Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Morbi]

It's almost April Fools, where is my tsunami of fake leaks?!

Do you prefer that I patronize you by including Bandana Dee in the leak, or do you want me to make it semi-believable and avoid using him.

 

[Pakky]

You know what else I like about Mania stuff so far, everyone forgot how to talk...

Was that mean?

 

[Danpal65]

It's almost April Fools, where is my tsunami of fake leaks?!

It is already April 1st here in Australia so I can safely tell you from this weird and strange future that, according to the leaks, Ridley will replace Mario as the figure head of the series, Ganondorf is going to become a Little Mac clone and Sonic OCs are going to replace the Mii Fighters. Certainly going to be a weird game

 

[Megadoomer]

Or when edgy characters have even edgier counterparts.

Spoiler

I can't believe you forgot the ultimate examples of even edgier versions of edgelords.

Spoiler

 

[Morbi]

It is already April 1st here in Australia so I can safely tell you from this weird and strange future that, according to the leaks, Ridley will replace Mario as the figure head of the series, Ganondorf is going to become a Little Mac clone and Sonic OCs are going to replace the Mii Fighters. Certainly going to be a weird game

The worst part is, I would deeply prefer Sonic OC replaced Mii Fighters. Not as a joke, not ironically, not because I love Sonic OCs. It is just that I am so utterly abhorred by Mii Fighters that somehow Sonic OCs seem like a viable replacement. You know what, the more I think about it, I would be fine with the whole Ridley replacing Mario and Ganondorf reworked into a Little Mac clone too. Huh...

 

[Danpal65]

The worst part is, I would deeply prefer Sonic OC replaced Mii Fighters. Not as a joke, not ironically, not because I love Sonic OCs. It is just that I am so utterly abhorred by Mii Fighters that somehow Sonic OCs seem like a viable replacement. You know what, the more I think about it, I would be fine with the whole Ridley replacing Mario and Ganondorf reworked into a Little Mac clone too. Huh...

Honestly, they both rub me the wrong way. Sonic OCs just seem really creepy to me, although I do understand that they started as a love for the Sonic series. There is just some really weird sub-culture that developed out of it, especially in places like DevianArt.

Edit: I should clarify that I do not think that there is anything wrong with making Sonic OCs, even sharing them, it is more so the Internet culture around them and the fact that they really do not belong in a game like Smash

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Here's achallenge.

Take each third party series represented in Smash and think of a new stage for each of them.

- Mother Base
- Bayonetta 2's prologue stage (the jet stage)
- Balamb Garden
- Central Highway, Sky Lagoon or Caravan from MMZ4.
- Crisis Cavern? Idk
- Yun/Yang Stage from 3S or Kanzuki Estate (Rooftops?)/Beach or Skies of Honour
- Chemical Plant or Studiopolis Zone

 

[N3ON]

Shadow was more than just an dark and edgy character in his debut appearance in Sonic Adventure 2 since he was also a pretty tragic character.

Most protagonists with some degree of depth are marked by tragedy in their backstory, that doesn't inherently impart them with the standard characteristics of the "dark counterpart".

Look at like any superhero.

Like 90% of characters in Sonic are just "edgy" versions of characters, so much so that they'd make a dodecahedron feel inadequate.

ayyyyy geometry jokes

 

[Danpal65]

ayyyyy geometry jokes

Glad you liked it . I honestly feel a bit out of shape when it comes to making jokes and puns, need more practice

 

[Polan]

So thoughts on Smash Bros. pulling a "surprise motherf*****" at Pax East? Normally I would say to expect nothing, but the game is releasing this year and it's not like Sakurai has a lot of time to reveal stuff. Doesn't have to be a character reveal, just a confirmation that the game is coming or a hint at future news.

 

[Danpal65]

So thoughts on Smash Bros. pulling a "surprise motherf*****" at Pax East? Normally I would say to expect nothing, but the game is releasing this year and it's not like Sakurai has a lot of time to reveal stuff. Doesn't have to be a character reveal, just a confirmation that the game is coming or a hint at future news.

I could see something potentially happening. Like you said it could be a hint of something in the future, maybe a teaser for a Direct or something. I doubt we will get another character reveal until we know a bit more about the game though.

 

[CannonStreak]

So thoughts on Smash Bros. pulling a "surprise motherf*****" at Pax East? Normally I would say to expect nothing, but the game is releasing this year and it's not like Sakurai has a lot of time to reveal stuff. Doesn't have to be a character reveal, just a confirmation that the game is coming or a hint at future news.

I hope there is something. For some reason, though, I doubt it will be anything that big. Maybe a teaser for a Direct like DanpaI65 said, but whatever else it might be, I am not expecting too much.

 

[Chandeelure]

I can't believe you forgot the ultimate examples of even edgier versions of edgelords.

Spoiler

I do know those characters, but I don't play Sonic games, so I forgot about them haha.

 

[Morbi]

So thoughts on Smash Bros. pulling a "surprise motherf*****" at Pax East? Normally I would say to expect nothing, but the game is releasing this year and it's not like Sakurai has a lot of time to reveal stuff. Doesn't have to be a character reveal, just a confirmation that the game is coming or a hint at future news.

They could start by confirming whether or not the game is even a port. It is clearly a new title, but you know, if the majority (?) of the fan-base is confused, clarification never hurts.

 

[Baskerville]

Here's achallenge.

Take each third party series represented in Smash and think of a new stage for each of them.

- Mother Base.
- That prologue stage in Bayo 2.
- Gold Saucer
- Wily Tower
- idk
- Volcanic Rim
- Angel Island Zone

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Speaking of which, this needs to be an alt of Link
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Oh HELL yes!

We NEED this alt in the game. Think of the fanart potential.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh HELL yes!

We NEED this alt in the game. Think of the fanart potential.

And the (less likely) Gerudo and Sheikah costumes.

 

[Radical Bones]

Sonic should totally have a still pixelated Angel Island Zone which transitions between lush and green and orange and on fire.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

And the (less likely) Gerudo and Sheikah costumes.

Even better.

More manservice is what Smash truly needs.

 

[AlphaSSB]

Speaking of which, this needs to be an alt of Link
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It'd actually be pretty cool if all his alternates were costumes from Breath of the Wild

I can see the Default/Champion, Hylian, Snoquill, Zora, Climber, Barbarian, Classic, and the unequipped being his selection of outfits. Don't think it's too likely to happen, though.

If anything, I see four BotW re-colored outfits, and four Classic recolored outfits.

 

[N3ON]

Here’s a question for you lot. Suppose the Switch Pokemon title GF is working on is hypothetically a Gen 1 remake, not Gen 8. Do you think we’d end up with a Gen 7 character still? A Gen 1? Usually remakes don’t mean a ton, but GF does typically push something.

Gen 7 would still be the most recent Gen, but GF wouldn’t really be pushing that Gen over the remake. Without that mandate, Sakurai presumably would be less restricted in the pool he chose from.

I suppose with US/UM being recent, and the current abundance of Gen 1 Pokemon, GF may still opt for representation there, but idk.

What do you think? And this is all under the premise that Sakurai has been privy to this info for the time necessary to have the roster reflect it.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Here’s a question for you lot. Suppose the Switch Pokemon title GF is working on is hypothetically a Gen 1 remake, not Gen 8. Do you think we’d end up with a Gen 7 character still? A Gen 1? Usually remakes don’t mean a ton, but GF does typically push something.

Gen 7 would still be the most recent Gen, but GF wouldn’t really be pushing that Gen over the remake. Without that mandate, Sakurai presumably would be less restricted in the pool he chose from.

I suppose with US/UM being recent, and the current abundance of Gen 1 Pokemon, GF may still opt for representation there, but idk.

What do you think? And this is all under the premise that Sakurai has been privy to this info for the time necessary to have the roster reflect it.

We'd have a Brawl scenario where we get one Pokemon from the remake's generation and one from the current generation.

 

[Lyndis_]

We'd probably get a Gen VII still if they had intended do, since we rarely (if ever, I can't think of any examples but I may be wrong) get remake stuff before newest.

 

[Morbi]

Here’s a question for you lot. Suppose the Switch Pokemon title GF is working on is hypothetically a Gen 1 remake, not Gen 8. Do you think we’d end up with a Gen 7 character still? A Gen 1? Usually remakes don’t mean a ton, but GF does typically push something.

Gen 7 would still be the most recent Gen, but GF wouldn’t really be pushing that Gen over the remake. Without that mandate, Sakurai presumably would be less restricted in the pool he chose from.

I suppose with US/UM being recent, and the current abundance of Gen 1 Pokemon, GF may still opt for representation there, but idk.

What do you think? And this is all under the premise that Sakurai has been privy to this info for the time necessary to have the roster reflect it.

In that scenario, to be completely honest, I would not even give half a **** about Smash. I would just be hyped for a Gen 1 remake on the Switch. That being said, it would refute the "too soon" arguments given that the plan would be easy enough to convey and he could just add Blastoise (or maybe Meowth), realistically. While remakes might not mean much, as the first Pokemon Switch game, it WILL mean a lot. Even if it is just some weird spin-off, everyone is going to remember it.

Generation One is way more popular and with Pokemon GO not being that long ago, I would be surprised and utterly shocked if they pushed a Gen 7 character over an OG.

At the very least, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would definitely return.

 

[Deleted member]

We'd probably get a Gen VII still if they had intended do, since we rarely (if ever, I can't think of any examples but I may be wrong) get remake stuff before newest.

Smash for 3DS had a Gerudo Valley stage based on OoT3D, but that's about it off the top of my head aside from trophies.

 

[Polan]

Decidueye > every other gen 1 pokemon

Also I would be seriously disappointed if we get yet another Gen 1 remake. GF (and the fanbase) **** over Gen 1 way too much and it's honestly tiring at this point. Give me more Gen 3/5 love.

 

[Starcutter]

I think a FE7 stage would be cool, maybe have one based on the Dragon's Gate?

 

[JamesDNaux]

I want you guys to respond to this certain scenario:

1. Rayman gets in Smash Switch's base roster, gets a playstyle of utilizing his limbless body for long range melee fighting.
2. ARMS character is too late in the development cycle to make a unique newcomer out of.
3. So, to compromise, they make Spring Man as a last-minute semi-clone of Rayman.

Problem. It's physically impossible for Spring Man to be a clone of Rayman or vice versa.

Spring Man has spring arms, Rayman has... no arms.


A likely gimmick for Rayman's moveset would be to have his jab and nair throw out his fist the same way it works in his original game. Part of the combat in the game is to position yourself so the fist hits the enemy on the way back.

 

[IronTed]

Decidueye > every other gen 1 pokemon

Also I would be seriously disappointed if we get yet another Gen 1 remake. GF (and the fanbase) **** over Gen 1 way too much and it's honestly tiring at this point. Give me more Gen 3/5 love.

This. Let's not forget Sun and Moon were the anniversary games, with a lot of gen 1 fanservice. Gen 4 remakes seems far more likely right now.

As far as newcomers go, it's hard to say what gen gets represented this Smash. If Pokemon Switch is 2019 than I would expect a gen 7 newcomer with a gen 8 newcomer as DLC down the road.

But if Pokemon Switch releases within a few months of Smash, it's harder to say. But gen 7 seems more likely based on when the games were in development.

 

[Arcadenik]

Here’s a question for you lot. Suppose the Switch Pokemon title GF is working on is hypothetically a Gen 1 remake, not Gen 8. Do you think we’d end up with a Gen 7 character still? A Gen 1? Usually remakes don’t mean a ton, but GF does typically push something.

Gen 7 would still be the most recent Gen, but GF wouldn’t really be pushing that Gen over the remake. Without that mandate, Sakurai presumably would be less restricted in the pool he chose from.

I suppose with US/UM being recent, and the current abundance of Gen 1 Pokemon, GF may still opt for representation there, but idk.

What do you think? And this is all under the premise that Sakurai has been privy to this info for the time necessary to have the roster reflect it.

Gen 1 remake plus certain Pokemon from later games (the ones that evolve into or from Gen 1 Pokemon such as Pichu and Sylveon) would be nice. Hell, it could even be a sequel to Gen 1. Same region, same starters, but 20 years later starring Red’s kids.

 

[Superyoshiom]

I was never too big on Rayman being in the game but I kind of want him in now since it ensures Rabbids won't be a character

 

[Arcadenik]

In that scenario, to be completely honest, I would not even give half a **** about Smash. I would just be hyped for a Gen 1 remake on the Switch. That being said, it would refute the "too soon" arguments given that the plan would be easy enough to convey and he could just add Blastoise AND Meowth, realistically. While remakes might not mean much, as the first Pokemon Switch game, it WILL mean a lot. Even if it is just some weird spin-off, everyone is going to remember it.

Generation One is way more popular and with Pokemon GO not being that long ago, I would be surprised and utterly shocked if they pushed a Gen 7 character over an OG.

At the very least, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would definitely return.

Fixed.

That’s what we we need.

 

[Starcutter]

I think we need a bigger ratio between gen 1 pokemon and non gen 1 pokemon

In the past, total pokemon we have had were:
6 gen 1 pokemon
1 gen 2 pokemon
1 gen 4 pokemon
1 gen 6 pokemon

If they cut Lucario or Greninja I'd really hate the overpopulation of gen 1 pokemon in smash. It's just not a good feeling.

 

[Chiroz]

I think we need a bigger ratio between gen 1 pokemon and non gen 1 pokemon

In the past, total pokemon we have had were:
6 gen 1 pokemon
1 gen 2 pokemon
1 gen 4 pokemon
1 gen 6 pokemon

If they cut Lucario or Greninja I'd really hate the overpopulation of gen 1 pokemon in smash. It's just not a good feeling.

I think you guys view this term Gens wrong.

Pikachu and Mewtwo should definitely not be considered ONLY Gen 1. Considering them "Gen 1" is like me saying that Zelda has too much Zelda 1 representation and nothing from other games, it doesn't make that much sense.

I would say Pikachu and Mewtwo and even Charizard, albeit to a much smaller extent, should probably be considered trans-generational or inter-generational or whatever the term would be.



Since Squirtle and Ivysaur were both cut, there really isn't that much "Gen 1" representation, it's Puff and Zard. But to be honest even that comparison is wrong. Pokemon are just Pokemon, they don't get added due to "Gen" they get added due to popularity.

LOOK AT THE CHOICES. I would say aside from Pichu and Ivysaur, every single one of the 7 other playable Pokemons would make it in a top 20 most iconic Pokemon of all time (although I will give you that Puff has definitely fallen out of grace since back when she was extremely popular).

 

[Yonder]

I think we need a bigger ratio between gen 1 pokemon and non gen 1 pokemon

In the past, total pokemon we have had were:
6 gen 1 pokemon
1 gen 2 pokemon
1 gen 4 pokemon
1 gen 6 pokemon

If they cut Lucario or Greninja I'd really hate the overpopulation of gen 1 pokemon in smash. It's just not a good feeling.

Well Squirtle and Ivysaur (sadly, Ivysaur was so unique) are gone now. There are no pokemon more iconic than Pikachu, Zard, and Mewtwo so they should all return. Jigglypuff will never leave again at this point cause O12.

Lucario should stay too. Idk about Greninja bit if he returns I wouldn't care much.

 

[Superyoshiom]

I'm still on the boat that we should bring back Pokemon Trainer and give him Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur with no stamina mechanic. It'd be awesome.

 

[Pakky]

Problem. It's physically impossible for Spring Man to be a clone of Rayman or vice versa.

Spring Man has spring arms, Rayman has... no arms.


A likely gimmick for Rayman's moveset would be to have his jab and nair throw out his fist the same way it works in his original game. Part of the combat in the game is to position yourself so the fist hits the enemy on the way back.

Also Rayman has DBZ blasts and other cool stuff. Springman can't do that.

I'm still on the boat that we should bring back Pokemon Trainer and give him Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur with no stamina mechanic. It'd be awesome.

The reason why I'm not really a fan of transformation characters is that essentially you have two or more incomplete guys.

 

[IronTed]

I think we need a bigger ratio between gen 1 pokemon and non gen 1 pokemon

In the past, total pokemon we have had were:
6 gen 1 pokemon
1 gen 2 pokemon
1 gen 4 pokemon
1 gen 6 pokemon

If they cut Lucario or Greninja I'd really hate the overpopulation of gen 1 pokemon in smash. It's just not a good feeling.

Not all generations are created equal. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are extremely popular, just like Lucario and Greninja. Even the Puff was pretty popular (or at least well-known) back in the day.

 

[Starcutter]

I just hate how there's a lot of cool pokemon from other generations that never got shown off in smash, despite more gen 1 pokemon being added in brawl.

Charizard is overrated AF, by the way. Mewtwo and Pikachu are the only good gen 1 pokemon for smash in my eyes. If any of the other ones weren't in smash I doubt people would be supporting Puff or Charizard as much as they do now. (not that they don't have their own merit though. The fact that they are in smash now kinda makes them more important than they truely are.)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I was never too big on Rayman being in the game but I kind of want him in now since it ensures Rabbids won't be a character

Ubisoft effectively treats them as their own series. It really doesn't ensure anything at all. It's obvious they would push Rabbids as playable, and Rayman still has a fair chance of being playable. Seeing them both is honestly pretty believable at this point. Though if they don't become playable, they'd make excellent Mii Costumes, as they got weapons/options from the various games that fit well.

Only thing I can see keeping them out is either the companies not cooperating(Rayman and the Rabbids being an overall package deal would make sense, and Nintendo/Sakurai not wanting to have both playable could happen) or moveset potential for the Rabbids not being good enough(which still makes the Mii Costumes a good workaround, if Ubisoft would be willing to do that).