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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Ok, someone made a joke thread about Groudon on Gamefaqs, and it made me realize something.

Ridley's "true height" (as in, when he stands up tall) in Smash Ultimate is said to be 4 meters.
Groudon's canon height is 3.5 meters.
Groudon isn't "too big". :troll:
 
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Swap Ridley and Dark Samus’ stages, Norfair is where Ridley’s Lair is located and Frigate Orpheon is the only Prime stage which Dark Samus hails from (though she only appeared in Prime 2 & 3, not 1).
Ahh okay, only played one Metroid game for about 5 minutes and don't know much about the franchise, thanks for telling me though.
 

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Geno? He's the boring pick give me Cackleta and Fawful as a duo fighter.

Don't really want minecreft Steve in if he gets in then it's time game for a lot of crazy characters like Ghost from call of duty modern warfare 2
 

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Sometime in November. I doubt we're going to get more than 2 Smash directs. I think in October we'll get a Robin-esque trailer.
I'd be happy with any reveal in October personally if our Smash Direct happens in November, whether as a Robin-style reveal or not. :)

Hopefully it wouldn't happen any later than November 7th, since not only is that one month from Ultimate's release, I'm sure that Pokémon Let's Go will have some increased coverage/trailers happening shortly before its release as well, so I think Nintendo will try to fit Smash in around it. Plus we have to consider that the leaks will probably pick up in intensity when there's less than a month left, so if Nintendo wants to beat leakers to the punch, it would be advantageous of them to make their announcements earlier rather than later.
 

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Do yall think, if Minecraft is in, it will be revealed at Minecon?

I know we have no precedent of characters or other stuff showing up outside of Nintendo/Smash directs and such, but Minecon is a really big event, so I can imagine Mojang & Nintendo working together on this, even if the video just goes up after the main presentation.
 

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Do yall think, if Minecraft is in, it will be revealed at Minecon?

I know we have no precedent of characters or other stuff showing up outside of Nintendo/Smash directs and such, but Minecon is a really big event, so I can imagine Mojang & Nintendo working together on this, even if the video just goes up after the main presentation.
It's incredibly unlikely, I think, but not impossible.
 

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Do yall think, if Minecraft is in, it will be revealed at Minecon?

I know we have no precedent of characters or other stuff showing up outside of Nintendo/Smash directs and such, but Minecon is a really big event, so I can imagine Mojang & Nintendo working together on this, even if the video just goes up after the main presentation.
Maybe a potential announcement of a trailer reveal if I had to guess, similarly to how the August 8th Direct was announced at EVO on August 5th. I'm not sure that a Steve-in-Smash reveal at Minecon would happen personally, but I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility.
 

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Do yall think, if Minecraft is in, it will be revealed at Minecon?

I know we have no precedent of characters or other stuff showing up outside of Nintendo/Smash directs and such, but Minecon is a really big event, so I can imagine Mojang & Nintendo working together on this, even if the video just goes up after the main presentation.
Honestly, I do. I don't Know... I just feel it... ya Know? I feel like Minecon could be big enough...
Thing is, Would they get it out of the way first, or save it for the end?
Also, Imagine If Sakurai Shows Up... (It would give me Starlink Vibes when Star Fox and Miyamoto Were on stage at Ubisoft's E3 Conference).
 

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They wouldn't reveal Smash info at an event that has nothing to do with Smash Bros.

This is "Incineroar reveal at the Pokémon World Championships" all over again.
 

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They wouldn't reveal Smash info at an event that has nothing to do with Smash Bros.

This is "Incineroar reveal at the Pokémon World Championships" all over again.
We'll see. After all, they literally revealed smash in a mere direct.
 
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So maybe here’s something to talk about:

What top 10 content do you want to see included except roster additions like “I want Banjo”. However, you can include “If we get Banjo, I want ____ music.” You can include content what would come with the roster addition.

1. I want One Wing Angel for FF7 music.
2. In addition, Sephiroth as an Assist.
3. If we get Scorpion, his neutral special has to be his “come over here” spear attack and Kirby has to mimic Scorpion.
4. More trophies to represent the previous DLC 3rd party franchises ie Street fighter and Final Fantasy
5. Customized gear that actually serves a purpose and visually changes the character ie Mario’s Flying Cap which greatly enhances his jumps or possibly Smash-unique gear like a eye visor headgear for Zamus that reduces projectile damage.
6. Roster characters can appear as Assist Trophies (and maybe vice versa).
7. If we get Banjo, Gruntilda rhyme codecs.
8. A Museum mode where we can unlock various replicas like what we saw at E3. The Monado Blade. Ryu’s Gi. Link’s Megaton Hammer. Daisy’s Cruise Ship.
9. Fortnite stage. I think we would hate it but it could work.
10. Interview videos of each characters creator/director and his/her thoughts when designing said character, the future they envisioned for them, and what they thinking about that character fighting in Smash.
1. One Winged Angel as a track for Final Fantasy VII. Even if we don't get anything else from Final Fantasy, One Winged Angel for me would be enough.
2. Board the Platforms coming back. Pretty underrated mode that would lead to some cool platforming.
3. Boss Battles coming back. Ultimate does have bosses with characters like the Rathalos and Dracula and likely others we don't know. It'd be awesome.
4. More alternate costumes. Snake having Old Snake or Big Boss would be a good example.
5. Street Fighter IV should be present in the soundtrack. There are a lot of awesome tracks in that game, Ryu's Theme is great and Ryu vs Gouken is an amazingly epic piece.
6. Street Fighter and Final Fantasy should have Assist Trophies as they are the only 3rd party franchises to not have one. Sephiroth and Chun-Li would be cool additions (if not Chun Li, then Akuma).
7. Codec's should come back.
8. There is no reason Pac-Maze shouldn't be here. It's a much better stage then Pac-Land in every regard and is way more iconic.
9. If Shadow makes it, Radical Highway and Never Turn Back should be in the game.
10. If Black Shadow makes it, he has to be voiced by Norio Wakamoto, his voice actor in GP Legend.
 

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Ok, someone made a joke thread about Groudon on Gamefaqs, and it made me realize something.

Ridley's "true height" (as in, when he stands up tall) in Smash Ultimate is said to be 4 meters.
Groudon's canon height is 3.5 meters.
Groudon isn't "too big". :troll:
And Rayquaza is normally 23'00", and 35'05" as Mega Rayquaza! How exactly would Olimar canonically look at Rayquaza?
 
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If Steve doesn't get revealed in Minecon then I don't think he is in the game at all.
Not Necessarily, I can see Him being announced at the beginning of a Smash Bros Direct (kinda like how Simon and Richter Were)
At this point, I'm like 70% Sure that Steve is in the game
 
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They wouldn't reveal Smash info at an event that has nothing to do with Smash Bros.

This is "Incineroar reveal at the Pokémon World Championships" all over again.
Don’t forget the “Shantae reveal at the Nindie Direct” as well.

EDIT: :ultgreninja:‘d
 
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Based on the confirmed roster so far, who do you guys plan on using when you play Squad Strike? Your choices can include mains from past games, those you consider using in Ultimate, or any other criteria you deem fit. I'll be listing a few variances myself.

For 3 v 3 battles:
Main Team: :ultpeach::ultmewtwo::ultsnake:
Secondary Team: :ultmegaman::ultcloud::ultrosalina:
Newcomer Team: :ultinkling::ultisabelle::ultridley:

For 5 v 5 battles:
Main Team: :ultpeach::ultmegaman::ultmewtwo::ultcloud::ultsnake:
Secondary Team: :ultrosalina::ultsonic::ultike::ulttoonlink::ultwolf:

Newcomer Team: :ultinkling::ultdarksamus::ultisabelle::ultsimon::ultridley:

For my newcomer choices, there is a good chance some of them may become new mains or secondaries, thus shifting the teams around a bit, but I figured it would be fun to build teams in advance. I'm actually really looking forward to this mode, it was one of my highlights from the 8/8 Direct, which already had a lot of great new features being announced. Would be especially lovely if we could play both this mode and Smashdown online. :)
For 3 vs 3 battles:
Main Team: :ultness::ultpokemontrainer:(Ivysaur):ultkrool:
Secondary Team: :ultryu::ultfalcon::ulttoonlink:
Newcomer Team: :ultrichter::ultisabelle::ultdaisy:

5 vs 5 battles:
Main Team: :ultness::ultpokemontrainer::ultryu::ultkrool::ulttoonlink:
Seconadary Team: :ultfalcon::ultlucas::ultyounglink::ultlucina::ultpacman:
Newcomer Team: :ultdaisy::ultinkling::ultisabelle::ultridley::ultrichter: (Honorable Mentions :ultdarksamus:)

Note: K. Rool is not listed in Newcomer Team variants as I intend to main him fully, therefore he alrady qualify in that category, and it does not go against the original post.
 

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How do you translate Minecraft artsytle to ulitmate though
I think this official artstyle:



Just with Ultimate's shading, idk how'd they make his animations work; I can imagine some working in my head (even with his limbs stiff, but moving in other directions), with jumping being the only thing I'm not sure of.

why is Alex walking off
 
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I’d honestly like to see more Belmont and K. Rool gameplay.
Same. Simon especially, since Simon and Richter didn't get gameplay videos afterward like K. Rool, Chrom, and Dark Samus did.
 

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Anyone else get into SSF2 just to shake up your game choice? I did, and here are my thoughts.
I think the non-anime characters SSF2 adds are amazing, and most of them would be great additions to smash.
I also think peach's turnip pull deserves a buff, it should be much faster and you should a have some sort of control over it after you throw it.
But that's just me, anyone else?
 

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Speaking of vs. battles. Just think we can now finally have our heroes vs. villains match.

:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus: vs. :ultbowser::ultkrool::ultganondorf::ultridley:

Not to mention a villain vs. villain match.

:ultbowser:vs.:ultkrool:vs.:ultganondorf:vs.:ultridley:
 

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So uh...is anyone looking forward to the Rathalos boss battle?
Definitely; I also want to see just how different he is as a boss and as an Assist Trophy.

Also looking forward to fighting Dracula and any other bosses that show up, as they were one of the highlights of the Subspace Emissary mode for me personally.
 

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I've just had a thought, this is kind of a minor thing and isn't that important when it comes to the game, but what stages do you think you'll fight each character on when you're trying to unlock them?

All the Fire Emblem characters could have any Fire Emblem stage but I just picked which one's I think fitted them.

Here's my guesses:

Dark Samus - Norfair
Luigi - Luigi's Mansion (if unlockable)
Ness - Onett (if unlockable)
Captain Falcon - Port Town Aero Dive (if unlockable)
Jigglypuff - Saffron City (if unlockable)
Peach - Peach's Castle
Daisy - Princess Peach's Castle
Bowser - Mushroom Kingdom
Ice Climbers - Summit
Sheik - Gerudo Valley
Zelda - Temple
Dr. Mario - Mario Bros.
Pichu - Pokémon Stadium
Falco - Corneria
Marth - Castle Siege
Lucina - Coliseum
Young Link - Great Bay
Ganondorf - Bridge of Eldin
Mewtwo - Pokémon Stadium
Roy - Castle Siege
Chrom - Arena Ferox
Mr. Game & Watch - Flat Zone X
Meta Knight - Halberd
Pit - Skyworld
Dark Pit - Reset Bomb Forest
Zero Suit Samus - Brinstar
Wario - WarioWare, Inc.
Snake - Shadow Moses Island
Ike - Castle Siege
Pokémon Trainer - Pokémon Stadium 2
Diddy Kong - Jungle Japes
Lucas - New Pork City
Sonic - Green Hill Zone
King Dedede - Fountain of Dreams
Olimar - Distant Planet/Garden of Hope
Lucario - Spear Pillar
R.O.B. - Wrecking Crew/Balloon Fight
Toon Link - Pirate Ship/Spirit Train
Wolf - Lylat Cruise
Villager - Smashville
Mega Man - Wily's Castle
Wii Fit Trainer - Wii Fit Studio
Rosalina & Luma - Mario Galaxy
Little Mac - Boxing Ring
Greninja - Prism Tower/Kalos Pokémon League
Mii's - Find Mii/Tomodachi Life (if unlockable)
Palutena - Palutena's Temple
Pac-Man - Pac-Land
Robin - Arena Ferox
Shulk - Gaur Plain
Bowser Jr. - Delfino Plaza
Duck Hunt - Duck Hunt (lol)
Ryu - Suzaku Castle
Cloud - Midgar
Corrin - Coliseum
Bayonetta - Umbra Clock Tower
Inkling - Moray Towers
Ridley - Frigate Orpheon
Simon - Dracula's Castle
Richter - Dracula's Castle
King K. Rool - Kongo Falls
Isabelle - Town and City
Overall, good predictions but I disagree on a few stages:
1. Arena Ferox is specifically from Fire Emblem Awakening so I think Chrom, Lucina and Robin will all be unlocked there.
2. Ganondorf is likely to be unlocked in Gerudo Valley, like in Smash 3DS. It makes sense given he's the Gerudo king.
3. Daisy could be in one of the Mario Kart stages as she's more prominent in Mario spin-off games.
4. Ridley is likely to be in Norfair since that's his lair in both Metroid, Super Metroid and Metroid: Zero Mission. Dark Samus, being from the Metroid Prime series, would be a better fit for Frigate Orpheon.

Also interesting will be seeing what song choices will be made for each character. I can see King K. Rool having the new Gang-Plank Galleon remix playing in his match, for example.
 

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How do you translate Minecraft artsytle to ulitmate though
start using the clean look of the main cover as a reference (instead the dirty pixelated one) This and shaders probably willl help a lot.

From here start taking creative liberties until you get something as cool as Classic pacman in smash4...
 

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So uh...is anyone looking forward to the Rathalos boss battle

?

Yes, please! I need to reenact this so much.

Anyone else get into SSF2 just to shake up your game choice? I did, and here are my thoughts.
I think the non-anime characters SSF2 adds are amazing, and most of them would be great additions to smash.
I also think peach's turnip pull deserves a buff, it should be much faster and you should a have some sort of control over it after you throw it.
But that's just me, anyone else?
In the time I stopped playing Smash, I went with this game, and it's still fun. Seeing how they're going to add Simon, Krystal, Rayman and Waluigi as playable characters (even added Pichu and Sandbag!), they're set to have a diverse roster too!
 
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Speaking of vs. battles. Just think we can now finally have our heroes vs. villains match.

:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus: vs. :ultbowser::ultkrool::ultganondorf::ultridley:

Not to mention a villain vs. villain match.

:ultbowser:vs.:ultkrool:vs.:ultganondorf:vs.:ultridley:
The amount of unique matchups that will be possible in Ultimate really warms my heart. :love:

For example:

:ultmario: vs. :ultinkling: (Inklings making a mess with ink while Mario cleans it up with Fludd)

:ultsamus: :ultzss:vs. :ultsimon::ultrichter: (Battle of Metroidvania)

:ultmarth: vs. :ultchrom: vs. :ultlucina: (Battle of the Hero-King and his descendants)

Assuming Ken is in Ultimate, we can finally have this matchup as well:

:ultryu: Ken vs. :ultchrom::ultlucina: (Two playable pairs of units in Project x Zone 2)

Among others. :)
 

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Here’s my shot at 3 uniques/semi clones/echoes thing:

3 Uniques:
Elma
Neku Sakuraba
Chorus Kids

3 Semi Clones:
Waddle Dee
Black Shadow
Ken

3 Echoes:
Celica
Zack Fair
Impa

Honorable mention: Fiora as an Elma echo, KOS-MOS as a unique, Kumatora as a semi clone
 
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Anyone else get into SSF2 just to shake up your game choice? I did, and here are my thoughts.
I think the non-anime characters SSF2 adds are amazing, and most of them would be great additions to smash.
I also think peach's turnip pull deserves a buff, it should be much faster and you should a have some sort of control over it after you throw it.
But that's just me, anyone else?
I play it and agreed ABOUT Chibi-Robo, Bandana Dee and Isaac being great. I can't wait to play as Krystal and Simon.

Also, it gives me the change to play as old Zelda.
 

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I'm personally fine with his inclusion under the condition Banjo is DLC.
Pretty Sure Banjo is basically a Lock for DLC
So maybe here’s something to talk about:

What top 10 content do you want to see included except roster additions like “I want Banjo”. However, you can include “If we get Banjo, I want ____ music.” You can include content what would come with the roster addition.

1. I want One Wing Angel for FF7 music.
2. In addition, Sephiroth as an Assist.
3. If we get Scorpion, his neutral special has to be his “come over here” spear attack and Kirby has to mimic Scorpion.
4. More trophies to represent the previous DLC 3rd party franchises ie Street fighter and Final Fantasy
5. Customized gear that actually serves a purpose and visually changes the character ie Mario’s Flying Cap which greatly enhances his jumps or possibly Smash-unique gear like a eye visor headgear for Zamus that reduces projectile damage.
6. Roster characters can appear as Assist Trophies (and maybe vice versa).
7. If we get Banjo, Gruntilda rhyme codecs.
8. A Museum mode where we can unlock various replicas like what we saw at E3. The Monado Blade. Ryu’s Gi. Link’s Megaton Hammer. Daisy’s Cruise Ship.
9. Fortnite stage. I think we would hate it but it could work.
10. Interview videos of each characters creator/director and his/her thoughts when designing said character, the future they envisioned for them, and what they thinking about that character fighting in Smash.
1. Guile's theme is Necessary
2. Chun Li as an Assist
3. An Unlockable Playable version Of Smash 64...
4. I'd love a Tetris Stage
5. Give me a Segata Sanshiro Assist Trophy
6. If Steve Gets in, Then I want a Creeper Assist trophy
7. A gallery mode where we can see some of the original Artwork of characters from their debut games..
8. An Iwata Trophy. Gotta give that man a Tribute
9. If A Rhythm Heaven character gets in the game, They better have Remix 4 From Rhythm Heaven Fever
10. Assuming It's nearly the 20th Anniversary of the Franchise, A recreation of this Masterpiece would be nice
 
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