Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Came back to see over 100 pages... I was here like yesterday?

What had happened

Everyone though the box theory was dead, but it was nothing.

Honestly, it depends on the version of the game you can vet your hands on, and if you're more into the MetroidVania style or the Classic style. I'd avoid the SNES version, Dracula X, as it's just unapologetically hard and not at all reminiscent of the other versions of the game. I can't speak for the upcoming PS4 version but if it's a port of the Japanese exclusive PC CD, or whatever, version then that's a pretty good bet, plus you get Symphony of the Night with it, though I can't speak for that version either. If you can get your hands on the PSP Dracula X Chronicles that's my personal favorite. Packed full of all the cheese I've come to love, actual cutscenes, and a feature complete version compared to the SNES. It also comes with SotN but this version is arguably considered inferior.

So, if you can get your hands on the PSP or PS4 (maybe) versions of the game and already like Classic Castlevania then yes, it is absolutely worth checking out. If you can only snag the SNES Dracula X off the Virtual Console though you might want to pass. All personal opinion but I find it one of the weaker Classic Castlevania titles. Still, it's worth checking out.

Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to check it out. I love Super Castlevania IV, hopefully I'll enjoy Rondo Of Blood just as much!

 

[Diem]

Oh yeah, the remaster of Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night are coming out this Friday. Not on Switch, but at least I got a shiny red Spider-Man PS4 Pro last month, so I'll get to check it out.

I've beaten Symphony of the Night so many times, once even on my phone, but I've never touched Rondo of Blood, so that'll be interesting. And I'll get to see Richter's origin, since I'll be playing him a bit in Ultimate.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Well, if we're going to gush about games, then allow me to gush about Shin Megami Tensei IV.

Not going to lie, this probably my third favorite game on the 3DS. When I first got this game, I didn't know what to expect, but as I keep playing, I found myself being drawn more and more into. I loved everything about this game, from it's atmosphere to it's gameplay. I really liked the whole philosophical approach SMT IV took with it's story. It was really interesting to see the game put forth these ideas and how the characters would deal with them, and I liked it. I like it when games try a philosophical approach like SMT IV did because to me it offers up a unique story you don't really see a whole lot in other JRPGS.

The gameplay was also good. SMT IV can be challenging at some points, but I view that as a welcoming thing. If you ask me, I think SMT has perfected the art of turn based battles with the Press Turn System, a greater focus on items, and the Demons. It offers up more of a challenge than most JRPGS nowadays do, which I view as a good thing.

Overall, Shin Megami Tensei IV isn't just my favorite MegaTen game, it's my favorite JRPG period, and I can't wait to see where we'll head with SMT V!

I'm really looking forward to Shin Megami Tensei V. I've played Persona, and while that's a spinoff, the first teaser gave me some of the aesthetics that I enjoyed and hope since I can't play a main Persona game on the Switch that it fills that niche. I'm not familiar with the series myself, but I hope it's the case.

Also, if we're going to gush about games... I can't resist...

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Banjo-Kazooie was one of the defining games of the N64 era along with Super Mario 64. Banjo-Kazooie was able to take stuff that happened in SM64 and somehow made it better. So many more movement options with using the c-buttons to add to the traditional A and B button gameplay (fairly similar to Smash using the d-pad, mind you), not having to exit the level after collecting a jiggy allowing for more freedom and continuity in how you played, and Kazooie's flight was much more satisfying than Mario's because it wasn't timed, but resource based, giving me a freedom of movement I hadn't had in a game before and I feel like was the first game to truly realize 3D movement. Super Mario 64 was the first and most revolutionary, but I feel like Banjo & Kazooie, more than any other platformer, perfected it.

It's the king of the collect-a-thons, a genre of platformers, but they made the collecting satisfying as many collectibles aided in your abilities rather than simply being something to collect or aesthetics (something both Yooka Laylee and Mario Odyssey I felt failed to fully realize). It's a simple game, with nine worlds, ten jiggies and 100 music notes each, and the over world felt like a humongous level in itself. There were various platforming challenges and places that required out-of-the-box thinking, simply trying to get to the next stage, which is really satisfying. The worlds were very creative in taking traditional levels (e.g., "desert world", "snow world") but making them alive with unique and funny characters, often with their own subplots (and some truly dark ones). And the legendary music by Grant Kirkhope is rich in detail, whether it be changing the music as you went underwater or high in the air, to the transitions of the Gruntilda's Lair theme to match the style of each world. And while simple, it got incredibly hard, particularly in the 8th world where it got incredibly frustrating, but in a fun way that's often difficult for platformers to balance. Which made reaching the final world and boss all the more satisfying. I'd also be remiss to not mention the humor--from corny to punny, sarcastic to genuine, from childlike to dark, Banjo-Kazooie, and Rare in general, are known for their humor, which is fairly hard to replicate. Banjo & Kazooie make a hilarious duo, and Kazooie in particular gets some of the best sarcastic one-liners and meta humor. And particularly dirty humor, as Rare tried very hard to sneak in-jokes around Nintendo's heads, and I was surprised, even as a kid, what they got away with.

Banjo-Tooie was a worthy successor, and while it made the game more complicated in parts, the larger levels and harder challenges certainly made it engaging throughout. After Microsoft bought Rare, it became clear that they didn't give a **** about any of their old IP. A real Banjo-Threeie never came, despite being promised in Tooie, and instead what we got was a poor attempt at nostaliga grabbing with Nuts & Bolts while not understanding what made the two games truly brilliant. It's humor was criticizing the audience, rather than themselves, they completely changed the genre to be "hip with modern audiences" and the design of the characters lack any of the childlike charm the duo had in the N64 games. While Microsoft may own them, they will always be Nintendo characters to me.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If I were Nintendo I'd have saved Simon and Richter for later in October. Just because I'm a Halloween geek and you wouldn't be crawling back here asking for water and I'm like "do we look like we made Wonderwall" and Crunchii and folks are selling cactus juice.

It'll quench ya.

But it won't.

IIRC Halloween isn't big in Japan.

 

[Nemuresu]

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...spoilers-leaks.434391/page-5858#post-22573422 I made a post about this a few days ago so here's my thoughts

While I don't personally doubt an abundance as far as HoD remixes go, I think some remixes could easily be from Judgment like Vampire Killer (eg. Slash, Dance of Illusions, An Empty Tome, etc.).

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, the remaster of Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night are coming out this Friday. Not on Switch, but at least I got a shiny red Spider-Man PS4 Pro last month, so I'll get to check it out.

I've beaten Symphony of the Night so many times, once even on my phone, but I've never touched Rondo of Blood, so that'll be interesting. And I'll get to see Richter's origin, since I'll be playing him a bit in Ultimate.

I've never played Rondo Of Blood either, but if I find a copy of it one day, I'll be super excited to play it! It's the one Castlevania game I have play, and I really want to see why's is a big deal for the series.

 

[Deleted member]

IIRC Halloween isn't big in Japan.

It is, actually. If that was the case, we wouldn't have the whole Splatoween event that we just had. It's just not as liberally and profusely celebrated as us Americans celebrate Halloween.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

>sees K. Rool is dominating the poll

as it should be

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It is, actually. If that was the case, we wouldn't have the whole Splatoween event that we just had. It's just not as liberally and profusely celebrated as us Americans celebrate Halloween.

As a toku fan, I've only seen a single Halloween episode so for the longest time I thought Japan didn't celebrate it

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>sees K. Rool is dominating the poll

as it should be

King K. Rool is love, King K. Rool is life.

All praise our long beloved returned king!

 

[Chrono.]

Got bored, googled on how to make those nice character cards for Ultimate characters we saw in E3 and whipped this up for my newest pipedream.

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Was always interested in this game but never took the plunge until the Switch version came out a couple weeks ago, and I absolutely loved it. Still playing it through and haven't gotten through the post game stuff.

Anyways, do I think he really has a chance? Hell no lol. But that's never stopped me from wanting a character before.

 

[Idon]

fills that niche

It... fills the niche of being a JRPG.
In terms of being similar to Persona in gameplay, tone, music, characters, or story... there's some significant differences.

Though, I guess the "one-more" combat system is pretty similar to the "press-turn" combat system and the demon fusion remains functionally the same at the very least.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally think that Ridley and Simon are currently the best newcomers to Ultimate.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

1. - 143
2. - 85
3. - 54
4. - 50
5. - 43
6. - 30
7. - 19
8. - 9
9. - 8

The votes so far. King K. Rool is beating even Ridley quite by a far margin.

 

[Deleted member]

As a toku fan, I've only seen a single Halloween episode so for the longest time I thought Japan didn't celebrate it

Generally when you look at all of the most well-known holidays (Christmas, Valentine's Day, Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween), Japan severely celebrates Christmas, dabbles in Halloween and Valentine's Day, Easter is usually a forgotten holiday by many there. Thanksgiving they don't know at all, that's particularly an U.S.-exclusive holiday.

If you see massive KFC marketing at every train station you go to in Japan all out of nowhere, you'll know it's Christmas. Practically "KFC Day".

 

[Idon]

In terms of personal taste, Simon's my man. Honestly, he probably should've been in since Brawl. I love how he doesn't have any of his features changed for the sake of a gimmick. He's slow, long-reaching, oddly-specific hitbox man, and I love it.
Richter's nice and all, but I would've preferred the other Belmonts come along as Koopaling style alts than as an echo (cough Julius cough)

 

[Diem]

>sees K. Rool is dominating the poll

as it should be

>sees Dark Samus in last place

As it should be.

 

[Penroze]

>isabelle is the least voted non-echo

[queue second stage of villager down b on my head]

 

[Robertman2]

Honestly, I'm surprised how much buzz K. Rool has made in general. Like, even outside of Smash and Nintendo groups, he's gotten far more buzz than any other character. Easily the most of any first party character

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly, I'm surprised how much buzz K. Rool has made in general. Like, even outside of Smash and Nintendo groups, he's gotten far more buzz than any other character. Easily the most of any first party character

Nintendo really had underestimated his popularity to make him absent for a decade. His inclusion combined with his popularity is surely gonna have him return in future DK games most notably an supposed third and final DKC.

Just think too his reveal trailer has over a million views. Ridley only has over 500k.

 

[Deleted member]

>sees K. Rool is dominating the poll

as it should be

NGL, if it weren't for Inklings, K. Rool would be my favorite newcomer.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Hey y’all look at this

First look at the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Special Edition Nintendo Switch Bundle

Looks like someone got their hands on this bundle early. Listing is on eBay: https://t.co/CkM8evGO1B Download code isn't good until December 7th. pic.twitter.com/4FRgAgOzgL

— Nintendeal (@Nintendeal) October 24, 2018

Looks like we may get earlier than retail leaks

 

[Michael the Spikester]

More the reason they should've had the final direct this month.

 

[Zinith]

Interesting how the two most voted newcomers are the two reptiles

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Nintendo really had underestimated his popularity to make him absent for a decade. His inclusion combined with his popularity is surely gonna have him return in future DK games most notably an supposed third and final DKC.

Just think too his reveal trailer has over a million views. Ridley only has over 500k.

I hope K. Rool makes it into the next Mario Kart. He's been in Mario Super Sluggers so the Mario spin-offs are not too far-fetched.

 

[Robertman2]

Nintendo really had underestimated his popularity to make him absent for a decade. His inclusion combined with his popularity is surely gonna have him return in future DK games most notably an supposed third and final DKC.

Just think too his reveal trailer has over a million views. Ridley only has over 500k.

the donkey kong rises

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I hope K. Rool makes it into the next Mario Kart. He's been in Mario Super Sluggers so the Mario spin-offs are not too far-fetched.

Wouldn't surprise me honestly.

 

[osby]

Favourite game thing?

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It's Persona 3.
The game has plenty of problems and didn't aged that well, but it'll always have a special place in my heart. Not that it has great art direction, gameplay, music and story, all of them tied together by one of the best use of central theme I'v ever seen.

Main character is a silent protagonist because he represents the Fool's Journey. Every cutscene and in-game decision just leads and prepares you to the ending of the story and what a great one it is. Characters aren't the most developed but they grow as a party and contribute to the story with the changes they experience. Gameplay changes between battles and daily life, both supporting each other. Soundtrack is very varied, includes pop, rock, techno, hip-hop and classic tracks and ending theme WILL hit you hard.

I don't know, I have too many feelings about that game.

 

[Blargg888]

>isabelle is the least voted non-echo

[queue second stage of villager down b on my head]

Why do you want somebody to pour a watering can on your head?

 

[osby]

Talking about K.Rool in new DKC games? Just put him in. Tropical Freeze was awesome and a lot of fans were just like "it doesn't have Kremlins so it doesn't count".

If Kremling King needs to physically appear in every game Donkey Kong appears to be it be a good game, I hope they'd do that.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Why do you want somebody to pour a watering can on your head?

To wake up.

Like wake up from a dream/nightmare where the results are wrong.

 

[Penroze]

Why do you want somebody to pour a watering can on your head?

it's a metaphor

for Sadness

 

[NineS]

Generally when you look at all of the most well-known holidays (Christmas, Valentine's Day, Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween), Japan severely celebrates Christmas, dabbles in Halloween and Valentine's Day, Easter is usually a forgotten holiday by many there. Thanksgiving they don't know at all, that's particularly an U.S.-exclusive holiday.

If you see massive KFC marketing at every train station you go to in Japan all out of nowhere, you'll know it's Christmas. Practically "KFC Day".

I still don't understand the fascination with KFC and Christmas in Japan.

But yeah, Halloween is generally well known over in Japan. Some cities celebrate it more than most, but it's grown in popularity significantly from the last two decades. They still follow the spooky traditions, to an extent, but it's more of an all-out cosplay day than it is trick or treating.

Still, the misconception that Halloween is unpopular and unknown in Japan is getting kind of annoying to hear... But I can't really get upset at people for not knowing, so best I can do is inform them.

 

[Diem]

I hope K. Rool makes it into the next Mario Kart. He's been in Mario Super Sluggers so the Mario spin-offs are not too far-fetched.

Nintendo just needs to cut the crap and make Nintendo Kart.

Get Rose Gold Peach, the Koopalings, and Tanooki Mario/Cat Peach out of here.

Bring in a bunch of other Nintendo characters and franchises for other courses and make something awesome.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I still don't understand the fascination with KFC and Christmas in Japan.

But yeah, Halloween is generally well known over in Japan. Some cities celebrate it more than most, but it's grown in popularity significantly from the last two decades. They still follow the spooky traditions, to an extent, but it's more of an all-out cosplay day than it is trick or treating.

Still, the misconception that Japan is unpopular and unknown Japan is getting kind of annoying to hear... But I can't really get upset at people for not knowing, so best I can do is inform them.

Just look at any Japanese Gacha game in October. Halloween Galore.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Nintendo just needs to cut the crap and make Nintendo Kart.

Get Rose Gold Peach, the Koopalings, and Tanooki Mario/Cat Peach out of here.

Bring in a bunch of other Nintendo characters and franchises for other courses and make something awesome.

Even better.

Nintendo Party.

I'm just picturing the idea of doing mini-games.

 

[Robertman2]

Hell, Long Live the King even has more views than No Dream Too Big on YouTube.

also yeah chuck K. Rool in Mario Kart. Better than some **** like a generic enemy or Daisy

 

[Zinith]

Nintendo just needs to cut the crap and make Nintendo Kart.

Get Rose Gold Peach, the Koopalings, and Tanooki Mario/Cat Peach out of here.

Bring in a bunch of other Nintendo characters and franchises for other courses and make something awesome.

As long as my boi stays

 

[Penroze]

Even better.

Nintendo Party.

I'm just picturing the idea of doing mini-games.

I support this so much that I was already typing it out!
you speed demon

 

[Robertman2]

As long as my boi stays

Nope. Only Birdo.