Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Tree Gelbman]

Overwatch blew up hella fast and has abilities other FPS don't have. I could see Tracer, but is it too soon. Also you know there's the fact it's never been on a Nintendo system.

Tracer certainly already seems to be considered a gaming icon though. She's been in two movies, she's everywhere when FPSes come up, etc.

 

[Morbi]

Overwatch blew up hella fast and has abilities other FPS don't have. I could see Tracer, but is it too soon. Also you know there's the fact it's never been on a Nintendo system.

Tracer certainly already seems to be considered a gaming icon though. She's been in two movies, she's everywhere when FPSes come up, etc.

A Winston Donkey Kong skin would be sick; however, a lot of people believe Doom Guy could fit that niche you were talking about earlier. Master Chief is obviously more ideal, but, well, since we do not yet have Banjo, I am not holding my breath.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Why is everyone so certain the 3rd Party reps will be so heavy this time around?

 

[Morbi]

Why is everyone so certain the 3rd Party reps will be so heavy this time around?

It is because there are so few feasible first-party characters left. Third-party characters are going to be the only way to drum up excitement beyond Ridley, King K. Rool and... Waluigi. Clearly a titan tier first-party candidate leading the pack, am I right?

 

[Big-Cat]

Overwatch blew up hella fast and has abilities other FPS don't have. I could see Tracer, but is it too soon. Also you know there's the fact it's never been on a Nintendo system.

Tracer certainly already seems to be considered a gaming icon though. She's been in two movies, she's everywhere when FPSes come up, etc.

Wait until it's announced at E3 we're getting an Overwatch story spinoff.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I always ask Bomberman (or Simon Belmont) supporters if they assume Snake is returning. Because, if not, the prediction is as impractical as it gets. If so, well, it seems like wishful thinking.

He is there but not Top 5 I don't think. But in general it is hard to predict Konami. I say Bomberman because of his closeness to Nintendo which was the deciding factor in my list.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The main problem with a First Person shooter rep is? How do you get the point across they're from a first person shooter in a third person fighting game?

You can't simply just say ''Well....guns." either.

 

[Morbi]

The main problem with a First Person shooter rep is? How do you get the point across they're from a first person shooter in a third person fighting game?

You can't simply just say ''Well....guns." either.

Just add an ADS mechanic.

In all seriousness, you could just have them use a final smash similar to Snake. It is not as though the first person nature needs to be thoroughly represented. As long as they are primarily shooting, I am sure your audience will discern the point.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

It is because there are so few feasible first-party characters left. Third-party characters are going to be the only way to drum up excitement beyond Ridley, King K. Rool and... Waluigi. Clearly a titan tier first-party candidate leading the pack, am I right?

Even then, I don't think we'll get so many new 3rd Party. I think 2-3 is just enough. I feel like the 3rd Party reps should never outnumber the number of reps Mario has.

I don't know. It's just something in my head that would make me feel like it's not a celebration of Nintendo gaming anymore. I know Smash is a celebration of all gaming with a focus on Nintendo. Too many 3rd parties would just sully the roster for me. I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Just add an ADS mechanic.

In all seriousness, you could just have them use a final smash similar to Snake. It is not as though the first person nature needs to be thoroughly represented. As long as they are primarily shooting, I am sure your audience will discern the point.

But then what makes them different from Fox/Falco, Bayonetta, and soon to be Inklings? They all use ''guns" or guns in their move set. Bayonetta especially primarily has her guns in most of her moves.

It's a prominent gaming genre that should be represented, but it's just really hard to get down the specialness of that genre if you just simply add a character from one and have them ''shoot" a lot.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I was going to type something about Contra making an appearance as a shooter character bc they'd fit Smash well as opposed to an FPS character, but then its owned by Konami, so never mind. Bomberman and Snake are both probably more likely as a character borrowed from those guys.

I thought I had a good idea, but Konami came through to disappoint me again...

 

[Guybrush20X6]

It is because there are so few feasible first-party characters left. Third-party characters are going to be the only way to drum up excitement beyond Ridley, King K. Rool and... Waluigi. Clearly a titan tier first-party candidate leading the pack, am I right?

I'd disagree on that assessment of "feasible" 1st party characters. The three you mentioned would generate the most hype but a lack of hype never stopped anyone getting into Smash

(Almost an OC when you think about it)
(Litterally his debut)
(at least in comparison to western support [and hatred] for Krystal at the time)
(Oh, the abuse this one took...)
(nuff said)

Heck, with WFT, the hype was from how unexpected she was. (so, not exactly "nuff said" but it is now.)

I don't dispute that 3rd parties bring the hype but I think one big one will do the trick over several moderate ones: be it an indie, a former PS mascot or a current captive of Bill Gates.

 

[Morbi]

But then what makes them different from Fox/Falco, Bayonetta, and soon to be Inklings? They all use ''guns" or guns in their move set. Bayonetta especially primarily has her guns in most of her moves.

It's a prominent gaming genre that should be represented, but it's just really hard to get down the specialness of that genre if you just simply add a character from one and have them ''shoot" a lot.

The types of gun, fam. I do not see Fox pulling out an M16 or Bayonetta packing a double barrel. Can the Inkling's quick-scope? Probably, honestly. Not really my point, however. First person shooters are not known for their laser pistols or fully automatic revolvers shooting paper replicas of 9mm rounds, that I can promise you. Snake is a much better representative with his rockets and Sakurai was purposely avoiding realistic weapons.

Master Chief has that laser sword and pink lock-on needle gun. Those are pretty iconic relative to a generic blaster or some arts and crafts pistols strapped to the *****'s legs. They are not indicative of shooters whatsoever and there is a reason, their games are not shooting games.

 

[Deleted member]

If the Metroid series consisted only or primarily of the Prime games, then I might've argued that was our "FPS rep". But that's not the case.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If the Metroid series consisted only or primarily of the Prime games, then I might've argued that was our "FPS rep". But that's not the case.

What if DARK Samus or Sylux got in?

(I guess they'd need to make use of FPS mechanics to be fair)

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

If the Metroid series consisted only or primarily of the Prime games, then I might've argued that was our "FPS rep". But that's not the case.

Duck Hunt is our "FPS rep"

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Duck Hunt is our "FPS rep"

When you think of it, you are actually right. Never really thought about it that way. The word Retro blinded me with the concept block of an idea. Nice.

 

[Nekoo]

Why is everyone so certain the 3rd Party reps will be so heavy this time around?

I think what he mean is in comparison, third party are way more profitable for Nintendo than "classic" nintendo characters.
I think we're ARE reaching the bottom of the barrel in terms of ACTUALLY WIDE MARKETABLE appeal first party characters that even soccer mom can know and that you can put on the box so they recognize the characters like "OH It's Pack-man/Megaman/Mario/Pikachu/Zelda (but it's in fact Link)/ Sonic"

Of course, we will always get surprise pick, and classic characters, but we shouldn't be surprised if Nintendo start to look around third parties more and more. Especially to appeal to the more "hardcore gamer" public that seems to be the target of the switch, compared to the way more familial and casual public from the Wii/Wii U

Let's be honest, a lot of CASUAL or NOT HARDCORE ninten do fan actually asks for third party, because for them they see Smash Bros like an actual cross-over, especially since brawl with Sonic and Snake, than a Nintendo crossover.

Third parties ACTUALLY create more worldwide hype than classic characters. JUST Look at Snake/ Sonic/Cloud breaking the Internet or the MEGAMAN THE SUPER FIGHTING ROBOOOOOT at his announcement, or the fact that the Pac-Man Trailer actually played with the fact he was the video game grand-dad and thanks to him, make the first WORLDWIDE video game icon match-up possible with Mario/Megaman/Sonic/Pac-man.

Or just Cloud...I'll just leave that here. Cloud. Nothing more to be said. NO ONE saw it coming, and I voted for him in the ballot as a joke since I got Roy already.

 

[Chandeelure]

I will bring life to this thread with more crappy rumours!

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[Pakky]

What about M. Bison?

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

It is because there are so few feasible first-party characters left. Third-party characters are going to be the only way to drum up excitement beyond Ridley, King K. Rool and... Waluigi. Clearly a titan tier first-party candidate leading the pack, am I right?

More proof that Nintendo need to reboot, retune, & redefine their their IPs.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I will bring life to this thread with more crappy rumours!

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It's been posted but has he explained further yet?

 

[Hinata]

It's been posted but has he explained further yet?

His only other tweet about this subject is just "confirming" that Smash Switch will be a whole new game.

 

[KingBroly]

Marcus Sellers is wrong 95% of the time, and the 5% of the time he is right he pulled a Wall Clock (only right twice a day because it's required)

My Newcomer Want List as I see it now:
1 - Ridley
2 - Banjo-Kazooie
3 - Impa
4 - Bomberman
5 - Captain Toad
6 - Cranky Kong
7 - Hades (Kid Icarus Uprising)
8 - Waluigi
9 - Isaac (Golden Sun)
10 - Dark Samus

 

[Crap-Zapper]

I was thinking, seeing that some people are rooting for Cranky Kong, why are they? I thought...

Then it actually hits me. He got canes, and could have the famous pogo stick move we all want... What other character utulize such a move? Shovel Knight. Now I'm actually considering Team Cranky over Shovel Knight. Is that weird? I mean, Cranky Kong IS a Nintendo first party character, and have had a playable role in Tropical Freeze, also, it does not matter, but he would be our first old-guy in Smash. Why not?

Still, I will always have my Crock and Swhirling Monkey Businiss as my first 2 DK Reps. I just don't see indies any likely UNTIL one actually takes part, and if that's the case, Shovel Knight would be awesome.

 

[Chandeelure]

It's been posted but has he explained further yet?

Oh.

I don't know.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

"Third parties will be heavily represented" doesn't even necessarily mean playable characters. Probably what he was going for though.

"Heavy" is relative and "representation" is ambiguous.

There are plenty of iconic and justifiable third party characters I would welcome. Cloud makes me a little uncomfortable but is fine and hopeful any future inclusions are not much more controversial than him.

I just hope the majority of newcomers are still 1st party.

A new assist trophy like item exclusively full of third party characters would be really cool for characters that are popular but don't really belong in the roster (subjectively speaking). Or more promotional Mii costumes.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I will bring life to this thread with more crappy rumours!

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Saying Ice Climbers are coming back is the safest **** in the world.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I think what he mean is in comparison, third party are way more profitable for Nintendo than "classic" nintendo characters.
I think we're ARE reaching the bottom of the barrel in terms of ACTUALLY WIDE MARKETABLE appeal first party characters that even soccer mom can know and that you can put on the box so they recognize the characters like "OH It's Pack-man/Megaman/Mario/Pikachu/Zelda (but it's in fact Link)/ Sonic"

Of course, we will always get surprise pick, and classic characters, but we shouldn't be surprised if Nintendo start to look around third parties more and more. Especially to appeal to the more "hardcore gamer" public that seems to be the target of the switch, compared to the way more familial and casual public from the Wii/Wii U

Let's be honest, a lot of CASUAL or NOT HARDCORE ninten do fan actually asks for third party, because for them they see Smash Bros like an actual cross-over, especially since brawl with Sonic and Snake, than a Nintendo crossover.

Third parties ACTUALLY create more worldwide hype than classic characters. JUST Look at Snake/ Sonic/Cloud breaking the Internet or the MEGAMAN THE SUPER FIGHTING ROBOOOOOT at his announcement, or the fact that the Pac-Man Trailer actually played with the fact he was the video game grand-dad and thanks to him, make the first WORLDWIDE video game icon match-up possible with Mario/Megaman/Sonic/Pac-man.

Or just Cloud...I'll just leave that here. Cloud. Nothing more to be said. NO ONE saw it coming, and I voted for him in the ballot as a joke since I got Roy already.

I see what you’re getting at, and I agree. I just can’t see some of the third parties being suggested. It’s just me in my own head, I know. It’s bias. I just don’t think Crash, Shovel Knight, Shantae, and characters like that have the same “star power” as Sonic, Megaman, Pac Man, Ryu, and Cloud. Like you were saying, EVERYONE, knows who they are. I don’t know. The only 3rd party I that I think deserves a spot is someone like Snake or Sora (from Kingdom Hearts.) Kingdom Hearts is extremely popular, but I know they have the Disney hurdle to jump over. With Nintendo doing the whole Universal Studio thing, I doubt Disney will let them use Sora. But could you imagine if Sora got into smash?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Saying Ice Climbers are coming back is the safest **** in the world.

Remember when we said that about Wolf? Exactly. We shouldn't really make too many "safe bets", cause we've been burned before.

 

[DLEAF]

If we're talking star power...

Fortnite Guy/Girl for Smash

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

If we're talking star power...

Fortnite Guy/Girl for Smash

I have no idea what this is. I’m out of the loop though.

 

[Mogu]

I'm not so sure about the whole "star power" bit to new 3rd parties for Smash Switch but I will say that I think Travis Touchdown, Crash and Bomberman are the most likely.

Remember when we said that about Wolf? Exactly. We shouldn't really make too many "safe bets", cause we've been burned before.

Plus, in this case it'd be freezer burn and that'd be nasty.

 

[Arcanir]

Hey, I made one of those bingo things!

I tried to pick only likely characters (and Lycanroc, who is the least likely on here)

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To be honest, Lycanroc is probably more likely then people give it credit for. Decidueye is by far the most popular choice among the Smash fandom, but a lot of people tend to forget it's still one of the most promoted Pokémon from the generation and one of the most popular among the general Pokémon fanbase as a whole. It has its own merits that can push it to being made a playable character, it just tends to be overlooked since there's another Pokémon that we've rallied behind.

Remember when we said that about Wolf? Exactly. We shouldn't really make too many "safe bets", cause we've been burned before.

In retrospect, Smash 4 in general really blindsided us due to our thoughts on safe bets. Thinking about it, the only characters we really got were Shulk, Little Mac, Mega Man, and Palutena. Maybe Bowser Jr., but at the time most of us wrote him off due to Rosalina being confirmed. DLC was even worse since the only character I think some got was Mewtwo, and even then there was the debate of whether we'd even get DLC in the first place.

It honestly makes me wonder how some of our 'shoo-ins' will fare this time around, we could be in for a few more surprises.

 

[Starcutter]

The only characters I'm going to put my confidence in are Rex, Isabelle and Bandana Waddle Dee.

I know to some people these are weird picks but I just can feel it in my bones

 

[Chandeelure]

The only characters I'm going to put my confidence in are Rex, Isabelle and Bandana Waddle Dee.

I know to some people these are weird picks but I just can feel it in my bones

Let's hope your bones are right...

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

I will bring life to this thread with more crappy rumours!

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Marcus Sellars?

I trust the credibility of just about every member of Smashboards over him

 

[Chron]

Just thought of something...

No region lock on Switch. Japanese language settings. Felicia.

 

[eltacoenojado]

I know I'm late to the party because this thread moves so fast at times, but here's my list:

1. Ridley
2. K Rool
3. Dixie
4. Isaac
5. Bandana Dee
6. Rayman
7. Waluigi


I guess that's it. I'm more concerned about getting Wolf and Ice Climbers back. I also want no cuts from WiiU/3ds.

I also don't want Link and Zelda to change. I like them the way they are. I know I'm in the minority on that.

 

[KingBroly]

Feels a little light on the 'leaks' side, tbh.

That thing from Sellars is so vague he can basically say he was right about everything he mentioned as long as it was in the ballpark.