Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KingofKoopas]

was cooking, hitagi said something? he back on the Katalina stuff or is that still backpedaled?

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Might as well start adding 4th party characters to smash if plants can get in. No one is too irrelevant.

Just because a generic Mook can get in doesn't open the door for non video game characters.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Didn’t somebody say awhile back that Katarina talks fell through or something? This was a few days ago, and I don’t have a source, but I could have sworn I read that.

Regardless, if Nintendo/Sakurai are just deciding, then I really don’t know how sure we should be on any picks until we see more evidence. Verg never directly said anything about Steve or Katarina or whatever her name is, that’s all based on Hitagi.”, no?

 

[Untouch]

Verge has absolutely backed up Hitagi's claims about Steve.

No he hasn't.
He said that he still hasn't heard that Steve is in, but based on the DLC and that he's heard about minecraft, it is likely.

 

[Luigi The President]

No he hasn't.
He said that he still hasn't heard that Steve is in, but based on the DLC and that he's heard about minecraft, it is likely.

Reads as backing up to me, but that's more accurate. My bad.

Didn’t somebody say awhile back that Katarina talks fell through or something? This was a few days ago, and I don’t have a source, but I could have sworn I read that.

Regardless, if Nintendo/Sakurai are just deciding, then I really don’t know how sure we should be on any picks until we see more evidence. Verg never directly said anything about Steve or Katarina or whatever her name is, that’s all based on Hitagi.”, no?

Hitagi said they may have fell through but now says they are looking good

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You know it's almost like everytime someone gets up in arms about a generic enemy getting in they forget the generic enemy is from Mario and even Sakurai said it himself.

There's like 4 to 5 henchmen in Mario that just....everybody knows. Even people who barely play video games.

Piranha Plant is one of those 4 to 5 henchmen.

 

[Luigi The President]

Might as well start adding 4th party characters to smash if plants can get in. No one is too irrelevant.

A plant who is more iconic than the majority of the roster, has appeared consistently since the very first Mario, has thousands of hundreds of pieces of merch, just his HEAD is iconic...

 

[N3ON]

You know it's almost like everytime someone gets up in arms about a generic enemy getting in they forget the generic enemy is from Mario and even Sakurai said it himself.

There's like 4 to 5 henchmen in Mario that just....everybody knows. Even people who barely play video games.

Piranha Plant is one of those 4 to 5 henchmen.

No one is saying being a generic mook and being obscure are synonymous. Prevalence isn't the issue people take with the character.

 

[Idon]

Didn’t somebody say awhile back that Katarina talks fell through or something? This was a few days ago, and I don’t have a source, but I could have sworn I read that.

Regardless, if Nintendo/Sakurai are just deciding, then I really don’t know how sure we should be on any picks until we see more evidence. Verg never directly said anything about Steve or Katarina or whatever her name is, that’s all based on Hitagi.”, no?

No, they said it's entirely possible that the talks fell through.

Basically we've got no evidence one way or another.

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendo owns stock in Granblue's Creator, Cygames, and they're collaborating to develop Dragalia Lost.

Bandai Namco also own stock in Cygames and they're continually developing THE iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls. I think I even showed Nekoo and DaybreakHorizon during a discussion about this actual financial reports about how iM@S stacks over Granblue. And again, iM@S has the upper hand with Nintendo history, with Dearly Stars on the DS.

 

[Bionichute]

You know it's almost like everytime someone gets up in arms about a generic enemy getting in they forget the generic enemy is from Mario and even Sakurai said it himself.

There's like 4 to 5 henchmen in Mario that just....everybody knows. Even people who barely play video games.

Piranha Plant is one of those 4 to 5 henchmen.

piranha plant is the third enemy you encounter in super mario bros, its more famous than most of the other enemies in the game too

 

[Noipoi]

I would've preferred Goomba because it's the Mario enemy, but Piranha Plant is beautiful. Don't attack my plant child please and thank you.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

A plant who is more iconic than the majority of the roster, has appeared consistently since the very first Mario, has thousands of hundreds of pieces of merch, just his HEAD is iconic...

I mean he's certainly more recognizable to a wide mass of people than Rosalina, Daisy, and Bowser Jr the other recent Mario additions to the roster.

 

[Starbound]

Hitagi said they may have fell through but now says they are looking good

Woo my waifu is back in the game!

 

[Bionichute]

Bandai Namco also own stock in Cygames and they're continually developing THE iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls. I think I even showed Nekoo and DaybreakHorizon during a discussion about this actual financial reports about how iM@S stacks over Granblue. And again, iM@S has the upper hand with Nintendo history, with Dearly Stars on the DS.

do you actually want a character from an idol gacha game in smash bros or are you trying to make a point

because that might be the only thing worse than granblue lady

 

[Zinith]

Tree Gelbman Iguana

 

[Flyboy]

Verge has absolutely backed up Hitagi's claims about Steve.

Someone get Nekoo on the case because as far as I recall it was something along the lines of "I haven't heard anything to contradict it".

Like I'm accepting I may be wrong but this guy is not that credible yet. Doubly so if you consider how he burst on the scene talking about how Smash Bros is now a kids game because they'll be adding "a ****ing Minecraft character".

He's absolutely been correct about other games though. It's just, yknow...convenient.

 

[Deleted member]

Piranha plant’s relevancy/popularity was never the major problem people had with it.

 

[SuperSmashLover]

He doesn't.
Seriously do not know why this guy's word is taken as gospel when he hasn't gotten 1 thing right yet.
Because Vergeben says they share some sources? Except that Vergeben also said that his sources don't hear the same things?

Theoretically speaking, if Vergeben came out and said something, would we be obligated to take his word as gospel at this point?
I think everyone needs to relax and give it time until we hear the first character for DLC officially. At that point, we will know which "leakers" are completely wrong.

 

[Luigi The President]

Bandai Namco also own stock in Cygames and they're continually developing THE iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls. I think I even showed Nekoo and DaybreakHorizon during a discussion about this actual financial reports about how iM@S stacks over Granblue. And again, iM@S has the upper hand with Nintendo history, with Dearly Stars on the DS.

Tots I am so confused are we pushing an iM@S rep now

Someone get Nekoo on the case because as far as I recall it was something along the lines of "I haven't heard anything to contradict it".

Like I'm accepting I may be wrong but this guy is not that credible yet. Doubly so if you consider how he burst on the scene talking about how Smash Bros is now a kids game because they'll be adding "a ****ing Minecraft character".

He's absolutely been correct about other games though. It's just, yknow...convenient.

Yeah, I think you're right. That was a big leap. Apologies.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

No one is saying being a generic mook and being obscure are synonymous. Prevalence isn't the issue people take with the character.

I don't know about that, because it does seem to be ''WAAA. GENERIC ENEMY. WAAAAAAA. HE STOLE SPOT FROM -insert character who isn't prevalent or even that iconic-"

I mean I have my issues with him personally. I'm planning to pick him up and love him, but I think it would have been nice to see Toad or Paper Mario at least before him. Or of course Geno, for the fan want of it all.

But as it stands a lot of the complaints I'm seeing do seem to boil down to ''I hate him because I think he's generic and doesn't deserve the spot but -character from dead franchise-, -one off appearance character here- does!"

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What's up? What we talking about?

 

[Deleted member]

do you actually want a character from an idol gacha game in smash bros or are you trying to make a point

because that might be the only thing worse than granblue lady

I'm trying to make a point about how it makes absolutely no sense why they would include Granblue Fantasy in Smash when THE iDOLM@STER would be much easier to negotiate and obtain.

The reactions over at Japan would be absolutely astronomical, if they went with iM@S. I guarantee you they'd probably net $30-50M JUST OFF that DLC set alone if they went with iM@S, that's how huge it is.

Do I want Haruka Amami in Smash? No, but it makes total sense.

 

[Untouch]

Theoretically speaking, if Vergeben came out and said something, would we be obligated to take his word as gospel at this point?
I think everyone needs to relax and give it time until we hear the first character for DLC officially. At that point, we will know which "leakers" are completely wrong.

I have reason to believe that most sources are going to be going to Vergeben at this point.
Personally I didn't believe him at first but I do now.

If Hitagi can get enough right I'll believe him now, but for now all he's gotten right is "a gen 7 pokemon (after vergeben was already saying incineroar)" and "isabelle (after vergeben was already saying isabelle)".

They don't have enough of a track record regarding Smash Bros for me to trust them at the moment.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

What's up? What we talking about?

Piranha Plant murdered everyone's family after slitting their hype's throat.......

Again.

Oh, that Piranha Plant.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ah yes the glorious Piranha Plant. Probably the best thing to had happened after K. Rool and Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know about that, because it does seem to be ''WAAA. GENERIC ENEMY. WAAAAAAA. HE STOLE SPOT FROM -insert character who isn't prevalent or even that iconic-"

I mean I have my issues with him personally. I'm planning to pick him up and love him, but I think it would have been nice to see Toad or Paper Mario at least before him. Or of course Geno, for the fan want of it all.

But as it stands a lot of the complaints I'm seeing do seem to boil down to ''I hate him because I think he's generic and doesn't deserve the spot but -character from dead franchise-, -one off appearance character here- does!"

I’d argue thinking a character is too generic as a character is a perfectly valid complaint/thought.

 

[beans]

do you actually want a character from an idol gacha game in smash bros or are you trying to make a point

because that might be the only thing worse than granblue lady

No, Idolmaster loops on itself and becomes negative 10 on the scale of picks.
Its the perfect Joke character, it shouldnt be possible but its here.
Katalina doesnt go the full way on the scale.
Its like some say: "A bad movie is better than a boring one"

 

[IGuessItsOver]

It sucks to say it but Pirahna Plant was, is and will always be more relevant than Waluigi and Geno, everyone and their mother who Pirahna Plant is.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I’d argue thinking a character is too generic as a character is a perfectly valid complaint/thought.

It literally never has been though from the very start of Smash Bros.

We've had Pokemon and Yoshi from Day One.

There's more than one of Yoshi. There's more than one of Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

How ''generic" was ever a thing baffled me. It baffled me when it came up with Toad, it baffles me when it comes up with Bandana Waddle Dee, it just...

It baffles me.

 

[Flyboy]

I'm trying to make a point about how it makes absolutely no sense why they would include Granblue Fantasy in Smash when THE iDOLM@STER would be much easier to negotiate and obtain.

The reactions over at Japan would be absolutely astronomical, if they went with iM@S. I guarantee you they'd probably net $30-50M JUST OFF that DLC set alone if they went with iM@S, that's how huge it is.

Do I want Haruka Amami in Smash? No, but it makes total sense.

Are you sure the fans wouldn't hate that their faves can get touched by male characters? We are talking about the same kind of fanbase that threatened to kill Kazuchika Okada with throwing knives because he dated a Love Live seiyuu.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

The more I think about it, the more I think Lakitu would be a better choice than Piranha Plant. I think he has better moveset potential and it's more recognizable as an actual character considering there's been one in every Mario Kart game and one with dialogue and sort of plot significance in Mario 64.

 

[Luigi The President]

The more I think about it, the more I think Lakitu would be a better choice than Piranha Plant. I think he has better moveset potential and it's more recognizable as an actual character considering there's been one in every Mario Kart game and one with dialogue and sort of plot significance in Mario 64.

I dunno. I mean one could logically see Lakitu in Smash.
Plant is so fun and exciting now because NO ONE could've seen that.

 

[Bionichute]

It literally never has been though from the very start of Smash Bros.

We've had Pokemon and Yoshi from Day One.

There's more than one of Yoshi. There's more than one of Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

How ''generic" was ever a thing baffled me. It baffled me when it came up with Toad, it baffles me when it comes up with Bandana Waddle Dee, it just...

It baffles me.

yeah but pikachu is a mascot

and jigglypuff is Uh

and greninja is Um

incineroar is

 

[Deleted member]

Are you sure the fans wouldn't hate that their faves can get touched by male characters? We are talking about the same kind of fanbase that threatened to kill Kazuchika Okada with throwing knives because he dated a Love Live seiyuu.

What? Context please? That sounds crazy.

It sucks to say it but Pirahna Plant was, is and will always be more relevant than Waluigi and Geno, everyone and their mother who Pirahna Plant is.

Careful, you'll get crucified for stuff like that.

 

[Zinith]

If anything, Piranha Plant got rid of the "generic enemy" excuse used against the likes of Kamek and Bandana Dee.

 

[beans]

It literally never has been though from the very start of Smash Bros.

We've had Pokemon and Yoshi from Day One.

There's more than one of Yoshi. There's more than one of Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

How ''generic" was ever a thing baffled me. It baffled me when it came up with Toad, it baffles me when it comes up with Bandana Waddle Dee, it just...

It baffles me.

Most of the pokemon are more ... "characterry"
I mean, we can associate something to them, Pikachu has a playfull personality, Incineroar is a wrestler, Lucario is the generic cool silent guy.
It's hard to compare a character with any traits to a mook who never really got anything given to them before.

 

[Luigi The President]

Most of the pokemon are more ... "characterry"
I mean, we can associate something to them, Pikachu has a playfull personality, Incineroar is a wrestler, Lucario is the generic cool silent guy.
It's hard to compare a character with any traits to a mook who never really got anything given to them before.

Smash gave these Pokemon personality.
Like it's giving the Plant personality.

 

[Bionichute]

Most of the pokemon are more ... "characterry"
I mean, we can associate something to them, Pikachu has a playfull personality, Incineroar is a wrestler, Lucario is the generic cool silent guy.
It's hard to compare a character with any traits to a mook who never really got anything given to them before.

yeah because mario games have never given generic enemies personalities before

 

[Tako Tuesday]

Now that I think about it.. I'm a bit disappointed that there's no Splatoon Items at all, so I'm going to share some ideas.

For example, Sprinkler would make a fun item. It spawns on the stage inactive, then a player can pick up and throw it, having it attach to any surface and sprinkle ink to do weak damage to opponents. Basically how it works in Splatoon.

The second idea I had is the Rainmaker. It spawns on the stage in its barrier, and players have to attack the barrier to open it. As players attack it, it keeps growing in size (just like in its own games) and explodes after it takes enough damage. Whoever dealt the final blow will be immune to the explosion, and anyone else will get hurt.

Once the barrier's broken, whoever picks it up can use it to attack by holding the attack button to charge a shot, then unleash it by letting go of the button. A good comparison for its attacks would be the Ore Club, with how you charge up then release a tornado, in this case a tornado of ink.

So what do you think? Any ideas you have for an item that didn't make the cut?