Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DJ3DS]

Sorry it doesn't suit your vague standards.

Apology accepted!

Well as for the rumor hard proof I still required I need to see it to believe

Now I got another rumor not smash related but...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/3058...uses-donkey-kong-country-speculation-with-a-s

A new DK game man got be made for the switch and supposivly rare is working on it

So if the kermlings are in that game you know a particular characters chances could potential shoot the moon

Where is Rare mentioned at all here?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If Spring Man gets in, Ribbon Girl is gonna get in too. No need to choose between them.

They play differently and i’m not As sure they would put 2 in from arms.

I’m pretty close to 100% sure they would put an arms character in just not 100% on putting multiple in.

 

[fogbadge]

Maybe they could do a special artbook for the Smash series?

perhaps, i certainly hope they do something to mark it

 

[KingBroly]

Well as for the rumor hard proof I still required I need to see it to believe

Now I got another rumor not smash related but...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/3058...uses-donkey-kong-country-speculation-with-a-s

A new DK game man got be made for the switch and supposivly rare is working on it

So if the kermlings are in that game you know a particular characters chances could potential shoot the moon

Rare, huh?

I can't see more than Spring Man being added, tbh. All of the characters in ARMS play so similarly it wouldn't really make sense to add more than one. It's like...each character has 1 attribute that makes them unique. That's not really enough to justify putting another slot on them. It'd be a Full Clone if they did.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Oh, I saw a roster in here earlier, so I guess that means it's okay to post mine as well?

Spoiler

I know it's like, not very realistic, but it's definitely my ideal.

 

[KingBroly]

Sakurai usually ends up breaking 1 rule for each Smash game that he had in the previous entry. So I wonder which one he'll break this time.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Well as for the rumor hard proof I still required I need to see it to believe

Now I got another rumor not smash related but...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/3058...uses-donkey-kong-country-speculation-with-a-s

A new DK game man got be made for the switch and supposivly rare is working on it

So if the kermlings are in that game you know a particular characters chances could potential shoot the moon

Was just about to post about this.

"Good things come in 3"

DKCR 3 confirmed!! I'm excited. The thing about Retro (if involved) they listened to a lot of fans last time. In DKCR fans wanted David Wise, Water Stages, Dixie, new animal buddies and Kremlings/K Rool. TF gave us David Wise, water stages and Dixie.

I'm thinking we will get the rest this time around. Plus I hope it takes on a grittier feel. The jungle island paradise seems overused now. Lets go back to the feel DKC2 gave us.

 

[Nauzgo]

Maybe this was discussed here before but I don't see people usually talking about this:
What do you think about a Yokai Watch character? Due to the series' enormous success in Japan and Level 5's confirmation that they will release all of their games on Switch in the future, I think this is a pretty underrated choice as a third party character. I don't think Sakurai ignores the impact of that franchise on the 3DS in the last few years. Your thoughts?

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Maybe this was discussed here before but I don't see people usually talking about this:
What do you think about a Yokai Watch character? Due to the series' enormous success in Japan and Level 5's confirmation that they will release all of their games on Switch in the future, I think this is a pretty underrated choice as a third party character. I don't think Sakurai ignores the impact of that franchise on the 3DS in the last few years. Your thoughts?

So another Fire Emblem situation?

 

[Morbi]

Sakurai usually ends up breaking 1 rule for each Smash game that he had in the previous entry. So I wonder which one he'll break this time.

Interesting that you have not thought about it given your name. Goku for Smash. 'Nuff said.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Well as for the rumor hard proof I still required I need to see it to believe

Now I got another rumor not smash related but...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/3058...uses-donkey-kong-country-speculation-with-a-s

A new DK game man got be made for the switch and supposivly rare is working on it

So if the kermlings are in that game you know a particular characters chances could potential shoot the moon

Tropical Freeze didn't help Dixie much, so I doubt a DKC Switch game, particularly one that would most be released in 2018 at the earliest, would impact K. Rool's chance of being in Smash Switch (if he returns, which to be fair is likely, seeing as the CEO of Retro Studios supported the Kremling Kampaign on Twitter).

 

[Stratos]

Before releasing the Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, one of the characters I wanted to see as a newcomer was Ivan from Devil's Third, but now I'm not sure if I want that.

 

[RosiePeaches]

Decidueye
Ice Climbers
Rex (& Pyra)
Dillon
Wolf
Dixie Kong
K.Rool (I don't think he will be added, but I still don't think this would be a bottom barrel choice)
A Reworked Zelda (BOTW Zelda in place of TP Zelda)
Spring Man
Bandana Dee
Isabelle
Tom Nook
A practical Metroid character (Sylux or...a spoilery dude potentially) (this isn't to say Ridley isn't practical, but I personally am not entirely convinced, and I'm somebody who thinks a PRACTICALLY working Ridley would be great)

Considering that they were minor crew members along with a Goomba in Mario Baseball....yes I think they are bottom of the barrel choices.

 

[KingBroly]

Interesting that you have not thought about it given your name. Goku for Smash. 'Nuff said.

I think that's the Golden Rule, honestly. It will never be broken, nor do I want non-game originated characters. It wouldn't be Smash then, IMO.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

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[Morbi]

I think that's the Golden Rule, honestly. It will never be broken, nor do I want non-game originated characters. It wouldn't be Smash then, IMO.

Eh, I doubt Sakurai cares about what purists think. He is going to be stretching hard for someone to top Cloud, in my opinion. We already got R.O.B., so we are halfway there, mate.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Tropical Freeze didn't help Dixie much, so I doubt a DKC Switch game, particularly one that would most be released in 2018 at the earliest, would impact K. Rool's chance of being in Smash Switch (if he returns, which to be fair is likely, seeing as the CEO of Retro Studios supported the Kremling Kampaign on Twitter).

The point is that the only argument against K Rool in Smash currently is "hes not relevant anymore." Once they add him in a new DKC game, that argument is gone. He's high in demand. He'd have one of the most unique movesets I could think of for a newcomer, and hes a likeable villain from one of Nintendos most successful franchises. Making him relevant again only makes his case for Smash more rock solid.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The point is that the only argument against K Rool in Smash currently is "hes not relevant anymore." Once they add him in a new DKC game, that argument is gone. He's high in demand. He'd have one of the most unique movesets I could think of for a newcomer, and hes a likeable villain from one of Nintendos most successful franchises. Making him relevant again only makes his case for Smash more rock solid.

Ah, so it's more about having that relevancy argument invalidated than a matter of likelihood for the base game?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Considering that they were minor crew members along with a Goomba in Mario Baseball....yes I think they are bottom of the barrel choices.

Mario Baseball isn't the same thing as Smash Bros. Not even close to the same thing.

If the point you're making is that two main characters of the Donkey Kong Country series would be "bottom of the barrel" in Smash because they were low choices in Mario Baseball, a series in which they aren't typically from, then there's a disconnect there.

One is a main character in two games of the original trilogy, as well as playable in DKCTF. That would be Dixie. K.Rool was the main villain in the original trilogy and 64. In context to Donkey Kong, they're both pretty important or iconic.

The reason they were at the bottom of Mario Baseball was not because they are "bottom of the barrel", but because they were outranked by other Mario characters. Simple as that.

 

[Morbi]

The point is that the only argument against K Rool in Smash currently is "hes not relevant anymore." Once they add him in a new DKC game, that argument is gone. He's high in demand. He'd have one of the most unique movesets I could think of for a newcomer, and hes a likeable villain from one of Nintendos most successful franchises. Making him relevant again only makes his case for Smash more rock solid.

I could argue that he did not appear last time despite the demand and there is clearly a reason for that. Albeit, the reason seems pretty clear to me, they wanted to save some heavy-hitters for the game where Waluigi is the front-runner.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Mario Baseball isn't the same thing as Smash Bros. Not even close to the same thing.

If the point you're making is that two main characters of the Donkey Kong Country series would be "bottom of the barrel" in Smash because they were low choices in Mario Baseball, a series in which they aren't typically from, then there's a disconnect there.

One is a main character in two of the original trilogy, as well as playable in DKCTF. That would be Dixie. K.Rool was the main villain in the original trilogy and 64. In context to Donkey Kong, they're both pretty important or iconic.

The reason they were at the bottom of Mario Baseball was not because they are "bottom of the barrel", but because they were outranked by other Mario characters. Simple as that.

Yup, being minor characters in Mario =/= minor characters in their own actual franchise.

 

[IanTheGamer]

I don't understand why some people want FNAF characters in Smash. They have literally ZERO moveset potential besides jumpscares. FNAF is very overrated anyway. The only game franchise more overrated is Call of Duty

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Idea for 3rd party trailer.

Spoiler: goes on for a bit

Scene: Smash Switch Battlefield

[Mario faces off against BotW Link and Kirby]
{Camera looking down from top platform, a familiar Red and White shoe comes into shot}
???: Long time no see!
{camera on Mario, Link and Kriby as they look up}
{camera pans up to top platform as Sonic poses, Mega Man teleports in, Pac-Man does his stage intro}
[The three jump down to face the Nitendo crew, face off Mario vs Sonic, Link vs. MM and Kirby vs Pac]

[Gameplay footage, showing off new stages and new moves of veteran]

[back to Battle field, Mario's got Sonic's back to the wall, when...]
{Camera cuts to an Orange Flash that Knocks Mario back}
Sonic: Huh, about time.
Adorable Fox Voice: Let's do this Sonic
[TAILS gets a splash screen]

[Link's sheild deflects Mega Man's projectiles as he rushes in to slash]
{close up on Link's Sword}
[Link's Sword is suddenly blocked but a blade of light]
[ZERO gets a splash screen]

[Kirby about to swallow Pac-Man]
[Kirby starts inexplicable inflating for no reason]
{Camera turns to reveal the reason, a pump stuck in him}
[DIG DUG gets a splash screen]

[More game play footage]

[SUPER SMASH BROS.]

I know if the reveals actually were they case, they'd all get their own trailers most likely but I think it's cool.

 

[Morbi]

I don't understand why some people want FNAF characters in Smash. They have literally ZERO moveset potential besides jumpscares. FNAF is overrated anyway

I want Freddy Fazbear because I love his design. Nothing more. There are people that expect Doom Guy, so I guess if that is the case, you could just have Freddy try and put a Smash character in his suit. Same as Kirby's inhale. Other than that, he could fight like Wario and use his giant robotic head for smash attacks. Oh, and he could summon Foxy, and probably the other ones, but Foxy is the only one that seems unique.

 

[Skeeter Mania]

Tropical Freeze didn't help Dixie much, so I doubt a DKC Switch game, particularly one that would most be released in 2018 at the earliest, would impact K. Rool's chance of being in Smash Switch (if he returns, which to be fair is likely, seeing as the CEO of Retro Studios supported the Kremling Kampaign on Twitter).

Speaking of Tropical Freeze, what do you think the chances are for Funky Kong to get into Smash?

Already a very popular character introduced into the Mario series with Mario Kart Wii (the most popular choice for high-level racing) and otherwise serving a support role in the DKC games (though he had a six year absence between games from Mario Super Sluggers to DKC: TF), I think this is Nintendo’s chance to give him a ticket into another very popular multiplayer franchise (and perhaps make him broken again ).

But that leads me to another question: aren’t Dixie and Funky both owned by the now no-longer-second-party-for-Nintendo Rare? If so, they may not be able to be added. Of course, I do remember that Dixie was originally going to be paired with Diddy as a two-in-one in Brawl, ala Ice Climbers, and even back then, Rare was already bought out by Microsoft.

 

[IanTheGamer]

I however can understand Steve from Minecraft. He actually does have some moveset potential

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think there is a good chance we'll get both K. Rool and Dixie. They are both prominent Nintendo characters who have their own reasons for getting in.

Speaking of Tropical Freeze, what do you think the chances are for Funky Kong to get into Smash?

Already a very popular character introduced into the Mario series with Mario Kart Wii (the most popular choice for high-level racing) and otherwise serving a support role in the DKC games (though he had a six year absence between games from Mario Super Sluggers to DKC: TF), I think this is Nintendo’s chance to give him a ticket into another very popular multiplayer franchise (and perhaps make him broken again ).

But that leads me to another question: aren’t Dixie and Funky both owned by the now no-longer-second-party-for-Nintendo Rare? If so, they may not be able to be added. Of course, I do remember that Dixie was originally going to be paired with Diddy as a two-in-one in Brawl, ala Ice Climbers, and even back then, Rare was already bought out by Microsoft.

No, Rare doesn't own any of Donkey Kongs characters.

And I think Dixie and K. Rool are more likely than Funky.
Both are more popular, one had her very own mainline game, the other being one of the most wanted Nintendo newcomers along with being the main villain of the series.

 

[Morbi]

Speaking of Tropical Freeze, what do you think the chances are for Funky Kong to get into Smash?

Already a very popular character introduced into the Mario series with Mario Kart Wii (the most popular choice for high-level racing) and otherwise serving a support role in the DKC games (though he had a six year absence between games from Mario Super Sluggers to DKC: TF), I think this is Nintendo’s chance to give him a ticket into another very popular multiplayer franchise (and perhaps make him broken again ).

But that leads me to another question: aren’t Dixie and Funky both owned by the now no-longer-second-party-for-Nintendo Rare? If so, they may not be able to be added. Of course, I do remember that Dixie was originally going to be paired with Diddy as a two-in-one in Brawl, ala Ice Climbers, and even back then, Rare was already bought out by Microsoft.

It is basically a three horse race between King K. Rool, Dixie, and Funky, if you ask me. If Sakurai wants to get cheeky, Cranky is on the table. I would not even be surprised to see two of them because of how few options there are, otherwise.

I imagine if Dixie and Funky are owned by rare, that Diddy would be too. I doubt that is the case, but I never looked into it. More important fact about those two is that the development team could use Diddy or Donkey Kong's models to make Dixie and Funky respectively, with relative ease.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Speaking of Tropical Freeze, what do you think the chances are for Funky Kong to get into Smash?

Already a very popular character introduced into the Mario series with Mario Kart Wii (the most popular choice for high-level racing) and otherwise serving a support role in the DKC games (though he had a six year absence between games from Mario Super Sluggers to DKC: TF), I think this is Nintendo’s chance to give him a ticket into another very popular multiplayer franchise (and perhaps make him broken again ).

But that leads me to another question: aren’t Dixie and Funky both owned by the now no-longer-second-party-for-Nintendo Rare? If so, they may not be able to be added. Of course, I do remember that Dixie was originally going to be paired with Diddy as a two-in-one in Brawl, ala Ice Climbers, and even back then, Rare was already bought out by Microsoft.

For the first question, I personally have doubts about Funky's chance.

For the second question - no, both Funky and Dixie are owned by Nintendo as are all other characters created for the DKC series.

 

[GolisoPower]

I however can understand Steve from Minecraft. He actually does have some moveset potential

Not to mention Sakurai loves Minecraft, believe it or not!
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/02/2...mple-actions-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-535/

 

[Morbi]

Not to mention Sakurai loves Minecraft, believe it or not!
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/02/2...mple-actions-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-535/

I just hope their unwillingness to work with Microsoft outweighs his "love" for Minecraft. It would be a sick, and twisted world where we got Steve before Banjo or Master Chief, that is for damn sure.

 

[Cosmic77]

I actually feel a little bad for Sakurai when it comes to choosing a DK newcomer.


It hurts to say this, but Dixie, Funky, and even Cranky make way more sense at this point than K. Rool would. Not only has the big dude mysteriously vanished for over a decade, but the other three Kongs have all been playable in the newest DKC game (and in Dixie's case, she's been playable in two older classic DKC games AND was actually considered for Brawl).

I adore K. Rool, but just like how I feel with Ridley and Metroid, I'd rather get someone besides K. Rool as a newcomer than to get nothing at all. Unfortunately, I don't think everyone else shares that sentiment. Fans have been pretty vocal, and I'm afraid that Sakurai might be too hesitant to consider adding another DK character if the character isn't K. Rool.

In other words, the massive demand for K. Rool may have caused an all-or-nothing situation where if we don't get him, we don't get anyone.

 

[Chandeelure]

I think there is a good chance we'll get both K. Rool and Dixie. They are both prominent Nintendo characters who have their own reasons for getting in.

Ah, reminds me of Smash 4 speculation.

 

[Morbi]

I actually feel a little bad for Sakurai when it comes to choosing a DK newcomer.


It hurts to say this, but Dixie, Funky, and even Cranky make way more sense at this point than K. Rool would. Not only has the big dude mysteriously vanished for over a decade, but the other three Kongs have all been playable in the newest DKC game (and in Dixie's case, she's been playable in two older classic DKC games AND was actually considered for Brawl).

I adore K. Rool, but just like how I feel with Ridley and Metroid, I'd rather get someone besides K. Rool as a newcomer than to get nothing at all. Unfortunately, I don't think everyone else will share that sentiment. Fans have been pretty vocal, and I'm afraid that Sakurai might be too hesitant to consider adding another DK character if the character isn't K. Rool.

I highly doubt that will be the case. Sure, King K. Rool is the front runner and also just happens to be my favorite Donkey Kong character; however, if they were to neglect Donkey Kong again, after the series has moved forward quite a bit and with so little other viable candidates, that would probably cause more controversy than adding a Kong.

 

[Senselessbreak]

But that leads me to another question: aren’t Dixie and Funky both owned by the now no-longer-second-party-for-Nintendo Rare? If so, they may not be able to be added. Of course, I do remember that Dixie was originally going to be paired with Diddy as a two-in-one in Brawl, ala Ice Climbers, and even back then, Rare was already bought out by Microsoft.

None of the DK characters are owned by Rare or Microsoft. Nintendo has full ownership of them. Diddy has been used very often. Dixie and Funky show up from time to time. Kremlings and K Rool pop up every now and then. Even Tiny and Lanky have made appearances in post Rareware games like Barrel Blast.

The only Kong thats been kinda left behind is Chunky Kong (he's dead).

Rare did do a mail Q&A thing a while back about Chunky and reassured hes still Nintendo's 100%

 

[KingBroly]

Eh, I doubt Sakurai cares about what purists think. He is going to be stretching hard for someone to top Cloud, in my opinion. We already got R.O.B., so we are halfway there, mate.

R.O.B. was the only reason the NES was released in the US (maybe more, I'm not sure of Europe's history with Nintendo).

If Sakurai were to break one rule from previous Smash games to this one, my money is on Ridley being playable

 

[Morbi]

R.O.B. was the only reason the NES was released in the US (maybe more, I'm not sure of Europe's history with Nintendo).

If Sakurai were to break one rule from previous Smash games to this one, my money is on Ridley being playable

Ridley was not a rule, per se. He just could not get him to work because excuses, excuses. Villager was more tied to a "rule" given that the series was so far removed from combat.

But yeah, I am pretty sure Ridley will be playable as well.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Ah, reminds me of Smash 4 speculation.

Well I think it's more likely now then it was back then. Dixie is now relevant with Tropical Freeze and I think the ballot significantly raises K. Rool's chances.

 

[Megadoomer]

I'm really not a fan of heavy 3rd Party representation. Three 3rd Party characters all from differing companies and series is, in my opinion, ideal. The more 3rd Parties added, the faster my excitement for the game dies. One of the main reasons why Smash 4 is by far my least favorite in the series.

All things considered, that seems like it's way too limiting as far as third parties are concerned. I'm not saying that they should go completely overboard with third party characters, but Nintendo's finally gotten some goodwill back with third party developers after most of them more-or-less ignored the Wii U, and it seems like such a waste to not use that to their advantage. Even one or two more than what we got in Smash 4 could help convince people to get a Switch, or draw in people who don't normally play Smash Bros. for whatever reason.

Three seems like a particularly small number when you consider that four separate third party companies (Sega, Capcom, Namco-Bandai, Square-Enix) were involved in Smash 4 alone; characters from all of those companies were seen as huge additions to the franchise, and removing any of them would result in a fair amount of backlash. (at least with Konami, their general behaviour and the removal of Kojima helped to justify it, but that isn't the case for any of the others)

 

[Senselessbreak]

Well I think it's more likely now then it was back then. Dixie is now relevant with Tropical Freeze and I think the ballot significantly raises K. Rool's chances.

I made a post a few days ago, but I'm sure the ballot will have a heavy influence on Smash. I mean looking at past polls like the one for Melee, 10/14 of the games newcomers did well on the polling. (Roy wasn't even known at the time). I feel the ballot is going to give us very popular characters like Ridley, K Rool, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Wolf.