Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

But Game Freak and Creatures Inc are pretty much First Party Companies for Nintendo nowadays (seriously, when was the last time they made anything not for Nintendo?)

Something else, "fake" promotional artwork doesn't have to go to waste if they make the characters after the fact.

Putting an idea out there, Sakurai could have an agreement with Game Freak to use Incineroar as the "fake leak", as long as he eventually gets into the game as DLC or something.

They made a game called Tembo the Bad*** Elephant in 2015, and it was on everything but Nintendo platforms...
There's also Giga Wrecker which released in 2017, also not on a Nintendo system...

 

[Iko MattOrr]

That's what I always thought, that it was the front. But people were so adamant on it being the back that I had to go and find one of it.

And luckily there it was

Another note: the one with the dog is edited! It's perfectly identical by pixel, but the head is moved a bit down and slighty more covered by the dog; additionally, there seem to be an eye in a way lower position than were it's supposed to be.
But it's not really a different artwork, it's so much identical... it's most likely edited to make it look different but it's not, or at least that's what it looks to me.

What about this one?

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Compare it with the one of the leak in your image.

Also, people are saying these have been publically available for a long time. I'd like to see proof of that, not meaningless words. Also remember that the Snapchat leak is about a month old now. So this material was on Eric's desk about a month ago.

Those screenshots are way more identical than this artwork... they are so undeniably identical that there's no way they aren't the same render.
Sadly I have no source, I just saw them on a 4chan thread that someone posted here yesterday.
Maybe I'll try to search and see if I can find that trailer...

 

[Untouch]

And here. we. GO.

https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1055799886585585664

Interesting.
Is this a mistranslation though? Guess we'll see in about a week.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Nah, how many goddesses you guys need, we already have all the female characters in the roster.

You REALLY hate that strawman don't you

 

[Iridium]

"BUT WHEN!?" I ask, in a perfectly calm manner.

Should be around next week/the first week of November.

 

[TheCJBrine]

From what I've read here, the insiders may be denying it simply because they were shown an incomplete roster, and whoever gave it to them was told it was complete. If Sakurai is trying to keep a surprise, it may be so it wouldn't get spoiled; if this leak is real, of course.

 

[Mutsukki]

And here. we. GO.

https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1055799886585585664

I think this is being taken a bit out of context. The E3 build is also a "event exclusive version" by all means. It doesn't mean it's THIS event

 

[Deleted member]

Guys the Grinch render wouldn't be hard to fake at all.

Both these existed before the leak.
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Combine them and you get this
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You are all saying they've exist for "a long time" earliest I'm seeing is September 18. Which would put it at just a few weeks at best before the Snapchat leak. And that still deals with the ABSURD INSANITY that someone would think this far ahead into the leak with such minute details and planning. The Grinch material is legit. The person who behind the leak is most definitely a graphic designer for marketing, and most likely Eric Brigard since HIS NAME IS ON THE SNAPCHAT ACCOUNT.

 

[amazonevan19]

If the leak is real (which I'm leaning on fake for now), which bets will you have to fulfill?

If Shadow is legit, I'll have to upload myself eating Wheaties in salt water with an extra serving of salt. I'll upload it here even.

No offense but you're a pretty foolish guy for making this kind of bet against one of the most likely echo fighters.

For a character like ****ing Diskun? Maybe. For Shadow? What the **** are you thinking?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Whatever build they're using at that event is probably not the E3 one.

Given how close we are to release, I wouldn't be shocked if it's version 1.0.

You think it has some more Characters in it?

 

[Nekoo]

From what I've read here, the insiders may be denying it simply because they were shown an incomplete roster, and whoever gave it to them was told it was complete. If Sakurai is trying to keep a surprise, it may be so it wouldn't get spoiled; if this leak is real, of course.

I mean, they were shown an incomplete roster that barely look like anything from that leak... At this point we will end up with that? 25newcomers?

 

[kylexv]

And here. we. GO.

https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1055799886585585664

Not setting myself up for disappointment and I'm still thinking it's the E3 demo. At least I'll have Blizzcon next weekend (probably will reveal a new Overwatch hero) if it's not a new build.

 

[osby]

You REALLY hate that strawman don't you

...It couldn't be more obvious I was joking.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Some guys on 4chan have found the actual renders and not just the silhouette: they screenshotted them and posted them on 4chan. Those came from a different trailer.

I don't know the source and I didn't even search to be honest, though that trailer alone is not enough to prove or debunk anything, we need to do more research first.
And by the way, there's no back of the grinch, it's still a front picture, just it's the one without the dog.

if that's not the back of the grinch where are his eyes and eyebrows?

 

[mbvswb]

Hopefully this new build will have the Belmonts, Isabelle, and K Rool.



And characters with changes we havent seen like Greninja, Luigi, etc

 

[Paperchampion23]

November 2nd, 11:45 PM EST

Okay so, is there any reason why itd be hard to imagine an October 31st/November 1st Direct next week?

I feel like the wait may be shorter than we think for a direct.

 

[Pakky]

An orange wolf with a mohawk, geokinesis, a counter-based playstyle, and a red-eyed powered up form isn't quite what I'd call "an actual wolf".

Who acts like an actual wolf.

Not a swordsman

Not a ninja

Not a knight

Not a wrestler

Not a opera singer

Not a archer

No personification what so ever, it is a wolf.

 

[Misery Brick]

And here. we. GO.

https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1055799886585585664

I could be misunderstanding this like a huge idiot, but doesn’t that mean the build is the “event exclusive” one?
Like the demo we’ve been seeing since E3?
Correct me on this if I’m wrong, because I’d love to be.

EDIT: ‘d

 

[Deleted member]

My dude I just hit up you with a link that you conveniently ignored, but here it is again, with the blog post date in it:

https://screenrant.com/grinch-2018-movie-trailer-poster-final/

Funny that you ask people to use their head when you're the most delusional one in these discussions.

Sept 18th m8. You're telling me all this fake stuff was made in 2 weeks and executed with perfect precision? And I'M the delusional one?

 

[Cosmic77]

MY GOD

He faked the Grinch part as well!?

This leaker must be the smartest person in the universe!

You're being a little passive-aggressive. I couldn't tell you why this person would want to fake the Grinch of all things, but the point is that it can be done.

Heck, maybe the person was banking on the randomness making his leak look more genuine.

 

[Phyr]

I think the real mental gymnastics is not realizing that both sides have valid points with evidence supporting their claims. I am on one side of this debate but I still understand why people have the views that oppose mine. Additionally, I am exhausted hearing about the 50 year old being too old for snapchat nonsense, I believe it was stated by one individual and spread like wildfire as a retort to team fake. We all need to be a little more open-minded instead of dismissive of someone who doesn't share our viewpoint.

One side haven't had an argument since the background changing every time was proven to be normal (starting by trying to get some sort of image from a compressed mess of pixels but I digress). Only thing going for them is the insiders info and there is a miriad of theories like that.

As for all as we know, the guy might have got the render because someone emailed him by accident, then he, by accident, did those instructions on how to mount the stand, and decided to print those in A ****ING ARMBAND because yeah.

You know how we call arguments like that? Meteorite arguments. Because everything could be caused by a meteorite falling in your head and killing someone. But that doesn't happen because it becomes SO RIDICULOUSLY RARE that it's not gonna happen, even in the realm of possibility.

Only thing going for team fake is to wait for Nintendo. That's it.

 

[ErenJager]

Would this be after making the fake Smash leak with perfect precision to fool us all? They would also probably have to know Eric, and since the Grinch leak is real, they'd have to either be Graphic designers themselves as well, or be in Eric's office to frame him.

I mean if I were to make a fake leak, i'd couple it with something legit. If I worked in graphic media i'd probs have access to grinch and other movie media art prior to release. Plus i'd also have wicked art skills to make my own morale. All i'd have to do is a google search or linkedin search find some plug to pose as and there ya go.

But I feel as though that grinch renders existed for a while. How many ppl are grinch fan boys paying attention to that?

 

[Pyra]

I think this is being taken a bit out of context. The E3 build is also a "event exclusive version" by all means. It doesn't mean it's THIS event

This is also true. Which is why he said "may".

Interesting to me either way.
A load of people assumed it'd be release version and not just an updated demo for some reason, so this tweet pleases me.

 

[Pazzo.]

No offense but you're a pretty foolish guy for making this kind of bet against one of the most likely echo fighters.

For a character like ****ing Diskun? Maybe. For Shadow? What the **** are you thinking?

I've always been a gambler at heart.

And you know, maybe I really like the taste of salt.

 

[Mutsukki]

Sept 18th m8. You're telling me all this fake stuff was made in 2 weeks and executed with perfect precision? And I'M the delusional one?

Yes, I don't know why you're assuming the Grinch thing and the banner were made at the same time. As far as anyone knows, it could have been the last thing there.

 

[Deleted member]

You think it has some more Characters in it?

I could see it featuring already revealed characters, but as for newcomers? Depends on when the next Direct is.

Honestly, things gotta get rolling soon. Roster info is gonna be in a lot more hands soon due to production and marketing. I give this whole thing two weeks tops.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Here are basically my final thoughts on leaks. I think leaks in general are really boring compared to discussion of actually playing the game, but if we're going to be so leak crazy, I have some thoughts about how things probably are. Two points really.

For one, "box theory" as people like to call it is almost assuredly correct. It just makes too much sense; the idea of a professional design for a special edition or whatever box being custom made and manufactured just to be shown briefly in one trailer and then something fundamentally different is used for actual sale only a few months later is insane and a basic contradiction of how businesses work. We also were given this "drought" of reveals with Sakurai telling us that they went overboard with reveals and needed to slow it down (and then actually doing that, showing basically nothing for an entire month) which combines nicely with the statement from the very beginning of there not being too many more newcomers. If you took this "Grinch leak" at face value, none of it would make sense as we'd have a number of newcomers comparable to other Smash titles and the previous reveal rate could have been sustained directly to launch. When something doesn't make sense like that, something has to be wrong somewhere...

For two, leaks have been really, really all over the place, and even someone like Vergeben who at this point obviously has real connections is citing things that would contradict the box theory (he talks about both Incineroar and another SE character which is numerically too much). It seems likely Nintendo has tried to intentionally obfuscate (probably making fake leaks themselves and such just to make it harder to figure things out), but the extent to which we really don't know anything is kinda absurd. This close to release we almost inevitably should have a much clearer idea of what's going on; a project this big involving this many people with this much public demand for information not working itself into that kind of situation is crazy itself if you think about it. Somewhere, there's something we just don't know that is really important to how things are.

Here's my theory. I think work is very deep underway for a lot of the DLC in this game. I think Ken and Incineroar are the last two characters, but at least some of the other stuff we've heard about in various leaks is real and is just DLC and no one leaking has any clue what's actually in the game and what's DLC. I'm totally unconvinced by this "Grinch leak", but even if it turns out to be real, every one of those characters could just be DLC. Smash 4 DLC was insanely profitable for Nintendo so I think it's pretty safe as a bet we're going to have a much bigger focus on DLC in this game versus 4. This also allows a lot of the "leaked" characters to not even be as concrete as we like to think since they aren't even a part of the main game's dev cycle so we could easily be getting leaks of what is basically early concept work that will never go anywhere at several points. I would surmise that, if this is the case, it will always be impossible to really learn much more from this point forward; every leak will inevitably be an insanely incomplete picture, and we're always going to be hearing about a ton more stuff than we could ever realistically expect to happen even from credible sources.

 

[KMDP]

They made a game called Tempo the Bad*** Elephant in 2015, and it was on everything but Nintendo platforms...
There's also Giga Wrecker which released in 2017, also not on a Nintendo system...

Thanks.

I've always been a gambler at heart.

And you know, maybe I really like the taste of salt.

I once ate the contents of a sachet of salt for a dare.

Never again.

 

[amazonevan19]

I've always been a gambler at heart.

And you know, maybe I really like the taste of salt.

Enjoy those salty Wheaties

 

[Wintermelon43]

I find it so funny that this leak has caused the smash community to start discussing stuff about the Grinch Movie now XD

 

[Nekoo]

If the leak is real (which I'm leaning on fake for now), which bets will you have to fulfill?

If Shadow is legit, I'll have to upload myself eating Wheaties in salt water with an extra serving of salt. I'll upload it here even.

You know what? **** it.
If the leak is real, I'll make a one per day drawing of all characters from smash, the newcomers, and the top 10 characters in the characters support thread

 

[KingofKoopas]

Here are basically my final thoughts on leaks. I think leaks in general are really boring compared to discussion of actually playing the game, but if we're going to be so leak crazy, I have some thoughts about how things probably are. Two points really.

For one, "box theory" as people like to call it is almost assuredly correct. It just makes too much sense; the idea of a professional design for a special edition or whatever box being custom made and manufactured just to be shown briefly in one trailer and then something fundamentally different is used for actual sale only a few months later is insane and a basic contradiction of how businesses work. We also were given this "drought" of reveals with Sakurai telling us that they went overboard with reveals and needed to slow it down (and then actually doing that, showing basically nothing for an entire month) which combines nicely with the statement from the very beginning of there not being too many more newcomers. If you took this "Grinch leak" at face value, none of it would make sense as we'd have a number of newcomers comparable to other Smash titles and the previous reveal rate could have been sustained directly to launch. When something doesn't make sense like that, something has to be wrong somewhere...

For two, leaks have been really, really all over the place, and even someone like Vergeben who at this point obviously has real connections is citing things that would contradict the box theory (he talks about both Incineroar and another SE character which is numerically too much). It seems likely Nintendo has tried to intentionally obfuscate (probably making fake leaks themselves and such just to make it harder to figure things out), but the extent to which we really don't know anything is kinda absurd. This close to release we almost inevitably should have a much clearer idea of what's going on; a project this big involving this many people with this much public demand for information not working itself into that kind of situation is crazy itself if you think about it. Somewhere, there's something we just don't know that is really important to how things are.

Here's my theory. I think work is very deep underway for a lot of the DLC in this game. I think Ken and Incineroar are the last two characters, but at least some of the other stuff we've heard about in various leaks is real and is just DLC and no one leaking has any clue what's actually in the game and what's DLC. I'm totally unconvinced by this "Grinch leak", but even if it turns out to be real, every one of those characters could just be DLC. Smash 4 DLC was insanely profitable for Nintendo so I think it's pretty safe as a bet we're going to have a much bigger focus on DLC in this game versus 4. This also allows a lot of the "leaked" characters to not even be as concrete as we like to think since they aren't even a part of the main game's dev cycle so we could easily be getting leaks of what is basically early concept work that will never go anywhere at several points. I would surmise that, if this is the case, it will always be impossible to really learn much more from this point forward; every leak will inevitably be an insanely incomplete picture, and we're always going to be hearing about a ton more stuff than we could ever realistically expect to happen even from credible sources.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to revive the same arguements that literally were all we talked about for almost a month and drove half of us insane?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I find it so funny that this leak has caused the smash community to start discussing stuff about the Grinch Movie now XD

Yeah, this is easily the best meme in Smash history (aside from the Captain himself, of course)

 

[OpticalBlast]

Face it, it's done. This IS real, the only thing left is confirmation from Nintendo.

Incineroar will be day one dlc i suppose, like mewtwo.

Dude, there's still a very real chance this could be fake. I'm not saying that it is (there's quite a bit of evidence for it, like what you said), but I am saying that if ends up being an elaborate hoax, you're going to make an *** out of yourself by making claims this bold.

Then again, it could be real. What do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[amazonevan19]

You know what? **** it.
If the leak is real, I'll make a one per day drawing of all characters from smash, the newcomers, and the top 10 characters in the characters support threat.

screencapping Though if you're an artist that's probably easy for you and you're just Jebaiting us

 

[Pazzo.]

Enjoy those salty Wheaties

Thanks, I'll save you some.

 

[kylexv]

All this contradictory information between the leak and what insiders have seen from their sources makes me think Sakurai had some sort of galaxy brain strat to try and prevent info from leaking out early by spreading misinformation.

It's working, because I'm starting to wonder what to believe: the insiders or the leak.

 

[osby]

You know what? **** it.
If the leak is real, I'll make a one per day drawing of all characters from smash, the newcomers, and the top 10 characters in the characters support threat.

I mean, obviously I want it to be real, but if it means I can saw your drawings, I want it more.

I like it when people share their Smash Bros art on here.

 

[Phyr]

They made a game called Tempo the Bad*** Elephant in 2015, and it was on everything but Nintendo platforms...
There's also Giga Wrecker which released in 2017, also not on a Nintendo system...

Pokemon is copyright creatures inc and nintendo. Game Freak does Pokemon games, but, as you said, does other games as wel... (altough those are few and faw between).

But Pokemon is a property of Nintendo as much as Bayonetta.

 

[Nekoo]

screencapping Though if you're an artist that's probably easy for you and you're just Jebaiting us

I'am indeed an Artist, but I don't want to do this challenge because you don't realize how hard it is for the mental to draw things everyday because YOU HAVE TO and not because you want to.