Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SAMation]

So, have we ever found out why the World of Light trailer has more views than both the August and November Directs, and almost gonna be more viewed than the original reveal?

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It might almost reach over 7 million views by the time this game releases. Like, how was this possible? Because we're finally having a semi-story?

It’s like I’ve been telling people, casuals LOVE story mode. Literally it’s the one question I was always asked about smash 4. This might not be subspace emissary levels of story, but it’s enough to entice people to play. This games gonna sell like hot cakes, just you watch.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

This games gonna sell like hot cakes, just you watch.

I truly do wonder if it'll be the biggest selling game of 2018. Wouldn't be surprised. Too bad fighting games normally don't get Game of the Year awards.

 

[Kingslime304]

Welp, I'm done posting pics of any for today. Tomorrow's gonna be Smash related (Like always).

 

[osby]

I truly do wonder if it'll be the biggest selling game of 2018. Wouldn't be surprised. Too bad fighting games normally don't get Game of the Year awards.

If I recall correctly, it's already the best selling game of 2018, just from pre-orders.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Guys sign my petition

This is the most important thing you could do today

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If I recall correctly, it's already the best selling game of 2018, just from pre-orders.

No surprise there.

This, God of War, Spider-Man and Red Dead Redemption 2 definitely feel like nominees for GOTY. My gut tells me either God of War or Red Dead Redemption 2 will win.

 

[Noipoi]

If I recall correctly, it's already the best selling game of 2018, just from pre-orders.

As it should be.

 

[StormC]

Smash Ultimate will take Brawl's title of the highest selling Smash, you can bet on that.

 

[N3ON]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I truly still do believe Bandana Dee and a TH FE character are guarantees. Sora and Rayman are possibilities too. At this point I don't expect Geno but Nintendo can always color me surprise.

 

[StormC]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

I think if they penciled in five characters a while ago, it's a possibility for sure. The CGI sections might not be as extensive as the previous ones (the Simon Belmont one goes on for quite a while), but it can happen. I hope it does.

 

[Zinith]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

The fact that Piranha Plant's trailer wasn't CGi should give you the answer...

 

[Noipoi]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

It's certainly possible, but I think it depends on when they're revealed.
Ultimate's roster was decided in 2015, giving them plenty of time to work on those trailers. The dlc was decided a few days ago. I dunno how long it takes to make one of those cg trailers but I imagine it takes a bit.

If the dlc characters are revealed mid-late 2019 then sure, but if it's revealed in February i'm not so sure.

 

[Idon]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

Well if Nintendo just decided NOW like Sakurai said, I find it really unlikely.

 

[Bionichute]

If Steve gets in and Banjo doesn't, will you get mad at Sakurai?

I will be mad at the faceless corporation called Nintendo

There were only six high-production newcomer trailers

where exactly was this sixth high quality trailer

 

[Noipoi]

I will be mad at the faceless corporation called Nintendo


where exactly was this sixth high quality trailer

1. Inkling
2. Ridley
3. Simon/Richter
4. K Rool
5. Isabelle
6. Ken/Incineroar

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but in case not no as said I'll respect his decision as its his game in the end. Besides anything else at this point is icing on cake since I got K. Rool and Ridley.

Also its a video game in the end. That'd be petty to get mad at.

I wish more Smash fans were like you.

 

[N3ON]

If I recall correctly, it's already the best selling game of 2018, just from pre-orders.

On Amazon, not in general.

Red Dead has already shipped 17 million copies. That's not units sold, but I'd imagine actual sales still provide a very steep obstacle.

Not to mention Pokemon, either.

where exactly was this sixth high quality trailer

Isabelle's was full CG as much as the others, it counts.

 

[Bionichute]

i thought of a better joke

there were six high quality trailers and also isabelle's

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I wish more Smash fans were like you.

Let me just say I used to be among those people. I've grown up since and acknowledge the noob I used to be. Either way that was the past and now I'm moving forward to the present.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I truly still do believe Bandana Dee and a TH FE character are guarantees.

Just like how Shadow, Isaac, and Spring Man were guarantees and there was no way a member of an enemy species would ever become a fighter, right? The way I see it, NOTHING is guaranteed for DLC.

 

[GoeGoe]

a character with such a unique and special design

Sorry dude, That's not true, no matter how much you try sugar coating it.
I'll give you an exact example of how unique, special and appealing should go.. like this..

If you can't tell the difference, then that's on you.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just like how Shadow, Isaac, and Spring Man were guarantees and there was no way a member of an enemy species would ever become a fighter, right? The way I see it, NOTHING is guaranteed for DLC.

Touche.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

It's definitely possible. A few DLC characters in Smash 4 had their own CG trailers, so I would think Nintendo would give Ultimate DLC that same treatment.
Also, we don't know exactly when the DLC was decided, but it's probably safe to say it was sometime this year...

The fact that Piranha Plant's trailer wasn't CGi should give you the answer...

Piranha Plant is still being worked on, plus the trailer was probably intentionally designed and edited that way to subvert our expectations.

 

[StormC]

My two cents on Steve, as someone who doesn't play Minecraft:

Can Sakurai sell this character to people who don't play Minecraft? I've never played any of Simon Belmont's games before his reveal, and I was skeptical leading up to his announcement that he would be a good fit for Smash's third party choices. The trailer completely destroyed any concerns I had with the character and got me excited as hell for his inclusion in the game, and I instantly played the Classicvanias. Many years ago, Snake's inclusion did the same thing. Can Sakurai do that with Steve? Or is Steve the kind of character that only Minecraft fans really like?

If you're gonna add a third party, I think it should be a character with a broad appeal. Minecraft fans like Steve, and there's a lot of Minecraft fans, but how many of those overlap with the Smash userbase? And how can Steve be presented in a way to get people who have never touched Minecraft excited?

You can talk about the game's popularity and success until the cows come home, but we play as characters, not corporate stand-ins. While it's naive to think a game like Smash isn't littered with corporate mascots that help push software, Steve would feel the most transparent of these by far.

"Deserves" or not, as a complete outsider to Minecraft, nothing about Steve excites me. If he gets in, and I think he might, the world won't end, it'll just be another character out of 70+ that I don't care for. Spilled milk in the big scheme of things.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Let me just say I used to be among those people. I've grown up since and acknowledge the noob I used to be. Either way that was the past and now I'm moving forward to the present.

There was a guy on my college campus who hangs out with the group of people who play smash there, and he literally started crying and throwing a fit at the piranha plant reveal. He started saying that sakurai should die and that he's an idiot etc. I don't understand how people can be so angry at a video game. Literally it's a game where Kirby can fight Snake and Cloud. Who cares that your favorite obscure character didn't get into the roster.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There was a guy on my college campus who hangs out with the group of people who play smash there, and he literally started crying and throwing a fit at the piranha plant reveal. He started saying that sakurai should die and that he's an idiot etc. I don't understand how people can be so angry at a video game. Literally it's a game where Kirby can fight Snake and Cloud. Who cares that your favorite obscure character didn't get into the roster.

Well I'm not that guy and I pity him and any person that acts that way. Such people shouldn't even be such fans if that's how they're gonna be. I hope for that guys sake he grows up like how I had. It would definitely save him the embarrassment.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Sorry dude, That's not true, no matter how much you try sugar coating it.

Are you trying to say a blocky avatar wouldn't be unique compared to the rest of the Smash cast? No matter how much you try to deny it, Steve is an iconic character and deserves to get in just as much as many of the other characters people on this forum request.

 

[N3ON]

The fact that Piranha Plant's trailer wasn't CGi should give you the answer...

As a character patched together with the parts of others and offered up free, Piranha Plant being treated with less esteem than the CG-worthy characters across the board indicates more or less that it would be unwise to lean on it as precedent.

Well if Nintendo just decided NOW like Sakurai said, I find it really unlikely.

Characters being now complete and decided now aren't inherently synonymous. One gives a specific timeframe of the decision, the other simply informs that it has been made.

 

[Bionichute]

As a character patched together with the parts of others and offered up free, Piranha Plant being treated with less esteem than the CG-worthy characters across the board indicates more or less that it would be unwise to treat it as precedent.

piranha plant is a completely new character dude/lady/whatever you identify as sry, all his attacks are unique to him

 

[Deleted member]

You know who is currently completely absent within Ultimate and is someone Nintendo was pushing quite a bit for a recent release?

It's his time, boys.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Piranha Plant is love, Piranha Plant is life.

When you get down to it. Piranha Plant is the character no one was asking for that we needed.

 

[Zinith]

piranha plant is a completely new character dude/lady/whatever you identify as sry, all his attacks are unique to him

Plus it'd be up for purchase just like the other DLC characters anyways, so it's just as valuable to get a CG trailer if they were planning on doing those types of trailers for the others...

 

[N3ON]

piranha plant is a completely new character dude/lady/whatever you identify as sry, all his attacks are unique to him

The specials are, and the FS looks to be. Most others seem drawn from moves that have had prior work put into them.

And before anyone misrepresents that to mean it's a clone, I've already addressed that.

Piranha Plant isn't an echo, or even a semi-clone, but to borrow established functions, framing, and groundwork for animation would nevertheless truncate dev time and make sense for a character in this position, whereby he's probably always been ancillary to more priority developments.

They did it for Sonic, and no one is claiming he's a clone, but in Brawl especially you can see the seams of his patchwork creation.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

My two cents on Steve, as someone who doesn't play Minecraft:

Can Sakurai sell this character to people who don't play Minecraft? I've never played any of Simon Belmont's games before his reveal, and I was skeptical leading up to his announcement that he would be a good fit for Smash's third party choices. The trailer completely destroyed any concerns I had with the character and got me excited as hell for his inclusion in the game, and I instantly played the Classicvanias. Many years ago, Snake's inclusion did the same thing. Can Sakurai do that with Steve? Or is Steve the kind of character that only Minecraft fans really like?

If you're gonna add a third party, I think it should be a character with a broad appeal. Minecraft fans like Steve, and there's a lot of Minecraft fans, but how many of those overlap with the Smash userbase? And how can Steve be presented in a way to get people who have never touched Minecraft excited?

You can talk about the game's popularity and success until the cows come home, but we play as characters, not corporate stand-ins. While it's naive to think a game like Smash isn't littered with corporate mascots that help push software, Steve would feel the most transparent of these by far.

"Deserves" or not, as a complete outsider to Minecraft, nothing about Steve excites me. If he gets in, and I think he might, the world won't end, it'll just be another character out of 70+ that I don't care for. Spilled milk in the big scheme of things.

Easily, based on the fact that it's ****ing Minecraft. You know, that one game that's a cultural icon, and is the second best selling video game of all time, only behind Tetris. I assure you there is plenty of overlap with the Smash Bros. userbase, and if Sakurai can sell a ****ing plant to us, he can definitely sell Steve.

 

[Bionichute]

marth is a patchwork version of link because some of his attacks are kinda sorta like some of link's attacks

 

[Idon]

As a character patched together with the parts of others and offered up free, Piranha Plant being treated with less esteem than the CG-worthy characters across the board indicates more or less that it would be unwise to lean on it as precedent.


Characters being now complete and decided now aren't inherently synonymous. One gives a specific timeframe of the decision, the other simply informs that it has been made.

Yeah but "is now complete" implies that it happened at least somewhat recently.
If characters really are releasing throughout the 2019 year, it'd be extremely difficult to produce a CG trailer for the first character in time.

Also, Piranha Plant's defintely not a patchwork character. Its animations had to have been built from the ground up, even if some resemble pre-existing moves. If it was any easier to develop PP, it'd most likely because it's a simplistic cartoon plant that can squash and stretch as needed, without adherence to anatomy.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

You know who is currently completely absent within Ultimate and is someone Nintendo was pushing quite a bit for a recent release?

It's his time, boys.

Funky is cool but I honestly feel like Dixie would finish the core line up of the Dkc characters. I wouldn't mind if they added him along side her or afterwards.

 

[StormC]

Easily, based on the fact that it's ****ing Minecraft. You know, that one game that's a cultural icon, and is the second best selling video game of all time, only behind Tetris.

Obviously. So what about the people who don't play Minecraft? By your example, a Tetris block would be the next best choice.

Heck, there are a lot of people who play Minecraft that don't give two craps about Steve.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's my question. There were only six high-production newcomer trailers this time around. Given both that Smash 4 had about double that, and that Nintendo has seemingly prepared for DLC better this time than last, do you think the high-quality, high-budget trailers are going to continue with the five DLC characters?

Even accounting for a few story-driven trailers, we'd still only be in the realm of the base Smash 4 roster, quantity-wise, if we added the five future DLC characters. I think it's definitely possible.

Since there's a dedicated mode for movies in the Collection section, I'm betting they actually took the time and did a few cutscenes here and there. Not as much to the lengths of Subspace Emissary with how simply abundant they are, but a very good amount that'll sate everyone.

It would explain why characters like Chrom, Daisy and Dark Samus had just regular gameplay and Ken + Incineroar / Simon + Richter in one trailer.