Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[osby]

Oh **** guys, Enzo is confirmed as a playable fighter in the base roster along with Groose!

About damn time. We need more short Italian men with hats reps.

 

[Dee Dude]

An assist meter where you get to pick any of the ATs and that character you chose can pop up when your meter is full?

God, I'd love that, it'd make them slightly more bearable if you're still salty about your most wanted.

 

[CroonerMike]

I asked if i could post these messages here.

She said yes , no problem.

But you also realize she’s a massive liar.

 

[Will]

But you also realize she’s a massive liar.

Liar or not, are you as a chad as Graizen for just casually approaching them for answers?

 

[Knight Dude]

If an FFX rep gets in, it has to be Grand Wizard Wakkka

His Final Smash is the Final Solution Act 2: Al Bhed Breaker. In Which the rain of Blitzballs will "cleanse the gene pool" as Wakka would put it.

So Rayman was found as a spirit, how do we feel about that?

Same as Shantae. It's pretty neat. Though I don't know if it'll amount to anything or leave him out of the running.

 

[TheYungLink]

I just want to add that as a Wario Land fan, I'm very appreciative that we got so many Wario spirits that aren't solely from WarioWare this time. I love WarioWare but it never felt right to me that we never got a single trophy in either Brawl or Smash 4 that referenced Wario Land / World / Master of Disguise. I was anxious about it for Ultimate as well because the Flashback for Wario merely promoted WarioWare Gold, but I'm do glad that's not the case.

 

[Knight Dude]

Not necessarily.
Them talking ABOUT Cloud shouldn't be too difficult.

Just don't mention other characters by name.

"Snake, that's Cloud. He comes from Midgar, and helps [REDACTED] in fighting Shinra. His nemesis is [REDACTED] Because [REDACTED] killed [REDACTED] in front of Cloud's eyes."

 

[Will]

Rayman?
Shantae?

there's no sans spirit so i'm utterly disappointed and i assume japan follows suit

 

[RyuhoFox]

Rayman?
Shantae?

there's no sans spirit so i'm utterly disappointed and i assume japan follows suit

There's no Sans spirit because he will be DLC. Prove me wrong internet.

 

[osby]

There's no Sans spirit because he will be DLC. Prove me wrong internet.

He's already in the game, look at Ne- *gets shot*

 

[TheYungLink]

If Undertale gets any representation in Ultimate in the form of Spirits, I'll be happy tbh. I don't think they'd go with solely Sans though, that's too meme-y. They'll at least include the protagonist and maybe Flowey, or them plus the other seven important Undertale NPCs (Toriel, Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, and Asgore).

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

He's already in the game, look at Ne- *gets shot*

*camera pans over to Toby Fox with a smoking gun*

 

[SonicMario]

If Undertale gets any representation in Ultimate in the form of Spirits, I'll be happy tbh. I don't think they'd go with solely Sans though, that's too meme-y. They'll at least include the protagonist and maybe Flowey, or them plus the other seven important Undertale NPCs (Toriel, Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, and Asgore).

If additional Spirits were added as free updates through the DLC period. A Flowey spirit for Piranha Plant would work nicely.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Goatmom spirit for Palutena

 

[Deathcarter]

[Rex fan coolly approaches]

Carter, I was a Rex/Xenoblade 2 Rep supporter for this game. Sakurai specifically stated that he could not include Rex in the game at all.

Just featuring Rex's costume alongside the rest of the runner up brigade like Chibi-Robo, Ribbon Girl, and Ray would have been a clear message and was the standard operating procedure with every other major disconfirmation during this whole pre-release cycle. If Rex is simply a consolation prize like everyone else then why is he 1) not base roster like every other consolation prize & 2) not free like Piranha Plant?

The Mii outfit is a consolation award for him missing the deadline. There is no point in making the costume just for Rex, even as a hypothetical "bonus". There is redundancy behind the whole ordeal if we look at it through your goggles.

You folks really need to understand what a ****ing "consolation reward" is. It's not a consolation reward when you demanding people pay 25 dollars at worst for it when you're giving every other brand new Mii Costume away as base content. I don't care that Sakurai said it was a consolation prize because Sakurai knows that's the worst consolation prize ever. Now whether Sakurai/Nintendo don't give a **** and just made a point of screwing over Rex fans (and for whatever reason only Rex fans) or if it means anything more I don't know and am not even going to pretend like I do but regardless of whatever conclusion you reach actually acknowledge that the whole thing with the Rex costume is unusual and not in anyway comparable to other deconfirmations like Spring Man, Lip, or Chibi-Robo.

 

[Deleted member]

In light of the Death of Fallout, lemme pour one out for them, and also **** on the people who think Ultimate is still a port.

Imagine using the same engine for all your games.
This post was made by Sakurai Gang.

 

[DarthEnderX]

What AT bosses/battles are you hoping for?

For me? Anything with Isaac, Waluigi, and Spring-Man involved cause while it absolutely sucks they're not in, at least it'll nice to see them in action for more than 15 seconds.

I'd bring up Shadow too but he effects the characters rather then direct combat so I doubt he'll be a KO-able one.

I don't see any humanoid sized character being a boss battle.

Being a boss pretty much means having a fairly complete moveset. If they have a complete moveset, and are playable character sized, why wouldn't they have just made them playable characters?

I expect all the bosses are going to be characters that are too large/immobile to have been playble characters.

As for which ATs might also be bosses? My guesses are:
Mother Brain
Nightmare
Maybe Andross, but I don't think the AT Andross would be a boss
Dr. Wily's AT my harass you while you fight Yellow Devil, or maybe he'll have a Wily Machine
I could see Skull Kid if he has a phase 2 where he turns into Majora

 

[osby]

So, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman and likely Rathalos and Bomberman are Spirits. As far as we know, Sonic, Bayonetta, Castlevania, Mega Man and Metal Gear got a decent amount. I imagine there are PAC-MAN and Street Fighter Spirits too, but not sure if we saw any.

Any other third party Spirits did I missed?

EDIT: Uh, and Rabbids, I guess.

 

[Knight Dude]

So for mods, do you guys want Street Fighter 2010 Ken? Violent Ken would be great too, but he NEEDS the Afro.

So, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman and likely Rathalos and Bomberman are Spirits. As far as we know, Sonic, Bayonetta, Castlevania, Mega Man and Metal Gear got a decent amount. I imagine there are PAC-MAN and Street Fighter Spirits too, but not sure if we saw any.

Any other third party Spirits did I missed?

Sagat's a Spirit, we know that for a fact(better fight him as a Captain Falcon that spams Knees). I think Chun-Li was used as a Spirit on ZSS.

 

[PsySmasher]

Just featuring Rex's costume alongside the rest of the runner up brigade like Chibi-Robo, Ribbon Girl, and Ray would have been a clear message and was the standard operating procedure with every other major disconfirmation during this whole pre-release cycle. If Rex is simply a consolation prize like everyone else then why is he 1) not base roster like every other consolation prize & 2) not free like Piranha Plant?


You folks really need to understand what a ****ing "consolation reward" is. It's not a consolation reward when you demanding people pay 25 dollars at worst for it when you're giving every other brand new Mii Costume away as base content. I don't care that Sakurai said it was a consolation prize because Sakurai knows that's the worst consolation prize ever. Now whether Sakurai/Nintendo don't give a **** and just made a point of screwing over Rex fans (and for whatever reason only Rex fans) or if it means anything more I don't know and am not even going to pretend like I do but regardless of whatever conclusion you reach actually acknowledge that the whole thing with the Rex costume is unusual and not in anyway comparable to other deconfirmations like Spring Man, Lip, or Chibi-Robo.

I've talked about Rex and Pyra multiple times, so at this point I'm just gonna quote what I posted:

At 32:06 in the direct Sakurai literally says:
"We decided which fighters to include when we started planning, so we couldn't add characters from titles like Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which was announce after planning had started"

The text underneath him while he's saying this: While Rex didn't quite make the roster
Look I really wanted Rex as DLC, but this the most blatant deconfirmation you can get.

Rex was one of my most wanted DLC character, but I have to accept the writing on the wall here.
You are right in that Rex is in a very different scenario than other Mii costume characters.
But unfortunately, that situation is 100% deconfirmation from Sakurai himself.
I would love nothing more than to be wrong on this.
But unless Sakurai literally goes against what he said only a few days before he confirmed the DLC roster's finalization, Rex is not in the Fighters Pass.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Just featuring Rex's costume alongside the rest of the runner up brigade like Chibi-Robo, Ribbon Girl, and Ray would have been a clear message and was the standard operating procedure with every other major disconfirmation during this whole pre-release cycle. If Rex is simply a consolation prize like everyone else then why is he 1) not base roster like every other consolation prize & 2) not free like Piranha Plant?


You folks really need to understand what a ****ing "consolation reward" is. It's not a consolation reward when you demanding people pay 25 dollars at worst for it when you're giving every other brand new Mii Costume away as base content. I don't care that Sakurai said it was a consolation prize because Sakurai knows that's the worst consolation prize ever. Now whether Sakurai/Nintendo don't give a **** and just made a point of screwing over Rex fans (and for whatever reason only Rex fans) or if it means anything more I don't know and am not even going to pretend like I do but regardless of whatever conclusion you reach actually acknowledge that the whole thing with the Rex costume is unusual and not in anyway comparable to other deconfirmations like Spring Man, Lip, or Chibi-Robo.

Considering past Mii Fighter announcements such as the ones from 4, of characters who were not playable nor ever playable to begin with, it's a bit precarious to treat them like beacons toward things to come. The Inklings and K.Rool in particular were given costumes for Smash 4 DLC. At the time, it was fair to assume that both the costumes and the characters could be playable regardless as the costumes are just cosmetic and other playable characters had their own costumes already. However, that didn't turn out to be the case. If a non-playable character got a costume before their debut, that character is out for good.

Fast foward to Ultimate and we finally get the Inklings and K.Rool in the base roster, but it still took a new game to make it happen. Now put yourself in Sakurai's shoes for a moment and consider the circumstances behind Rex: A costume of him was made DLC for a combination of reasons, first being that he was too late to be made playable either for the base roster or DLC, and the second being that Nintendo did not have faith in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 succeeding. Therefore, the drive (no pun intended) to promote the game even further through Rex might not be there. Second reasoning is the worst case scenario here.

However, there is a silver lining to that very scenario. Assuming our Fighter's Pack does a phenomenal job at sales, this might encourage Nintendo to revisit the idea to pump out even more DLC. At this point, we can speculate the possibility of Assist Trophy upgrades as well as Rex. We would be so far ahead in the development cycle post-release that he would gain his chance at being playable. They would know that Ultimate is the final (good) Smash game and the ultimate (okay...pun definitely intended that time) last chance any character like Rex has at being playable before becoming irrelevant in their eyes. Again, there is no reason to make his Mii Fighter outfit if he's intended to be playable, or even considered to be playable because it would be redundant to do so. At least in this Fighter's Pack. Time will tell what will happen to Rex and the others afterward.

 

[Idon]

Oh, don't mind me, just preparing the warning sign for all the guys that want to get into discussing their characters' chances of getting in.

 

[vaanrose]

In light of the Death of Fallout, lemme pour one out for them, and also **** on the people who think Ultimate is still a port.

Imagine using the same engine for all your games.
This post was made by Sakurai Gang.

Mario Odyssey is using the same SEAD engine Mario Galaxy used. There's nothing wrong with using the same engine for a decade, if the engine is actually good.

 

[osby]

Considering past Mii Fighter announcements such as the ones from 4, of characters who were not playable nor ever playable to begin with, it's a bit precarious to treat them like beacons toward things to come. The Inklings and K.Rool in particular were given costumes for Smash 4 DLC. At the time, it was fair to assume that both the costumes and the characters could be playable regardless as the costumes are just cosmetic and other playable characters had their own costumes already. However, that didn't turn out to be the case. If a non-playable character got a costume before their debut, that character is out for good.

Fast foward to Ultimate and we finally get the Inklings and K.Rool in the base roster, but it still took a new game to make it happen. Now put yourself in Sakurai's shoes for a moment and consider the circumstances behind Rex: A costume of him was made DLC for a combination of reasons, first being that he was too late to be made playable either for the base roster or DLC, and the second being that Nintendo did not have faith in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 succeeding. Therefore, the drive (no pun intended) to promote the game even further through Rex might not be there. Second reasoning is the worst case scenario here.

However, there is a silver lining to that very scenario. Assuming our Fighter's Pack does a phenomenal job at sales, this might encourage Nintendo to revisit the idea to pump out even more DLC. At this point, we can speculate the possibility of Assist Trophy upgrades as well as Rex. We would be so far ahead in the development cycle post-release that he would gain his chance at being playable. They would know that Ultimate is the final (good) Smash game and the ultimate (okay...pun definitely intended that time) last chance any character like Rex has at being playable before becoming irrelevant in their eyes. Again, there is no reason to make his Mii Fighter outfit if he's intended to be playable, or even considered to be playable because it would be redundant to do so. At least in this Fighter's Pack. Time will tell what will happen to Rex and the others afterward.

At least Rex and Spring Man have pretty good chances for a potential future Smash game... I hope...

 

[KarneraMythos]

Oh, don't mind me, just preparing the warning sign for all the guys that want to get into discussing their characters' chances of getting in.

So you're telling me that this is what Hell looks like?

 

[RandomAce]

Oh, don't mind me, just preparing the warning sign for all the guys that want to get into discussing their characters' chances of getting in.

This should’ve been posted much earlier.

 

[Idon]

So you're telling me that this is what Hell looks like?
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Yup. Hell on earth nestled here in our discussion forum.

 

[PsySmasher]

Oh, don't mind me, just preparing the warning sign for all the guys that want to get into discussing their characters' chances of getting in.

You're just posting this now?

 

[Zinith]

Oh, don't mind me, just preparing the warning sign for all the guys that want to get into discussing their characters' chances of getting in.

Wise advice brought to us by Spirit Halloween retailers

 

[hazza5557]

Rayman’s a spirit?? Hopefully spirits aren’t deconfirmations then.

 

[LetterO]

So, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman and likely Rathalos and Bomberman are Spirits. As far as we know, Sonic, Bayonetta, Castlevania, Mega Man and Metal Gear got a decent amount. I imagine there are PAC-MAN and Street Fighter Spirits too, but not sure if we saw any.

Any other third party Spirits did I missed?

EDIT: Uh, and Rabbids, I guess.

Dan Hibiki is a Spirit for Ken

 

[KarneraMythos]

Yup. Hell on earth nestled here in our discussion forum.
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Ahhh, speaking of this brimstone of a fandom, it seems like we'll be reaching over 9000 of those pages as you mentioned some 100 pages ago. How about that, you psychic you! I bet you sold your soul to devil to see into the- oh wait...

At least Rex and Spring Man have pretty good chances for a potential future Smash game... I hope...

The pessimist in me says Rex and Spring Man either:
1. Get confirmed for the worst Smash sequel ever (i.e. a reboot with a ton of cuts therefore smaller fanbase gatherings)
2. Get forgotten/given the Isaac treatment for being "irrelevant" to Nintendo

It's a lose-lose. I want my inevitable Smash reboot to be Namco vs. Sega vs. Nintendo vs. Capcom instead.

 

[osby]

Ahhh, speaking of this brimstone of a fandom, it seems like we'll be reaching over 9000 of those pages as you mentioned some 100 pages ago. How about that, you psychic you! I bet you sold your soul to devil to see into the- oh wait...
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The pessimist in me says Rex and Spring Man either:
1. Get confirmed for the worst Smash sequel ever (i.e. a reboot with a ton of cuts therefore smaller fanbase gatherings)
2. Get forgotten/given the Isaac treatment for being "irrelevant" to Nintendo

It's a lose-lose. I want my inevitable Smash reboot to be Namco vs. Sega vs. Nintendo vs. Capcom instead.

I doubt they are forgotten or considered irrelevant, but we'll see.

 

[KarneraMythos]

I doubt they are forgotten or considered irrelevant, but we'll see.

No no, I meant by the time Smash 6 would/could be announced. Assuming it would take us about a decade to see another sequel, Nintendo (and Sakurai) would rather focus on completely different characters. Who knows? Monolithsoft might have different protagonists from different in-house games that have little relation to the Xenoblade Chronicles games ala Xenosaga and Xenogears? It's stuff like that. As for Spring Man, unless Nintendo pushes for an ARMS sequel and future touchups to the IP, it's dead in the water, at least for Smash.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Is taking pictures still a feature in the game

 

[Zinith]

Is taking pictures still a feature in the game

Well the Switch can take screencaps on it's own...

 

[Idon]

No no, I meant by the time Smash 6 would/could be announced. Assuming it would take us about a decade to see another sequel, Nintendo (and Sakurai) would rather focus on completely different characters. Who knows? Monolithsoft might have different protagonists from different in-house games that have little relation to the Xenoblade Chronicles games ala Xenosaga and Xenogears? It's stuff like that. As for Spring Man, unless Nintendo pushes for an ARMS sequel and future touchups to the IP, it's dead in the water, at least for Smash.

Or maybe they'll go the Final Fantasy route and give us...

Xenoblade Chronicles 2-2

 

[Mc.Rad]

I had a realization that Deathborn has no spirit in the game despite the fact that he literally was a trophy in Smash 4. There’s also a lot of obscure spirits as well... so I have no ideal if it does mean that...



He is real

 

[Zinith]

Here's the Yoshi Spirits so far...

Don Bongo
Tap-Tap
Yarn Poochy
Stork
Yoshi and Baby Mario
Baby Mario
Yarn Yoshi

7 so far. C'mon Sakurai, you can do more

 

[Noipoi]

I better see all 799 non playable Pokemon as Spirits.
Every. Single. One.