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Yep, Mario Kart Wii alone has 32mil, Smash Bros. as a series has like 38mil.
To be fair, a lot of Nintendo's decisions are missed opportunities.
Really, there are only four "main" options. Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and Dr. Eggman.
I disagree, who could forget such pivotal roles as 'Random 2 second boss with no context' in Boom, or "You've got this Sonic!" in Generations.
It's still pretty high. It may not be as strong as it was years ago, but it's likely he's still the second most popular character after Sonic.
I don't see what issues the Ice Climbers would present this time around. Without the limitations of the 3DS, and the power of the Switch I don't think their addition would be difficult to implement.
I could be wrong as well, but I see more people talking about Smash, and getting hype over Smash, than I do Mario Kart. Like you said though, we are all kind of bias.
Big used to be the most hated Sonic character of all time, until memes happened.I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Sonic character people really want to see.
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Well, congratulations to Mario Kart! :D
>Using Ash having Rowlet as reason for Decidueye
Hey, I'd be totally fine with Incineroar. I have one myself. I love him. Hims my big strong kitty man.>Using Ash having Rowlet as reason for Decidueye
>Discusses the anime having to do with Pokémon representation (which it does, especially the movies)
-looking at avatar-
*COUGH*
That's my hope, but the pessimist in me wants to keep it as a precaution. I want the Icies back really bad, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it. And while the Switch is much more powerful than a 3DS. It's still possible that issues might be present. I've no doubt they could work in a regular 2-4 player match. But 8-Player Smash with all Ice Climbers lots of items like Pokeballs and Assist Trophies, makes me think twice about getting my hopes up.I mean, the fact we're all here posting on a site called Smashboards is pretty telling. Of course as fans we're all probably a bit biased about Smash. When it comes to the general public though, Mario Kart is much more popular and recognizable.I could be wrong as well, but I see more people talking about Smash, and getting hype over Smash, than I do Mario Kart. Like you said though, we are all kind of bias.
I assume you mean the one's in my signature? (I feel kind of dumb for asking since there aren't any others I've posted aside from Big the Cat
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I love the Ice Climbers. I almost cried when I found out they weren't going to be back. I'd be fine with Incineroar being added to the roster. He'd be a wrestler, which is a fighting archetype we have yet to see. As for Fire Emblem representation, I think it'll just be as wait-and-see situation. May or may not happen. I've never played Fire Emblem, and Robin is the bane of my existence in Smash. I do enjoy Corrin though.
What @GoldenYuiitusin said
The anime certainly has influence and Ash does have Rowlet, but there's reason to believe that Incineroar is a solid contender as well. Plus there are still other popular picks like Tapu Koko. And to clarify with Greninja, Sakurai only had access to early concept art from the games, the fact Greninja became so popular and played a big role in the anime is likely a separate matter altogether.
As for Spring Man/ Ribbon Girl even if ARMS isn't a total blow out success, I could still possibly see their inclusion as they'd add a unique fighting style. Long range melee fighter.
Agreed on the latter two. I just hope making fans happy doesn't involve caving to the many that hate FE vehemently.
I mean, the fact we're all here posting on a site called Smashboards is pretty telling. Of course as fans we're all probably a bit biased about Smash. When it comes to the general public though, Mario Kart is much more popular and recognizable.
I guess I'm just saying that if you want the Ice Climbers and 8-player Smash at the same time, they both have to work together. If performance issues happen with 8 sets of Ice Climbers, then something has to get the boot.
What else would you like to talk about? Stages? Items? Modes? I got ideas for them all.
Well we did try switching topics a few times earlier, but it always ends up back on characters... Still, now that things have cooled down a bit, this is probably as good a time as any to switch gears. Fire away, what do you want to discuss?
Nothing has to get the "boot". Just limit the number of IC's or remove them from a mode if necessary. Outright removing the mode is silly because 1 character doesn't work in it. As long as 4 IC's work by default, they're not an issue for the main game in itself.
That's... a pretty good point. They could just limit them or something if it does not seem to work out for them in 8 player smash...
That would be intersting, however, I think that'd be more geared towards competitive players. If you are being graded that adds a lot of pressure, and if there were prizes tied to the mode that you could only get by getting certain scores it may not be enjoyable for a majority of the Smash Community.
The fact that it might be more popular with competitive players is something that shouldn't be an issue imo. Regardless of that it'd still be a fun mode to have/bring back. Even if it is geared more towards the competitive crowd, that doesn't mean casual players can't enjoy it as well.
The Black mage
brought them up. People tend to forget about those, I know I did, though I never owned Melee myself so I've seen very little of them.
I don't see why both wouldn't be possible. One is a randomized copy character, the other is a mode that allows players to choose who they want. A Mokujin couldn't fill the role of the mode and the mode couldn't fill the role of Edge Master.
To bring up one counterpoint though, I don't think Celica and Alm would work as Alts of each other. Their builds are incredibly different, and from the looks of it, their swordplay differs too. Not to mention their subweapons they get on promotion are entirely different, with Alm using Swords and Bows while Celica uses Swords and Tomes.
Thank you for pointing the differences of Alm and Celica out. I had no idea. Instead of having them as alts then I could see one or the other. Celica > Alm for me. I like magic.
If anything they could just be alts of Marth/Ike/Roy and Robin. I mean it's really stretching both their general concepts but it's doable if they really want them in the game but don't want to make them their own characters. Celica especially could be a clone of Robin who uses % to cast spells instead of durability. But those are just off-the-wall ideas, it'll be better to wait for the new FE Switch character if they do something cool or just throw in Anna for the time being.
In fact, Celica can use magic from the get go, and Gaiden's magic system is...well, different from every other Fire Emblem game, not requiring a tome to cast them but instead costing some of the caster's HP.
The dream of a non-sword using Fire Emblem character died when he decided to overlook Hector and Ephraim. Of course that's partly the blame of the fans for rallying behind Lyn instead of Hector. Of course, I'm happy with the character we got, Ike, as he brought a whole new archetype to sword users. One that would be mimicked by the likes of Shulk and Cloud. Who's really to blame them for that though. They gave us a niche character that made us Xenoblade fans more than happy and then gave every other RPG lover the icon we thought we'd never get. Sure they came with the cost of being slightly similar to Ike but they are very much in their own way incredibly unique. The too many swords user is kind of ******** but then again it's kind of not. You have to look at every side of the reasoning for a character. Sword users may be in abundance but so are characters who simply use their fists, which for some reason people seem to overlook. The point is, Fire Emblem's lack of users of the other weapon archetypes is the real problem. It's not the fact that we have 'too many sword users' it's the fact that said sword users are starting to blend in to the others. We don't need less sword users. We need more styles of sword users. This is a big reason I support Takamaru and Isaac so much. They've got a very good chance of being very unique sword users. I'm personally fine with us getting swordsman but even I'll admit Corrin was a little much. Mostly because he/she's entire character is very similar to Marth. They could've considered Hector or Ephraim but in the end they weren't getting upcoming games. Which all in all even I, as a huge FE fan, will admit is a ****ty reason to add a character.
Well...in truth, it was more about relevance. Fates came out the previous summer in Japan, so Corrin was relevant at the right time, which isn't easy in a series like Fire Emblem that has a constantly rotating cast. Combined with Corrin being a half-dragon shapeshifter who can morph individual parts of his/her body at a time, there was enough uniqueness there to get the nod despite the concerns. Hector and Ephraim were...well, victims of circumstance. By the time Brawl's development was under way, Path of Radiance was the newest, most relevant Fire Emblem game, and Ike did have unique traits in being a more hands-on swordsman who swings a zweihander around like it's nothing. Had Brawl come about a couple years earlier, maybe instead of joking about Ike fighting for his friends we'd be joking about how Ephraim doesn't pick fights he can't win.
I'm all for more swords but if they come from the series that also has Thieves, Mages in all shapes and forms, Wyvern and Pegasus-riders, Dancers and of course Manaketes on top of more basic, but still unrepresented weaponry such as lances, staves, bows and axes picking the sword-users seems a bit odd.
Maybe someday, but currently it's quite unlikely. Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Shadow are only ones with a shot, imo.
You forgot about Mewtwo.No they're not. If they were at threat then Ike probably wouldn't have returned. Moreover no unique moveset has been cut outside of:
- Side effect of removing a gimmick
- Technical Difficulties
- Issues with the rights
Already in the game via DLC. Many are assuming the DLC will already be in a port, to clarify.