Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KMDP]

cuz he's saying what the community wants to hear. if he said anything else, he would be getting flamed and sent death threats.

He's saying what people want to hear.

Which is an explanation of what, specifically, he has heard (or as much as he can tell us).

T TheBazry64 's point still stands.
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Anyway, about MysticDistance's twitter thread, he says:

-Ken and Shadow should be in.
-Incineroar should be in.

...but... Ken and Shadow are in the Grinch Leak, did he miss them?

Can someone go to him and ask him what he means by that? (I don't have a Twitter... well, I do, but I haven't used it in over a year, barely used it in itself and it was probably deleted, either that or I just plain can't remember what the username was).

 

[Darkraid]

I'm telling ya. Look out for the costumes from Smash 4 to be playable in Ultimate

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

He already left an entire franchise in the dust after adding only one fighter and nothing more

There's a big difference here...
F-zero's been dormant
Rhythm Heaven has not...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Like Papa Genos said, I'm fairly certain we're past the point of the leak being fake. That's not to say there isn't anything fishy.

No, we're very much still in the realm of it being fake.

Look, I believe that most of the insider discourse and universal comment that something is off comes down to this: It lacks Incineroar, who is in the game, but has the rest of the remaining roster alongside some characters no one had heard of from their sources. Insiders not only doubt the leak, but their own sources as they might not have the full picture. Therefore, they're overall confused and agitated as they're hounded for answers that they don't even have by the larger Smash fanbase.

Back to #TeamFake for me.

 

[Noipoi]

Am I in the Season 2 poster?

you are now

 

[LetterO]

Takamaru says hi.

Unlike Takamaru, a Rhythm Heaven character was actually worked on, and they wouldn't be cut for obscurity like Takamaru was.

 

[CannonStreak]

You're in the Season two poster

What about me?

 

[TriforceBun]

Gonna say something that's completely without any merit but...


The landing page/about page says "72 characters!" right?



I just find it hella odd that if we add these 7, they would have cut it off at 79 and not thrown in an extra Echo to make it 80.

That, and the "Characters" page will have 1 blank spot next to the final revealed character.

If we count the Mii Fighters as 3, then I think we end up with 81 (assuming the leak is real). Nintendo could reasonably advertise "Over 80 characters!" in that case.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

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I'm 99% sure Mach Rider is in.

i think that figure even goes beyond the gun for a reference. The visor helmet, the shoulder pads, the muscular build, it's almost 1 to 1 with mach rider

 

[Noipoi]

Once again, the fate of the world hangs on Incineroar. For some amazing reason, he is the key to all this.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

He's saying what people want to hear.

Which is an explanation of what, specifically, he has heard (or as much as he can tell us).

T TheBazry64 's point still stands.
---
Anyway, about MysticDistance's twitter thread, he says:

...but... Ken and Shadow are in the Grinch Leak, did he miss them?

Can someone go to him and ask him what he means by that? (I don't have a Twitter... well, I do, but I haven't used it in over a year, barely used it in itself and it was probably deleted, either that or I just plain can't remember what the username was).

I think he's basically just saying that that matches up with what he knows. Basically, if he's saying that Ken and Shadow should be in, Incineroar should be in as well.

I think we could be looking at something that results in the banner characters being partially right, and Vergeben only being slightly wrong. It's going to be incredibly interesting from here on out, indeed.

 

[Chrollo.]

It goes without saying that Mystic DID NOT deconfirm Banjo, Mach Rider, or the Chorus Kids. He just couldn't confirm them. When says "most of the characters are real", it's obvious he's talking about all the ones he can confirm, while the ones he can't are left unconfirmed. If he felt that any of those three were fake he would've said so. The contradiction of the leak can easily be something else.

 

[vaanrose]

This will be the last thing I have to say on this whole ordeal.

The community has reached the point where they're using incorrect evidence to prove the leak is true. These image cuts and pixel colors are not evidence to the leak's legitimacy.. I will hold that opinion even should the leak be proven real.

The things that I have pointed out about the background are demonstrably true. Those discrepancies exist and you cannot argue them away. You can argue why they're there, in the same way you can argue why "disabled" was misspelled on the ESRB leak, and that is why I have never stated that it "proves" the leak false. Since Omni has offered this opinion himself, I'll reiterate it, because it's exactly the possible explanation for these discrepancies that I've had on the backburner myself. There is always the chance that the empty background was reverse engineered from the actual banner, because they were never sent the empty one. I consider it very unlikely, but the scenario exists if we operate under the belief that this company is responsible for designing these displays, and not just printing them. I have never claimed the background discrepancies prove the leak fake because I have always allowed for a situation, however unlikely in my mind, where they're present and it's still true.

I have further offered opinions that help the validity of the leak, only to have those ignored in favor of weaker arguments that I'm continually asked to restate my opinion on. People seem desperate to prove me wrong when I've offered supporting evidence wherever I saw it. I consider the fact that the banner has been proven to wrap cleanly around the cylinder to be good evidence in support of the leak. And yet, twice today I was tagged and linked to a post insisting the display isn't actually accurate at all as a counter to my arguments about the background, even though this itself would be a counter against the very evidence I gave that I believe helps the leak. I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

 

[FantasyBlade]

Although it's disappointing, I think there's a decent chance some characters from the leak are fake, like Banjo, Chorus Kids, and Mach Rider. In my eyes that makes it a little easier to reconcile the leak with Sakurai's comments about not expecting too many newcomers. If those three are out and Incineroar is in, then there's only five characters left for the base roster, if Lloyd is DLC, which is a more believable amount of newcomers remaining. If that's the case, then maybe the leak was actually fake, and just had a couple of lucky guesses.

Outside of that, the leak definitely seems to be mostly real up to this point.

 

[Androobie]

Am I in the Season 2 poster?

I second this.

Noipoi

 

[Paperchampion23]

If anything, I think the inconsistency with the banner is placement, poses, or missing characters if Mystic is right.
That means a lot of newcomers:
Inkling
Daisy
Ridley
Simon
Richter
Chrom
Dark Samus
K. Rool
Isabelle
Isaac
Banjo Kazooie
Chorus Kids
Mach Rider
Geno
Ken
Shadow
Incineroar
Lloyd
That’d insane. Best group of newcomers by far.

Well Lloyd was mentioned as a prime candidate for DLC. Not base. Still absolutely nuts though regardless

 

[Kirbunny431]

He's saying what people want to hear.

Which is an explanation of what, specifically, he has heard (or as much as he can tell us).

T TheBazry64 's point still stands.
---
Anyway, about MysticDistance's twitter thread, he says:

...but... Ken and Shadow are in the Grinch Leak, did he miss them?

Can someone go to him and ask him what he means by that? (I don't have a Twitter... well, I do, but I haven't used it in over a year, barely used it in itself and it was probably deleted, either that or I just plain can't remember what the username was).

The way I understood it, he just meant the Grinch leak is accurate in regard to Ken and Shadow (as well as Isaac and Geno).

 

[Wambo]

So the reason people(Insiders) are pressing X to doubt here are:


Incineroar is not there

Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Banjo ARE there, which apparently none have heard about except for Papageno's lone source

Because it's SOOO impossible to believe that there are three characters they hadn't heard of at all, like with K.Rool.

I really hope this leak is legit so I can witness the awesome backlash against all the shills.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Banjo being in the banner leak automatically makes it not possible to be leak bait.

So its either real but some of the first party characters didn’t make it in.

Or its the most genius fake leak in Smash history based on what Mystic is saying.

 

[T3Z3R1]

You're in the Season two poster

Am I in Season 2 poster?

 

[Ura]

If anything i'm just glad that Mystic outed Isaac as one of the "safe" characters from the leak. Because he's really the only 1st party character I cared about in the leak.

Banjo on the other hand I can see not being in but that would really suck as someone who wants the bear and bird in Smash.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Takamaru says hi.

Takamaru was considered... Not planned
There's a big difference

 

[ExitWound]

>this entire thread right now

 

[Kuraudo]

Look I just hope we get Lloyd in as DLC so that one obsessive Lloyd fan can finally stop making fake leaks about Lloyd.

I'll take Lloyd because, hey, Tales of Symphonia (the Tales series in general) is awesome.

But secondly and more importantly?

I know Fighting of the Spirit originated in Phantasia, but Symphonia used it too dangit.

 

[Roxas215]

Hmmm....... I'm not quite sure what to think of this leak.

On one hand, it being true would require a level of dishonesty from Sakurai and Nintendo that I previously thought was nearly impossible.

On the other hand, team real has made a very compelling case for its authenticity.

............

At this point, I believe the preponderance of evidence is in team real's favor.

To be fair if this whole "Issac" theory is true then we weren't supposed to have this many newcomers left to be revealed anyway. So Sakurai's statement would of still be true.


And with all these characters we only have 9 "uniques" that's less then any other smash game anyway.

 

[ItsZant]

Shadow is in??!??

 

[lightdrago]

You're in the Season two poster

Is the cast of season one going to be there so you can claim “Everyone is Here!”?

 

[FallofBrawl]

This will be the last thing I have to say on this whole ordeal.

The community has reached the point where they're using incorrect evidence to prove the leak is true. These image cuts and pixel colors are not evidence to the leak's legitimacy.. I will hold that opinion even should the leak be proven real.

The things that I have pointed out about the background are demonstrably true. Those discrepancies exist and you cannot argue them away. You can argue why they're there, in the same way you can argue why "disabled" was misspelled on the ESRB leak, and that is why I have never stated that it "proves" the leak false. Since Omni has offered this opinion himself, I'll reiterate it, because it's exactly the possible explanation for these discrepancies that I've had on the backburner myself. There is always the chance that the empty background was reverse engineered from the actual banner, because they were never sent the empty one. I consider it very unlikely, but the scenario exists if we operate under the belief that this company is responsible for designing these displays, and not just printing them. I have never claimed the background discrepancies prove the leak fake because I have always allowed for a situation, however unlikely in my mind, where they're present and it's still true.

I have further offered opinions that help the validity of the leak, only to have those ignored in favor of weaker arguments that I'm continually asked to restate my opinion on. People seem desperate to prove me wrong when I've offered supporting evidence wherever I saw it. I consider the fact that the banner has been proven to wrap cleanly around the cylinder to be good evidence in support of the leak. And yet, twice today I was tagged and linked to a post insisting the display isn't actually accurate at all as a counter to my arguments about the background, even though this itself would be a counter against the very evidence I gave that I believe helps the leak. I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

Damage control.
Just kidding I love you and you’re always appreciated for your efforts and contributions.

 

[Untouch]

>this entire thread right now

Personally I pick the bottom option.

 

[MrHomelessHobo]

This will be the last thing I have to say on this whole ordeal.

The community has reached the point where they're using incorrect evidence to prove the leak is true. These image cuts and pixel colors are not evidence to the leak's legitimacy.. I will hold that opinion even should the leak be proven real.

The things that I have pointed out about the background are demonstrably true. Those discrepancies exist and you cannot argue them away. You can argue why they're there, in the same way you can argue why "disabled" was misspelled on the ESRB leak, and that is why I have never stated that it "proves" the leak false. Since Omni has offered this opinion himself, I'll reiterate it, because it's exactly the possible explanation for these discrepancies that I've had on the backburner myself. There is always the chance that the empty background was reverse engineered from the actual banner, because they were never sent the empty one. I consider it very unlikely, but the scenario exists if we operate under the belief that this company is responsible for designing these displays, and not just printing them. I have never claimed the background discrepancies prove the leak fake because I have always allowed for a situation, however unlikely in my mind, where they're present and it's still true.

I have further offered opinions that help the validity of the leak, only to have those ignored in favor of weaker arguments that I'm continually asked to restate my opinion on. People seem desperate to prove me wrong when I've offered supporting evidence wherever I saw it. I consider the fact that the banner has been proven to wrap cleanly around the cylinder to be good evidence in support of the leak. And yet, twice today I was tagged and linked to a post insisting the display isn't actually accurate at all as a counter to my arguments about the background, even though this itself would be a counter against the very evidence I gave that I believe helps the leak. I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

Please don't go I like you
play video games with me

 

[SuperiorYoshi87]

Why would Nintendo legitimately draw Banjo as a banner character only for him to be leak bait?

Seriously guys, the better logic is to assume that Incineroar is simply missing from this banner, rather than assume Incineroar is supposed to REPLACE someone lol.

I agree... I don't see Nintendo putting a 3rd party character in a banner as a fake... if the banner is fake, Chorus Kids and Mach Rider would be suspect as the bait characters. Regardless of whether or not the banner is a bait to catch leakers that's official Nintendo artwork for Smash that would be depicting a character they don't have the rights too. If that was the case Nintendo would be looking at serious legal action in that case.

 

[Chrollo.]

This will be the last thing I have to say on this whole ordeal.

The community has reached the point where they're using incorrect evidence to prove the leak is true. These image cuts and pixel colors are not evidence to the leak's legitimacy.. I will hold that opinion even should the leak be proven real.

The things that I have pointed out about the background are demonstrably true. Those discrepancies exist and you cannot argue them away. You can argue why they're there, in the same way you can argue why "disabled" was misspelled on the ESRB leak, and that is why I have never stated that it "proves" the leak false. Since Omni has offered this opinion himself, I'll reiterate it, because it's exactly the possible explanation for these discrepancies that I've had on the backburner myself. There is always the chance that the empty background was reverse engineered from the actual banner, because they were never sent the empty one. I consider it very unlikely, but the scenario exists if we operate under the belief that this company is responsible for designing these displays, and not just printing them. I have never claimed the background discrepancies prove the leak fake because I have always allowed for a situation, however unlikely in my mind, where they're present and it's still true.

I have further offered opinions that help the validity of the leak, only to have those ignored in favor of weaker arguments that I'm continually asked to restate my opinion on. People seem desperate to prove me wrong when I've offered supporting evidence wherever I saw it. I consider the fact that the banner has been proven to wrap cleanly around the cylinder to be good evidence in support of the leak. And yet, twice today I was tagged and linked to a post insisting the display isn't actually accurate at all as a counter to my arguments about the background, even though this itself would be a counter against the very evidence I gave that I believe helps the leak. I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

its ok vaanrose i for one can appreciate your efforts

 

[Noipoi]

Am I in Season 2 poster?

Sure.

Honestly i'm just gonna spend the next day taking requests up to a certain point. Once i've got everyone I need i'll actually draw the thing.

You asked early, so you get to be in.

 

[Cosmic77]

This will be the last thing I have to say on this whole ordeal.

The community has reached the point where they're using incorrect evidence to prove the leak is true. These image cuts and pixel colors are not evidence to the leak's legitimacy.. I will hold that opinion even should the leak be proven real.

The things that I have pointed out about the background are demonstrably true. Those discrepancies exist and you cannot argue them away. You can argue why they're there, in the same way you can argue why "disabled" was misspelled on the ESRB leak, and that is why I have never stated that it "proves" the leak false. Since Omni has offered this opinion himself, I'll reiterate it, because it's exactly the possible explanation for these discrepancies that I've had on the backburner myself. There is always the chance that the empty background was reverse engineered from the actual banner, because they were never sent the empty one. I consider it very unlikely, but the scenario exists if we operate under the belief that this company is responsible for designing these displays, and not just printing them. I have never claimed the background discrepancies prove the leak fake because I have always allowed for a situation, however unlikely in my mind, where they're present and it's still true.

I have further offered opinions that help the validity of the leak, only to have those ignored in favor of weaker arguments that I'm continually asked to restate my opinion on. People seem desperate to prove me wrong when I've offered supporting evidence wherever I saw it. I consider the fact that the banner has been proven to wrap cleanly around the cylinder to be good evidence in support of the leak. And yet, twice today I was tagged and linked to a post insisting the display isn't actually accurate at all as a counter to my arguments about the background, even though this itself would be a counter against the very evidence I gave that I believe helps the leak. I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think you've done an excellent job explaining things to this thread. Granted, I'm leaning fake, bit still.

For every argumentative person who wants to challenge everything you explain, remember that there's a person in the sidelines who's interested in what you have to say.

 

[OpticalBlast]

Mods delete this please.

 

[CannonStreak]

Sure.

Honestly i'm just gonna spend the next day taking requests up to a certain point. Once i've got everyone I need i'll actually draw the thing.

You asked early, so you get to be in.

What about me? Am I on the poster?

 

[Nekoo]

I find this kind of thing immensely frustrating and it really just shows I'm wasting my time even trying to be neutral, because it's obvious that neutral still gets read as team fake.

AHAHAHAH.

I know this feeling so much.

It hurt.

You weight opinion from both side, but people only remember you as taking side for the things against them.

 

[MrHomelessHobo]

Sure.

Honestly i'm just gonna spend the next day taking requests up to a certain point. Once i've got everyone I need i'll actually draw the thing.

You asked early, so you get to be in.

what is the banner

 

[BrytonJ]

>this entire thread right now

*desperately clicking leave match as fast as possible*

 

[Radical Bones]

Sure.

Honestly i'm just gonna spend the next day taking requests up to a certain point. Once i've got everyone I need i'll actually draw the thing.

You asked early, so you get to be in.

I know that you wanna draw a skeleton with an afro soooooo...