Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Basically 70/30 in favor of Fake at this point.

But we have nothing that could be considered a fatal killing blow either so it's up in the air.

ECKSHUALLY *pushes up glasses

The closest we have to an official 'vote', the Real Vs Fake thread, actually has it as about 70-30 split in favor of REAL.

 

[Deleted member]

Grinch is standing pretty well against the Nintendo Sentinels.

 

[Heracr055]

In b4 Sakurai unveils the last mode in a Direct
And we find out it's called Spirit Bomb

 

[Dixie Kong]

What would your reactions be if in the next direct, Dixie, Ray, and Monster Hunter are unveiled?

 

[The DanMan051]

They might have been using "cut" to mean "not in", they might not be a native English speaker.

The guy sure seemed to know how to curse in English pretty well and fit in with 4chan.

That's giving it the benefit of the doubt when it doesn't even need that-- people have made the assumption that it's directly tied to the Banner deal when nothing about it has to whatsoever, and the fact there's a glaring error in it means if it is supposedly directly tied to the Banner leak... there's a decent-sized hole.

 

[Dcas]

Okay, can someone actually have a justifiable reason as to why Smash Ultimate's marketing has been "****ty" when all of you who say that whenever a Direct comes around then make a complete 180 and say "WOW, THAT WAS SPECTACULAR, THEY WERE SO ON POINT!!1" I see this so much and I'm done being silent about it when any of you try and say Smash Ultimate has terrible marketing yet do a 180. This has become the best hype cycle in Smash history, and you know that for a damn fact.

The Pic of the Days were ****ing terrible. They were only centralized on a social media platform exclusive to the Wii U - a dead console - and that was your only way of getting information. Half of the time? Needless information that NOBODY cared about. Some of the time? Veteran reveals. Some of the time, other kinda cool stuff.

The Smash Dojo!! was a great martyr of how to go about releasing Smash information in a good consistent manner, but it was mainly to give out little bits of new information. In this day and age with Nintendo giving Directs to release info, what use would a blog do? Smash Ultimate has this monacre of "EVERYONE IS HERE", so they're using the blog for that, and some new stuff like music here and there, and other tidbits. They're using it to celebrate the roster. Not to mention, they have to space out other game-related info too that isn't JUST Smash, so it becomes a juggling contest with a lot of things.

Literally, this is JUST like how Pokemon fans say the last game was ****, even though they loved all the hype surrounding it and the game, too. Happened with ORAS, X and Y, Sun and Moon, and no doubt will happen to Gen 8. So please, I want a logistical and justifiable list of reasons why Smash Ultimate's hype cycle has been trash, because most likely it's based on feelings.

Even the with a hype direct, it wont change the fact that it has been bad. It has nothing to do with the direct itself lol.

 

[mbvswb]

Yeah, As someone on the spectrum, I can easily say it's kinda annoying when people make fun of it......

Agreed. Using autistic as an insult is ridiculous.

 

[andres22]

But Shish! They think they thing I really like isn't real! Sure, they have inside information and know more than any of us do but they don't believe my favourite is in so they're just a bunch of dingly dangly ding dongs

Yeah, like, remember how convinced the "insiders" were that Skull Kid was gonna show up at the September Direct?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Hey guys, where are we no-

Oh, "Vegetablesdon'ttastetoogoodinaBurger", or something along the lines of that, has returned from his slumber. Oh boy...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

VergeBen gave out his thoughts on the banner leak.

What did he say?

 

[osby]

"Spirit Hand" sounds lame enough to be true, actually...

 

[Deleted member]

I noticed people saying Serebii said the leak was fake.
Did he make more posts on the subject than the two I saw?

The last I heard, he was explicitly refraining from calling it fake, but was saying that in a leak like this he feels the burden of proof falls on "team real" and not those wishing to debunk it.

The Grinch leak already has evidence verifying it, that's why people are latching on. The proof has already been provided. If someone disagree with the leak, then the "burden of proof" is now on them to dispell the provided evidence or present their counter argument with something more substantial than "trust me, I know a guy."

That's the equivalent to, "my uncle works at Nintendo," it's completely meaningless.

 

[Mango The Magician]

So...where's the rest of Shadow in that leak? Are his legs both turned back at a 90 degree angle or did they just forget to include them?

 

[Nekoo]

Yeah, like, remember how convinced the "insiders" were that Skull Kid was gonna show up at the September Direct?

You mean how literally one guy said this and Literally every insider said he was BS?

 

[CosmicQuark]

Grinch is standing pretty well against the Nintendo Sentinels.

Ninendo completes the Grinch.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Yeah, like, remember how convinced the "insiders" were that Skull Kid was gonna show up at the September Direct?

Mimique and loz aren't who you'd call "insiders" per say...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What did he say?

Here you go.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77131579/911151960

 

[Captain Shwampy]

"Spirit Hand" sounds lame enough to be true, actually...

yea spirit hands sounds like such an obvious name

 

[FlappyFalco]

To be fair, Shadow has dabbed before.

Relevant to this:

 

[Tart]

In b4 Sakurai unveils the last mode in a Direct
And we find out it's called Spirit Bomb

Heck, why not?

Splatoon 2 got the ball rolling on this

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, like, remember how convinced the "insiders" were that Skull Kid was gonna show up at the September Direct?

Show me these people, then we'll talk

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

IT'S FAKE

 

[Chrollo.]

You know, throughout all the debate and confusion, I’ve actually noticed something very important that a lot of people seemed to have missed...

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[Sigran101]

papagenos how sure are you about your source? Someone said you back pedalled and said you kind of doubt them. Is that true? And if you can answer, is the reason you trust the source because you know them personally or because they are someone public who is considered legit?

 

[Peeton]

Sorry to talk about the box thoery, it bores me too but,

I always thought the box theory was funny after they revealed Isabelle. Like, wouldn’t there only be Ken left??? I don’t know, I don’t think anybody thought about that

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

IT'S FAKE

Not quite yet... Don't jump to conclusions so quickly...

 

[CosmicQuark]

Mimique and loz aren't who you'd call "insiders" per say...

Unless we're talking about what they dug up inside their own orifices.

 

[Polan]

We already did. The people calling it definitively fake are not listening to the evidence for support, or giving flimsy excuses. Now that we've accumulated a lot of evidence from the image as well as the circumstances surrounding the image, it's now in the court for those wanting it to be fake to provide their evidence.

*sees nothing but shadows and clouds*

(obviously I'm exaggerating to prove the point--there are alternative explanations, but that's that they are, alternative--there's no tangible evidence until an insider decides they can share something non-trivial).

Except we have Sakurai literally telling us, on the record, that they have "a few more" characters to announce and that " we're slowing down the pace of reveals" we even have him telling us to not expect too many newcomers. and all the believers have as a response is "lol he's lying" or trying to twist his words to say something else. all because it might mean that the precious leak that everyone wants to be real might actually be fake. but hey sure us non-believers don't have any sort of counter-argument. nope none at all.

 

[The_Intruder]

So...where's the rest of Shadow in that leak? Are his legs both turned back at a 90 degree angle or did they just forget to include them?

And it seems his face is gone , everything is just white.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

IT'S FAKE

Very late and very out of date.

It was already discovered that this Eric character actually works at a very similar company (forget the exact name- APC PLV I think?) that is confirmed to have ties with Bamco. Please take a moment to be caught up before issuing out of date definitive statements.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wow I just read the thread on GameFaqs the people on there are just nasty...VergeBen doesn't deserve that...

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That's legit how I see it.

People see it as an ESRB 2.0, yet the ESRB 2.0 FIRST started with a simple picture of the smash 4 roster, with Snake, Wolf, Lucas crossed out, the 3ds icons of the Secret newcomers and a picture of mewtwo with a "?" implying that they somehow knew about him being DLC.
They said it was fake.
Later, we got the first pictures of the menu and ****.
They said it was fake.
Then videos.
It's fake and Brawl mods.
It took the reveal of Shulk to finally make people believe it completely.


Here I'm feeling that it's going to happens backward

Almost Everyone believe a random Snapchat screenshot from a video because of how much hope this Roster gives to people.
Everyone defend it.
Ever dissing every Insiders saying it's not it, even Serebii himself.
And next reveal will be a break or deal for it.

In anycase, whatever happens, a meltdown will happens, proved Fake or Real. I'll just be here eating my pop-corn in team "HMMMMM"

Most people were definitely on board with the ESRB leak when the videos came out, I feel like people blow out of proportion just how many people didn't believe it simply because they only remember the people who were frantic about it. It had already won over a lot of people just with the images, and then the videos mostly sealed the deal, the people who were in denial after that were a very small minority.

I also think the primary reason people believe this leak is because of the crazy circumstances around it, that we found a blanked out name of someone who actually works in the industry is pretty notable, along with all the other minor jazz. Of course people are vouching for it extra hard because of what it includes, but it's not gotten so much traction solely because of that, I have absolutely no personal stakes in this leak at all and I can perfectly understand why some choose to believe it (although I'm still keeping myself in the middle).

 

[Dyllybirdy]

You know, throughout all the debate and confusion, I’ve actually noticed something very important that a lot of people seemed to have missed...
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Oh crap.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

The Grinch leak already has evidence verifying it, that's why people are latching on. The proof has already been provided. If someone disagree with the leak, then the "burden of proof" is now on them to dispell the provided evidence or present their counter argument with something more substantial than "trust me, I know a guy."

That's the equivalent to, "my uncle works at Nintendo," it's completely meaningless.

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Chrono.]

I actually don't know what to think of the 4chan post, honestly. It matches up so much that I feel like they have to be connected--the strongest possibility I see is that if this current leak is fake, then it was either done by the same person of piggybacked off it. However, the way the post was presented is--odd, and sounds like one of those rambling idiotic 4chan leaks. I'd actually use that as a point *against* the current leak. Certainly not enough to counterbalance the evidence for the leak itself or say anything definitively, though.

The weird thing being that this text post falls within the timeframe of that rumor that supposedly ruffled feathers.

I don't really know what to think of it either.

Show me these people, then we'll talk

Loz18 the most credible of insiders obviously.

 

[The DanMan051]

Sorry to talk about the box thoery, it bores me too but,

I always thought the box theory was funny after they revealed Isabelle. Like, wouldn’t there only be Ken left??? I don’t know, I don’t think anybody thought about that

The entire box hinged on there being an Echo fighter in a specific spot (that Ken fit perfectly) and one more unique newcomer left.

 

[FirestormNeos]

Splatoon 2 got the ball rolling on this

You made a pun. Test Failed.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Of course it won't stop but i find discussion about the Grinch leak foolish and unnecessary, people who act smug to get their point across and people who ignore the facts to push their own reality. The thread has become a war-zone of needless hostility, and in turn has become a pissing contest just to see who's right so the other side can gloat. Honestly, i don't know how some of you people can even be like this...why bother discussing things like this when we already know the grinch is a duckhunt echo with him and max.

Spoiler

 

[mbvswb]

IT'S FAKE

Discussed, debated, disregarded.

 

[RandomAce]

Sakurai has NOT tweeted about a demo. Last thing he did was retweet this badass video

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Seriously people how long does it take to look up the twitter for yourself

One of the best things to come out this past week.