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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Just thought of something...

No region lock on Switch. Japanese language settings. Felicia.
I would be very happy for a Japanese language settings for those with different Japanese voices. I don’t know why, but I usually prefer Japanese voice acting instead English voice acting.
 
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I would be very happy for a Japanese language settings for those with different Japanese voices. I don’t know why, but I usually prefer Japanese voice acting instead English voice acting.
I know very few things where I prefer a dub above the original japanese voices... I found something about japanese voices appealing for some reason.
 

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I may be about the only person who cares about this, but do you think we'll have an offline tournament mode again? I actually really missed that in Smash 4 because I'm weird and like making tournaments with coms, haha, so I hope they bring it back. Online tournaments and tourneys were just not the same...
 

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New rumor circulating around. The dude claims in the replies that he'll go into more detail soon.
As others have said, Marcus has no credibility. He even lies about what he had said in the past. There are a lot of claims he has made, but the one that comes to mind is he had insider sources that said a Direct would happen in February. He denied it until someone posted a screencap. He'll also say easy to predict things to bolster his credibility. Never trust him.

Why is everyone so certain the 3rd Party reps will be so heavy this time around?
A few reasons.

First, no one knows how licensing works. Most people believe Sakurai can wave a magic wand and all the characters will be there.

Second, the idea is that because the DLC had a lot of guest characters, this one will have a lot too.

Third, there are a lot of people who want Smash to be their personal MUGAN. Sometime, people try to justify what they want (could probably blame me for that too)

My expectation is that it will either be a scaling back or they won't be in at all (though for different reasons). I expect Bayo to be back.
 

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Always remember being responsable using your hype.
 

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Thats funny since Source Gaming posted their own fake rumor at one point.
What did Source Gaming fake?

Trust me. I've talked personally to some of those dudes in the past (PushDustin for example) and was almost apart of their writing staff. They take their **** very very very seriously.
 

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It is because there are so few feasible first-party characters left. Third-party characters are going to be the only way to drum up excitement beyond Ridley, King K. Rool and... Waluigi. Clearly a titan tier first-party candidate leading the pack, am I right?
I can name about 40 "feasible" 1st parties, and around 10 "feasible" 3rd party gaming icons that could be vetted for Smash....

Ready?:

Toad
Waluigi
Paper Mario
Geno
Ashley
K Rool
Dixie
Cranky
Funky
Impa
Tingle
Ganon
Midna
Skull Kid
The Champions (4 characters)
Bandana Dee
Marx
Decidueye
Incinroar
Mimikyu
Gen 8 mon
Ridley
Sylux
Dark Samus
Krystal
Rex/Pyra
Springman
Ribbon Girl
Chibi Robo
Isaac
Ray
Chorus Men
Karate Joe
Dillan
Badge Bunny
Box Boy
Wonder Red
Black Shadow
Chrom
Anna
FE 16 Rep
Isabelle
Tom Nook
K K Slider
Takamaru
Balloon Fighter
Mach Rider
Excite Biker
Diskun
Sheriff
Famicom Detective Series Girl
Goku (Nintendo JPN only game)
Lip
Prince Sable


Viable 3rd parties:

Crash
Spyro
Rayman
Rabbids
Bomberman
Simon
Monster Hunter
Phoenix Wright
Sora
Layton
Banjo
Travis
Steve

Thats 57 first party characters and 13 viable 3rd parties. Almost 5x the viable characters. A handful of the 3rd parties are stretching it too, like Phoenix Wright and Travis. Also indies will never ever get in, besides Steve who is not an indie anymore. Minecraft is one of the best selling games ever, selling more than most AAA titles combined and its owned by Microsoft. Nothing about it holds an indie status anymore.
 

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I'm going to be honest; Marcus Sellars isn't exactly the most credible person. From what I've seen, it looks like he mainly just reiterates rumors from other people and tries to claim them as his own...

It was similar to what happened when the March 8th Direct was rumored and eventually announced; he was not the actual source that found out this information in the first place.

While I will at least say the information he has in this "rumor" is quite promising and is something I am hopeful for outside of the obvious return of the Ice Climbers, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt.
 
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Always remember being responsable using your hype.
Where exactly are these rumors coming from?
I can name about 40 "feasible" 1st parties, and around 10 "feasible" 3rd party gaming icons that could be vetted for Smash....

Ready?:

Toad
Waluigi
Paper Mario
Geno
Ashley
K Rool
Dixie
Cranky
Funky
Impa
Tingle
Ganon
Midna
Skull Kid
The Champions (4 characters)
Bandana Dee
Marx
Decidueye
Incinroar
Mimikyu
Gen 8 mon
Ridley
Sylux
Dark Samus
Krystal
Rex/Pyra
Springman
Ribbon Girl
Chibi Robo
Isaac
Ray
Chorus Men
Karate Joe
Dillan
Badge Bunny
Box Boy
Wonder Red
Black Shadow
Chrom
Anna
FE 16 Rep
Isabelle
Tom Nook
K K Slider
Takamaru
Balloon Fighter
Mach Rider
Excite Biker
Diskun
Sheriff
Famicom Detective Series Girl
Goku (Nintendo JPN only game)
Lip
Prince Sable


Viable 3rd parties:

Crash
Spyro
Rayman
Rabbids
Bomberman
Simon
Monster Hunter
Phoenix Wright
Sora
Layton
Banjo
Travis
Steve

Thats 57 first party characters and 13 viable 3rd parties. Almost 5x the viable characters. A handful of the 3rd parties are stretching it too, like Phoenix Wright and Travis. Also indies will never ever get in, besides Steve who is not an indie anymore. Minecraft is one of the best selling games ever, selling more than most AAA titles combined and its owned by Microsoft. Nothing about it holds an indie status anymore.
I find it weird that you think Mike Jones and Andy aren't viable but Diskun and Sheriff are. On the third party front you're sleeping on Heihachi's as well.
I'm going to be honest; Marcus Sellars isn't exactly the most credible person. From what I've seen, it looks like he mainly just reiterates rumors from other people and tries to claim them as his own...

It was similar to what happened when the March 8th Direct was rumored and eventually announced; he was not the actual source that found out this information in the first place.

While I will at least say the information he has in this "rumor" is quite promising and is something I am hopeful for outside of the obvious return of the Ice Climbers, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt.
Is he the guy the rumor is coming from?
 
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Yeah, if you're asking if he's the one who's posted the most recent "rumor" on his Twitter account.
I checked his Twitter now and he's saying that third parties are going to be heavily represented in the game.

I hope that's not true personally. I don't want to see more than 2-3 third parties in and I want to see more 1st party additions.
 

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Remember when we said that about Wolf? Exactly. We shouldn't really make too many "safe bets", cause we've been burned before.
I actually think Ice Climbers won't come back if 8 player Smash does, which I think it will. But practically everyone else in the world sees them as guarantees, so whenever I see someone "leak" that Ice Climbers are coming back, I just see it as them trying to give safe prediction.
 

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If there's more 3rd parties I hope they are closer to characters like Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Professor Layton, Amaterasu.

I mean, I guess there are fans of characters like Dragonborn, Solaire, or Doomguy, but idk. I like more stylized, cartoony characters in my smash game.
 

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I find it weird that you think Mike Jones and Andy aren't viable but Diskun and Sheriff are. On the third party front you're sleeping on Heihachi's as well.?
A lot of those I named off the top of my head. Startropics and Advance Wars are still nintendo series and are viable to be in Smash. Mike Jones could have an awesome moveset imo. I kinda kept Heihachi off because Sakurai commented that he considered him but eventually went with Ryu over him. I have a feeling Heihachi, or the Virtua Fighters, or Nightmare, or any of the other fighting game giants won't get in because we already have the king of fighting games in. I mean think about the 3rd parties already in:

Ryu: King of fighting games
Cloud: King of JRPGs
Megaman: King of sidescrolling shooters.
Snake: King of stealth games.
Pacman: Father of video games.
Sonic: THE biggest rival to Mario and Nintendo.

The only exception so far has been Bayonetta and she got in because of marketing, scoring decently high on the ballot, and that shes pretty much a psuedo 1st party now.

The only archetypes of characters I can see getting with no hurdles at this point are legendary mascot characters like Crash, Rayman, Spyro, Bomberman or Banjo.

Other 3rd parties left would have to represent their genre. Like for example, a Dark Souls rep probably won't get in when a Monster Hunter seems more iconic to Nintendo. Both are similar genres of games so I don't see both.

We do need a 1st person shooter rep, and while Masterchief and Doom Guy come to mind, we know Sakurais stances on real guns and he'd probably stay away from them to avoid an unnecessary rating.
 
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Never ever ever listen to or spread anything Sellars says. They literally just repost whatever someone else says or tells them or makes up whatever will get attention.

They've been called out for it numerous times and just block whoever says anything. They somehow always make it to the front pages on Reddit, though.

Anything they've ever gotten correct was something someone else said first that they took the credit for.
 
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A lot of those I named off the top of my head. Startropics and Advance Wars are still nintendo series and are viable to be in Smash. Mike Jones could have an awesome moveset imo. I kinda kept Heihachi off because Sakurai commented that he considered him but eventually went with Ryu over him. I have a feeling Heihachi, or the Virtua Fighters, or Nightmare, or any of the other fighting game giants won't get in because we already have the king of fighting games in. I mean think about the 3rd parties already in:

Ryu: King of fighting games
Cloud: King of JRPGs
Megaman: King of sidescrolling shooters.
Snake: King of stealth games.
Pacman: Father of video games.
Sonic: THE biggest rival to Mario and Nintendo.

The only exception so far has been Bayonetta and she got in because of marketing, scoring decently high on the ballot, and that shes pretty much a psuedo 1st party now.

The only archetypes of characters I can see getting with no hurdles at this point are legendary mascot characters like Crash, Rayman, Spyro, Bomberman or Banjo.

Other 3rd parties left would have to represent their genre. Like for example, a Dark Souls rep probably won't get in when a Monster Hunter seems more iconic to Nintendo. Both are similar genres of games so I don't see both.

We do need a shooter rep, and while Masterchief and Doom Guy come to mind, we know Sakurais stances on real guns and he'd probably stay away from them to avoid an unnecessary rating.
There's nothing stating a Street Fighter character and a Tekken one can't be in the same game. Both are unique and come from the most iconic fighting games ever.
 
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If there's more 3rd parties I hope they are closer to characters like Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Professor Layton, Amaterasu.

I mean, I guess there are fans of characters like Dragonborn, Solaire, or Doomguy, but idk. I like more stylized, cartoony characters in my smash game.
I'm the same way. We can have all the third parties Nintendo wants, but keep people like Doomguy and any Dark Souls guy away from Smash. Snake is the only "realistic and gritty" character I'll accept.
 

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There's nothing stating a Street Fighter character and a Tekken one can't be in the same game. Both are unique and come from the most iconic fighting games ever.
They could, and they could add Nightmare, and King of Fighter reps, and Virtua Fighter reps while they are at it. They could even add 5 other Sonic Reps since they are unique could blend well into Smash. The problem I see with that is that its over saturation for characters meant as "guests" and it makes the 3rd party characters already in Smash have less significance. Like I've been vocal about indie reps not being significant enough to stand up to the other 3rd parties in Smash...but lets say one gets in. And then a bunch of other indies get in. Then it essential defeats the value of being an indie rep that rose up through the ranks to get into Smash.
 
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There's nothing stating a Street Fighter character and a Tekken one can't be in the same game. Both are unique and come from the most iconic fighting games ever.
Akuma is in Tekken 7.
Street Fighter X Tekken exists

If the two series literally have a crossover game, Ryu and Heihachi can both be in Smash.
 
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They could, and they could add Nightmare, and King of Fighter reps, and Virtua Fighter reps while they are at it. They could even add 5 other Sonic Reps since they are unique could blend well into Smash. The problem I see with that is that its over saturation for characters meant as "guests" and it makes the 3rd party characters already in Smash have less significance. Like I've been vocal about indie reps not being significant enough to stand up to the other 3rd parties in Smash...but lets say one gets in. And then a bunch of other indies get in. Then it essential defeats the value of being an indie rep that rose up through the ranks to get into Smash.
I don't agree with that. Both Ryu and Heihachi have a lot to bring to Smash Bros. They would hardly play alike even seeing as Heihachi's moveset would be Tekken based.
 

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Spyro would be a cool character. If only Skylanders wasn't his most recent appearance.
Well there are rumors of a trilogy remake.
I don't agree with that. Both Ryu and Heihachi have a lot to bring to Smash Bros. They would hardly play alike even seeing as Heihachi's moveset would be Tekken based.
I'm not saying they won't be unique. I'm sure they would be. Its just that Ryu already represents fighting games as a whole, and Sakurai already thought along these lines when he threw Heihachi aside for Ryu. Putting Heihachi in would steal his thunder and make him seem like less of a fighting video game icon.

Another example would be Sam Fisher alongside Snake. Both are vastly different characters, and would play different. But they both come from giant stealth action games, and having Sam next to Snake might just feel like a little much.
 
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Unfortunately, "rumored" at this moment means its so far off that there's no way it would have any influence on Spyro being a Smash character.
It doesn't need it though. Skylanders was a $Billion franchise and did very well on Nintendo consoles. Plus proper Spyro games have been on Nintendo consoles in the past.

Also in other news, https://mobile.twitter.com/RaymanTrilogyHD this twitter account is tied to an official Ubisoft email, so this apparently looks like we are getting a remake trilogy for Rayman as well! (I hope its a proper remake like N-sane not just a port).
 
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so ive been thinking about the zelda franchise and how we discussed potential newcomers before. i really think we should get a character from the wind waker side. someone like toon zelda, or better yet, tetra. i think a wind waker character would be a better option than the champions of breath of the wild. what do you guys think?
 

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so ive been thinking about the zelda franchise and how we discussed potential newcomers before. i really think we should get a character from the wind waker side. someone like toon zelda, or better yet, tetra. i think a wind waker character would be a better option than the champions of breath of the wild. what do you guys think?
I may have the most biased opinion here in regards to Champions. But putting that bias aside and focusing on Wind Waker, I don't see WHY they'd add a new Wind Waker character. I guess it had the remaster quite a few years ago. Tetra would be cool imo, but I don't see why they'd take that over a much more relevant Champion or even something from Hyrule Warriors.
 
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We finally have a proper update to the DK rap! Finally we can see the return of the DK Rap in Smashbros.


... Also if you've seen Brentalfloss's videos before you should know this could get lewd
 
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Akuma is in Tekken 7.
Street Fighter X Tekken exists

If the two series literally have a crossover game, Ryu and Heihachi can both be in Smash.
Ryu and Heihachi also literally the icons of the two biggest fighting game series of all-time.

Street Fighter might not sell like it used to, but it is still a cultural phenomenon, and Street Fighter II over a half century later is still one of the most iconic video games of all-time. Plus just look at how much the Street Fighter II series alone sold (we're talking MCU levels of money).

Tekken still sells well, has a huge audience globally, and is the bar for 3D fighting games (along with its' sister series Soulcalibur). Namco Bandai is the king of the fighting game world for a reason, and much of that proving ground started at Tekken.

To top this all off, Street Fighter X Tekken is one of the worst functional fighting games I have ever played, and no one really liked it, but it still sold really well. Why?

Because that is a hype as hell crossover. People wanna see Ryu vs. Heihachi.

The only real problem with Heihachi though is that while he's the most central character, Kazuya and even Jin sometimes overshadow Heihachi; the ensemble cast thing and lack of huge cultural explosion held back each characters from being true household names, whereas Street Fighter II and Marvel vs. Capcom provided that for Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li.
 

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so ive been thinking about the zelda franchise and how we discussed potential newcomers before. i really think we should get a character from the wind waker side. someone like toon zelda, or better yet, tetra. i think a wind waker character would be a better option than the champions of breath of the wild. what do you guys think?
i wouldn't mind impa but i'm just trying to be fair here. toon link is the only representation of the wind waker series and i'd figured that they add tetra as a unique fighter and another character representing that side of the zelda series.
 

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i wouldn't mind impa but i'm just trying to be fair here. toon link is the only representation of the wind waker series and i'd figured that they add tetra as a unique fighter and another character representing that side of the zelda series.
I mean I'd totally be down for Tetra. I would love to have a pirate character, but the last game she appeared in, not including the remake, would've been Spirit Tracks in 2009, and in that she just makes a cameo as a stained glass window. Of course, she carries the rare ability to say she is recurring in the Zelda series with a consistent design. So I guess she's not impossible, just seems like her best opportunity would've been with Smash 4. I could be totally wrong though.
 

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Tetra is my top pick for a new Zelda character (although I'm not expecting any). Her pirate-based moveset would be so much fun.

last game she appeared in, not including the remake, would've been Spirit Tracks in 2009
You're right, but I think the remake is pretty important to note so disregarding it kinda cuts out one of the biggest things she has going for her. She appeared in Hyrule Warriors too, that's worth mentioning. I do agree her best chance would have been Smash 4 but who knows, I don't expect her but I'd love her to be there. I think Hyrule Warriors is something that Sakurai could be looking toward for some potential new blood, actually. Zelda's a big series with a lot of cool characters, they could certainly handle a new one.

Also worth mentioning is "Toon Shiek" in Brawl's files which we pretty much have every reason to believe would have been Tetra. So if Sakurai revisits old character ideas maybe Tetra stands a chance too.
 

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I mean I'd totally be down for Tetra. I would love to have a pirate character, but the last game she appeared in, not including the remake, would've been Spirit Tracks in 2009, and in that she just makes a cameo as a stained glass window. Of course, she carries the rare ability to say she is recurring in the Zelda series with a consistent design. So I guess she's not impossible, just seems like her best opportunity would've been with Smash 4. I could be totally wrong though.
Wasn't she in Hyrule Warriors if that counts?

I honestly don't think dated Zelda reps like Tetra, Vaati, Skull Kid and Midna are ever getting in. They served their purpose for the games they were in, but don't represent the Zelda series going forward. We will always have a Link, a Zelda, and some incarnate of Ganon as they represent the triforce trio. They are mainstays for Smash and the Zelda series alike. Then we have occasionally reoccurring characters like Tingle and Impa. They could either be added or not and it wouldn't make much of a difference as they are just supporting characters.
 
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