Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

As far as character support goes; it's best aimed towards Smash 6 (and a ballot for that, probably), and not this game. Whoever comes on DLC next depends (mostly) on who got enough demand last time, and whether the staff has enough time and resources for them. We can't bend reality, no matter how much fake leakers want to.

My Square Enix expectations are dampened.
They have very minimalistic content included as is. As a result I expect very little from them.

Lol.

Joking aside, undoubtedly any Square DLC would probably be the least amount of bang for your buck. In terms of quantity.

Yeah, I'd be surprised if we do get anything beyond ONLY Sora himself as far as KH content goes. The music and stage could just be for Cloud, for all we know.

Might as well add Sephiroth then.

The only issue is they'd have to nerf his Muramasa (by shrinking it), and I doubt the fans would like that.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

I shall bless your morning with these adorable pieces of Geno fanart

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

What if Potato ends up being in as a FF character? Potato seems to be a FF character since Cloud was fighting him in a fast food restaurant.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

I can't wait to see this in its entirety, it looks so good!

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I'm loving the interactions between everyone, so much charm and personality on display here.

Apologies if this was posted before, this was just my first time seeing it.

 

[WolfCypher]

We still don't know any of the Miis', Duck Hunt or Greninja.

Duck Hunt's is the same.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So have we seen every Final Smash then? Are there any that have been significantly changed (that we didn't already know about before the direct) other than Yoshi's?

We still don't know any of the Miis', Duck Hunt or Greninja.

Also, Luigi. Has his been shown off? I didn't keep track.

Granted, there's no reason to change Duck Hunt's, it's already perfect.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like both Square and Sakurai undertstood the problem of Geno, and that was the reason that made the Mii Costume a thing.

They decided to do something that wasn’t risky for both companies, but also as a close thing to the demanded product.


I hope that the costume comes back, because making Mii (Miis?) on Switch feels better than on Wii U.

We can make a Geno Mii that its close to the character now, making use of some tricks.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

As far as character support goes; it's best aimed towards Smash 6 (and a ballot for that, probably), and not this game. Whoever comes on DLC next depends (mostly) on who got enough demand last time, and whether the staff has enough time and resources for them. We can't bend reality, no matter how much fake leakers want to.




Yeah, I'd be surprised if we do get anything beyond ONLY Sora himself as far as KH content goes. The music and stage could just be for Cloud, for all we know.



The only issue is they'd have to nerf his Muramasa (by shrinking it), and I doubt the fans would like that.

I wouldnt mind, because Sephiroth would be bloody awesome in Super Smash Bros.

 

[osby]

Also, Luigi. Has his been shown off? I didn't keep track.

Granted, there's no reason to change Duck Hunt's, it's already perfect.

Luigi still has the same one.

 

[Deleted member]

I wouldnt mind, because Sephiroth would be bloody awesome in Super Smash Bros.

What’s the point if we won’t get a cover of One Winged Angel?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I wouldnt mind, because Sephiroth would be bloody awesome in Super Smash Bros.

What’s the point if we won’t get a cover of One Winged Angel?

Besides, they'd be heavily remiss not to have those two square off again, plus the "Imma kill some girl in the back" memes.

Tifa can wait.

 

[TBone06]

Would anyone have that image of the updated Mii Costume list with all the confirmations/deconfirmations or have a link to it?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Deleted member]

3rd Party alternate costumes ranking:
Metal Gear=Street Fighter=Mega Man=Castlevania(multiple references to the series itself, SF and MG having the actual costumes those characters have, Mega Man referencing his Robot Master abilities and CV referencing other characters in the series)
Bayonetta(not may references but has two different costumes based on each game with different sound effects. One costume also references a character)
Sonic(50 shades of blue)
Final Fantasy(really only here because of a model swap, other than that Cloud is 50 shades of black)
Pac-Man(lol)

No, but theres is one of Arikado.
https://i.imgur.com/naYgTXc.jpg

Oh damn, that 7th costume is definitely supposed to reference Alucard. Reaply wish Richter's costumes changed his hair colo like Simon's though, Lucina's and, now, Shulk's costumes are the best because of the hair colo changes.

In the same Reddit thread, I found another person who expressed different thoughts on what both of their alts are.

Spoiler

Perhaps Richter's 7th alt does indeed reference Alucard.

Oh, and Simon's 6th alt may reference Hector, from what I hear.

Richter 8 seems more to be Soma simply due to no red.
Simon 6 is definitely Hector though, hair is basically the same color

This is too true for this thread to handle.

https://imgur.com/a/M2Ol8bB
Looking at the album of palletes, it seems Incineroar maybe the saviour of Pokemon, from the "Ugly Color Palletes" Curse.
Like really man, some pokemons just get a hat, and only few of them get their shiny colors.
gamefreak please redesign shiny pikachu, its ugly and you should feel ugly

>Implying Greninja doesn't have the best Pokemon alts
It may not have shiny but the palettes were always the best, even more with the Toxicroak and Politoad references.

 

[Deleted member]

I think that i know why Super Mario RPG 2 is hard to make into a real thing...

Spoiler: Ladies and gentlemen...

Miyamoto is why. He rejects original characters in Paper Mario and most of the Mario spin offs, so i can see him being the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

 

[Deleted member]

What’s the point if we won’t get a cover of One Winged Angel?

One-Winged Angel (Rap Version)

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, i think that Miyamoto is the reason why Geno isn’t in more games.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Anything new? New alts, new spirits, anything?

 

[Deleted member]

Anything new? New alts, new spirits, anything?

We know the Castlevania alts, and i saw a Skull Kid Mii costume.

 

[NextChannelGames]

I hope we get many awesome franchises for Mii Costumes. As well a ton of them.

 

[Cosmic77]

If we get a SE rep (which seems to be the case), I think we're only getting one. In other words, it's Geno, Sora, or a DQ character. Not all three. Not two. Just one.

I could easily be wrong, but I feel like people are setting them up for disappointment if the SE character gets revealed and they keep telling themselves, "It's not over! My character can still get in! Four more spots, right!?" Just feels like it requires a lot of wishful thinking, assumptions, and best-case scenarios. Remember that in addition to the other third-party companies who could get a character, we also have Nintendo characters themselves fighting for a DLC spot. A second SE rep seems so much more unlikely when you factor in the rest of the possibilities.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think that i know why Super Mario RPG 2 is hard to make into a real thing...

Spoiler: Ladies and gentlemen...

Miyamoto is why. He rejects original characters in Paper Mario and most of the Mario spin offs, so i can see him being the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

Somedays, I'm glad he doesn't do much for some of them. would have bupkis if it were up to him.

If we get a SE rep (which seems to be the case), I think we're only getting one. In other words, it's Geno, Sora, or a DQ character. Not all three. Not two. Just one.

I could easily be wrong, but I feel like people are setting them up for disappointment if the SE character gets revealed and they keep telling themselves, "It's not over! My character can still get in! Four more spots, right!?" Just feels like it requires a lot of wishful thinking, assumptions, and best-case scenarios. Remember that in addition to the other third-party companies who could get a character, we also have Nintendo characters themselves fighting for a DLC spot. A second SE rep seems so much more unlikely when you factor in the rest of the possibilities.

I'm prepared for having only one SE character, even if it's Seph. It wouldn't be fair towards the other DLC third-parties, otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

I find it likely that Miyamoto is the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

In the same way as the many Paper Mario-exclusive characters that are in a similar status.

 

[Deleted member]

>Implying Greninja doesn't have the best Pokemon alts
It may not have shiny but the palettes were always the best, even more with the Toxicroak and Politoad references.

That green color is too dark to be Politoed. A Politoed Greninja would look more like this:

Granted, I don't think Greninja's colors are bad at all. I do wish he had a true Politoed alt though because Politoed is the best.

 

[beans]

3rd Party alternate costumes ranking:
Metal Gear=Street Fighter=Mega Man=Castlevania(multiple references to the series itself, SF and MG having the actual costumes those characters have, Mega Man referencing his Robot Master abilities and CV referencing other characters in the series)
Bayonetta(not may references but has two different costumes based on each game with different sound effects. One costume also references a character)
Sonic(50 shades of blue)
Final Fantasy(really only here because of a model swap, other than that Cloud is 50 shades of black)
Pac-Man(lol)

Oh damn, that 7th costume is definitely supposed to reference Alucard. Reaply wish Richter's costumes changed his hair colo like Simon's though, Lucina's and, now, Shulk's costumes are the best because of the hair colo changes.

Richter 8 seems more to be Soma simply due to no red.
Simon 6 is definitely Hector though, hair is basically the same color

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>Implying Greninja doesn't have the best Pokemon alts
It may not have shiny but the palettes were always the best, even more with the Toxicroak and Politoad references.

Greninja could very well be a one off pokemon that doesnt have bad palletes.
Incineroar proves that the trend can keep going.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I find it likely that Miyamoto is the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

In the same way as the many Paper Mario-exclusive characters that are in a similar status.

Goodbye, Goombario and Goombella...

At least we still got that one neat Smash tribute pic with Paper versions of various fighters in it.

 

[ErenJager]

Anything new? New alts, new spirits, anything?

Old news but... Spikey eared Pichu is a reality.

 

[osby]

I find it likely that Miyamoto is the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

In the same way as the many Paper Mario-exclusive characters that are in a similar status.

Don't forget Mallow. And no, I don't think Miyamoto is responsible for every single not good thing in Mario. SMRPG characters were one-off things because the game itself was also one-off and they have complicated ownership issues to use them again, that's it.

 

[Deleted member]

Goodbye, Goombario and Goombella...

At least we still got that one neat Smash tribute pic with Paper versions of various fighters in it.

Thank god for that.
But yeah, Geno isn’t lost because of Square holding the rights... He is lost for the same reason that the Paper Mario franchise has lost interest: Miyamoto.

 

[beans]

Sometimes I think people bash the last two Paper Mario too much.
While Sticker Star may deserve it, Color Splash at least has a good sense of humor.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget Mallow. And no, I don't think Miyamoto is responsible for every single not good thing in Mario. SMRPG characters were one-off things because the game itself was also one-off and they have complicated ownership issues to use them again, that's it.

Indeed.
Same case as Goombella and the other partners from Paper Mario 2 (i remember the spanish name more).

Sometimes I think bash the last two Paper Mario too much.
While Sticker Star may deserve it, Color Splash at least has a good sense of humor.

Color Splash is better than Sticker Stars, indeed.

Both visually and script-wise.

Edit: good lord, i went too fast with the post. Sorry.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I find it likely that Miyamoto is the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

In the same way as the many Paper Mario-exclusive characters that are in a similar status.

but i dont think Miyamoto owns Geno?

 

[beans]

Yo when we getting a Naruto Greninja alt?

 

[Cosmic77]

I think that i know why Super Mario RPG 2 is hard to make into a real thing...

Spoiler: Ladies and gentlemen...

Miyamoto is why. He rejects original characters in Paper Mario and most of the Mario spin offs, so i can see him being the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

While I agree Miyamoto would rather keep the same old cast instead of adding new characters, I think Geno was just a character Nintendo wasn't very interested in.

The original Paper Mario was supposed to be a sequel to SMRPG, even having the name "Super Mario RPG 2" at one point. The name got changed, and Geno was left out, but Paper Mario still gave us a ton of original characters, many of which weren't even inspired by existing Mario characters and enemies (Star Spirits, Magicians, Tubba Blubba, etc.) Obviously Miyamoto couldn't have been responsible for holding back Geno in this instance.

 

[Deleted member]

but i dont think Miyamoto owns Geno?

He doesn’t.
But he can deny his use in other Mario titles.

Paper Mario is a good example of what i mean.

 

[SvartWolf]

I hope we get many awesome franchises for Mii Costumes. As well a ton of them.

Alucard, Grey fox, Shanoa, Mipha's, Sidon's, Gerudo Set, for swordfighters
Cornell, Chun Li, Sagat, basically any street fighter, as Brawler.
Soma Cruz, Bomberman, Phoenix Wright as gunners...

and if Square enix stops goofing around:
Terra, Cecil, Warrior of light, Sephirot, Noctis, Agnes for swordfighters.
Tifa, Vaan, Penelo, full chocobo, for brawlers.
Balthier, Fran, Barret (he even have the arm gun!) Black mage, Prompto for gunners.

long Etc...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think that i know why Super Mario RPG 2 is hard to make into a real thing...

Spoiler: Ladies and gentlemen...

Miyamoto is why. He rejects original characters in Paper Mario and most of the Mario spin offs, so i can see him being the reason behind Geno’s dissappearance.

Mario RPG's a different case though, since Nintendo doesn't even own the original stuff. Square Enix does.

And given what happened with Final Fantasy VII, it was very unlikely for Nintendo and Square to work together for as long as the former stuck to cartridges, which at the time were inferior to CDs.

 

[Wyoming]

IIRC Greninja's is just the same as before but as Ash Greninja instead. Mii's and Duck Hunt's are probably going to be unchanged.

A lot of the final smashes are a bit disappointing in not having changed a whole lot or being missed opportunities, but I can't really complain when I always have them turned off...

Diddy Kong's a disappointment. I wanted Guitar Gazump! Instead it's his rocketbarrel malfunctioning.

 

[Deleted member]

While I agree Miyamoto would rather keep the same old cast instead of adding new characters, I think Geno was just a character Nintendo wasn't very interested in.

The original Paper Mario was supposed to be a sequel to SMRPG, even having the name "Super Mario RPG 2" at one point. The name got changed, and Geno was left out, but Paper Mario still gave us a ton of original characters, many of which weren't even inspired by existing Mario characters and enemies (Star Spirits, Magicians, Tubba Blubba, etc.) Obviously Miyamoto couldn't have been responsible for holding back Geno in this instance.

You have a point there.

 

[KingofKoopas]

I doubt Geno will be DLC.
Geno is pretty much a "Who" outside of the SNES RPG enthusiasts or the hardcore smash comunity.
Square would probaly push for a popular character that would sell more.
Tangent here but, what if we got Tidus, but he gets two announcer calls: one saying Tidus (t-e-dus) and one saying Tidus (T-ai-dus) to keep the meme going.

As much as that would REALLY stick it to PS All Stars (which btw is shutting down its servers), theyd probably go Noctis if its another FF Protag

 

[Deleted member]

Man, I remember when Miyamoto sold Geno to Square so that any future use of the character would require Nintendo to licence him from Square because Miyamoto didn't want Geno to be used in other Mario games.

Good times.