Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MSmariosonic]

Where's Meganium's popularity then?

Wow!

Now don't go throwing shade at Meganium

 

[SuperSceptile15]

**** me if this is what other Elma fans are like I almost wish she wasn't my third most-wanted character

Please don't let me speak for Elma fans. She isn't even my most-wanted character. But I feel like Xenoblade X could have used more promotion than a FE game that already had multiple versions and plenty of advertising before.

And I wasn't trying to throw shade at Meganium fans. I was just trying to use it as an example of how being a starter isn't automatically enough to make a Pokemon very popular.

 

[Untouch]

Don't post that.

 

[larlargaming]

geno or bust

 

[Flyboy]

Most of Incineroar's popularity is unauthentic and the only reason it became so strong in VGC is because it's Masuda's favorite Alola starter and GameFreak made sure to give it all the tools it needed while screwing over the other Alola starters. It's a similar situation to Greninja, but at least Greninja actually has a good design and lots of legitimate fans rather than people who only want certain characters in because it would make other people "salty".

Incineroar is cool because wrestling is cool and I'm getting a huge inkling that you're a big nerd

 

[Noipoi]

Greninja has plenty that made him unique though. What would Incineroar offer that hasn't already been done before?

Incineroar is a heel wrestler. Heel wrestlers employ dirty tactics in order to win by any means necessary.
He could spit in opponents eyes, burn their faces, hit below the belt, smash them with flaming chairs, body slam them while his bodies on fire.
And that's just in general! I haven't even got into the moves he learns as a Pokemon!

He could definitely be interesting.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

**** me if this is what other Elma fans are like I almost wish she wasn't my third most-wanted character

Gladl-

Oh, that post extends beyond those first two words. Apologies.

Anyways, I hope not either. Then I'd feel really ashamed of myself.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Bowser and K. Rool can already use wrestling moves. Incineroar would just be redundant. Maybe Sakurai will surprise us and give him a bunch of world-famous wrestling tactics (if he gets in), but even then there are several more unique Pokemon that could be included.

Think about it: Incineroar could hit characters with chairs. Flaming chairs. edit: ninja'd.

Then there's lariats and whatever else.

 

[Iridium]

Which Smash characters do you think have watched the reptilian video?

What? I don't get this one. I really don't get this one.

Uh, Zinith ?

 

[lightdrago]

Greninja has plenty that made him unique though. What would Incineroar offer that hasn't already been done before?

We already have a ninja as Sheik, so what would Greninja bring to the table? Quite a lot, as Sakurai has proven.

And since you want a list, I'll give you some.

Darkest Lariat, Malicious Moonsalut, Bulk Up, a variety of wrestling based grabs (there are more than just the ones K. Rool uses), and utilising his fire belt as so:

You are literally just salty at him.

 

[osby]

Please don't let me speak for Elma fans. She isn't even my most-wanted character. But I feel like Xenoblade X could have used more promotion than a FE game that already had multiple versions and plenty of advertising before.

That's not how marketing works. You'd want to make a investment to something already proved it can pay you back.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Bowser and K. Rool can already use wrestling moves. Incineroar would just be redundant.

Combofiend?

Is that you?

 

[Deleted member]

Greninja has plenty that made him unique though. What would Incineroar offer that hasn't already been done before?

Elma's just another sword character. What could she offer that Shulk hasn't already done before?

Two can play at this game.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Combofiend?

Is that you?

If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions. They're just doing things. Pikachu, case and point, is a favorite because he's really fast and has great mobility, right? So our more technical players, all they want to do is short hop and that kind of stuff. Well guess what, the Mii Brawler can do the same thing, Captain Falcon can do the same thing. Lucina can do the same thing. Go ahead and try them out.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Since we were talking about Geno, I do want to talk about something. Square Enix wasn’t the one that didn’t want Geno in Brawl, Nintendo didn’t want to include Geno.

I’m in a business class now, and I realized that Square Enix would be stupid to not allow Geno. Financially, it doesn’t matter if it was Cloud or Sora because Square Enix would’ve still profited from the sales of the game because of Geno. I would be hard pressed if Square Enix could’ve been that dumb to miss on a opportunityike that.

It’s the other way around. In Brawl, Smash just recently had third parties and they were your big heavy hitters. Not only that, but Nintendo didn’t really have any way of knowing which characters were popular outside of the obvious ones because they didn’t have any popularity polls at the time. Yeah there was one for Brawl, but that was done long after the project plan and deep into production. So back in 2004, Nintendo didn’t know if Geno would help bring people to the game, or if Geno was a popularity request, only Square would really get a win from that situation, so they decided against it.

In the end, Cloud ended up getting in for being a big icon, so Sakurai most likely decided to grab Geno when he had the chance. The ballot didn’t really take into account on Smash 4 aside from Bayonetta, so it’s probably Ultimate where Geno has a shot since his popularity would’ve been taken here.

I feel like Geno's chances of appearing increased a little after reading this.

 

[Iridium]

All I'll say is that Incineroar is a real wrestler. On fire, with a unique personality among other traits. Just, everything about him is distinguishable. I can't see him being a copy of anyone we have right now, and that feeling for me won't change.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

What? I don't get this one. I really don't get this one.

Apparently, the reason as to why Youtube was down for 2 hours was because of someone leaking a video of a reptilian

 

[Noipoi]

All I'll say is that Incineroar is a real wrestler. On fire, with a unique personality among other traits. Just, everything about him is distinguishable. I can't see him being a copy of anyone we have right now, and that feeling for me won't change.

It's not a feeling, it's the truth .

 

[Curious Villager]

Think about it: Incineroar could hit characters with chairs. Flaming chairs.

So what you're saying is, we've been looking at the chair theory the wrong way all along?!

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Apparently, the reason as to why Youtube was down for 2 hours was because of someone leaking a video of a reptilian

Of course. Why wouldn't it be?

It's not a feeling, it's the truth .

Very much so! :D

 

[SAMation]

He got less votes than Goomba in one of the Melee polls though. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult3.html

I always knew the Goomba fan base was larger than Geno, they’re just all hiding and too afraid to admit he’s the best Mario rep for smash

 

[RandomAce]

Oh **** me in the ass with more Incineroar hate talk please.

Can people just understand that they have their own opinions. People shouldn’t tell others to stop supporting a character because they like them. And Incineroar supporters shouldn’t keep coming back to tell people why they should like Incineroar if they flat out don’t.

I just don’t like the idea of Incineroar in Smash, but the reason that makes it really annoying for me when we talk about Incineroar is because people keep bringing up the same points and argue about the same things for the nth time.

How many times did someone bring up the fact that Incineroar is a heel and that he can use chairs to fight and all again?

 

[Iridium]

Apparently, the reason as to why Youtube was down for 2 hours was because of someone leaking a video of a reptilian

Had no idea this was a thing, but it's just a thing. Just checked, and...I saw things I didn't expect to see.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I always knew the Goomba fan base was larger than Geno, they’re just all hiding and too afraid to admit he’s the best Mario rep for smash

He's just a regular enemy bruh

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Guys, can we please just ignore the blatant trolls? Thank you.

 

[Flyboy]

This just in: local nerds continue to argue about which character deserved to be in Smash first while taking Smash rosters far too seriously for their own good. More on the story tonight at 10.
Now back to Jason with Sports.

Did somebody say SPORTS?!

 

[Ura]

Incineroar is cool because wrestling is cool and I'm getting a huge inkling that you're a big nerd

We all are tho lol.

 

[Noipoi]

Oh **** me in the *** with more Incineroar hate talk please.

Can people just understand that they have their own opinions. People shouldn’t tell others to stop supporting a character because they like them. And Incineroar supporters shouldn’t keep coming back to tell people why they should like Incineroar if they flat out don’t.

I just don’t like the idea of Incineroar in Smash, but what make it annoying when we talk about Incineroar is because people keep bringing up the same points for the nth time.

I never told anyone to like him, I was just refuting claims that he wouldn't be interesting.

 

[Flyboy]

We all are tho lol.

Haha yeah!! You right

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Did somebody say SPORTS?!

holy **** that game still looks amazing today

remaster when Nintendo

 

[Dyllybirdy]

He's just a regular enemy bruh

Oh dear...

Did somebody say SPORTS?!

A Wave Racer would be amazing in Smash. But, I'd rather have a new Wave Race game first.

 

[Penroze]

Think about it: Incineroar could hit characters with chairs. Flaming chairs. edit: ninja'd.

Then there's lariats and whatever else.

But Mr. Game and Watch can already hit characters with chairs and flames! Separately, but still!

 

[Noipoi]

I just don’t like the idea of Incineroar in Smash, but the reason that makes it really annoying for me when we talk about Incineroar is because people keep bringing up the same points and argue about the same things for the nth time.

How many times did someone bring up the fact that Incineroar is a heel and that he can use chairs to fight and all?

Also, I only bring up the "same points" because the people who crap on him (not dislike, just crap) seen to either have never heard these points, or choose to forget them.

 

[Applebutter61]

Is there anyone who dislikes the new air dodging? I realized that I haven't heard much about it on here.

 

[Luigi The President]

Just got home what's up gang

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Just got home what's up gang

The moon is up.

 

[Deleted member]

Just got home what's up gang

Everyone's taking Smash rosters way too seriously. Again.

 

[Nekoo]

Since we were talking about Geno, I do want to talk about something. Square Enix wasn’t the one that didn’t want Geno in Brawl, Nintendo didn’t want to include Geno.

I’m in a business class now, and I realized that Square Enix would be stupid to not allow Geno. Financially, it doesn’t matter if it was Cloud or Sora because Square Enix would’ve still profited from the sales of the game because of Geno. I would be hard pressed if Square Enix could’ve been that dumb to miss on a opportunityike that.

It’s the other way around. In Brawl, Smash just recently had third parties and they were your big heavy hitters. Not only that, but Nintendo didn’t really have any way of knowing which characters were popular outside of the obvious ones because they didn’t have any popularity polls at the time. Yeah there was one for Brawl, but that was done long after the project plan and deep into production. So back in 2004, Nintendo didn’t know if Geno would help bring people to the game, or if Geno was a popularity request, only Square would really get a win from that situation, so they decided against it.

In the end, Cloud ended up getting in for being a big icon, so Sakurai most likely decided to grab Geno when he had the chance. The ballot didn’t really take into account on Smash 4 aside from Bayonetta, so it’s probably Ultimate where Geno has a shot since his popularity would’ve been taken here.

I would 100% agree for you...

If all third parties weren't a case to case basis.
Sonic for exemple, came back to Smash 4 after a deal between Sega and Nintendo, the deal was that Sega would make Exclusive game for Nintendo, Get the right to make another Mario and Sonic Olympics and the Infamous Sonic Boom.

Nintendo get the right to Use Sonic in Smash 4.
Both side get something, Sega get increase of sales with Sonic in Smash 4, and can sell their exclusive games while having the Mario Licences.
Nintendo get Sonic for Smash 4 and exclusive games as bad as they were.
No Idea for Ultimate, perhaps they just decided to let him go after all this time alongside Bayonetta, well...Except Bayonetta 3

As for Square
Perhaps for Geno in brawl it was what happened...
But you know, I'm willing to bet my right hand that, Cloud coming back for Ultimate have something to do with the sudden surge of FF games on Switch, and ESPECIALLY FFVII.
Cloud is a walking advertisement, and Square get dosh by attracting people in the FF games.
Who knows, Konami seems to be the easiest one of the bunch right now to work with, but you have to be blind to not see the sudden "Oh yeah, we got our character in Smash, we release a Game collection, even if it's not on Nintendo platform, and btw, here's our Most recent Anime on netflix!!!!"

So, I'm not sure, it could be true, but I'm still in the camp of Square being ****ing stingy and horrible to work with.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Just got home what's up gang

Hat goombas

 

[Noipoi]

Just got home what's up gang

Had a Geno argument. People crapped on Incineroar for the millionth time, not realizing that crap got annoying the 9999th time.