Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[The Original Robot boy]

The main thing I'm curious about is why larger series like Metroid or Fire Emblem only have one stage, while smaller ones like F-Zero and EarthBound have multiple.

That's a good question why is that a thing? I mean the'res potential with the fire emblem and Metriod stages I'd like to see

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The point is that the only argument against K Rool in Smash currently is "hes not relevant anymore." Once they add him in a new DKC game, that argument is gone. He's high in demand. He'd have one of the most unique movesets I could think of for a newcomer, and hes a likeable villain from one of Nintendos most successful franchises. Making him relevant again only makes his case for Smash more rock solid.

There's also the argument that he's not a potentially interesting fighter. You could make a move set for anyone and it can be full of moves that nobody else has, but that doesn't mean the move set is interesting.

Don't get me wrong. I am a K. Rool supporter, but his lack of bringing anything new to the table is why I'm honestly skeptical of his inclusion.

The last Smash game had a bigger focus on newcomers that REALLY brought something unique. There was Little Mac, a super powerful clobber monster with a pathetic recovery. There was Rosalina who was a puppeteer. Greninja had water/ninja hybrid attacks. Robin had weapon durability. Shulk could change his own stats. Bowser Jr rode a vehicle.

Basically traits that no other character has. I'm not saying you can't make King K. Rool unique. I'm just saying I have a part of me that acknowledges he's not the ripest fighter for the plucking. And his ten year absence makes that worse. The best I can see is him having a pirate arsenal, but at that point he'd just be Kaptain K. Rool.

 

[Morbi]

I made a post a few days ago, but I'm sure the ballot will have a heavy influence on Smash. I mean looking at past polls like the one for Melee, 10/14 of the games newcomers did well on the polling. (Roy wasn't even known at the time). I feel the ballot is going to give us very popular characters like Ridley, K Rool, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Wolf.

If you ask me, the ballot was more for this game, than the last. They could just have the ballot "winner" in Smash 4 and keep the data for future villain-y.

There's also the argument that he's not a potentially interesting fighter. You could make a move set for anyone and it can be full of moves that nobody else has, but that doesn't mean the move set is interesting.

Don't get me wrong. I am a K. Rool supporter, but his lack of bringing anything new to the table is why I'm honestly skeptical of his inclusion.

The last Smash game had a bigger focus on newcomers that REALLY brought something unique. There was Little Mac, a super powerful clobber monster with a pathetic recovery. There was Rosalina who was a puppeteer. Greninja had water/ninja hybrid attacks. Robin had weapon durability. Shulk could change his own stats. Bowser Jr rode a vehicle.

Basically traits that no other character has. I'm not saying you can't make King K. Rool unique. I'm just saying I have a part of me that acknowledges he's not the ripest fighter for the plucking. The best I can see is him having a pirate arsenal, but at that point he'd just be Captain K. Rool.

That is a poor argument because it is subjective and applies to literally every character. It is especially bad because most people cite his potential as a positive, you would look tone-deaf arguing that in addition to it just being counter-intuitive.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Mario Baseball isn't the same thing as Smash Bros. Not even close to the same thing.

If the point you're making is that two main characters of the Donkey Kong Country series would be "bottom of the barrel" in Smash because they were low choices in Mario Baseball, a series in which they aren't typically from, then there's a disconnect there.

One is a main character in two of the original trilogy, as well as playable in DKCTF. That would be Dixie. K.Rool was the main villain in the original trilogy and 64. In context to Donkey Kong, they're both pretty important or iconic.

The reason they were at the bottom of Mario Baseball was not because they are "bottom of the barrel", but because they were outranked by other Mario characters. Simple as that.

As far as the Kong characters appearing in Baseball games:

• DK: both games
• Diddy: both games
• Dixie: both games
• Funky: MSS only
• Tiny: MSS only
• K. Rool: MSS only
• Kritters: MSS only

In other Mario games

• DK: Too many to list
• Diddy: First appeared in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour. Appears in most sports games and is playable in two Mario Kart games. Appears (but not playable) in two Mario Party games and is playable in another.
• Dixie: Mario Hoops 3-on-3
• Funky: Mario Kart Wii
• Tiny: None
• K. Rool: Only gets a passing mention in Odyssey as the name of a street in New Dino City
• Kritters: Mario Power Tennis, both Strikers games

Of the following (besides Dixie), I could definitely see Funky added to the list of playables, as well as K. Rool due to his iconic status amongst Nintendo villains. The others, not really.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

I know one thing after the release of Hyrule Warriors I see plenty material Sakurai can use for the Zelda series characters in smash especially my gurl Tetra, and also Ganondorf can finally get out of Captian falcons shadow, that is if Sakurai actually uses it.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

None of the DK characters are owned by Rare or Microsoft. Nintendo has full ownership of them. Diddy has been used very often. Dixie and Funky show up from time to time. Kremlings and K Rool pop up every now and then. Even Tiny and Lanky have made appearances in post Rareware games like Barrel Blast.

The only Kong thats been kinda left behind is Chunky Kong (he's dead).

Rare did do a mail Q&A thing a while back about Chunky and reassured hes still Nintendo's 100%

Speak of the devil, I just listed all I could when it came to the Kongs’ appearances in Mario games!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Anyway, on the top of my head I can think of a good chunk of characters that could be added without, in my opinion, looking like it's the bottom of the barrel.

Decidueye
Ice Climbers
Rex (& Pyra)
Dillon
Wolf
Dixie Kong
K.Rool (I don't think he will be added, but I still don't think this would be a bottom barrel choice)
A Reworked Zelda (BOTW Zelda in place of TP Zelda)
Spring Man
Bandana Dee
Isabelle
Tom Nook
A practical Metroid character (Sylux or...a spoilery dude potentially) (this isn't to say Ridley isn't practical, but I personally am not entirely convinced, and I'm somebody who thinks a PRACTICALLY working Ridley would be great)

Now, things will be bottom barrel if we literally start adding characters that don't meet the "personality" aspect of Sakurai's criteria. Basically, not a character that can be mixed with thousands of others and not be found. In other words, different species from a game. This means Koopa Troopa, Space Pirate, Kremling/Tropical Freeze dudes, etc...The obvious exception to this is Pokemon, because it's Pokemon. The series is based on the different monsters, so it's different from taking a typical Mario enemy and putting them into Smash.

Overall, I think there's a point at which the game will be running out of good option, but we're not entirely there yet. But maybe that is when it should turn into a "game as a platform" kinda like Overwatch but not too much. If that makes any sense anyway.

There's a few other characters you can get to without scraping the bottom of the barrel.

• Balloon Fighter
• Exitebike
• Captain Toad
• Paper Mario
• Poipole
• Rhythm Heaven
• Andross

With the exception of those two retros, these are all highly relevant characters since 2015. And they all bring completely unique character traits.

 

[Morbi]

I know one thing after the release of Hyrule Warriors I see plenty material Sakurai can use for the Zelda series characters in smash especially my gurl Tetra, and also Ganondorf can finally get out of Captian falcons shadow, that is if Sakurai actually uses it.

That is the rub, is it not? Sakurai is not going to actually use any of that potential. Legend of Zelda is perhaps the least touched franchise, in-game, which is probably why everyone was freaking out over Breath of the Wild Link. They could make a Legend of Zelda fighting game and have tons of great characters. But he seems fixated on duplicates of the Triforce wielders and purposely misrepresenting Ganondorf.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Could Donkey Kong Jr. be a retro character for Smash Switch?

 

[ColietheGoalie]

I however can understand Steve from Minecraft. He actually does have some moveset potential

Like WHAT?? Has anyone actually come up with a moveset for him. His entire in-game person consists of stilted jumps and swinging one arm

All things considered, that seems like it's way too limiting as far as third parties are concerned. I'm not saying that they should go completely overboard with third party characters, but Nintendo's finally gotten some goodwill back with third party developers after most of them more-or-less ignored the Wii U, and it seems like such a waste to not use that to their advantage. Even one or two more than what we got in Smash 4 could help convince people to get a Switch, or draw in people who don't normally play Smash Bros. for whatever reason.

I'm not sure it's actually that big of a draw though. It get people talking, but to actually go buy a console?

I mean, I never went and bought consoles because Mortal Kombat or Soul Caliber got Star Wars characters or the Alien. If people already own a Switch, there's a good chance they buy Smash. If they haven't been convinced to get one thus far, I'm not sure Steve from Minecraft is going to make them rush out and buy a $300 console plus game. My point I guess is that people who are interesting in/buying Smash are going to buy it regardless of Third-Party guests, and people with no interest likely won't be turned. The only possible crowd are the Switch owners with no interest in Smash, but that doesn't seem like a large demographic to me.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

That is the rub, is it not? Sakurai is not going to actually use any of that potential. Legend of Zelda is perhaps the least touched franchise, in-game, which is probably why everyone was freaking out over Breath of the Wild Link. They could make a Legend of Zelda fighting game and have tons of great characters. But he seems fixated on duplicates of the Triforce wielders and purposely misrepresenting Ganondorf.

I know lol sadly i've got friends who call him Captain Ganon too which is pretty sad but hey who knows Sakurai is a very unpredictable guy.

 

[Cosmic77]

That is the rub, is it not? Sakurai is not going to actually use any of that potential. Legend of Zelda is perhaps the least touched franchise, in-game, which is probably why everyone was freaking out over Breath of the Wild Link. They could make a Legend of Zelda fighting game and have tons of great characters. But he seems fixated on duplicates of the Triforce wielders and purposely misrepresenting Ganondorf.

I'm still betting on that BotW newcomer. If Link is trading in his green outfit for a less iconic look, then I feel like that's a sign of some pretty major changes.

Different designs for the existing characters at the least, and a brand new character at the most. Either way, it's pretty exciting.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Could Donkey Kong Jr. be a retro character for Smash Switch?

I'm surprised he wasn't in Melee as a smaller DK Clone. I still think he deserves to be in this coming game.

 

[GolisoPower]

Like WHAT?? Has anyone actually come up with a moveset for him. His entire in-game person consists of stilted jumps and swinging one arm

Well, Minecraft is about building things with countless blocks, so here's the idea:

His jab, tilts and aerials do only 4-8% damage, but places down a block that serves as a destructible platform. With this, Steve could potentially build a separate destructible platform, a wall to block projectiles and attacks, and even extend the base stage for recovery.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'd like to see Captain Toad becoming small after excessive damage as his gimmick. That'd be pretty neat.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Could Donkey Kong Jr. be a retro character for Smash Switch?

Isn't Donkey Kong jr baiscally Donkey Kong? and Cranky Kong being the original Donkey Kong???

 

[TheLastJinjo]

As far as the Kong characters appearing in Baseball games:

• DK: both games
• Diddy: both games
• Dixie: both games
• Funky: MSS only
• Tiny: MSS only
• K. Rool: MSS only
• Kritters: MSS only

In other Mario games

• DK: Too many to list
• Diddy: First appeared in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour. Appears in most sports games and is playable in two Mario Kart games. Appears (but not playable) in two Mario Party games and is playable in another.
• Dixie: Mario Hoops 3-on-3
• Funky: Mario Kart Wii
• Tiny: None
• K. Rool: Only gets a passing mention in Odyssey as the name of a street in New Dino City
• Kritters: Mario Power Tennis, both Strikers games

Of the following (besides Dixie), I could definitely see Funky added to the list of playables, as well as K. Rool due to his iconic status amongst Nintendo villains. The others, not really.

I really hope Funky Kong gets in first and foremost. He undeniably has the most personality and potential. A fighter with surfboard and a bazooka sounds really interesting.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Anyway, on the top of my head I can think of a good chunk of characters that could be added without, in my opinion, looking like it's the bottom of the barrel.

Decidueye
Ice Climbers
Rex (& Pyra)
Dillon
Wolf
Dixie Kong
K.Rool (I don't think he will be added, but I still don't think this would be a bottom barrel choice)
A Reworked Zelda (BOTW Zelda in place of TP Zelda)
Spring Man
Bandana Dee
Isabelle
Tom Nook
A practical Metroid character (Sylux or...a spoilery dude potentially) (this isn't to say Ridley isn't practical, but I personally am not entirely convinced, and I'm somebody who thinks a PRACTICALLY working Ridley would be great)

Now, things will be bottom barrel if we literally start adding characters that don't meet the "personality" aspect of Sakurai's criteria. Basically, not a character that can be mixed with thousands of others and not be found. In other words, different species from a game. This means Koopa Troopa, Space Pirate, Kremling/Tropical Freeze dudes, etc...The obvious exception to this is Pokemon, because it's Pokemon. The series is based on the different monsters, so it's different from taking a typical Mario enemy and putting them into Smash.

Overall, I think there's a point at which the game will be running out of good option, but we're not entirely there yet. But maybe that is when it should turn into a "game as a platform" kinda like Overwatch but not too much. If that makes any sense anyway.

Unfortunately any other Metroid character than Ridley would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel, it's a statement of how poor the selection of Metroid characters is that Sylux is the one who's being touted as the next best thing. I don't disagree that Sylux would be the next in line, but consider that as of this moment he's not even a big character in the Metroid series, then imagine how he'd look in a Nintendo all-star fighting game. Obviously he is going to have a major appearance in Prime 4, but it'll take more than that if he is to claw himself out of the bottom of the barrel, at that point even someone like Dark Samus would still be a bigger character who's only disadvantage would be recency. Sylux and most other Metroid candidates also fall head first into the personality issue, not in that they're of a generic species, but in that there's nothing overly unique about them, every single Hunter from Prime Hunters is just your standard cold killing machine who move and attack the same, and Dark Samus is also only slightly better than that. The only ones who show a glimmer of personality are the Prime 3 Hunters and some of the Federation troops from Other M, but they're neither relevant, important or would make for interesting Smash characters.

The problem has always lied in that Metroid only has two major reoccuring characters: Samus and Ridley. It's been such a big issue in regards to Smash that we even have one of those on the roster twice, but it's really just the nature of the series, it's as far from a character-centric series as you can get, and so it just doesn't translate well into Smash. My wish as a Metroid fan is that if they don't intend on adding Ridley, then don't add any other Metroid characters until a viable option eventually comes out of the series, otherwise you end up representing the franchise poorly with characters who have left little to no impact on it, plus those characters would only really be added because of the series they originate from and not their own qualities.

Other than that I do agree with your post, I actually think that as far as Nintendo characters go we can get pretty close to Smash 4's newcomer cast in terms of star power, a lot of people are overstating how widely known or popular some of those characters were at the time of the game's release. We also have to consider that Smash can single handedly make some Nintendo characters into all-stars by itself.

 

[Senselessbreak]

There's also the argument that he's not a potentially interesting fighter. You could make a move set for anyone and it can be full of moves that nobody else has, but that doesn't mean the move set is interesting.

Don't get me wrong. I am a K. Rool supporter, but his lack of bringing anything new to the table is why I'm honestly skeptical of his inclusion.

The last Smash game had a bigger focus on newcomers that REALLY brought something unique. There was Little Mac, a super powerful clobber monster with a pathetic recovery. There was Rosalina who was a puppeteer. Greninja had water/ninja hybrid attacks. Robin had weapon durability. Shulk could change his own stats. Bowser Jr rode a vehicle.

Basically traits that no other character has. I'm not saying you can't make King K. Rool unique. I'm just saying I have a part of me that acknowledges he's not the ripest fighter for the plucking. And his ten year absence makes that worse. The best I can see is him having a pirate arsenal, but at that point he'd just be Kaptain K. Rool.

K Rool has such a vast arsenal though! A blunderbuss no other character has. A crown boomerang. a propeller pack, he can box. I mean that right there gives you an entire moveset to work from. He can jump high. He can call cannon balls or a giant laser from his ship in DK64 as his FS. His impressions are great. He can have many different costumes. I mean hes such a free character because hes so easy to come up with a moveset for.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Isn't Donkey Kong jr baiscally Donkey Kong? and Cranky Kong being the original Donkey Kong???

Please tell me you're not actually proposing that is even slightly relevant. It's 100% a joke by Rare from over a decade ago. Like Wario stealing Koopa's kart in Mario Kart 64 and painting it purple.

 

[Cosmic77]

Isn't Donkey Kong jr baiscally Donkey Kong? and Cranky Kong being the original Donkey Kong???

Cranky Kong (original Donkey Kong) > Donkey Kong Jr. > Donkey Kong

I have no idea how Jr. and the current DK are related, but Cranky is DK's grandfather.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Please tell me you're not actually proposing that is even slightly relevant. It's 100% a joke by Rare from over a decade ago. Like Wario stealing Koopa's kart in Mario Kart 64 and painting it purple.

My bad I thought it was a real thing, but it would be interesting to see DK jr then i wonder how his playstyle would be.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

R.O.B. was the only reason the NES was released in the US (maybe more, I'm not sure of Europe's history with Nintendo).

If Sakurai were to break one rule from previous Smash games to this one, my money is on Ridley being playable

Reminder he broke the rules in smash 4

And He thought his/her was too pacifist for smash


And he thought he was too far fetched


So it can happen of sakurai having a change of heart on his original thoughts on characters

 

[TheLastJinjo]

K Rool has such a vast arsenal though! A blunderbuss no other character has. A crown boomerang. a propeller pack, he can box. I mean that right there gives you an entire moveset to work from. He can jump high. He can call cannon balls or a giant laser from his ship in DK64 as his FS. His impressions are great. He can have many different costumes. I mean hes such a free character because hes so easy to come up with a moveset for.

You could make a move set for anyone and it can be full of moves that nobody else has, but that doesn't mean the move set is interesting.

It's pretty obnoxious when I have to bring up something I ALREADY said in the very argument you are responding to.

You came up with literally four moves and they all suck. There's more to making a character than four special moves. Throwing your crown as a boomerang? Yeah, I'm aware he does that, but that's your proposal for a unique character?

There's like a million things I already addressed in the post you're responding to and you ignored ALL OF THEM. I can't believe you even bothered responding when it's like you didn't even read a single word. You just heard King K. Rool being talked about negatively pounced on your keyboard.

Do me a favor. Read the post or don't respond.

 

[IanTheGamer]

If Sakurai has changes of hearts like that, dear god that means Shrek and Goku CAN get in Smash *throws up*

 

[Morbi]

Unfortunately any other Metroid character than Ridley would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel, it's a statement of how poor the selection of Metroid characters is that Sylux is the one who's being touted as the next best thing. I don't disagree that Sylux would be the next in line, but consider that as of this moment he's not even a big character in the Metroid series, then imagine how he'd look in a Nintendo all-star fighting game. Obviously he is going to have a major appearance in Prime 4, but it'll take more than that if he is to claw himself out of the bottom of the barrel, at that point even someone like Dark Samus would still be a bigger character who's only disadvantage would be recency. Sylux and most other Metroid candidates also fall head first into the personality issue, not in that they're of a generic species, but in that there's nothing overly unique about them, every single Hunter from Prime Hunters is just your standard cold killing machine who move and attack the same, and Dark Samus is also only slightly better than that. The only ones who show a glimmer of personality are the Prime 3 Hunters and some of the Federation troops from Other M, but they're neither relevant, important or would make for interesting Smash characters.

The problem has always lied in that Metroid only has two major and reoccuring characters: Samus and Ridley, it's been such a big issue in regards to Smash that we even have one of those on the roster twice, but it's really just the nature of the series, it's as far from a character-centric series as you can get. My wish as a Metroid fan is that if they don't intend on adding Ridley, then don't add any other Metroid characters until a viable option eventually comes out of the series, otherwise you end up representing the franchise poorly with characters who have left little to no impact on it.

Other than that I do agree with your post, I actually think that as far as Nintendo characters go we can get pretty close to Smash 4's newcomer cast as far as star power goes, a lot of people are overstating how widely known or popular some of those characters were at the time of the game's release.

Eh, Ridley is bigger (figuratively and literally) than most Nintendo characters. If he would just add Ridley, the problem would be solved. Metroid does not NEED to have a huge character selection if it has two of the best. The fact of the matter is that not every character added is an all-star, a fact that I am sure will be amplified this go-around.

I definitely agree with your point though, people are heavily overstating most of the potential characters. There are literally only a handful and they are led by Waluigi which is more embarrassing than Metroid being led by Sylux, if you ask me.

 

[Cosmic77]

It's pretty obnoxious when I have to bring up something I ALREADY said in the very argument you are responding to.

You came up with literally four moves and they all suck. There's more to making a character than four special moves. Throwing your crown as a boomerang? Yeah, I'm aware he does that, but that's your proposal for a unique character?

There's like a million things I already addressed in the post you're responding to and you ignored ALL OF THEM. I can't believe you even bothered responding when it's like you didn't even read a single word. You just heard King K. Rool being talked about negatively pounced on your keyboard.

Dude, relax. Not every character needs to have some flashy, gimmicky "look at me!" moveset.

What he came up with does a decent job of representing K. Rool, and it's certainly more creative than a lot of the characters we already have on the roster.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Eh, Ridley is bigger (figuratively and literally) than most Nintendo characters. If he would just add Ridley, the problem would be solved. Metroid does not NEED to have a huge character selection if it has two of the best. The fact of the matter is that not every character added is an all-star, a fact that I am sure will be amplified this go-around.

I definitely agree with your point though, people are heavily overstating most of the potential characters. There are literally only a handful and they are led by Waluigi which is more embarrassing than Metroid being led by Sylux, if you ask me.

If that happens then this smash would be the weirdest smash yet.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'll probably ask this in the Ridley thread as well, but I'll also ask it here; how optimistic or pessimistic are some of you for Ridley's chances this time around?

The fact of the matter is that not every character added is an all-star, a fact that I am sure will be amplified this go-around.

"All Star" is pretty much a subjective term as far as Smash is concerned, anyway.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Dude, relax. Not every character needs to have some flashy, gimmicky "look at me!" moveset.

What he came up with does a decent job of representing K. Rool, and it's certainly more creative than a lot of the characters we already have on the roster.

I would actually love it if we got less gimmicky movesets for newcomers this time, I tend not to like gimmick characters much and as such there were almost no newcomers in Smash 4 I enjoyed playing, I really hope we can get some more basic movesets that don't rely on some crazy concept.

 

[IronTed]

Unfortunately any other Metroid character than Ridley would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel, it's a statement of how poor the selection of Metroid characters is that Sylux is the one who's being touted as the next best thing. I don't disagree that Sylux would be the next in line, but consider that as of this moment he's not even a big character in the Metroid series, then imagine how he'd look in a Nintendo all-star fighting game. Obviously he is going to have a major appearance in Prime 4, but it'll take more than that if he is to claw himself out of the bottom of the barrel, at that point even someone like Dark Samus would still be a bigger character who's only disadvantage would be recency. Sylux and most other Metroid candidates also fall head first into the personality issue, not in that they're of a generic species, but in that there's nothing overly unique about them, every single Hunter from Prime Hunters is just your standard cold killing machine who move and attack the same, and Dark Samus is also only slightly better than that. The only ones who show a glimmer of personality are the Prime 3 Hunters and some of the Federation troops from Other M, but they're neither relevant, important or would make for interesting Smash characters.

The problem has always lied in that Metroid only has two major reoccuring characters: Samus and Ridley. It's been such a big issue in regards to Smash that we even have one of those on the roster twice, but it's really just the nature of the series, it's as far from a character-centric series as you can get, and so it just doesn't translate well into Smash. My wish as a Metroid fan is that if they don't intend on adding Ridley, then don't add any other Metroid characters until a viable option eventually comes out of the series, otherwise you end up representing the franchise poorly with characters who have left little to no impact on it, plus those characters would only really be added because of the series they originate from and not their own qualities.

Other than that I do agree with your post, I actually think that as far as Nintendo characters go we can get pretty close to Smash 4's newcomer cast in terms of star power, a lot of people are overstating how widely known or popular some of those characters were at the time of the game's release. We also have to consider that Smash can single handedly make some Nintendo characters into all-stars by itself.

This. Metroid isn't a character-centric franchise, the fact Sylux is the runner up is indicative of this.

The lack of Ridley wouldn't be so bad if say, almost every Metroid stage wasn't a nondescript lava/acid room. There are so many cool stage ideas they could use, but no, instead of that get ready for lava stage number 3.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

K. Rool could be a powerful heavyweight trap character.

 

[Cosmic77]

I would actually love it if we got less gimmicky movesets for newcomers this time, I tend not to like gimmick characters much and as such there were almost no newcomers in Smash 4 I enjoyed playing, I really hope we can get some more basic movesets that don't rely on some crazy concept.

Yeah. Between Rosa, Little Mac, Robin, Shulk, and Cloud, I feel like we got way too many gimmicky characters in Smash 4.

Personally, I'd like to see more "Greninja" characters. No weird gimmick. No super special moves. Just a pure honest moveset that's not too crazy but still cool in it's own way.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I would actually love it if we got less gimmicky movesets for newcomers this time, I tend not to like gimmick characters much and as such there were almost no newcomers in Smash 4 I enjoyed playing, I really hope we can get some more basic movesets that don't rely on some crazy concept.

This post made me cringe

Why are you applying such a negative characteristic to the word "gimmick"? Why is it bad to have characters that actually stand out and have unique traits?

What's so CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY about that? Like why would you actually come out and say "I don't want interesting characters. I want basic move sets."

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

The winner of the last poll was Viridi, still maintaining her popularity after so long. Hades was at least half as popular as her, though the Fighter and Phosphora fell hard.

Next may be the last Kid Icarus themed poll, featuring the more minor characters of the game. Your choices are Magnus, Dyntos, Pyhrron, and Arlon.

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[TheLastJinjo]

K. Rool could be a powerful heavyweight trap character.

What the heck is a "trap character"?

 

[Cosmic77]

This post made me cringe

Why are you applying such a negative characteristic to the word "gimmick"? Why is it bad to have characters that actually stand out and have unique traits?

What's so CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY about that? Like why would you actually come out and say "I don't want interesting characters. I want basic move sets."

I'm just gonna say that it's hard to take you seriously when you're also the same person who argues that Pichu should come back from Melee.

 

[SmashChu]

What was that rumor about? I remember something, but I'm not sure.

What did Source Gaming fake?

Trust me. I've talked personally to some of those dudes in the past (PushDustin for example) and was almost apart of their writing staff. They take their **** very very very seriously.

From recollection, they were saying Smash 4 was going to be a port, Breath of the Wild Link would be a costume for the Miis and Inklings would be in it. I also think that they said there were only going to be two new characters, but I'd have to check on that. Beleive they also said Melee was going to be on the Virtual Console. All of this should still be on the website (they don't delete things)

Source Gaming does try and do their research but remember they also try to be friends with a lot of these people. They tried to have a cozy relationship with Liam Robertson even though he's peddled his own share of fake rumors. I don't remember if anything happened with Laura Dale but I'm pretty sure they believed her though that was after my time.

EDIT: Found it
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/12/07/switch-is-getting-2-smash-bros-games-rumour/

That's my feeling as well. I suspect the 3rd party owners would want some royalties, and probably rather important ones. And that would be even worse with anime characters. If Nintendo were to take too much 3rd parties, they would end up having to dilapidate a sizable chunk of the Smash gains to others.

Not no mention how strenuous the negociations would be.

Again, I'm certainly no expert in that field.

That's been my thinking as well which is why I find it silly when people just assume Smash will go full guest. Brawl only had two and Smash 4 had three, but Pac-Man was facilitated by Namco Bandai making the game (fun fact, the official Club Nintendo CD has no music from Megaman and Sonic but has three Pac-Man songs). If guest characters return, I expect it to be closer to this.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

It's pretty obnoxious when I have to bring up something I ALREADY said in the very argument you are responding to.

You came up with literally four moves and they all suck. There's more to making a character than four special moves. Throwing your crown as a boomerang? Yeah, I'm aware he does that, but that's your proposal for a unique character?

There's like a million things I already addressed in the post you're responding to and you ignored ALL OF THEM. I can't believe you even bothered responding when it's like you didn't even read a single word. You just heard King K. Rool being talked about negatively pounced on your keyboard.

Do me a favor. Read the post or don't respond.

Is this move set unique enough for you? https://zombiesaurian.deviantart.com/art/A-K-Rool-Moveset-Updated-8-24-15-542724062

 

[KingofPhantoms]

This post made me cringe

Why are you applying such a negative characteristic to the word "gimmick"? Why is it bad to have characters that actually stand out and have unique traits?

What's so CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY about that? Like why would you actually come out and say "I don't want interesting characters. I want basic move sets."

Do characters like Greninja and Bowser Jr. not stand out?

Bear in mind that I'm not exactly against gimmicky characters myself. I very much liked the ones we got, but characters can very much still be fun and unique without needing to focus or work around a gimmick.