Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So, EarthBound...

It's a Nintendo IP, but it's also not...?

Technically speaking, Shigesato Itoi is the one behind those games, but he's not exactly a Nintendo employee... or even a game producer, for that matter.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Guys, of course you can't listen to Lost Painting...



You have to find it first.

Let's check Sakurai's house! Maybe he has something there!

 

[CosmicQuark]

An N64 mini or putting these games on the Switch just cause is pretty realistic (Smash is a possibility)...and I hope you habe to eat delicious words

Rare titles outside of DK64 on an N64 mini would be a huge selling point--I can play many N64 games on the Wii U and I do, but it would be the first time games like Diddy Kong Racing (the original original), Banjo-Kazooie and Jet Force Gemini on a Nintendo platform in a long time. That being said, it's difficult with Rare, as some titles like Perfect Dark and Conker are M rated, and some like Goldeneye have a whole host of licensing issues. But it's such perfect timing given Nintendo (presumably) has Microsoft's number now thanks to Verge's rumors.

Everyone on the music site rn

Either intern-kun ****ed up because they can't give fewer ****s about updating the website now or they're having problems with that part of the site. Or maybe both.

Perhaps the intern wasn't fired, and he just ****s up anything related to Castlevania.

 

[Grevmak]

Only if it's Fortnite himself.

Spoiler: it's ya boi

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So...Smash would then join the extended Marvel-verse.

Thusly killing "most ambitious crossover" arguments forever. (as if those were relevant with Smash having like a billion characters if we can count on more DLC characters being added)

But seriously, grab 8 fairly iconic Fortnite outfits, put em on 4 male and 4 female models Inkling style and you've got yourself a character that's not as unlikely as it seems.

 

[CannonStreak]

Guys, of course you can't listen to Lost Painting...



You have to find it first.

Looks like I am gonna have to play Castlevania now to find the lost track.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think that's true? Hirokazu Tanaka usually does remixes for Smash Bros, unless it's from the Keiichi Suzuki part but even then they rarely have problems.

And even then, there's Mother 3 done by Shogo Sakai.

Yeah, I have no clue. I'd be surprised if there isn't any new tracks. It's a little strange that we haven't heard anything yet, but I have no clue what goes on behind closed doors.

Technically speaking, Shigesato Itoi is the one behind those games, but he's not exactly a Nintendo employee... or even a game producer, for that matter.

Shigesato Itoi is listed seperately in the credits, so he likely owns some stake in the characters.

 

[Iridium]

Uhh... Why do we have so many guests?
Did the Banjo thing scare them or something?

Not even sure this time. A lot more than anytime last week.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Well, I'm still hoping we get new EarthBound remixes in-game, as it'd be odd since there's new tracks in each game. Even Star Fox isn't on the music page yet, and we know it has new tunes, so I'm sure it means nothing.

 

[Graizen]

For the comparison

Simple Design Pokémon:

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Simple Design Digimon:

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Complex Design Pokémon:

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Complex Design Digimon:

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[amazonevan19]

Maybe all the guests are wondering why the music's not up yet

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

"You can now listen to "Lost Painting" from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Doesn't it resurrect memories of obtaining the Crissaegrim in the game? This version is an arrangement by Tetsuya Shibata from Unique Note. Give it a listen using headphones, too!"

Interesting, at least. This reminds me, I should get to trying to get SOTN. Looks great from what I could tell.

If you have a PS4, Castlevania Requiem releases this Friday which includes both Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night in the collection. That's my plan for experiencing both games for the first time anyway (you can actually save money on preordering it from the Playstation Store as well).

 

[Opossum]

Clearly this is the first step in an ARG to find the Lost Painting remix.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Night everyone. I’ll chrck this thread on the way to work and again during lunch break. Hoping tomorrow has an announcement for a Direct (which I doubt)

And brief 2 cents - I don’t think we’ll ever have a Robin/Lucina/Shulk type moment again, sadly. We would have had a surprise livestream by now if so...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Not even sure this time. A lot more than anytime last week.

Not even the Crunchii menu theme scare about a week ago?
That night was fun by the way, we blurted out our most wanted characters and supported each other's picks... Let's just say we were pretty high on hype.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Shigesato Itoi is listed seperately in the credits, so he likely owns some stake in the characters.

I could see it as a similar situation to Pokemon, honestly.

 

[Iridium]

Intern-kun dropped the painting and lost it suddenly, and here we are. Now, they hide their guilt and tell us we can get a listen. That's how I want to look at this.

 

[Mutsukki]

Well, I'm still hoping we get new EarthBound remixes in-game, as it'd be odd since there's new tracks in each game. Even Star Fox isn't on the music page yet, and we know it has new tunes, so I'm sure it means nothing.

The problem is, we know it has new tunes, but it doesn't mean it has new remixes. In that case, Star Fox won't be featured on the website at all

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Well, I'm still hoping we get new EarthBound remixes in-game, as it'd be odd since there's new tracks in each game. Even Star Fox isn't on the music page yet, and we know it has new tunes, so I'm sure it means nothing.

What I wouldn't give for a Twoson remix...

 

[Deleted member]

More like Nintendo got it's music licence Fair and Square'd

And I'm just realizing now that we've had a Final Fantasy remix this whole time.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What I wouldn't give for a Twoson remix...

Not before a remix of the song that plays after saving Threed.

That song is way too overlooked.

 

[monadoboy]

Remember my post last week about hitting the music theory with a shovel? Now we poured gasoline over it and lit it on fire.
Anyways... I'm gonna pull a crazy theory out there, that the remaining blog tracks are gonna be songs from franchises that already have tracks up...

No Xenoblade? Please say sike... . ..

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Regarding the website, even if it means nothing, it would be cool to see the cloaking drvice from Melee come back fir Ultimate since its a Perfect Dark(oops, I meant [TOP SECRET]) item

 

[TheCrystalCave]

The biggest reason I'm antsy to know the full roster is so I can professionally print the complete, sexy, 'Everyone is Here' promotional banner to hang up in my house!

 

[KMDP]

I wouldn't mind a Thracia 776 remake being packaged with a Genealogy remake and even getting some sort of benefit for linking game files or something, but they shouldn't be part of the same game imo. Different characters, stories, mechanics, etc. It would also ruin the pacing of FE4's second gen by cramming an entire game in there.

The thing with Echoes is that it didn't play like Awakening and Conquest, it played like Gaiden which has some of the "oddest" gameplay in the series, and that's why it has a bad rep with the more mainstream audience. Idk if it would be too much work but I think remakes with Conquest gameplay that would allow you to unlock the original game's gameplay in a sort of New Game+ would be pretty cool. Nu-fans get a fun game, while old fans get a remake/modernization. Everyone wins.

I was bringing up Thracia-in-Genealogy as a bad thing (though in hindsight that wasn't clear. XD)

Echoes is Gaiden filtered through the passage of time, it retains most of Gaiden's elements, but filters out some things and replaces them with modern QOL stuff; it's also made with Awakening's engine as a ground work, just like Fates was

Also helps that the recent Digimon games on the PS4 have been using the Devil Summoner series artist:

I...

When will we get the crossover of DS with Digimon?
SMT got one with FE and that was kinda cool.
And they got Dante once.

...'d

Thinking about it, Digimon is very similar to SMT/Persona.

A lot of the stronger Digimon are manifestations of religious icons and concepts (in some universes, they are even made by humans, Pukumon's bio* even specifically states it was made by a British Hacker).

*Pukumon is a punk-rock puffer fish.

Examples include:

• Most of the Seven Great Demon Lords (based on the Seven Deadly Sins and many bare the name of Judeo-Christian demons and fallen angels). Examples include (Lucemon and Demon for Lucifer/Satan, Leviamon for Leviathan, Beelezebumon for Beelzebub, Belphemon for Belphegor, Barbamon for Mammon and Lilithmon for Lilith and Asmodeus).
• The Royal Knights are based on the Knights of the Round Table (some are better fits than others), though one of them is "Jesmon"... basically Dragon Jesus.
• There's a group of Digimon based on Journey to the West (Sanzomon, Gokuwmon, Shawujinmon and ChoHakkaimon)
• The Four Holy Beasts (Harmonious Ones/Digimon Sovereigns in the Dub) are based on Kyoto's Guardian Deities. They rule over Digimon known as Deva (which are a Hindu/Buddhist thing, the Digimon Deva are also based on the Chinese Zodiac).
• There's a whole set of Digimon based on the Greek Pantheon.
• There's a "D'arcmon" (as in "Jeanne d'Arc, or Joan of Arc).

This is very similar to SMT/Persona (especially Persona, where (most of) the Gods and Deities are manifestations of the Human Psyche).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

The biggest reason I'm antsy to know the full roster is so I can professionally print the complete, sexy, 'Everyone is Here' promotional banner to hang up in my house!

Yea I was holding off on the poster until the full roster is shown

Although would dlc characters get added to it though?

 

[Pyra]

The biggest reason I'm antsy to know the full roster is so I can professionally print the complete, sexy, 'Everyone is Here' promotional banner to hang up in my house!

Same honestly

 

[Iridium]

And I'm just realizing now that we've had a Final Fantasy remix this whole time.

You reminded me, how many people here would accept a playable Black Mage? Not even sure what Sakurai would ever do to him, but he would at least have a shot, looking at FF content in particular.

 

[Kotor]

Well I'm listening to Touhou music until this remix is actually posted. I gotta say, Touhou has some catchy music.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Not before a remix of the song that plays after saving Threed.

That song is way too overlooked.

Yea, that's another good one. It's a shame it only plays in the game for like 2 seconds and then you never have any reason to go back to Threed.

 

[Idon]

I was bringing up Thracia-in-Genealogy as a bad thing (though in hindsight that wasn't clear. XD)

Echoes is Gaiden filtered through the passage of time, it retains most of Gaiden's elements, but filters out some things and replaces them with modern QOL stuff; it's also made with Awakening's engine as a ground work, just like Fates was

I...

...'d

Thinking about it, Digimon is very similar to SMT/Persona.

A lot of the stronger Digimon are manifestations of religious icons and concepts (in some universes, they are even made by humans, Pukumon's bio* even specifically states it was made by a British Hacker).

*Pukumon is a punk-rock puffer fish.

Examples include:

• Most of the Seven Great Demon Lords (based on the Seven Deadly Sins and many bare the name of Judeo-Christian demons and fallen angels). Examples include (Lucemon and Demon for Lucifer/Satan, Leviamon for Leviathan, Beelezebumon for Beelzebub, Belphemon for Belphegor, Barbamon for Mammon and Lilithmon for Lilith and Asmodeus).
• The Royal Knights are based on the Knights of the Round Table (some are better fits than others), though one of them is "Jesmon"... basically Dragon Jesus.
• There's a group of Digimon based on Journey to the West (Sanzomon, Gokuwmon, Shawujinmon and ChoHakkaimon)
• The Four Holy Beasts (Harmonious Ones/Digimon Sovereigns in the Dub) are based on Kyoto's Guardian Deities. They rule over Digimon known as Deva (which are a Hindu/Buddhist thing, the Digimon Deva are also based on the Chinese Zodiac).
• There's a whole set of Digimon based on the Greek Pantheon.
• There's a "D'arcmon" (as in "Jeanne d'Arc, or Joan of Arc).

This is very similar to SMT/Persona (especially Persona, where (most of) the Gods and Deities are manifestations of the Human Psyche).

Also helps that Megami Tensei started off as a story about a high-school student summoning digital monsters from a computer program.

which is similar to some other anime/game/tamogachi series

 

[SonicMario]

Remember my post last week about hitting the music theory with a shovel? Now we poured gasoline over it and lit it on fire.
Anyways... I'm gonna pull a crazy theory out there, that the remaining blog tracks are gonna be songs from franchises that already have tracks up...

Get ready guys it's time for REVERSE MUSIC THEORY!
Only characters that got music updates already will get newcomers in the base game

(I'm joking, but watch that be an actual thing somewhere and only coincidentally be true yet people will believe it was)

 

[drag0nscythe]

Just so the guests know, Goemon is awesome and that he should totally be playable. I can list all the reasons, but that is the purpose of the support thread. other than that, there is absolutely nothing new or interesting at the moment and I am getting bored.

 

[Mutsukki]

I just realized

We're probably just a few weeks away of knowing the entire full roster of the game and what spirits is all about

I'm starting to get hyped again, this October drought was a good breather to be honest

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yea, that's another good one. It's a shame it only plays in the game for like 2 seconds and then you never have any reason to go back to Threed.

What do you mean, no reason?

There's always the tent glitch

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I just realized

We're probably just a few weeks away of knowing the entire full roster of the game and what spirits is all about

I'm starting to get hyped again, this October drought was a good breather to be honest

And then there'll be the drought for DLC characters. Everything will just go back to the way they are with people going crazy once more.

 

[Iridium]

Less than 44 days to go! Time has really been passing by quickly, and we continue to get closer and closer to the release date! Less than 7 weeks, basically.

 

[amazonevan19]

And then there'll be the drought for DLC characters. Everything will just go back to the way they are with people going crazy once more.

But at least we'll know base roster and have the completed game in our hands by then.

I can deal much better with a DLC speculation cycle while happily testing new characters and modes.

 

[Pyra]

And then there'll be the drought for DLC characters. Everything will just go back to the way they are with people going crazy once more.

I'll probably just go play the game / run those tournaments for this thread *shrug*

 

[Deleted member]

And then there'll be the drought for DLC characters. Everything will just go back to the way they are with people going crazy once more.

It's a vicious cycle of salt.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I honestly found music theory to be disgustingly depressing.


It was a Russian Roulette every week to determine which series were barred from getting newcomers "Because there's music on the website".

I liked the Russian Roulette. Ended up timing the reveals of pretty well and gave me high hopes for Viridi/Medusa/...Pandora and Shadow

Rare titles outside of DK64 on an N64 mini would be a huge selling point--I can play many N64 games on the Wii U and I do, but it would be the first time games like Diddy Kong Racing (the original original), Banjo-Kazooie and Jet Force Gemini on a Nintendo platform in a long time. That being said, it's difficult with Rare, as some titles like Perfect Dark and Conker are M rated, and some like Goldeneye have a whole host of licensing issues. But it's such perfect timing given Nintendo (presumably) has Microsoft's number now thanks to Verge's rumors.

Exactly on both the pros and cons