Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Do you guys believe the theory that Sakurai is trying to "warn" us that corporate picks nobody asked for is all we're getting for the Fighters Pass?

No, I don't think that was his intention. I personally viewed it as "We're not taking player input on this, please stop spamming us with requests 24/7".

Also, I've said it once and I'll say it again: Just because a character isn't shouted from the rooftops like the likes of Ridley, K. Rool, and Geno on forums, doesn't mean they don't have fans that would be thrilled to see them. Just because it isn't some character from a botted fan pole doesn't mean it's a "corporate" pick designed to ignore fans.

 

[amazonevan19]

They really are trying hard with Assist Trophies this time, making them more aggressive in fights, capable of fighting one another, some being KO'd, and could potentially factor into the World of Light, but we're going to be dealing with something that will replace what shall replace the "Ridley's Too Big" argument, and I refer to it as the "Assist Trophy Glass Ceiling" argument. It's something you will be hearing a lot of from now on.

From now on.

tbh while I appreciate the fact characters like Waluigi and Shadow are in via assist and they are working on making them more interactive, how can they not understand that the way they deconfirmed SO many characters at the end, and finished on Kencineroar, REALLY pissed off a lot of people? And that making ATs more interactive only makes it hurt that much more that they aren't actually playable? Having an AT essentially acting like a mini fighter just deepens the disappointment for those fanbases tbh.

Ridley's no longer too big but there's no way Sakurai doesn't know about the Smash community's reactions post that last direct. He probably knew about the Grinch leak too and knows that he deconfirmed extremely desired characters pretty savagely - if a smash 6 is happening, I really hope they take into consideration better marketing techniques and include a good number of the deconfirmeds the next time around, or consider them for future ultimate DLC waves. I'm totally fine with Ultimate getting more DLC waves as opposed to a new smash game if that means more meaningful content.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There shouldn't even be a Smash 6 since it'll only be 1/3 of the roster. Ultimate I still feel is a perfect conclusion to rap the franchise but that's just me.

Either do a spin-off like some RPG or a vs. crossover series (Capcom, Shonen Jump or whatever).

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I love this very out there theory that Sakurai wouldn't just back away from Smash as director if he had to play a yes man to Nintendo.

He doesn't strike me as a Yes Man in the least.

So if you legit believe he's being forced to release DLC fighters he had no say or choice in than uhh....be my guest.

I just feel like we'd be looking at a different director for DLC if that was the case.

 

[Luigifan18]

Until Verg says Cooking Mama is the square rep i'm not believing anything he says.

Nobody understands how much perfect sense Cooking Mama makes, though.
She's quite literally the most Nintendo-oriented Square character.

Square Enix owns Cooking Mama?!? I could have sworn she was a Nintendo character.

 

[VashTehStampede]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/11/15/tales-of-series-23rd-anniversary-broadcast-8th-december-2018/

"Bandai Namco will be hosting a special Tales of series broadcast on the 8th of December"
""Lloyd's Japanese VA will be featured."
"Two days after the VGA, and one day after Ultimate's release."

 

[Robertman2]

No, I don't think that was his intention. I personally viewed it as "We're not taking player input on this, please stop spamming us with requests 24/7".

Also, I've said it once and I'll say it again: Just because a character isn't shouted from the rooftops like the likes of Ridley, K. Rool, and Geno on forums, doesn't mean they don't have fans that would be thrilled to see them. Just because it isn't some character from a botted fan pole doesn't mean it's a "corporate" pick designed to ignore fans.

Honestly, a lot of those characters like Piranha Plant are far more interesting than stuff like Geno/Ashley/Waluigi could ever be

 

[TMNTSSB4]

What you mean his AT didn't come back hes perfectly on the table.

Check the AT section website and he’s completely gone, only Phosphora remains

 

[Michael the Spikester]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/11/15/tales-of-series-23rd-anniversary-broadcast-8th-december-2018/

"Bandai Namco will be hosting a special Tales of series broadcast on the 8th of December"
""Lloyd's Japanese VA will be featured."
"Two days after the VGA, and one day after Ultimate's release."

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Best prepare to being disappointed again even if Lloyd is among my predictions.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

tbh while I appreciate the fact characters like Waluigi and Shadow are in via assist and they are working on making them more interactive, how can they not understand that the way they deconfirmed SO many characters at the end, and finished on Kencineroar, REALLY pissed off a lot of people? And that making ATs more interactive only makes it hurt that much more that they aren't actually playable? Having an AT essentially acting like a mini fighter just deepens the disappointment for those fanbases tbh.

Ridley's no longer too big but there's no way Sakurai doesn't know about the Smash community's reactions post that last direct. He probably knew about the Grinch leak too and knows that he deconfirmed extremely desired characters pretty savagely - if a smash 6 is happening, I really hope they take into consideration better marketing techniques and include a good number of the deconfirmeds the next time around, or consider them for future ultimate DLC waves. I'm totally fine with Ultimate getting more DLC waves as opposed to a new smash game if that means more meaningful content.

I personally don't understand why they didn't swap Kencineroar's trailer around with the Belmonts. End it on new third-party hype right after Halloween instead of the most obvious picks.

To be honest I love the Assist Trophy roster, even though there's a large chunk of characters there I'd rather see playable over the actual cast we have. The more I continue to examine Shadow's case the more I think that either a) he was going to be the last Echo to round the count out but fell through or b) they were simply unaware of demand for him that was generated too late for him to be included. It's still a mystery, but also the sad truth we have to live with.

 

[Robertman2]

Also twenty bucks says we find an unfinished Final Fantasy assist trophy when datamining the game

 

[osby]

tbh while I appreciate the fact characters like Waluigi and Shadow are in via assist and they are working on making them more interactive, how can they not understand that the way they deconfirmed SO many characters at the end, and finished on Kencineroar, REALLY pissed off a lot of people? And that making ATs more interactive only makes it hurt that much more that they aren't actually playable? Having an AT essentially acting like a mini fighter just deepens the disappointment for those fanbases tbh.

Ridley's no longer too big but there's no way Sakurai doesn't know about the Smash community's reactions post that last direct. He probably knew about the Grinch leak too and knows that he deconfirmed extremely desired characters pretty savagely - if a smash 6 is happening, I really hope they take into consideration better marketing techniques and include a good number of the deconfirmeds the next time around, or consider them for future ultimate DLC waves. I'm totally fine with Ultimate getting more DLC waves as opposed to a new smash game if that means more meaningful content.

I don't think good marketing is searching fan favorite characters from internet and then announcing they won't be playable in the first direct.

Also, what is "SO many characters"? Shadow and Isaac? First direct deconfirmed Waluigi, Lyn and Midna. Unless Smash fandom drops this "not shown=hiding=playable" mentality, they are bound to be disappointed. A marketing campaign's purpose shouldn't be protecting hardcore fans from their own imagination.

 

[PsySmasher]

Honestly at this point I would be happier if Ultimate just ended up getting ported to other consoles with additional content rather than a full reboot of the series.

There is no way they can top the hype surrounding this game with any reboot, solely based on the sheer amount of playable characters we have.

Just refine the gameplay, add some more characters and content and you're good to go.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Also twenty bucks says we find an unfinished Final Fantasy assist trophy when datamining the game

And it was Lightning.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Also twenty bucks says we find an unfinished Final Fantasy assist trophy when datamining the game

I'm also betting we'll find unused content of said Rhythm Heaven character.

 

[Kingslime304]

I have a semi-game to play!
Give one unique thing to a generic FE mook as if they are in Smash Bros.

For Example:
Soldier's charging F-Smash has him twirling his lance, you can move left, or right while you charge it before you thrust out the lance with chains (A reference to the Generals Crit. animation from the GBA FE games).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly at this point I would be happier if Ultimate just ended up getting ported to other consoles with additional content rather than a full reboot of the series.

There is no way they can top the hype surrounding this game with any reboot, solely passed on the sheer amount of playable characters we have.

Just refine the gameplay, add some more characters and content and you're good to go.

This or as I said a spin-off or Vs. crossover game. I'd be fine with either.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Also twenty bucks says we find an unfinished Final Fantasy assist trophy when datamining the game

Also betting that we will find any data of potential characters being cut.

 

[Opossum]

Ultimate I still feel is a perfect conclusion to rap the franchise but that's just me.

"Okay guys! It's time to rap some Smash Bros."

"Youuuu just do the singing. I'll take care of the hard part."

 

[Zinith]

Maybe a cut Poochy Assist Trophy will be datamined...

 

[Idon]

I have a semi-game to play!
Give one unique thing to a generic FE mook as if they are in Smash Bros.

For Example:
Soldier's charging F-Smash has him twirling his lance, you can move left, or right while you charge it before you thrust out the lance with chains (A reference to the Generals Crit. animation from the GBA FE games).

Getting hit by an archer's bow shot while you're airborne doubles the knockback and damage you take.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

"Okay guys! It's time to rap some Smash Bros."

"Youuuu just do the singing. I'll take care of the hard part."

Darn typos...

 

[Splotim]

I hope Nintendo announces an eshop demo at that Thanksgiving tournament. I don’t think I can make it three weeks.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

To be honest I love the Assist Trophy roster, even though there's a large chunk of characters there I'd rather see playable over the actual cast we have. The more I continue to examine Shadow's case the more I think that either a) he was going to be the last Echo to round the count out but fell through or b) they were simply unaware of demand for him that was generated too late for him to be included. It's still a mystery, but also the sad truth we have to live with.

I think it's pretty likely that some of the advanced assist trophies with good models (i.e Spring Man, Waluigi, and Alucard) were originally supposed to be characters, but got retrofitted to assist trophies because of a lack of dev time. We won't know for sure until we can properly look at the game files though.

 

[Will]

"Okay guys! It's time to rap some Smash Bros."

"Youuuu just do the singing. I'll take care of the hard part."

Gotcha.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm really banking on the Squaracter being either Sora or a Dragon Quest character (either Slime, or Erdrick/some other hero). Anything else would truly surprise me.

Hoping for Lara though.

You can have Lara Croft but for the love of god never say 'squaracter' ever again

 

[Will]

You can have Lara Croft but for the love of god never say 'squaracter' ever again

I'll say squaracter until I get my ****ing MILF chef

 

[Icedragonadam]

Best prepare to being disappointed again even if Lloyd is among my predictions.

What's interesting is that they do these things around or after the date of the series's anniversary. Like last year was the 16th, but it's the 8th this time, one week before the anniversary date and it's 2 days after VGAs. And I know Namco has been working to promote the series in the west lately. And we still haven't heard anything about that unknown Switch title.

 

[Noipoi]

I'll say squaracter until I get my ****ing MILF chef

Cooking Mama is not for lewd.

 

[LetterO]

I'm also betting we'll find unused content of said Rhythm Heaven character.

This is going to be painful if it is correct. Very painful.

 

[Will]

Cooking Mama is not for lewd.

Paheal says otherwise.

 

[AndreaAC]

Does anyone have a link to that roster maker that uses the Ultimate renders?

I don't know if it was posted yet, but is it this one?

https://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/

 

[New_Dumal]

Honestly at this point I would be happier if Ultimate just ended up getting ported to other consoles with additional content rather than a full reboot of the series.

There is no way they can top the hype surrounding this game with any reboot, solely passed on the sheer amount of playable characters we have.

Just refine the gameplay, add some more characters and content and you're good to go.

You know what could be worse than a Smash reboot ?
A 3D Smash reboot. Oh yeah, the trash potential.

 

[osby]

I have no self-control whatsoever. Yes, I'm going to main 13 characters, why do you ask?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know what could be worse than a Smash reboot ?
A 3D Smash reboot. Oh yeah, the trash potential.

Just call it Nintendo VS Capcom and people would go "oh **** nice"

 

[Idon]

I have no self-control whatsoever. Yes, I'm going to main 13 characters, why do you ask?

Well 15 since Ivysaur's gonna be tied to 2 other guys.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I really do love Smash. Having never gotten into Brawl competitively, I treasure it as the first time I really dove into a game. It's probably the first game I ever hit over 200 hours in, and definitely the first game I ever hit 100% completion. I never went back to Melee because I just didn't care for how it felt, but when Smash 4 rolled around, I was all-in on that. I have more hours in Smash 4 than anything else, nothing even comes close. I adore Smash 4.

But with Ultimate? Something's really been brought back to me. It's brought back to me what it really means to love a game. Smash honestly shaped me into the type of gamer I am today, and it's why Sakurai is my all-time favorite director. I honestly think if it weren't for Smash I wouldn't love gaming as a whole nearly as much. I wouldn't strive to get better, I wouldn't strive to achieve, and I wouldn't have any ambition to accomplish goals.

It feels good to look back at the games of my past. I had never 100%'d a game before Brawl, and in the buildup to Ultimate, it just feels right to go back and appreciate what Brawl gave me and complete them again. 100%'d Thousand Year Door two weeks ago, just 100%'d Wind Waker a few minutes ago. Probably gonna try to get Twilight Princess done before Star Allies' final DLC drops, and I'm gonna do the Metroid Prime Trilogy before MP4 comes out.

Brawl was also the first game I ever really played multiplayer. I was never good at any other multiplayer games before, but Brawl really taught me that I could start low and build myself up, that I didn't have to worry about being less skilled as long as I had fun. Brawl helped get me through a really rough patch of my life, and Smash 4 has made me more friendships in my college years than I could count.

I'm shouting into a bottomless pit, but I really do want to thank Masahiro Sakurai and his team for shaping me into the type of gamer, and even the type of person I am today. Ultimate won't be a perfect game, but it will be perfect for me. Brawl was there for me as a kid, Smash 4 was there for me through college, and Ultimate may be the game that defines me for the next seven or eight years of my post-college life.

I'm so glad this game exists.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just call it Nintendo VS Shonen Jump and people would go "oh **** nice"

FTFY.

 

[Will]

I have no self-control whatsoever. Yes, I'm going to main 13 characters, why do you ask?

Because that's not having a main at that point that's just playing 1/6 the random button

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Honestly at this point I would be happier if Ultimate just ended up getting ported to other consoles with additional content rather than a full reboot of the series.

There is no way they can top the hype surrounding this game with any reboot, solely passed on the sheer amount of playable characters we have.

Just refine the gameplay, add some more characters and content and you're good to go.

Leaked pic of Sakurai after that:

Seriously though, part of me would hate to see this happen. Sakurai deserves a break. I also don't really want to see Smash end up like Skyrim, where they refuse to let it die.