Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Will]

im saying the image is not the way to debunk it. im saying omni proved even if the banner was FLAWLESS it could be fake.

To disprove the leak get ACP-PLV to say they arent working on smash or its very likely this is real. thats the leak.

I was just havin a goof wit you man. Actually why haven't people asked ACP-PLV?

 

[Heracr055]

I'm Team Silent until the game's out and then act like I knew the whole time whether it was real or fake.

I wish Team Silent was still a thing... ;-(

Edit: You kids need to go play some Silent Hill

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

 

[Fortnite4Smash]

It's evident that he's pretending to be Chadondorf. Anyone can play pretend, you'd have to be "ticking clocks" to not understand this, ****!

ticking clocks.... are you TehMarioPlumber!?!?!?

 

[Akiak]

Think I'm done for the day, but let me just say one thing...

SMASH, SMASH COMMUNITY, SMASHBOARDS, LEAKERS & GRINCHES, YOU DO NOT DISAPPOINT

Seriously, this has been insane. Eagerly awaiting the finale.

 

[Espio264]

So people are concluding that the background inconsistencies can be explained away but Greninja's tongue is a smoking gun? I'm right there with team fake but ya'll are desperate at this point. That or there's something in the water. I still don't believe the leak but calling it debunked all of a sudden after all this is ridiculous.

No. The smoking gun belongs to Snake, and it’s covering up Greninja’s tongue.

 

[Deleted member]

Stage Blog post on Tuesday? Something is up. Odds of direct being this week over next are up!

Wait. What? Hold up, can you catch me up, my familia?

 

[TVDart]

Stage Blog post on Tuesday? Something is up. Odds of direct being this week over next are up!

Blog is shifted over AND Gaming Intel is mentioning a direct announcement?
Oh god, I have to get up at 10am EST, how the hell am I supposed to sleep.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Im dropping smash from my game I like list after ultamate comes out like wow.

At least the Animal Crossing community isnt like this

Hey, it's neither the fault of the game nor the people who made it that some of their fans can be nasty and nuts at times.

There is no reason why you couldn't still enjoy the game and the series on your own. Don't let a fanbase (or, honestly, only a portion of it) totally spoil something for you.

Goodness, all Swamp did was post something he thought disproved it, and everyone freaks out.

Some people in Team Real and Team Fake need to chill a bit. Some people are getting very, very hostile and defensive, and is not at all making this community look good or inviting right now.

THIS

Again, folks, there's no reason to be at each other's throats over this. Doesn't matter if the proposed evidence turned out to be off, the debates don't need to be so damn hostile. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I recall, nobody here immediately got hostile in their defense of the tongue claims. It escalated after that. It didn't need to escalate.

 

[Will]

I wish Team Silent was still a thing... ;-(

It is still a thing. I'm a part of it. I'm just a self-appointed opinion judge of "hey man thats kinda rude "

 

[Tinarg]

I'm gonna put myself on team cautiously optimistic. I'll be ecstatic if it's real, but I don't wanna put all my eggs in one basket. We still have the chance of Ken and Incineroar being the last two newcomers.

 

[Honest Slug]

And the grinch, and chadondorf, etc etc.

This thread moves so fast that if I listed all the evidence towards the Grinch leak the post would be 20 pages behind schedule lol.

 

[tyrus+]

Geno and Isaac is all I need... Cmon Sakurai

 

[Idon]

Stage Blog post on Tuesday? Something is up. Odds of direct being this week over next are up!

It's so close, I can taaaaaste it.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

.....................

so long grinch, it was nice knowing ye.

Thanks for making discussion hype again.

Now...we're back to the black depths of Kencineroar despair.

And now Shadow is in danger again.....................................

kms

Late. Again.

 

[vaanrose]

I don't know what you are talking about there is pink here:

I'm talking about this.

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See the pink within the light blue circle? That is what I was talking about a few pages back. Doesn't that look like part of Greninja's tongue?

 

[ExitWound]

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

Waluigi

welp

 

[doomedtacox]

The most important thing we must never forget is to mourn our dear friend Waluigi.

RIP Waluigi for Ultimate: 2018-2018

 

[CosmicQuark]

https://twitter.com/MysticDistance/status/1057116154722967557
I'd like to say we did get a shoutout from Mystic for being respectful, can we please not be so hard on our community now?

This is very gracious of Mystic, and it's really unfortunate that this has happened. I was highly skeptical, given how bizarre the situation was, the initial change on the banner, the info dump, seemingly contradictory information, though also gave the benefit of the doubt (mainly due to account for my own biases). It's always important, even in disagreements, to be civil.

I will say, though, I saw posts earlier blaming the Smash community--a small, very vocal portion deserves blame for the harassment, though I feel uncomfortable generalizing that to the whole community. And this is information Mystic shared on their own accord, and even encouraged questions (though, probably didn't realize the scope involved in that). That having been said, at worst, Mystic is guilty of being too altruistic in trying to give as much information to help us as a community as possible. Definitely doesn't deserve the hatred, being called a liar, and all of the other harassment that arose, and I certainly wish this hadn't happened and potentially cost them their job and livelihood. No "juicy leaks" is worth that.

Also, about the people that sent death threats--what the **** is wrong with them, it's a ****ing video game. What?! I wish Mystic well and hope they're able to overcome this.

 

[Jetsurge]

While doing my research to disprove the Greninja tongue theory (I did, see my previous post) I found some interesting pictures of Greninja and his tongue:

 

[link3710]

Shouldn't we be discussing the actual game and not uhh... whatever we are right now?

Unfortunately, we haven't been given basically any new information on the actual game in almost 3 months. Not much to discuss.

 

[KiBom]

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

Goldeneye Bond would've been amazing. Can't see it happening now, but might've back in Melee.

 

[NewAccount8998]

Stage Blog post on Tuesday? Something is up. Odds of direct being this week over next are up!

AHHHH, NOVEMBER 8TH BROS
SELL SELL SELL

 

[amazonevan19]

Boy, Grinch is still alive. You missed four on the whole debate that in the end put us back right where we started

WAIT WHAT

god damn and here I thought the grinch was really dead...phew

 

[Noipoi]

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

Anime Meowth got robbed. He totally should've been in.

 

[papagenos]

I was just havin a goof wit you man. Actually why haven't people asked ACP-PLV?

its all good i didnt take offense or anything

i just felt i should point out that yes im hypocritically pointing out both:

why inconsistencies on a printed shrunk image dont make it fake.
and also that omnis flawless rayman doesnt mean its real.

the hypocrisy is the point im making the image isnt the answer here, its addressing the surrounding evidence, the full picture of this leak is why its so darn credible.

 

[Deleted member]

I wish Team Silent was still a thing... ;-(

I was completely silent in this thread until I made that post. We're just lurking in the shadows.

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

For me it was Alucard. I mean, realistically I didn't expect to see him at all. That doesn't change that I want to play has him though.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

You've been nothing but an unpleasant jerk the whole time. Get some self-awareness before you try to **** on people, not after.

I can't say I agree with that. There are people here who are clearly very much worse.

 

[TVDart]

Geno and Isaac is all I need... Cmon Sakurai

Pray for Masked Man DLC!

 

[S_B]

I was thinking about it today and there's only one thing I can really find wrong with this leak: it feels scripted.

I firmly believe that the actual images are almost entirely red herrings, and that the details of the remainder of the leak are what matter, and those are where the whole thing feels the most "scripted" to me.

As I mentioned in the previous thread, Marina and ACP are both real companies, and you can tell from their registrar info that they've been around for a WHILE: Marina's was registered 9/03/2004 and ACP was 3/02/2005 (all of which is publicly available information, btw).

And yet it's the involvement of not one but TWO paper product advertising companies that so perfectly allows the narrative to write itself. We've seen Bricard's former employer (Marina) tell everyone to step the **** off lest they loose the hordes of angry winged lawyers on them for bringing this negative attention to their firm. This is an entirely hollow threat (they can't sue a fake leaker because people got the wrong idea about where a former employee works), but it's the CORRECT reaction that a PLV firm should have to their reputation being compromised.

...Which is what make's ACP's silence THAT much more conspicuous. If Bricard doesn't actually work there and/or they don't work with Nintendo/Bamco, then they should've absolutely published a statement saying so, and we KNOW that this is what they should've done because, what luck! We just so happen to have a second PLV firm present to show us exactly how an innocent PLV firm would react to this kind of speculation.

When potential new clients go to search for info on ACP, they're going to read an AWFUL lot about an employee of ACP allegedly leaking confidential client info, but they're not going to find any sort of official statement rebuking these claims, and that will literally KILL their business in due time.

This, plus the fact that Bricard conveniently had two LinkedIn profiles, including an older one that listed Marina as his employer, is what makes the whole thing feel "scripted", like we were meant to find this info and Marina was intended to show us how a PLV company SHOULD be reacting to this sort of thing.

I feel crazy for even saying this, but at the back of my mind, I wonder if the person behind all of this is none other than Sakurai himself.

I know that's bonkers to even suggest, but what if this whole thing is a carefully orchestrated ruse that he put into place because, given that this is his last SSB game, he wanted to go out like a legend.

There's so much going on here that makes it appear that everything is in chaos, but in a way, doesn't THAT feel kind of scripted as well? All of the insiders and gaming news outlets that seem to not want to discuss THIS particular leak when they've been happy to discuss so many others... Wouldn't Nintendo have told them to "just act casual" if they really wanted the leak downplayed? Their actions just make it that much more suspicious, giving it even more credence.

It wouldn't be the first time a game developer has run an ARG for their fans to unravel, and Sakurai knows just how much the SSB fanbase goes insane over leaks.

Imagine, at the end of all of this, in the final direct, Sakurai reveals that Marina and ACP were in it all along, and then drops the Grinch on us, a character we'd never peg as playable in a thousand years, says, "That's right. It was me all along. Do I know my fans, or what?" and goes down in history as an absolute LEGEND of trickery and misdirection.

It's completely unrealistic, but man, would that be the perfect end to the most insane prerelease hype cycle a game has ever seen or what?

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Ok, here’s a non-leak discussion topic:

Is there a character that you wanted previously and probably had a shot in appearing but due to reasons, it never happened for one reason or another?

For me, anime Meowth would had been a better Pokemon rep thank Jigglypuff. It would of been awesome to had him in 64.

Ayumi is cool. I also would have been cool with James Bond.

 

[Heracr055]

It is still a thing. I'm a part of it. I'm just a self-appointed opinion judge of "hey man thats kinda rude "

Wrong Team Silent my dude

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Hey, it's neither the fault of the game nor the people who made it that some of their fans can be nasty and nuts at times.

There is no reason why you couldn't still enjoy the game and the series on your own. Don't let a fanbase (or, honestly, only a portion of it) totally spoil something for you.

You right but, man is it disheartening to see everyone killing eachother with words everytime a leak is involved. Kinda sours the taste, know what I mean?

 

[Swaggy-G]

Here's a topic I haven't seen yet: How is the Japanese fanbase reacting to this? Are they aware of it? Can any bilingual user enlighten us?

 

[FalconFire93]

Hey, it's neither the fault of the game nor the people who made it that some of their fans can be nasty and nuts at times.

There is no reason why you couldn't still enjoy the game and the series on your own. Don't let a fanbase (or, honestly, only a portion of it) totally spoil something for you.

This is a statement I can get behind and agree with wholeheartedly. *claps*

 

[Will]

The most important thing we must never forget is to mourn our dear friend Waluigi.

RIP Waluigi for Ultimate: 2018-2018

B-B-But Waluigi is a symbol of hate and all of his fans are mean people to Sakurai!!! >:^(

 

[StrawHatX]

While doing my research to disprove the Greninja tongue theory (I did, see my previous post) I found some inetresting pictures of Greninja and his tongue:
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Thanks. I hate it.

 

[Opossum]

I can't say I agree with that. There are people here who are clearly very much worse.

Someone being worse doesn't give someone free reign to act like a slightly less horrible person.

 

[Deleted member]

While doing my research to disprove the Greninja tongue theory (I did, see my previous post) I found some inetresting pictures of Greninja and his tongue:
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Whenever I see Greninja's tongue as an actual tongue and not just a scarf I am always deeply disturbed.

 

[Das Koopa]

Omni's leak isn't even comparable to this.

One Rayman render doesn't come close to an entire banner with 7 new characters plus new art for characters obscured by elements of the banner with equipment and all sorts of details that perfectly matches the environment of ACP. They even shut down a video that helped the leak on a weekend.

I agree, but it's not impossible for an employee at ACP to leak this. That's my hypotheses.