Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Graizen]

Isn't Tamagotchi a Namco Bandai thingy ?

Yes it is!
Thats were Digimon was born!

 

[Androobie]

Just gonna leave this here with absolutely no context, because frankly, context is not needed.

 

[Guynamednelson]

To get a Glaceon do you have to leave it in the freezer?

Can't be worse than the way you acquire Flareon.

 

[Keyblader_Of_Smash]

And now, today on "Stuff Fandoms Say," it's an entirely new feature; a shiny new

SCREENCAP!
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Honestly, guys? I have no words for something like this. The excess exclamation points, the poor grammar and punctuation here and there, the misinformation, urging people to not buy the game - this demonstrates the value of taking the good with the bad. It's a hilariously laughable rant that showcases the true spirit of fans who aren't fans at all, and reminds us all that we're happy that we're not this poor schlub.
Do you guys have any snaps or screens of fans of this calibur? Post them here, and we can laugh at the dark side of the base together as one.​

Oh yeah I recognize that guy, it's kinda sad honestly. You'd think people would have something better to do with their time. I said this before but I'm sure everyone is dissappointed the Grinch leak wasn't true but it is what it is. I'm happy we got Ken, Piranha Plant and Incineroar (Who is easily shaping up to be in my personal Top 3 with K. Rool and Inkling.). Whats even more funny to think about is the fact that fans like this will still buy the game anyways.

 

[Deleted member]

Just gonna leave this here with absolutely no context, because frankly, context is not needed.

Aaaaand the game is 99/10 now.

 

[Mewtader]

Does anyone know if this is real?

 

[The_Naraotor]

Yes it is!
Thats were Digimon was born!

If we get Agumon I would be "mind blowned" that said I would be very curious to see a fusion between Agumon and Pikachu lol

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah. I can throw that here, since y'all are free to believe me or not.
And Apparently it's not a big Problem to share that.

The talk for some Spirits to get added. At least for one third party company that I know someone in. (Which is easy to guess if you ever remember some of my post about U-) was actually pretty late after a certain game got it's greenlight.
Take it as you will since it's just what said person heard-

I'm interested.

Are you saying you know of a 3rd Party representation through Spirits?

And it's actually laughable and sad-
Which hurt my soul as a Square-Enix fan

RPGs wouldn't be half of what they are were it not for DQ. People like to mention FF as the genre's savior but you couldn't save anything if it didn't exist in the first place.

That's not what they said, though.

They said the Dragon Quest Heroes aren't as easy to recognize than Geno. Slime is more recognizable than both.

I don't agree with this, that said. I'd say Geno is the least recognizable, but what he does have going for him is clear fan demand and that Sakurai wants him in. Clearly it didn't get him into base, so it might not mean that much anyway.

However, no Hero has gotten into a crossover before, so that may play a role too.

I don't even know any specific DQ character designs, nor have I ever played a DQ game. But I could instantly say "yeah, that's DQ" because Akira Toriyama's artstyle is more recognisable than Geno ever will.
Sure, Slime is iconic on its own, but to undersell the MCs is just silly.

You mean the community who thougth two random chairs in the background of a video presentation were hinting at a character?

Yeah, I don't know what I expected.

 

[Deleted member]

I made some remixes:
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[The_Naraotor]

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Does anyone know if this is real?

Photoshoped I'll say because I see some trace of green that don't fit together.

 

[Flyboy]

Just gonna leave this here with absolutely no context, because frankly, context is not needed.

I love that it's confirmed the entire SFII OST is in the game. Ryu's classic mode sounds so sick.

 

[KMDP]

Eh, I guess it wouldn't hurt to...

What an interesting choice of words...


I don't doubt it...

Alright Graizen put me on the support list

Speaking of Agumon colours, there are three canon colour variations.

Spoiler: Images

Agumon, Agumon (Black) and SnowAgumon.

There are a few more Agumon variations, like Agumon Hakase (Basically "Dr. Agumon") and Bushi Agumon (an Agumon dressed as a Samurai), along with ToyAgumon (an Agumon made of Lego). There are black variations of Agumon Hakase and ToyAgumon as well.

Spoiler: More images

ToyAgumon is much too different from regular Agumon, and the other two are... rare instances, to say the least.

There's also a "SantaAgumon", but that's never appeared outside of the V-Pets and therefore has no artwork that isn't pixel art.

Basically, we'd at the very least get the three basic Agumon variations, along with Blue, Green and Red versions for Team Smash. The blue variation might be Navy Blue, because that's the colouration of the Virus attribute Greymon and MetalGreymon.

This still leaves two slots... which could be the 2006 Agumon and Agumon X.

 

[Thinkaman]

Mewtwo was announced about a month before Smash for Wii U came out, sort of like Piranha Plant, and released after 5 months. (PP is way more complete though.)

Lucas was announced/shown over 4 months after the release of Smash 4 Wii U, and released after 7 months. This makes sense, as this is about how long the character pipeline is. Keep in mind that Lucas and to a lesser extent Mewtwo & Roy were easier/faster to make than fully new character.



I expect Piranha Plant in February, based on the footage we have seen. I expect the first DLC character to be announced/shown 3-4 months after release, and release 6 months after.

I do not think they will announce a character without showing gameplay footage, and they cannot do that until the character is well into development.

 

[KingBroly]

Mewtwo was announced about a month before Smash for Wii U came out, sort of like Piranha Plant, and released after 5 months. (PP is way more complete though.)

Lucas was announced/shown over 4 months after the release of Smash 4 Wii U, and released after 7 months. This makes sense, as this is about how long the character pipeline is. Keep in mind that Lucas and to a lesser extent Mewtwo & Roy were easier/faster to make than fully new character.

I expect Piranha Plant in February, based on the footage we have seen. I expect the first DLC character to be announced/shown 3-4 months after release, and release 6 months after.

I do not think they will announce a character without showing gameplay footage, and they cannot do that until the character is well into development.

They don't have to do 2 versions this time of each piece of DLC, though. Considering we also got Tournament mode, it's possible we could get a mode as DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo was announced about a month before Smash for Wii U came out, sort of like Piranha Plant, and released after 5 months. (PP is way more complete though.)

Lucas was announced/shown over 4 months after the release of Smash 4 Wii U, and released after 7 months. This makes sense, as this is about how long the character pipeline is. Keep in mind that Lucas and to a lesser extent Mewtwo & Roy were easier/faster to make than fully new character.



I expect Piranha Plant in February, based on the footage we have seen. I expect the first DLC character to be announced/shown 3-4 months after release, and release 6 months after.

I do not think they will announce a character without showing gameplay footage, and they cannot do that until the character is well into development.

Iirc when they announced Mewtwo it was just his render though, right?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I don't even know any specific DQ character designs, nor have I ever played a DQ game. But I could instantly say "yeah, that's DQ" because Akira Toriyama's artstyle is more recognisable than Geno ever will.
Sure, Slime is iconic on its own, but to undersell the MCs is just silly.

Right. Was just pointing out that it's not as simple as you put it as. He wasn't talking about the franchise or artstyle specifically. Just that in his opinion, Geno is more recognizable than any specific DQ Hero.

I disagree with his statement, for the record.

 

[Nekoo]

Are you saying you know of a 3rd Party representation through Spirits?

I guess I can just be clear after asking to my friends since that kind of discussion went free after the direct aired.
It's one that everyone saw. The Rabbits one/Ubisoft.
The talk to put them in smash was after StarLink got the Star Fox licence/Mario + Rabbits visible sucess...which was pretty late, like, last year-

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Look I'll play with you Nekoo that those 11 million viewers were mostly casual gamers (they weren't in my opinion and I think you know those people weren't either)...

It certainly doesn't help your case when you look at the announcements at the VGAS Nintendo has done...

Outside of Breath of the Wild recently?

Do you think they were really going after a casual audience revealing Cranky Kong for Donkey Kong, Bayonetta ports, Bayonetta 3, etc?

Nah. Those are die hard Nintendo fan type announcements.

In fact if any casual viewers DID turn in last year for an announcement, considering the juggernaut it was?

It was Fortnite's and then they probably tuned out. I'd wager there was a spike of viewership for Fortnite's announcement and would actually be interested in seeing if that's the case.

 

[KMDP]

I think I saw a spirit of Zack if my sight and memory don't deceive me

I'd hope Zack was in as a Spirit, considering it's one of the easiest Spirit Battle ideas.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

In regards to the VGA, it's pretty simple, if they show a DLC character there it'll be the first one they started development on, regardless of whether it's an obscure character like Geno or an icon like Slime. They're not going to shift around development because of an award show either, the many different 3rd party licenses that are likely to be handled during DLC means there are too many variables in order to adjust themselves to something like that, not least to mention that the priority list for the DLC characters was likely decided on long ago.

Whatever is furthest in development will be shown, where and how it's shown is not going to have a great effect on who it is imo. People are going to be hype anyways, I really think there are some who underestimate how easily hype spreads from the core Smash community and into the wider gaming community, it's much easier to get obscure characters to be popular among the masses than it is to get the core community on board with primarily casual friendly additions, a name trending on Twitter is sometimes enough.

That's not to say it's going to be Geno or whatever, I just don't think you can read much from the situation. I quite frankly don't really care enough to try and guess who might be shown at the VGA, or if anyone is even shown at all, because Ultimate is coming out the day after, so that one newcomer is going to be overshadowed a lot by the 74 characters I'll have access to some hours later. (That's not to say others shouldn't care though, I hope they do, it's just to say I'm not really on any character's side.)

 

[Deleted member]

Look I'll play with you Nekoo that those 11 million viewers were mostly casual gamers (they weren't in my opinion and I think you know those people weren't either)...

It certainly doesn't help your case when you look at the announcements at the VGAS Nintendo has done...

Outside of Breath of the Wild recently?

Do you think they were really going after a casual audience revealing Cranky Kong for Donkey Kong, Bayonetta ports, Bayonetta 3, etc?

Nah. Those are die hard Nintendo fan type announcements.

In fact if any casual viewers DID turn in last year for an announcement, considering the juggernaut it was?

It was Fortnite's and then they probably tuned out. I'd wager there was a spike of viewership for Fortnite's announcement and would actually be interested in seeing if that's the case.

Do you genuinely believe that all casual audiences would like to see out of the Game Awards is Fortnite????

 

[Thinkaman]

They don't have to do 2 versions this time of each piece of DLC, though. Considering we also got Tournament mode, it's possible we could get a mode as DLC.

That's not nearly as big of a development multiplier as you seem to suggest.

Tournament mode also had minimal impact on or shared resources with the character pipeline, and was announced/shown/mostly finished at the time of the 50-fact presentation.

Iirc when they announced Mewtwo it was just his render though, right?

Yeah, I mentioned that PP is way farther along. That's why I expect him (her? it?) in Feb, not April.



Informing all of these thoughts is that the projected development duration posted for the Fighter's Pass--15 months--is the same as the total duration for Smash 4's DLC development. (While Smash 4 got 4 new fighters, 3 returning fighters, 4 new stages, and 4 returning stages, Smash Ultimate is getting 5 new fighters, 0 returning fighters, 5 new stages, and 0 returning stages.)

 

[FalcoXP]

Good morning y'all!

All good? All fine? Im happy for you.

VGA? When is that? last week of november?

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning y'all!

All good? All fine? Im happy for you.

VGA? When is that? last week of november?

December 6th, a day before Smash

 

[Megadoomer]

Good morning y'all!

All good? All fine? Im happy for you.

VGA? When is that? last week of november?

December 6th, the day before Smash Bros. comes out.

'd

 

[Deleted member]

I think it’s funny you guys think you understand the casual audience and award ceremonies. Award ceremonies are outdated and not ratings grabbers for any medium much anymore. They’re dying out.

And you know why? Even diehards are tunining out of them and that’s who mainly watches them.

This pertain to the VGAs as well. Joe Blo Average Gamer who comes home and plays maybe an hour or two of gaming before bed everynight doesn’t care about the VGAs.

Just like he doesn’t care about if Meryl Streep is gonna win her 900th Oscar.

So yeah. Award ceremonies are for diehard audiences. The notion they are anything but is laughable if you look at their recent struggles to maintain an audience.

I'm gonna talk about the Oscar thing because, while I can't argue for VGA, I can say that example is a load of bull****.
Oscars are certainly not dying in the general public, it's still what they use to see what are the "really good movies" and I had teachers back in High School telling us to watch them even though they had nothing to do with their classes. Oscars are still a big event to basically anyone who watches movies and even if you hate them for any number of reasons(like almost everyone studying film) you still watch those for the fact they're still considered an authority in the film industry.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Do you genuinely believe that all casual audiences would like to see out of the Game Awards is Fortnite????

No, but a majority of 2017's game announcements were specifically not catered to them. There weren't many mega watt franchises that they're going to instantly recognize. It was a lot of smaller IPs and new ones.

And that tends to be a typical trend with the VGAs, because they're mostly catered to a die hard gaming audience, because that is who Knightley can guarantee is actually gonna sit down and invest time in watching a majority of the ceremony.

A casual gamer might sit down for like 20 minutes sure, but you're not gonna grasp him with ''And Nintendo wins for -x award here-" because he's just playing video games to play video games for a few hours for fun.

It's not like a major investment of his life.

So you get your viewers through your die hards and the announcements catered towards them.

 

[Untouch]

I've noticed some people (okay I've said this before I'll admit) say that a DQ character won't be revealed at the VGAs, but wouldn't this be the best time?
Japan is going to be interested in the character regardless of where it is announced, but the West won't. Announcing it at a primarily Western focused event would get the attention of people that would probably have ignored it otherwise.

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

Ultimate now has a ledge grab limit! After 4 grabs, the ledge will stop functioning for you. You will just fall, and die. Pathetically.
Thoughts?

wtf???? this is really disappointing.... please tell me it's optional

 

[Gks1]

I don't get it. Is Sakurai supposed to be at TGA or something?

@Hisry

About ****ing time there's a ledge grab limit, lol


Smooth Criminal

Is possible that they show something in TGA, the first DLC maybe.

 

[Graizen]

My DLC predictions:

Crash, Agumon, Sora, Banjo and Steve

 

[Deleted member]

wtf???? this is really disappointing.... please tell me it's optional

Who even lurks at the ledge that long in the first place

The game is trying to get you to play offensively not defensively, hence dodging being nerfed and such. Ledge regrabbing over and over is stupid anyways

 

[Zinith]

loves it when someone asks a question a billion users on here can answer in a split second...

 

[Untouch]

I don't get it. Is Sakurai supposed to be at TGA or something?

@Hisry

About ****ing time there's a ledge grab limit, lol


Smooth Criminal

The rumour is that he was receiving an award at the VGAs.
I don't think it's been confirmed or denied yet.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I think it’s funny you guys think you understand the casual audience and award ceremonies. Award ceremonies are outdated and not ratings grabbers for any medium much anymore. They’re dying out.

And you know why? Even diehards are tunining out of them and that’s who mainly watches them.

This pertain to the VGAs as well. Joe Blo Average Gamer who comes home and plays maybe an hour or two of gaming before bed everynight doesn’t care about the VGAs.

I consider myself a hardcore gaming man and I wish I had two hours before bed every night.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm gonna talk about the Oscar thing because, while I can't argue for VGA, I can say that example is a load of bull****.
Oscars are certainly not dying in the general public, it's still what they use to see what are the "really good movies" and I had teachers back in High School telling us to watch them even though they had nothing to do with their classes. Oscars are still a big event to basically anyone who watches movies and even if you hate them for any number of reasons(like almost everyone studying film) you still watch those for the fact they're still considered an authority in the film industry.

Explain that to their ratings and struggle to find a new identity.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/abc-oscar-changes-ratings-popular-film-1202899515/
http://fortune.com/2018/03/05/oscars-ratings-academy-awards-viewership/
https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2018/03/05/oscar-ratings-plummet-to-all-time-low.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/business/media/academy-awards-ratings-viewership-abc.html

The past few years they've struggled to have an actual audience and keep new viewers because the younger generation and even the older are tired of the Hollywood pat on the back to one another.

I mean I can find more articles if you like. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Deleted member]

My DLC predictions:

Crash, Agumon, Sora, Banjo and Steve

Rayman will probably be in Banjo's place purely because they probably wouldn't add two DLC characters from the same third-party company.
I hate that Steve's more likely than Banjo too, but Lord Vergeben has spoken.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

The rumour is that he was receiving an award at the VGAs.
I don't think it's been confirmed or denied yet.

A rumor by whom?

 

[The_Naraotor]

My DLC predictions:

Crash, Agumon, Sora, Banjo and Steve

Mine is Steve, Sora, Sylux, Lara Croft and Agumon

 

[Untouch]

A rumor by whom?

The dreaded... LeakyPandy.