Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PlasmaDam]

I will say it again people are going overboard with echoes in the smash community saying that they will be like 6 or 7 echoes left when where probaly getting like 3 4 left max cause ulitmate has been going crazy with echoes

 

[Sonic Poke]

3v3

Main Team:
Secondary Team:

5v5

Main Team:
Secondary team:

 

[PlasmaDam]

I hope the smash community takes echos in considerate and we dont get too many echos like i mean more content is good but if we get like unessary echoes that kinda of bad and we might give chracthers with a unique moveset an echo slot like dark pit or dark samus I just hope we dont get dlc echos that would suck

 

[BrashCandicoot]

Overall, good predictions but I disagree on a few stages:
1. Arena Ferox is specifically from Fire Emblem Awakening so I think Chrom, Lucina and Robin will all be unlocked there.
2. Ganondorf is likely to be unlocked in Gerudo Valley, like in Smash 3DS. It makes sense given he's the Gerudo king.
3. Daisy could be in one of the Mario Kart stages as she's more prominent in Mario spin-off games.
4. Ridley is likely to be in Norfair since that's his lair in both Metroid, Super Metroid and Metroid: Zero Mission. Dark Samus, being from the Metroid Prime series, would be a better fit for Frigate Orpheon.

Also interesting will be seeing what song choices will be made for each character. I can see King K. Rool having the new Gang-Plank Galleon remix playing in his match, for example.

I'm pretty sure the majority of characters will use the songs in their character trailers but I could see a couple of them being different e.g. Robin and Chrom have the same song (Id Purpose) used in their character trailers so one of them might get another Fire Emblem music track.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Main Team:
Secondary team:

I thought it can only go up to 8 characters?

 

[BrashCandicoot]

I thought it can only go up to 8 characters?

He's probably gonna use the teams separately.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Here’s my shot at 3 uniques/semi clones/echoes thing:

3 Uniques:
Elma
Neku Sakuraba
Chorus Kids

3 Semi Clones:
Waddle Dee
Black Shadow
Ken

3 Echoes:
Celica
Zack Fair
Impa

Honorable mention: Fiora as an Elma echo, KOS-MOS as a unique

Here, Let me Try

3 Uniques:
Chorus Kids
Steve
Elma

3 Semi Clones:
Slippy
Ken
Dixie Kong

3 Echoes:
Shadow
Roll (If MvC can do it, Pretty sure Smash can do it too)
Ms. Pac-Man

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Kick Girl set

Spoiler: Minmin

Spoiler: Juri

Spoiler: Cammy

Hope you like it.

 

[Opossum]

I'm pretty sure the majority of characters will use the songs in their character trailers but I could see a couple of them being different e.g. Robin and Chrom have the same song (Id Purpose) used in their character trailers so one of them might get another Fire Emblem music track.

Technically, the version that appears in Chrom's reveal and Robin's character overview is a new remix, but the one that appears in Chrom's character overview is the original version.

 

[Iridium]

https://smash-tier-list.com/64

I found this neat organizer of tier lists for each Smash game. This might come in handy for simple research for me.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Spoiler: Kick Girl set

Spoiler: Minmin

Spoiler: Juri

Spoiler: Cammy

Hope you like it.

Yes!! Finally, Someone uploaded my Noodle Girl
Thank you...

 

[Will]

Spoiler: Kick Girl set

Spoiler: Minmin

Spoiler: Juri

Spoiler: Cammy

Hope you like it.

It's unfortunate that you probably chose that Juri song without knowing what it is.

 

[Pakky]

It's unfortunate that you probably chose that Juri song without knowing what it is.

I know what it is I did it as a joke. But shhh, let be a secret
Also, a redo of Taizo because I forgot his light thing.

Spoiler: Dig Dug or Taizo Hori_redo cuz light thing

 

[zeldasmash]

Curious game: To everyone here, with what we have so far in terms of modes, how do you think the characters will be unlocked?

 

[Pakky]

Curious game: To everyone here, with what we have so far in terms of modes, how do you think the characters will be unlocked?

'Spirits' most likely

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Curious game: To everyone here, with what we have so far in terms of modes, how do you think the characters will be unlocked?

Various ways. Unlocking through Spirits, number of vs. matches, downloading amiibo, etc.

 

[Pakky]

Yes!! Finally, Someone uploaded my Noodle Girl
Thank you...

You're welcome and thank you I 'm glad you like her :D. ARMS has a really solid cast like one of the best I've ever seen.

We could see an ARMS 2 sometime later this gen I think, or ARMS gets another huge update.

 

[Will]

Unlocking through Spirits

I smell an uncredited source.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I smell an uncredited source.

Not stating its a fact but an guess how characters might be unlocked.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

Curious game: To everyone here, with what we have so far in terms of modes, how do you think the characters will be unlocked?

Considering the process for unlocking characters is supposed to be streamlined, I can foresee a multitude of ways for unlocking characters.

We know that the amiibo will serve as nearly instantaneous unlocks, while playing a certain number of vs. matches will pretty much without a shadow of a doubt be possible as well (Super Smash Bros. for 3DS had 12 unlockable characters, which were unlockable in multiples of 10, all the way up to 120; I could see Ultimate doing something similar, or even in sets of 5 since we'll have nearly 70 to unlock).

I think it will also be possible to unlock them in other ways, like playing Classic Mode with Samus to unlock Dark Samus, completing 100-Man Smash if it returns, maybe even collecting a certain number of trophies or reaching a certain distance in Home-Run Contest. All Star Mode, a Break the Targets kind of mode, and Multi-Man battles could also come into play, assuming all return. I could also see a regular All Star mode being available at first with just the original 8, and then it gets added on with each new unlock until all characters are unlocked, resulting in True All Star Mode. Kinda reach back throughout the many different methods presented throughout the series to come up with creative ways to unlock characters.

Spirits Mode has a great chance at being the most streamlined way without using amiibo. I can see it being like SSE in Brawl, where you encounter many characters, reach the end of the mode (with a final boss battle with all the characters you've collected), and then they all get unlocked in one large chunk. Alternatively, they could get unlocked as soon as you find them in the mode, even without completing the mode entirely. There's still so much we don't know about the mode though, I really hope we can get a deep dive into the mode sometime soon!

 

[Diddy Kong]

3 Uniques

Dixie Kong
Isaac
Banjo-Kazooie

3 Semi-Clones

Impa
Celica
Bandana Waddle Dee

3 Echoes

Ken
Funky Kong
Felix

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I can personally imagine Luigi, Ness, Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon being unlocked the same way as they were in the original game.

I can also imagine someone like Peach being unlocked such as playing on a Mario stage once too.

 

[Pakky]

I wonder if Virtual Fighter will have any more of presence in Smash?

Like SNK guys would be a dream and that's not even impossible but is just feels distant.

After MVCI tanked getting Capcom vs SNK 3 would be dank.

But yeah Mai and Terry for Smash.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I wonder if Virtual Fighter will have any more of presence in Smash?

Like SNK guys would be a dream and that's not even impossible but is just feels distant.

I thought VF was more niche than KoF, except for VF1.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

I wonder if Virtual Fighter will have any more of presence in Smash?

Like SNK guys would be a dream and that's not even impossible but is just feels distant.

After MVCI tanked getting Capcom vs SNK 3 would be dank.

But yeah Mai and Terry for Smash.

I'd be down for an SNK character in Smash. Terry Bogard does feel the most likely, though I'd prefer Athena Asamiya or Nakoruru if I had to choose. Mai Shiranui would be pretty awesome too, though she might have to be toned down slightly for the E +10 rating (at least some of the "bounciness" she brings to the table). I personally would be cool with Metal Slug representation too, even if it were as an Assist Trophy.

EDIT: Virtua Fighter would be neat, but I'm not familiar enough with the series to give a solid opinion on it. Kage-Maru was my favorite when I did play the original briefly though, I'd love to see him in some form if we did get VF representation.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Various ways. Unlocking through Spirits, number of vs. matches, downloading amiibo, etc.

If we have 72 characters, but only start with 8, vs matches may feel like they take forever. If it’s still every 10 vs matches it will take 640 matches.

 

[DJ3DS]

Had another run of Ultimate today; 21 different matches with 10 different characters.

This game is fantastic.

 

[Iridium]

So, do you all think Echo Fighters should be unlocked on the same stage with their original? As in, should they be unlocked at the same time as the fighter they're based on? Nothing big, but I'm curious.

Had another run of Ultimate today; 21 different matches with 10 different characters.

This game is fantastic.

Do you have any footage? Any characters you remember trying out? I would love to see analyses on the characters you tried!

 

[P.Kat]

So maybe here’s something to talk about:

What top 10 content do you want to see included except roster additions like “I want Banjo”. However, you can include “If we get Banjo, I want ____ music.” You can include content what would come with the roster addition.

1. I want One Wing Angel for FF7 music.
2. In addition, Sephiroth as an Assist.
3. If we get Scorpion, his neutral special has to be his “come over here” spear attack and Kirby has to mimic Scorpion.
4. More trophies to represent the previous DLC 3rd party franchises ie Street fighter and Final Fantasy
5. Customized gear that actually serves a purpose and visually changes the character ie Mario’s Flying Cap which greatly enhances his jumps or possibly Smash-unique gear like a eye visor headgear for Zamus that reduces projectile damage.
6. Roster characters can appear as Assist Trophies (and maybe vice versa).
7. If we get Banjo, Gruntilda rhyme codecs.
8. A Museum mode where we can unlock various replicas like what we saw at E3. The Monado Blade. Ryu’s Gi. Link’s Megaton Hammer. Daisy’s Cruise Ship.
9. Fortnite stage. I think we would hate it but it could work.
10. Interview videos of each characters creator/director and his/her thoughts when designing said character, the future they envisioned for them, and what they thinking about that character fighting in Smash.

1. If we get Amaterasu, I want music from Okami, as well as her trademark flower trail she makes when she walks/runs.
2. It may be small, but I want the sword sound effects back from Melee, when two Swordfighter characters clashesswords.
3. If we get Elma, I want a Skell Assist Trophy that you can enter in, pilot around the stage, and switch between guns and swords attacks, imagine two or more players getting into a Skell fight in Smash. Which brings up my next point.
4. Fixed Assist Trophy settings - Allow players to individually pick their Assist for their fight like most fighting games do.
5. Xenoblade Music who's songs changes from day to night versions, depending on the time of day on the stage.
6. All characters gaining battle damage, a good example is Little Mac, and Olimar, give all characters some type of wear and tear (torn clothes, chipped armor, heavy breathing, cuts, bruises, burns, short circuiting suits, unkempt appearance, maybe even a missing shoe)
7. Victory texts like from Street Fighter, where each character would say something specific to all/certain characters after a fight (like the FE characters) or have the text describe their actions in Kirby's case.
8. Customizable Gear, and different outfits that provides perks/buffs
9. Interview videos cause that would be great.
10. Smash run coming back with all players on the same large stage.

Lyn (in the ly thread iv'e explained various ideas why Lyn myrmidon class could be a completely original character while not being too gimmickt centered)

What would be a nice touch is if Sakurai gives her a unique dodge roll, and sidestep. See how Palutena, Rosalina, and Mewtwo have a teleport for their evasion, and Bayonetta has her bats? Why not give Lyn an afterimages/speed clone dodge?
When dodge rolling/air dodging she can flash step to the direction she dodge towards leaving behind an afterimage, and when sidestepping, she split into two Lyns one on each side of the opponent then combines back together when the sidestep finish. Attacking the afterimages don't stun or harms the opponent it's just merely aesthetic, but it would really stay true to her abilities, and make her look untouchable.

Based on the confirmed roster so far, who do you guys plan on using when you play Squad Strike? Your choices can include mains from past games, those you consider using in Ultimate, or any other criteria you deem fit. I'll be listing a few variances myself.

For 3 v 3 battles:
Main Team:
Secondary Team:
Newcomer Team:

For 5 v 5 battles:
Main Team:
Secondary Team:

Newcomer Team:

For my newcomer choices, there is a good chance some of them may become new mains or secondaries, thus shifting the teams around a bit, but I figured it would be fun to build teams in advance. I'm actually really looking forward to this mode, it was one of my highlights from the 8/8 Direct, which already had a lot of great new features being announced. Would be especially lovely if we could play both this mode and Smashdown online.

3v3
Main

Secondary

Newcomer

5v5
Main

Secondary

Newcomer

I'm gonna have a big challenge unlocking all the characters in this game. I usually challenge myself to unlock everyone in 24 hours or less, but I have so many characters to get! I'll still try though. Knowing that, what character are you all most excited to unlock (from Melee to Ultimate)? For me:

Melee:
Brawl:
4:
Ultimate:

Melee

Brawl

4

Ultimate

 

[Nethermoosen]

So, do you all think Echo Fighters should be unlocked on the same stage with their original? As in, should they be unlocked at the same time as the fighter they're based on? Nothing big, but I'm curious.

Only if they tag team you for the unlock battle. Assuming that’s still what we do.

.....God. It would feel empty without the “NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES” but, wouldn’t it?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If we have 72 characters, but only start with 8, vs matches may feel like they take forever. If it’s still every 10 vs matches it will take 640 matches.

That's honestly one way of doing it.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

Had another run of Ultimate today; 21 different matches with 10 different characters.

This game is fantastic.

All the footage I've seen of the game in action looks so clean, I can really see getting lost in it when the game releases officially. None of the Best Buys offering the demo are close enough to my location to be able to experience it, but c'est la vie.

I'm glad you got to spend some time with it though! I'm hoping we'll get an online demo at least within a month of Ultimate's release, as that's probably the only way I'd be able to play it before launch. Even if it was only the E3 demo, that would be more than enough to satisfy me until release, as I got so much mileage out of the Smash 3DS demo before it released (played it every single day before it came out).

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Spoiler: Possibly spoilers apparently

What's the consensus here on the Ken Masters photo leak?

 

[ZephyrZ]

On one hand, I really appreciate that the thread has slowed down to a pace where I can actually keep up with it, but on the other hand, it really saddens me that it's because all anyone seems to want to talk about is leaks for some reason. Everyone's complete obsession with newcomers can be really unhealthy for the community...

Anyway, as for my teams.

3vs3

5vs5

Spoiler: Leak

What's the consensus here on the Ken Masters photo leak?

Here, fixed that for you.

 

[Iridium]

All the footage I've seen of the game in action looks so clean, I can really see getting lost in it when the game releases officially. None of the Best Buys offering the demo are close enough to my location to be able to experience it, but c'est la vie.

I'm glad you got to spend some time with it though! I'm hoping we'll get an online demo at least within a month of Ultimate's release, as that's probably the only way I'd be able to play it before launch. Even if it was only the E3 demo, that would be more than enough to satisfy me until release, as I got so much mileage out of the Smash 3DS demo before it released (played it every single day before it came out).

I'm stuck in the same boat. At least I've found a lot of footage online (had to add those Link matches to the playlist). There's actually a lot more obscure SSBU events that haven't been noticed that I found, but I can't blame everyone for that.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

So, do you all think Echo Fighters should be unlocked on the same stage with their original? As in, should they be unlocked at the same time as the fighter they're based on? Nothing big, but I'm curious.


Do you have any footage? Any characters you remember trying out? I would love to see analyses on the characters you tried!

Only if they tag team you for the unlock battle. Assuming that’s still what we do.

.....God. It would feel empty without the “NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES” but, wouldn’t it?

If we can get "NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES" for both the original and Echo Fighter, then I'd be all for fighting and unlocking them both at the same time. A possible idea I just thought of though... what if you defeated one of them, but fell to the other? It would be kind of hilarious if you defeated the Echo Fighter but fell to the unique character (i.e. Defeating Richter but falling to Simon, thus unlocking Richter before Simon), and thus the Echo Fighter would show up on your select screen first.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What's the consensus here on the Ken Masters photo leak?

Really well done; if it’s a fake it’s a real impressive detailed one

Leaker hasn’t posted anything since which could mean they were caught, lending more credence to this being real

 

[Diddy Kong]

Based on the confirmed roster so far, who do you guys plan on using when you play Squad Strike? Your choices can include mains from past games, those you consider using in Ultimate, or any other criteria you deem fit. I'll be listing a few variances myself.

For 3 v 3 battles:
Main Team:
Secondary Team:
Newcomer Team:

For 5 v 5 battles:
Main Team:
Secondary Team:

Newcomer Team:

For my newcomer choices, there is a good chance some of them may become new mains or secondaries, thus shifting the teams around a bit, but I figured it would be fun to build teams in advance. I'm actually really looking forward to this mode, it was one of my highlights from the 8/8 Direct, which already had a lot of great new features being announced. Would be especially lovely if we could play both this mode and Smashdown online.

3 Vs 3

Main Team:
Secondary Team:
Newcomer Team:

5 Vs 5

Main Team:
Secondary Team:
Newcomer Team:

Choose all newcomers besides K.Rool on the base that they are either Echoes I can at least try cause am familiar with the other character, or it's Ridley and Ridley looks cool and fun.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

On one hand, I really appreciate that the thread has slowed down to a pace where I can actually keep up with it, but on the other hand, it really saddens me that it's because all anyone seems to want to talk about is leaks for some reason. Everyone's complete obsession with newcomers can be really unhealthy for the community...

Anyway, as for my teams.

3vs3

5vs5


Here, fixed that for you.

I personally don't like talking about leaks so much, as it can get taxing reading debates about whether they're real or not, plus I prefer to be surprised by Sakurai himself rather than getting spoiled by any leaker (helps build the hype more imo). I'm very satisfied with what we have now in fact: Just the sheer fact that all of the characters are returning, including Snake and every other cut veteran, made this game's roster imo, and every other newcomer is icing on the cake for me. I like seeing newcomers too, but am really happy not having to worry if Mewtwo or Mega Man got cut for this game for instance.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I will say it again people are going overboard with echoes in the smash community saying that they will be like 6 or 7 echoes left when where probaly getting like 3 4 left max cause ulitmate has been going crazy with echoes

This is what happens when a community stifled the idea of clone fighters for so long as "wasted slots".

When the opportunity for non-cooties clones shows itself, we got a bit nuts with it.

I can see as many Echos are new characters, whatever the final number may be.