was chosen as the "X/Y" character, I do believe Game Freak/The Pokemon Company probably gave them a few different concept arts of suggested choices. I do not believe they gave him entirely free reign over what he picked. I don't think it was that Sakurai was at their mercy persay, but I really, really don't think they just let him choose out of however many new ones there were.

In addition, we've been playing in Alola since November 2016, and just got Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon this past Fall, 2017. If the roster was decided early on in development (or Summer-Fall 2016) what would Game Freak have told him? Alola is the focus for the next two installments, timing would be roughly at least a year and a half.

If we reference the amount of time between Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Sun/Moon, it was a two year difference. OR/AS is the midway game (so the Gen 6 US/UM). If that is the case, we can estimate the release date of Generation 8 (which we know nothing about, by the way) would be in 2019, at least a year after Smash Switch comes out. Based on this, I believe we can logically assume that we will not get a Gen 8 Pokemon character in the base game. I will firmly put my guess at 0%, but will gladly change it if we get a surprise reveal at E3 this year (in which case I would probably **** my pants and gladly be wrong).

5) Not about characters, but I think some of my dudes here need to relax. Dudes, it's a video game. It's fun to talk about, and even more fun to play. Don't let "predicting the roster selection!" take over your lives, it really doesn't matter anyway. No one in this community will hail you as a god if you get it right. Most people will probably be like me and fade away to play the game once it comes out.

Enjoy yourselves, and remember what brings us here is the love of the game! (AT LEAST I THINK!) :awesome:
 
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Since Smash5 was announced I always supported that Captain Toad was better than "Toad" as a newcomer.
But I'm starting to feel the other way. With Toad as a character the moveset potential goes much higher.
It solves the "can't jump" problem too. I like Toad... I think C.Toad is the stylish version, but Toad is cool enough.
Also Toad is playable in a lot of stuff, even main games, from Super Mario Bros 2 to New Super Mario Bros Wii(and U) and Super Mario 3D World. Peach's neutral B could turn into something of "Super Princess Peach".
Still wanting to see the captain, but I think "Toad" is a better option to Smash right now.
 

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Since Smash5 was announced I always supported that Captain Toad was better than "Toad" as a newcomer.
But I'm starting to feel the other way. With Toad as a character the moveset potential goes much higher.
It solves the "can't jump" problem too. I like Toad... I think C.Toad is the stylish version, but Toad is cool enough.
Also Toad is playable in a lot of stuff, even main games, from Super Mario Bros 2 to New Super Mario Bros Wii(and U) and Super Mario 3D World. Peach's neutral B could turn into something of "Super Princess Peach".
Still wanting to see the captain, but I think "Toad" is a better option to Smash right now.
Why not have both Toad and Captain Toad?

If one of them gets in, the other is an alternate costume along with Toadette, Toadsworth, and the Toad Brigade.
 

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Why not have both Toad and Captain Toad?

If one of them gets in, the other is an alternate costume along with Toadette, Toadsworth, and the Toad Brigade.
Are you supporting that C.Toad be a costume to Toad ? Well... it would be weird to see Captain doing common double jumps.
I'd rather to Toad use/invoke the Captain persona into some moves. And yest about the alternate costume, there's any other color to C.Toad or just red ? I dropped the first game in one of the last chapters because of other games (it was fun) but the story seemed to be... simple. It's just the red one, right ? If invoking the Captain persona in some moves be a thing, every alt should captain themselves.
 
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Something I just thought about...there are particular 3rd party choices I've seen that simply don't stack up to who we have.

No offense to Layton fans, but Professor Layton doesn't really stack up to characters like Cloud or Ryu. There's something about the 3rd parties that seems...timeless, right?

Like, no matter how old these characters get they're always going to be gaming icons. It doesn't matter how many Final Fantasy games come out. Cloud will always be the most loved character from arguably the most loved game in the series. Ryu is to many "the Street Fighter guy", he's pretty recognizable. The first 3 3rd parties are self-explanatory.

In addition, I remember somebody posted a quote about Cloud being picked as a "fan request" from the ballot. If that's the case, how might that affect his chances of coming back? If Bayonetta got picked as another popular option form the ballot and many consider her a shoe-in, not only because of being Nintendo exclusive right now, but because she was fan selected, would the same logic not apply to Cloud in this case?

Yeah, there's another company involved and Square Enix isn't SEGA. But I would say that's something that would work in Cloud's favor. He got in based on sheer fan demand. Really crazy to think about.
 
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In terms of the Zelda Champions, I would have thought Daruk to be a more popular choice for Sakurai because that Goron design has been around since OoT and is super recognisable.

For a Pokemon rep, I am really on board with Mimikyu but the more I think about it the more I think it'd be awesome to have Dusk Lycanroc as a quick, four-legged, powerful rock pooch.
 

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So I was browsing around interwebs and something reminded me of a Mother Brain concept for Smash Bros. This ended up leading me to the same guy's concept of a 150 character roster:


Of course with a roster size that big there's only so many ideas you can have, but some of these ideas are super creative and taken right out of left field. Pretty cool (at least for me) to see ideas like this.
 

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IMO Professor Layton is one of the most iconic gaming characters from Level-5, whose Japanese company has gained primetime reputation thanks to the success of Yo-kai Watch and Professor Layton. Layton might not carry the same degree of recognizability as someone like Ryu, but he still is VERY recognizable to a wide casual audience nonetheless (Especially in Europe) thanks to his impact during the DS era. As long as the character carries some degree of game history (Which Layton has, 10+ years worth of games, from Curious Village [2007] to Layton's Mystery Journey [2017]), then I think the character is qualifiable to be in a game like Smash.
 
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So I was browsing around interwebs and something reminded me of a Mother Brain concept for Smash Bros. This ended up leading me to the same guy's concept of a 150 character roster:


Of course with a roster size that big there's only so many ideas you can have, but some of these ideas are super creative and taken right out of left field. Pretty cool (at least for me) to see ideas like this.
Two things here stand out to me:

One, there are two separate characters named "Wolf."

Two, holy cow how much do I love the idea of Monita the Monitor in Smash. Exceptional A++ meme pick I'd be so happy.
 

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These are the top contenders for each series. Not including veterans.

Mario: Captain Toad, Daisy, Paper Mario, Waluigi
Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool
Zelda: Daruk, Impa, Mipha, Revali, Urbosa
Metroid: Dark Samus, Ridley, Sylux
Kid Icarus: None
Fire Emblem: Alm, Celica, Lyn
Kirby: Bandana Dee, Marx
Star Fox: Krystal, Wolf
Pokemon: Decidueye, Lycanroc, Mimikyu
Earthbound: None
F-Zero: None
Animal Crossing: Isabelle, Tom Nook
Pikmin: None
Wii: None
Xenoblade: Cross (Rook), Elma, Rex & Pyra
Two things:
1) I think we can consider a character like Viridi or Hades for Kid Icarus. They're very popular and Viridi had lots of attention devoted to her in Smash 4.
2) I never considered Cross as a viable character, but does he have a default and iconic look that'd work like with Elma?
 

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So I was browsing around interwebs and something reminded me of a Mother Brain concept for Smash Bros. This ended up leading me to the same guy's concept of a 150 character roster:


Of course with a roster size that big there's only so many ideas you can have, but some of these ideas are super creative and taken right out of left field. Pretty cool (at least for me) to see ideas like this.
I will never understand what the deal with Gryll is.

Also, Lyn makes sense given that she's second only to Ike in popularity according to the Heroes poll, but I still feel that the FE Switch main character would be a more likely candidate than her. And given that we have a surplus of Fire Emblem characters already, I doubt they'll do both. I'm totally down for 8 FE characters, but I don't think it'd go well with a considerable amount of people. And I really, really don't wanna see cuts to FE representation. Except for maybe Lucina, although my inner fanboy would still hate to see her go. I'm gonna say FE Switch newcomer before Lyn.

Other than that, interesting picks. 10/10 roster.
 
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So I was browsing around interwebs and something reminded me of a Mother Brain concept for Smash Bros. This ended up leading me to the same guy's concept of a 150 character roster:


Of course with a roster size that big there's only so many ideas you can have, but some of these ideas are super creative and taken right out of left field. Pretty cool (at least for me) to see ideas like this.
If nothing else, I love the art style. Also a reminder of some of the viable character picks that never get discussed.
 

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I mean you don't have to have to be a wise old sage to point out when something is blatantly stupid.


The issue I raised with Nintendog was him being a realistic dog which raises animal abuse controversy, unlike a cartoon dog. Also it's not a character. An animal is not a Nintendo character just because you put the word Ninten in front of it.


So Sakurai is playing it safe because he doesn't shoe horn in a bunch of insanely moronic fighters that are nothing more than real life animals just for the sake of being edgy? Are you out of your mind? Well, I guess that's the point you're trying to make. Being out of your mind makes your roster interesting.


1. Dr. Kawashima is a real person.
2. I could say that about anything: "Nobody was expecting Wii Fit Trainer. So the guy who milks cows in 1, 2, Switch makes perfect sense!"

Wii Fit Trainer was obvious. But, people are always so busy talking about King K. Rool, that they didn't even think about someone who was actually from a well selling and relevant franchise. They were so obsessed with Paper Mario that they couldn't even see how insanely popular Rosalina was as a Mario character.

You think I'm being closed minded? The fact that you couldn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming makes you just as closed minded as me and anyone else in the fanbase. And all of us should be ashamed that we didn't even consider someone like Wii Fit Trainer. Difference is, I don't turn around and say "Hey, guys! Check out my wacky character ideas that don't make any sense! It's the guy who milks cows from 1, 2, Switch! You guys didn't see Wii Fit Trainer coming so this basically the same as that! See, I'm open minded! Unlike you! I think outside the box!"

Like really. Your whole argument is: "Nobody saw this thing that made total sense coming. Therefore this thing that doesn't make sense actually DOES make sense, because you didn't see it coming."
I think calling some suggestions "moronic" is a little harsh, but you do bring up some good points. I think a Nintendog, while iconic, is way too realistic to have on the roster. At least Duck Hunt Dog was a cartoon dog, so seeing him get beat up is the same as watching Tom and Jerry beat themselves up.
 

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Since Smash5 was announced I always supported that Captain Toad was better than "Toad" as a newcomer.
But I'm starting to feel the other way. With Toad as a character the moveset potential goes much higher.
It solves the "can't jump" problem too. I like Toad... I think C.Toad is the stylish version, but Toad is cool enough.
Also Toad is playable in a lot of stuff, even main games, from Super Mario Bros 2 to New Super Mario Bros Wii(and U) and Super Mario 3D World. Peach's neutral B could turn into something of "Super Princess Peach".
Still wanting to see the captain, but I think "Toad" is a better option to Smash right now.
Or, we could have what Sakurai should've probably done in Brawl at the earliest: replace Generic Toad #78934 that Peach pulls out of nowhere to protect her with Toadsworth. He's supposed to be her advisor/unofficial bodyguard for crying out loud and makes more sense than some random Toad.
 

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Or, we could have what Sakurai should've probably done in Brawl at the earliest: replace Generic Toad #78934 that Peach pulls out of nowhere to protect her with Toadsworth. He's supposed to be her advisor/unofficial bodyguard for crying out loud and makes more sense than some random Toad.
Maybe the Toad she pulls out is actually different every time because they die when they get hit. They spew that nasty stuff everywhere which might be their otherworldly blood... Maybe Toadsworth has already died.
 

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Two things:
1) I think we can consider a character like Viridi or Hades for Kid Icarus. They're very popular and Viridi had lots of attention devoted to her in Smash 4. I don't doubt that they're both popular characters. I just don't see them as likely candidates since their last appearance was over 6 years ago.
2) I never considered Cross as a viable character, but does he have a default and iconic look that'd work like with Elma? Rook actually has two default official artwork like Elma and the other main characters. Below is the default version of male and female Rook.


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So I was browsing around interwebs and something reminded me of a Mother Brain concept for Smash Bros. This ended up leading me to the same guy's concept of a 150 character roster:


Of course with a roster size that big there's only so many ideas you can have, but some of these ideas are super creative and taken right out of left field. Pretty cool (at least for me) to see ideas like this.
150 characters and still no golden sun rep?!





I’ve lost faith in this world...
 

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Professor Layton is another third party akin to Bayonetta imo.

He's not supremely iconic to anyone outside of Nintendo die-hards, but oh boy is he popular with the Nintendo crowd. He also just like her has a history with Nintendo. Even more than she does actually.
 

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Professor Layton is another third party akin to Bayonetta imo.

He's not supremely iconic to anyone outside of Nintendo die-hards, but oh boy is he popular with the Nintendo crowd. He also just like her has a history with Nintendo. Even more than she does actually.
I do not know too much about the Layton series, but if he were to get in would it make sense to include Lady Layton as half of his palette swaps like Robin, Wii Fit Trainer and Corrin?
 
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