Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KMDP]

Well, we know Robin has to get some edit to their Final Smash, and Yoshi's likely in the same boat because of how his old Final Smash worked.

Alongside that, we know Yoshi is getting that new Crafted World costume. Does that count?

Hmm... we might see their (Robin and Yoshi's) new Final Smashes in the next Smash Direct.

At least Zinith will (probably) be happy!

...Anyway, I've gotta jet.

 

[Iridium]

Or, in my opinion,

Sakurai will just continue to blog shortly after the game’s release. There’s no reason to stop. This game isn’t just for veterans. Newbies might go on the website on December 16th or something and see a blog for Bayonetta and be like “OH SNAP BAYO IS IN?! I GOTTA GET THIS GAME FOR CHRISTMAS!”

Uh, okay...

I see where you're going, although I'm lost at the veterans part, but I can definitely see it going past that when more characters are revealed.

There's also the multitude of ATs, items and music as well to occupy specific days (I just want to see the Killing Edge).

has anyone ever considered that blog posts can happen after the game is out?

Yes. That's where the last sentence comes in, because I can't really guarantee that it will finish before the release date.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey did the little mac banner clipping get debunked

Yes Because that part was a photoshoped little Mac this whole time lol

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Are you suggesting a good old-fashioned witch hunt?

Because it's definitely the season for one.

Pitchforks are on sale right now for $12, but $5 if you also buy a torch (sold separately for $4).

Belted Capotains (the stereotypical Puritan hat) and American Settler Outfits are also on sale for a true Salem feeling.

You, I like how you think...

 

[Dee Dude]

remember when we made silly grinch memes when the leak was first shown?

yeah, look how far we’ve come now...

 

[TreeBranch]

https://twitter.com/donjupiter_/status/1056751466596261888?s=21

Hey people, I dunno if you saw this, but awhile ago I posted some Inkling evidence I noticed but I guess it was taken down or something because I DID NOT delete it. Anyway, I also mention the high res picture of Inkling showing that she is indeed looking at something

This seems crazy enough to actually mean something, though it probably doesn't

 

[PsySmasher]

Hope we get Grima Robin alt but the final smash intrigues me now that Chrom is in.

3 Legendary Banners gone by and I still haven't gotten her. And I've gotten at least 1 legendary hero per banner the past 3 months.

has anyone ever considered that blog posts can happen after the game is out?

Yeah. The more often they do 2 character weeks, especially with multiple characters left to be revealed, the more likely I see the blog not getting to all the characters before launch.

 

[Jgt044]

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Is Mystic saying that this fanbase is doing exactly what I thought it was doing: abusing someone who's just trying to give us the information that we oh-so-desperately want? Yes. He is.

Seriously you guys. Give the dude a break.

I agree with this sentiment. Lay off the guy and give him some time before you make snap-judgements. I get that we're heated over the Grinch leak, but at the end of the day it's a ****ing video game and all of this will mean little to nothing a couple of weeks from now.

This post actually inspired me to send him a nice PM. Just wanted to make sure he's ok at least lol.

Hopefully he sees this message...

 

[Chrollo.]

Or, in my opinion,

Sakurai will just continue to blog shortly after the game’s release. There’s no reason to stop. This game isn’t just for veterans. Newbies might go on the website on December 16th or something and see a blog for Bayonetta and be like “OH SNAP BAYO IS IN?! I GOTTA GET THIS GAME FOR CHRISTMAS!”

Pretty sure he was posting on Mii Verse still even after the Wii U release so it’s definitely likely he still posts after the game releases

 

[Capybara Gaming]

i feel like a broken clock but i love how the leak believers all conveniently forget sakurai's statements, which this leak badly contradicts.


- Masahiro Sakurai
also all the glaring visual flaws and inconsistencies with the backstory that people have identified but which are basically ignored because it may mean the leak isn't actually real.

For the millionth time, Sakurai could easily be tempering expectations for a big blowout on Nintendo's biggest holiday game in the Switch's lifespan (not that he needs to.)

Sakurai has also said:
- Ridley in Smash wouldn't be faithful to Ridley as a character
- Villager, Miis, and Pac-Man aren't suited for fighting in Smash
- Bayonetta won the Smash Ballot
- Fire Emblem is oversaturated as is before Corrin, and now Chrom
- Brawl would be his last Smash

 

[Deleted member]

People are upset that journalists and insiders are calling it fake, and they want them to say it's real because people want this to be real.

It might not be, though. You guys wanted them to comment, and they have. What more do you want? Them to lie and say "It's totally real, guys!" when for all we know, it isn't? These people do not have the power to will most wanteds into existence, so why pester them? Seriously, why? What does it solve? Nothing, it solves absolutely nothing, besides spreading immature and toxic behavior.

These are real people. For those laying into them, perhaps take a second before posting to think about that?

 

[Fane]

i feel like a broken clock but i love how the leak believers all conveniently forget sakurai's statements, which this leak badly contradicts.


- Masahiro Sakurai
also all the glaring visual flaws and inconsistencies with the backstory that people have identified but which are basically ignored because it may mean the leak isn't actually real.

We generally never know what Sakurai means.

He's stated for Sm4sh and Brawl, I believe, that we weren't going to see a lot of new characters.

Sure, he says we aren't going to see a bunch of character reveal trailers. Doesn't mean characters CAN'T share trailers like Richter + Simon. Robin, Lucina, and Captain Falcon in Sm4sh.(Even though Falcon wasn't a newcomer, it was still a reveal) It's not implausible.

Also the visual flaws have for the most part been excusable via artifacting, image blur distortion, and the fact that the background has also changed slightly in previous iterations of the current one.

Being open-minded about this leak is better than being inconsiderate and dismissive, it's been impossible to debunk, and taking the word of insiders/leakers as gospel has always been flawed and poor judgement. They don't know everything despite how confident and stubborn they are about their information.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes Because that part was a photoshoped little Mac this whole time lol

But for real no because I found this

 

[Polan]

They aren't dropping reveals trailers all the way up until release if they have just one direct left. Regardless this statement is open to interpretation.

no it's not. it's pretty clear cut: we overdid it with the reveals and we don't have that many left so please be ready to wait a bit. any other interpretation is trying to twist it to say something else. it also lines up with the reveal schedule (no reveal for october despite having 7 characters left?), sakurai's previous statements ("i hope you weren't expecting too many newcomers" and "we'll have a few more to announce later" as well as his repeated emphasizing on how difficult it was to bring back everyone back) unless they are all shoved into one brawl styled trailer or there's like 3 or 4 directs during the month of november then i don't see how sakurai is lying or misdirecting anyone here.

 

[Arcanir]

It makes sense , issac was likely the reason the direct was push to a week after , so they had to put isabelle fast trying to put it in, cause of this it realy messed up the art, cause it was rush.

This is practically impossible.
1) Isabelle's trailer was attached to the Animal Crossing Switch announcement, the only place that would've been revealed is in a General Direct.
2) The blog data we have has Isabelle's Debut Trailer, Character Trailer, and Memory as the next blog entries following the previous update and they fit in nicely to the missing slots.
3) The banner has already been stated multiple times by graphic designers to not be hiding anything, but a result of how the banner image works on the site.

Absolutely nothing shows that Isaac was planned to be revealed in the September Direct and even less implies that Isabelle was shoved in to replace him. It's all an unsubstantiated fan theory, nothing more.

 

[bountyhunta87]

3 Legendary Banners gone by and I still haven't gotten her. And I've gotten at least 1 legendary hero per banner the past 3 months.



Yeah. The more often they do 2 character weeks, especially with multiple characters left to be revealed, the more likely I see the blog not getting to all the characters before launch.

I have the worst luck during legendary banners

 

[Whia]

i feel like a broken clock but i love how the leak believers all conveniently forget sakurai's statements, which this leak badly contradicts.


- Masahiro Sakurai
also all the glaring visual flaws and inconsistencies with the backstory that people have identified but which are basically ignored because it may mean the leak isn't actually real.

That statement in no way contradicts the leak. They haven't been dropping trailers all the way up to release. We've got one reveal in 3 months. A massive info dump ≠ consistent reveals the rest of the way.

 

[Starbound]

But for real no because I found this
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This has already been disproven as it's due to image compression on a .jpg

Y'all could at least pretend to acknowledge team fake every once in a while instead of claiming we're doing jack.

 

[TreeBranch]

Guys, I've been thinking, and Mach Rider has to be in. Remember when she came in and ended sexism and homophobia? She just exploded in on her mad max bike and saved smash from being dominated by men. What an icon
This is my favorite ****post from the leak thank you Onua

 

[Paperchampion23]

People are upset that journalists and insiders are calling it fake, and they want them to say it's real because people want this to be real.

It might not be, though. You guys wanted them to comment, and they have. What more do you want? Them to lie and say "It's totally real, guys!" when for all we know, it isn't? These people do not have the power to will most wanteds into existence, so why pester them? Seriously, why? What does it solve? Nothing, it solves absolutely nothing, besides spreading immature and toxic behavior.

These are real people. For those laying into them, perhaps take a second before posting to think about that?

Because now even an insider with the best of intentions, is giving us conflicting information between his own tweets.

>Says banner is fake
>Confirms Shadow, Ken, Isaac and Geno
>Confirms Incineroar
>Says he doesn't know about the rest
>Specifically mentions he didnt deconfirm chorus kids, Mach Rider and Banjo
>But then confirms Chorus Kids....Ken and Isaac only?
>then says he's not sure about Geno....
>says banner is "likely" fake


See my point?

I'm personally not upset, I just don't care what they have to say tbh, especially after this.

 

[Kuraudo]

Uh, okay...

I see where you're going, although I'm lost at the veterans part, but I can definitely see it going past that when more characters are revealed.

There's also the multitude of ATs, items and music as well to occupy specific days (I just want to see the Killing Edge).


Yes. That's where the last sentence comes in, because I can't really guarantee that it will finish before the release date.

Sorry ‘bout the lack of clarity. I’ll try again. What I mean is non-Smash Bros. fans could come across the site via nintendo.com (slim I know but taking a neutral marketing stance not only avoids patterns that us hungrier fans will try to pick apart, but can catch an even wider demographic.)

A non-Smash player sees a blog about a character or stage or item or SOMETHING that makes them want to buy the game. It’d be smart to keep blogs coming after the release of the game to catch the latecomers (ie. parents?) who are gonna check out and buy this game in the ensuing holiday rush.

In fact, I would wager that we WON’T see all the characters by Dec. 7th; ESPECIALLY with potentially 7 more characters unannounced on the way. I don’t believe in any blog theory.

 

[osby]

Guys, I've been thinking, and Mach Rider has to be in. Remember when she came in and ended sexism and homophobia? She just exploded in on her mad max bike and saved smash from being dominated by men. What an icon
This is my favorite ****post from the leak thank you Onua

At this point, I'm just glad the leak made us talk about Mach Rider and whatnot instead of the same characters over and over. Before the whole conversation turning into... something else.

 

[Dayseh]

But for real no because I found this
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I mean even without that little green pixel, the cutoff is EXACTLY where Isaac was. Honestly I think this is what makes it real for me

 

[ShadowGamer193]

Well I’ll be off for now. Hopefully we can stop going back and forth by the morning. Have fun ~

 

[Deleted member]

This has already been disproven as it's due to image compression on a .jpg

Y'all could at least pretend to acknowledge team fake every once in a while instead of claiming we're doing jack.

Ok but is the mystic thing been disproven yet?

 

[Weeman]

Someone brought this up for the Isaac theory
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The Greench really is a heel.

 

[KMDP]

https://twitter.com/donjupiter_/status/1056751466596261888?s=21

Hey people, I dunno if you saw this, but awhile ago I posted some Inkling evidence I noticed but I guess it was taken down or something because I DID NOT delete it. Anyway, I also mention the high res picture of Inkling showing that she is indeed looking at something

Some people were confused about what exactly you meant with this thread last time you posted it (apparently due to information overload from other stuff).

I actually got what you were saying, and it seems kosher to me (for what good my word is), if a little bonkers.

Wow, blacking out that word worked just about as well as blacking out the Grinch leaker's name.

What? Nick is clearly saying dastards.

You don't use that word in everyday conversation?

 

[Noipoi]

Remember a few hours ago when I asked if we could keep it together for one more week?

Yeah me neither.

 

[S_B]

What is this, Fox News? I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but that's the only parallel I can draw to this.

Here's a real news flash: there is no fake news here, and there is no misinformation campaign.

I hate that my idea of Nintendo trying to prevent leaks, which was largely dismissed didn't gain traction until it became convenient to argue against Team Fake, has been taken to an extreme level to portray Nintendo as a 7th dimensional chess master dangling fake information in front of every insider. @Sephazon can tell you that instead of doing misinformation, Nintendo would tell people not to talk about or cover this instead. He's actually worked for Nintendo and works closely with them through Nintendo Life, so he would know things like this.

I'm sincerely sorry that I introduced this idea only for it to be warped into the abomination that it is today.

Steve Jobs was using this exact tactic (feeding bogus info to various employees and seeing which info surfaces) to ferret out leaks at Apple decades ago, and I'm sure he wasn't the first to use the tactic, either.

 

[NineS]

This post actually inspired me to send him a nice PM. Just wanted to make sure he's ok at least lol.

View attachment 173202

Hopefully he sees this message...

Poor guy.
He's gonna be thrown to the streets sometime next week because his roommate lied about paying rent.

He's probably not gonna be online for a long while after next week.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Sorry ‘bout the lack of clarity. I’ll try again. What I mean is non-Smash Bros. fans could come across the site via nintendo.com (slim I know but taking a neutral marketing stance not only avoids patterns that us hungrier fans will try to pick apart, but can catch an even wider demographic.)

A non-Smash player sees a blog about a character or stage or item or SOMETHING that makes them want to buy the game. It’d be smart to keep blogs coming after the release of the game to catch the latecomers (ie. parents?) who are gonna check out and buy this game in the ensuing holiday rush.

In fact, I would wager that we WON’T see all the characters by Dec. 7th; ESPECIALLY with potentially 7 more characters unannounced on the way. I don’t believe in any blog theory.

I thought Blog theory had something for a while. Even thought Music theory was going some place. But most if not all theories crumble. Just looking for a patterns. Which is fun to do, but can often time be conspiracy theory territory.

except for box theory. that one is true.

 

[TreeBranch]

At this point, I'm just glad the leak made us talk about Mach Rider and whatnot instead of the same characters over and over. Before the whole conversation turning into... something else.

Yeah, I never really gave much thought to Mach Rider before, but now I'd be more than happy with her inclusion after this. A character on a bike for her entire moveset sounds insane, but Sakurai could make it super cool

 

[Deleted member]

Isabelle was shown because Nintendo revealed her with a new Animal Crossing. The delayed blog posts were factually proven to be for her. The music was for her. Sakurai's Famitsu column was for only her, and mentioned slowing down the pace. There is nothing factually pointing towards Isaac being in the September Direct.

There is no grand conspiracy.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Being Team Hmm and having Isaac kinda confirmed really makes me feel kinda free from all of this nonsense

Ehhhh? Have I missed something here?

 

[Starbound]

Remember a few hours ago when I asked if we could keep it together for one more week?

Yeah me neither.

The scary thing is we don't know if we've hit rock bottom yet or if we're still falling.

 

[TreeBranch]

Remember a few hours ago when I asked if we could keep it together for one more week?

Yeah me neither.

Oof sorry famerino. With the Grinch, no way!

 

[Iridium]

I still want to see people try this again. I can give it a shot...

If we can, of course.

 

[perfectchaos83]

What is this, Fox News? I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but that's the only parallel I can draw to this.

Here's a real news flash: there is no fake news here, and there is no misinformation campaign.

I hate that my idea of Nintendo trying to prevent leaks, which was largely dismissed didn't gain traction until it became convenient to argue against Team Fake, has been taken to an extreme level to portray Nintendo as a 7th dimensional chess master dangling fake information in front of every insider. @Sephazon can tell you that instead of doing misinformation, Nintendo would tell people not to talk about or cover this instead. He's actually worked for Nintendo and works closely with them through Nintendo Life, so he would know things like this.

I'm sincerely sorry that I introduced this idea only for it to be warped into the abomination that it is today.

I'll go out and say I was all for Verge having misinformation from such a campaign when it was only him talking about Incineroar. Now, though, There was obviously something there besides Verge. To Think that this many people are caught in that trap is... flabbergasting to say the least.

 

[S_B]

Hey.

I've been involved in leaks before.

Wanna know what you should never do? This.

This ****. Is horrendous.

NEVER GO AFTER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION

Do you want the Smash community to go into straight up slimeball territory?

Holy crap, I'm not saying to DOX the guy, but we have only a single threadbare linkedin profile and the word of someone who says they called ACP and were told that Eric works there.

A second reliable source that he actually works there would be perfect, and he could've easily posted that on any number of other social media sites where it's public knowledge but we just haven't found it yet.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Well I'm finally caught up on this thread after speedreading through a ton of it. Overall I'm neutral on if the Grinch leak is true or not, and I have no particular investment in it as I already got my five big wants from the roster while I would just want it to be true for the sake of others, so I won't care much either way it goes. However whether the Grinch leak is true or what the insiders say is true, it is nice to get a soft confirmation that box theory is bogus and there's more than Kencineroar left.