Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[AwesomeAussie27]

Two laughably fake leaks in one day.

Can this day get any better?

 

[Opossum]

Why? Honestly, I don't get it I like her and all but I'm not sure I get why she's more important than Tom Nook or Reseti.

She's the face of the franchise at this point and Nintendo markets the hell out of her, to the point where she was DLC for Mario Kart 8.

 

[Starcutter]

Back before smash 4 I would have argued for Tom nook but Isabelle got way, way more popular since then.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Isabelle is perhaps one of the most popular new Nintendo characters in YEARS. It's mind boggling stupid how big she is.

It's far more shocking for Sakurai to take a character that is so popular world wide (but especially Japan in particular) and go ''Nah."

That'd be more shocking. Especially since there's like no reason to do that.

 

[Starcutter]

I'll be honest, I thought you guys were parodying a 90's commercial or something from those "leak" posts.

 

[PixelPasta]

Hello everybody. I already posted this in the Stage Speculation thread, but I thought I'd post it here for visibility. Hopefully this isn't considered too off-topic.

Basically what I'm doing is putting together a survey to see which stages the community wants in the next Smash.

Right now I'm doing some preliminary suggestion gathering. If you have the time, fill out this Google Form with a stage you'd like to see in the next Smash! It will help me compile a list of options for the final survey. Suggestions with many votes will be more likely to make it onto the questionnaire.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Isabelle is perhaps one of the most popular new Nintendo characters in YEARS. It's mind boggling stupid how big she is.

It's far more shocking for Sakurai to take a character that is so popular world wide (but especially Japan in particular) and go ''Nah."

That'd be more shocking. Especially since there's like no reason to do that.

Because apparently "she can't get hurt" is what most of her detractors would say.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Because apparently "she can't get hurt" is what most of her detractors would say.

I can't attack a cute character!

Literally half the roster is cute and adorable.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I don't even think we can say any character is "obvious" considering how we rarely end up being right about those types of absolute statements.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Isabelle is the Palutena of Smash 5 to me.
Pretty likely to get in, but really don't care either way

So if's not like I don't put stock in her, it's just that I'm not really motivated to talk about her to defend her chances or moveset potential even though she has both

 

[RosiePeaches]

Isabelle, Tom Nook, Resetti and K.K are the most popular Animal Crossing characters.

Although I think they will not make any of them playable because of how Villager is the active player character and the others are passive NPC characters.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

Isabelle is pretty cute, but I am not too sure if she would be fit to be a fighter. I really only see her being a assist character.

Most Smash character already do a lot of fighting in their own game and/or have fighting powers. The only character I can compare her to is WFT, who revolves around Yoga moves so she had some potential. I don't see too much in Isabelle tbh, but I wouldn't mind her.

I don't even think we can say any character is "obvious" considering how we end up barely being right about those types of absolute statements.

I think Rex/ Pyra is pretty much an "obvious" as well as Inkling had they not been announced. Other than them, I do agree there is very little character we can guarantee since many characters that is obvious are already in Smash.

 

[RosiePeaches]

Isabelle is pretty cute, but I am not too sure if she would be fit to be a fighter. I really only see her being a assist character.

Most Smash character already do a lot of fighting in their own game and/or have fighting powers. The only character I can compare her to is WFT, who revolves around Yoga moves so she had some potential. I don't see too much in Isabelle tbh, but I wouldn't mind her.



I think Rex/ Pyra is pretty much an "obvious" as well as Inkling had they not been announced. Other than them, I do agree there is very little character we can guarantee since many characters that is obvious are already in Smash.

To be honest, I do not think Rex and Pyra will get in initially because of how they weren’t really a thing during the project plan. And I don’t think they will reserve a spot for “new Xenoblade character” unlike Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree with the sentiment (that mindset is how the Tower of Smash "leak" got as big as it did, no pun intended), but personally I think people in general don't put enough stock into Isabelle.

Honestly I think she's the most obvious newcomer now that Inklings are confirmed and ARMS may or may not have happened too late.

I feel the complete opposite.

Yeah, she makes a bunch of appearances. Yeah, she's popular.
Big whoop.
That does nothing to tell me she's "obvious". Especially when there's nothing inherent about her in regards to an interesting and unique fighting style like with the Inklings.

I mean really. The Assist Trophy role is perfect for someone like her. That's the role she plays in Animal Crossing; the player's faithful assistant. Hell, even as an Assist, she just tosses healing fruit to the player that summoned her and cowers when fighters get too close.

And I'm supposed to believe that she's the next obvious choice after the Inklings to enter the battlefield? I think not.
And I doubt anyone's going to convince me otherwise.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ya'll are really sleeping on how Isabelle has the potential to be the ''Whoops. I didn't mean for that to actually hurt you." type of fighter that Phoenix Wright was in MvC.

Mix in a little stuff from the Public Works projects and Happy Home Designer.

Her moveset really sort of writes itself.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think Rex/ Pyra is pretty much an "obvious" as well as Inkling had they not been announced. Other than them, I do agree there is very little character we can guarantee since many characters that is obvious are already in Smash.

The big problem I have in terms of people speculating about their chance is that they assume that the sales of a game released in December 2017 would have an impact on a roster that was finalised long before XC2 was even released, because of all the reasons Rex and Pyra could get into the base roster, that reason wouldn't be a valid one. I have a similar issue in regards to how people speculate about the idea ARMS characters in the base roster.

 

[92MilesPrower]

I saw the potential moveset for Isabelle, and it's interesting, but I'm not so sure if Sakurai would be able to come up with a moveset for her similar to that, I doubt he'd think of using the emotions and stuff for attacks, but possibly see the public works projects as possible moves.

Otherwise, I can't really think of much else she could do aside from what's in that potential moveset, other than what Villager can already do.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

To be honest, I do not think Rex and Pyra will get in initially because of how they weren’t really a thing during the project plan. And I don’t think they will reserve a spot for “new Xenoblade character”

What do you mean by "not really a thing"? Did you mean like how Greninja was not really a thing yet he being decided for Smash 4 way before his own game.

I actually do think they will reserve a spot for a Xenoblade 2 character. Xenoblade has been one of the more well loved series for Nintendo for a while now. They don't have too much reps and could really use another one.

Ya'll are really sleeping on how Isabelle has the potential to be the ''Whoops. I didn't mean for that to actually hurt you." type of fighter that Phoenix Wright was in MvC.

Mix in a little stuff from the Public Works projects and Happy Home Designer.

Her moveset really sort of writes itself.

Phoenix gets pretty intense. He was basically battling with his pointing and yelling. I don't really see them making Isabelle into something like Killager as a innocent fighter.

And out of interest, your thoughts on her potential moveset?

 

[CroonerMike]

Isabella like Pyra can't get in because she shows too much legs with her skirt. The rating would go up from E10 to T. They would have to give her slacks or something. (Commence the Pyra triggers)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Isabelle's main role in New Leaf leads into her A attacks all being accidents. She's a klutz. I don't see her getting intense with it, but rather she simply attacks you by not meaning too.

Her B attacks are all mostly pulled and inspired by what she primarly does in New Leaf and Happy Home Designer.

In one? She could plant a sign that represents a new project is being built. It grows and grows until it reach peak mass and zones fighters in while also doing damage to them as it grows nearby them. Once it is complete it disappears after a while or if it takes enough damage from another fighter on the stage.

In another inspired by Happy Home Designer and her clumsy nature. She walks with a furniture leaf from the series in her hands. The longer you charge the more rare the item of furniture in her hand will be and the higher the damage to your opponent will be when you trip.

Her up special is simply the fishing rod. She can using it gather items on the stage or return when she is falling.

 

[Sonic Poke]

I don't believe the leak but it is fun to try.
Something messy- Inklings
Something flat- Laboman
Something hairy- Dixie Kong
Something ghostly- Dark Matter
Something skeletal- Ridley?? Alolan Marowak??
Something sneaky- Decidueye
Something smelly- Waluigi
Something frosty- Ice Climbers
Something classic- Pauline
Something old- Impa
Something in unison- Rex and Pyra
Something foreign- Takamaru

 

[Cosmic77]

Does Isabelle make sense? Looking at her popularity and iconicness, I'd say yes.

Is she an "easy prediction" or "guaranteed" character? Not really, especially since we have no idea if Sakurai has seriously considered adding more than one Animal Crossing rep. Villager alone was a big ordeal.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I do like the idea of emotions as her A attacks so not everything is but ''I'm a klutz."

If the emotions are her smash attacks and you throw in what I said about her special attacks you simply have a character who is still being herself.

Isabelle two's biggest things to represent is her clumsy nature and that she is dedicated to her job. I believe those are easy to pull off and you have one of the most popular new Nintendo reps in Smash.

 

[Opossum]

I feel the complete opposite.

Yeah, she makes a bunch of appearances. Yeah, she's popular.
Big whoop.
That does nothing to tell me she's "obvious". Especially when there's nothing inherent about her in regards to an interesting and unique fighting style like with the Inklings.

I mean really. The Assist Trophy role is perfect for someone like her. That's the role she plays in Animal Crossing; the player's faithful assistant. Hell, even as an Assist, she just tosses healing fruit to the player that summoned her and cowers when fighters get too close.

And I'm supposed to believe that she's the next obvious choice after the Inklings to enter the battlefield? I think not.
And I doubt anyone's going to convince me otherwise.

In my eyes being the closest non-Mario or Pokémon character Nintendo has left to a household name trumps basically anyone else as far as likelihood. It's not even a Chrom situation where there's massive overlap. The Animal Crossing franchise is far too large and influential to be stuck with one character, IMO, and Isabelle is easily the most likely among them. She's the franchise face. That's more than most of the popular characters like Isaac or K. Rool could ever say, and something I think will force Sakurai's hand to at least TRY to make her happen.

But likewise, I don't think I'm going to budge on this either. To each his own.

 

[Bebe Mignon]

What do you mean by "not really a thing"? Did you mean like how Greninja was not really a thing yet he being decided for Smash 4 way before his own game.

I actually do think they will reserve a spot for a Xenoblade 2 character. Xenoblade has been one of the more well loved series for Nintendo for a while now. They don't have too much reps and could really use another one.

The issue with Rex and Pyra being an "obvious" choice is that there is Xenoblade X, which was already out (likely) before Smash Switch began development. A new Xenoblade rep is highly probable since the series has gained two additional games since Smash 3DS/Wii U, but it could be anyone from XCX or XC2.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'd wager Isabelle is most likely to be one of the most popular Nintendo characters in Japan. I'd be shocked if she's not.

I'm sure Sakurai knows how prominent she is simply by going outside of his own home.

 

[Rockaphin]

I'm hoping Villager will get a Z-tether recovery with the fishing rod since it's absent. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's the only tool not present in the moveset.

And while they're at it, fix Villager's mediocre grab.

 

[Starcutter]

Man, this just makes me pumped for Isabelle's day in the RTC thread

 

[SoccerStar9001]

The issue with Rex and Pyra being an "obvious" choice is that there is Xenoblade X, which was already out (likely) before Smash Switch began development. A new Xenoblade rep is highly probable since the series has gained two additional games since Smash 3DS/Wii U, but it could be anyone from XCX or XC2.

Good point. But personally, I actually didn't really find characters in XCX to be too memorable. The game as a whole was actually kinda boring to me unfortunately, that's why I completely forgot about it.

I still think Rex is generally more likely compared to most other character predictions due to that fact that Xenoblade 2 is pretty fresh and Rex was its main character.

In my eyes being the closest non-Mario or Pokémon character Nintendo has left to a household name trumps basically anyone else as far as likelihood. It's not even a Chrom situation where there's massive overlap. The Animal Crossing franchise is far too large and influential to be stuck with one character, IMO, and Isabelle is easily the most likely among them. She's the franchise face. That's more than most of the popular characters like Isaac or K. Rool could ever say, and something I think will force Sakurai's hand to at least TRY to make her happen.

But likewise, I don't think I'm going to budge on this either. To each his own.

Imo, the main counter argument is that Animal Crossing isn't really a game about combat. I am not sure if her being extremely popular will promote her from being an assist character to being a part of the Smash roster.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I get tired of the ''AC isn't about combat" thing. It's so flimsy of a reason to not give it more reps.

Captain Falcon stars in a racing game. No combat.

Wii Fit Trainer literally is just a fitness instructor. No combat.

Mr Game & Watch is representing old school video games that most of which were not about combat.

R.O.B. is a peripheral for the original NES who represents Gyromite as well. Gyromite is a puzzle game.

Miis are pacifists avatars for you and your friends and family. Here they are swordfighters, gun wielders, and brawlers.

Not to mention other things like:

Duck Hunt is a game where you shoot the duck. The duck is your friend in Smash.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

I get tired of the ''AC isn't about combat" thing. It's so flimsy of a reason to not give it more reps.

Captain Falcon stars in a racing game. No combat.

Mr Game & Watch is representing old school video games that most of which were not about combat.

R.O.B. is a peripheral for the original NES who represents Gyromite as well. Gyromite is a puzzle game.

Not to mention other things like:

Duck Hunt is a game where you shoot the duck. The duck is your friend in Smash.

They all had only one reps though, so...

EDIT

Miis are pacifists avatars for you and your friends and family. Here they are swordfighters, gun wielders, and brawlers.

Mii Plaza had a mini game where Mii would act as warriors to save your Mii, only to be scared off by a little boo. Mii does a lot of dumb things tbh.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

They all had only one reps though, so...

They all aren't mega watt Nintendo franchises till this day save Wii Fit (which sells like hot cakes) and what more can you really do with a series that's not even a game? It's an exercise software.

Animal Crossing is. Like AC is probably Nintendo's biggest success IP in years before Splatoon came along. I don't know how you all keep forgetting that about Animal Crossing.

It. Is. Huge. Massive.

Yet so many of you seem to think it's just this little weird passive town living simulator and everything that there is to say about it is already in Smash.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

The winner of the last Sonic poll was Knuckles. Both Knuckles and Tails were highly voted, but the former barely beat him by one vote. Other than that, not many want Amy or the Avatar from Forces.

Next will be a poll all about Sonic’s biggest rivals. Your choices are Shadow, Silver, Blaze, and Metal Sonic.

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[92MilesPrower]

The Miis have always had potential to be fighters in Smash Bros., they were just put in a lot of family friendly games and situations when the Wii was first released so they could appeal to everyone. Games like Find Mii and Miitopia were very likely to happen eventually, as you can easily insert an avatar character in a cartoony action game alongside casual sports and party games.

 

[Luminario]

Imo, the main counter argument is that Animal Crossing isn't really a game about combat. I am not sure if her being extremely popular will promote her from being an assist character to being a part of the Smash roster.

Her pacifism is pretty much the only realistic strike against her inclusion. I think with how big Isabelle is as a character, Sakurai must really not like AC or Issy to not add her as a fighter.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I mean **** Rosalina hadn't really done combat before Smash 4 either.

And I seriously doubt canon Rosalina would use her children as a weapon in a fight, yet here she's just like ''You go flying into the face of Princess Peach right now my child. Sacrifice yourself for me!"

Smash makes no sense with canon and people really need to stop trying to apply game series canon and logic to how Sakurai is going to pick a character and what he'll do with them.

 

[Deleted member]

The more you drone on, the less I want Isabelle, Roger.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The more you drone on, the less I want Isabelle, Roger.

Golden. Was it really necessary to say this? Nah, fam it wasn't.

It's basically the internet version of "shut up."

 

[SoccerStar9001]

The more you drone on, the less I want Isabelle, Roger.

Now, now. Let's not flame too much now. It is better to have civil discussion than it is to call other people drones.

 

[Deathcarter]

My only problem with Isabelle as someone who's played New Leaf and the original Gamecube version is that I feel that Tom Nook has a much better hook for a unique Smash moveset than Isabelle that he's directly associated with that's also a central to Animal Crossing, furniture. The only thing that I can associate with Isabelle off the top of my head that could translate to Smash well is her being a klutz which is a much less interesting hook to me. She's not somebody I think would be interesting in playing with moveset wise as I'm not in love with her personality.

That being said, Animal Crossing is big enough that both warrant getting in Smash Switch.

The issue with Rex and Pyra being an "obvious" choice is that there is Xenoblade X, which was already out (likely) before Smash Switch began development. A new Xenoblade rep is highly probable since the series has gained two additional games since Smash 3DS/Wii U, but it could be anyone from XCX or XC2.

Honestly I think its more likely we don't get a Xenoblade rep at all than an X rep getting over Rex & Pyra since I feel that Monolith would simply give Sakurai a heads up on Xenoblade 2 if he went to them to ask about any potential Xenoblade rep.