Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[BluePikmin11]

...So, is it not so insane to suggest the possibility of Rash and Fulgore now?

I would say it is not insane to suggest possibilities like Steve and Master Chief, IDK about the other two since their franchises are a small fly compared to the big boys Halo and Minecraft.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Wait was there a legitimate Steve leak?

Wait nvm it's just Vergebin spouting bull****

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I wasn't referring to you

Well then...you shouldn’t have put that “boomers” part in if you was gonna quote me (or at the least put in a /s)

But villains!

Eggman, Medusa, Ash, Black Knight, Robin (when possessed by Grima), Dr.Mario, Jigglypuff, Villager (Killager), Sylux, Evil Octolings, DJ Octavio, Yoshi, Evil Ryu, Violent Ken, Metal Sonic, Mephiles, Hades, Pandora, Goomba and Koopa, Kamek...the list goes on

 

[Autobot N]

Dr.Mario

Wait

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Man, September can't end fast enough

Preach to the choir. At this point I'd rather not spend much of my time on here until then.

I would say it is not insane to suggest possibilities like Steve and Master Chief, IDK about the other two since their franchises are a small fly compared to the big boys Halo and Minecraft.

Yeah, but Battletoads is one of the most notoriously hard retro series ever. The first game is iconic for how Nintendo-hard it is. Plus it'd be perfect to capitalise on the upcoming revival.

 

[Noipoi]

Wait nvm it's just Vergebin spouting bull****

How dare you say such things about our lord and savior Vergeben!
Go to your room and pray for forgiveness!

 

[ZephyrZ]

Good arguments against Steve:
- "Bomberman and Rathalos proved that a 3rd party franchise can be represented without a playable character."
- "Banjo-Kazooie might have scored higher on the ballot (although we can't know for certain)."
- "I don't care about or don't like Steve, but because I'm aware of my bias, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of him being playable."

Bad arguments against Steve (or anyone really):
- "He wouldn't work because of x/y/z reasons."

We've seen this happen with Isabelle being "too pacifistic", we've seen this with Ridley being "too big", and we've seen this with Dark Samus being "too unique to be an echo". C'mon people.

And no matter what side you pick in this debate there are no certainties until he's either confirmed or deconfirmed by Nintendo, so don't get cocky.

 

[Camc10]

Preach to the choir. At this point I'd rather not spend much of my time on here until then.



Yeah, but Battletoads is one of the most notoriously hard retro series ever. The first game is iconic for how Nintendo-hard it is. Plus it'd be perfect to capitalise on the upcoming revival.

And Rash got into Killer Instinct.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Wait

He’s been secretly poisoning and attempting to kill many character who have tried to get into/return to Smash after Brawl, with Waluigi and Yoshi being exceptions

 

[AquaSol]

In my opinion, Minecraft absolutely deserves playable representation, given how much it has achieved in the past decade. I doubt he would get this much hate if he and Banjo were from separate corporations. To be honest, I see waaaaaaay more moveset potential for Steve than I do Banjo.

 

[Autobot N]

He’s been secretly poisoning and attempting to kill many character who have tried to get into/return to Smash after Brawl, with Waluigi and Yoshi being exceptions

You have no proof

 

[Jetsurge]

Ironic how Ryu was leaked and now Ken has been leaked lol

Street Fighter cant catch a break

It was pretty obvious he would be in anyway. He's the original echo fighter, was the only other SF character to have a trophy and their theme in Smash 4 and Ryu's redish alt has been replaced with a purple one.

 

[RandomAce]

That reminds me... of this... (Pretty sure this is an official Tweet by Flex Seal...)

*POTENTIAL NINTENDO LEAK*

Nintendo: How can we prevent future leaks?

Us: Use Flex Seal®, you’ll thank us later!

— Flex Seal (@GetFlexSeal) September 19, 2018

Nintendo: Dammit Flex Seal, it didn’t seal the leak like you told us it would!

 

[praline]

If we have to have Minecraft in Smash it shoukd be a stage at best. A creeper AT maybe.

Not every 3rd party series needs or deserves playable representation.

 

[BluePikmin11]

For one thing, Sakurai might consider adding Banjo to be a less interesting opportunity, when he could be adding the biggest mascots from Microsoft like Chief and Steve. He might have viewed Banjo as a big opportunity back in Smash 64/Melee, but with the current situation, he might choose to pick Steve/Chief over Banjo (characters that would better represent Microsoft as a whole), in sort of the same way that Simon was chosen over Bomberman (Whose IP was also acquired by a big company Konami, whose franchise is also minuscule compared to the big franchises like Frogger, Castlevania, and hell even the Yu-Gi-Oh videogames). We gotta look at all of the possibilities that could have gone through with Microsoft instead of just narrowly seeing one path of Sakurai only approaching Microsoft for Banjo with no roadblocks at all. Thinking only one-way and believing that to be the only possibility could lead you to a path of disappointment.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

God, December 7th cannot come soon enough.

 

[Q-Long]

*deep breathe*

HYRULE WARRIORS LINK IS CUTEST LINK

Good arguments against Steve:
- "Bomberman and Rathalos proved that a 3rd party franchise can be represented without a playable character."
- "Banjo-Kazooie might have scored higher on the ballot (although we can't know for certain)."
- "I don't care about or don't like Steve, but because I'm aware of my bias, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of him being playable."

Bad arguments against Steve (or anyone really):
- "He wouldn't work because of x/y/z reasons."

We've seen this happen with Isabelle being "too pacifistic", we've seen this with Ridley being "too big", and we've seen this with Dark Samus being "too unique to be an echo". C'mon people.

And no matter what side you pick in this debate there are no certainties until he's either confirmed or deconfirmed by Nintendo, so don't get cocky.

I would also add that his animation is very passive. I know there are several characters that don't fight in their series, but because of that, their fighting moves are a blank template.

Of course my argument kind of sounds like "if Ridley is playable he's not Ridley" admittedly. But Ridley's movements are still just as dynamic. I guess for Steve, they could make his attacks slow but with long reach, like the Belmonts.

 

[Noipoi]

Nintendo: Dammit Flex Seal, it didn’t seal the leak like you told us it would!

THAT'S A LOTTA LEAKS

 

[Untouch]

Steve can't bend his limbs, how is he going to roll when teching?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Honestly one of the biggest things I’m looking forward to in the next potential smash direct is another Assist Trophy showcase. With 40 already confirmed right now, and “more than 50” total, we have at least 11 assists unaccounted for.

What Assists are y'all hoping for or predicting? I really hope Poochy

gets to be an assist.

 

[praline]

For one thing, Sakurai might consider adding Banjo to be a less interesting opportunity, when he could be adding the biggest mascots from Microsoft like Chief and Steve. He might have viewed Banjo as a big opportunity back in Smash 64/Melee, but with the current situation, he might choose to pick Steve/Chief over Banjo (characters that would better represent Microsoft as a whole), in sort of the same way that Simon was chosen over Bomberman (Whose IP was also acquired by a big company Konami, whose franchise is also minuscule compared to the big franchises like Frogger, Castlevania, and hell even the Yu-Gi-Oh videogames). We gotta look at all of the possibilities that could have gone through with Microsoft instead of just narrowly seeing one path of Sakurai only approaching Microsoft for Banjo with no roadblocks at all. Thinking only one-way and believing that to be the only possibility could lead you to a path of disappointment.

Master Chief would actually be kinda cool not gonna lie

 

[Zinith]

Honestly one of the biggest things I’m looking forward to in the next potential smash direct is another Assist Trophy showcase. With 40 already confirmed right now, and “more than 50” total, we have at least 11 assists unaccounted for.

What Assists are y'all hoping for or predicting? I really hope Poochy

gets to be an assist.

My boi is the only one of the original 10 franchises that has no items and/or Assist Trophies. It's time

 

[Noipoi]

Honestly one of the biggest things I’m looking forward to in the next potential smash direct is another Assist Trophy showcase. With 40 already confirmed right now, and “more than 50” total, we have at least 11 assists unaccounted for.

What Assists are y'all hoping for or predicting? I really hope Poochy

gets to be an assist.

Dimentio would be pretty cool.

 

[Untouch]

My boi is the only one of the original 10 franchises that has no items and/or Assist Trophies. It's time

add him

 

[Slavic]

My boi is the only one of the original 10 franchises that has no items and/or Assist Trophies. It's time

Even just a ? Cloud as a flying item holder would be anything. Please, there are so many workable items and assists from Yoshi's games

 

[Noipoi]

Even though Kamek is just as much a Mario character as he is a Yoshi character, you could slap the Yoshi stamp on a Kamek assist trophy I wouldn't mind.

 

[Zinith]

Even just a ? Cloud as a flying item holder would be anything. Please, there are so many workable items and assists from Yoshi's games

Poochy is obvious, but other ideas are Prince Froggy, Eggo-dils and Grinders

 

[TMNTSSB4]

You have no proof

Well all the items he’s beaten the **** out of people in Smash as well as him never getting a license are proof enough (also Odyssey when you go Doctor Mode)...so I suppose it’s just Mario overall

 

[Jetsurge]

Honestly one of the biggest things I’m looking forward to in the next potential smash direct is another Assist Trophy showcase. With 40 already confirmed right now, and “more than 50” total, we have at least 11 assists unaccounted for.

What Assists are y'all hoping for or predicting? I really hope Poochy

gets to be an assist.

Isaac (R.I.P)
Ray MK III
Bandanna Dee (R.I.P)
Prince Froggy
Chun-Li
Shantae (R.I.P)
Chocobo
Creeper
Mallow
Mumbo

 

[praline]

Poochy is obvious, but other ideas are Prince Froggy, Eggo-dils and Grinders

What about the weird rat thing with thestop ign rom yoshi story?

 

[Zinith]

What about the weird rat thing with thestop ign rom yoshi story?

Pak E. Derm? Yep, he can work too even though he's in the background of the Yoshi's Story stage. Make it impossible for you to pass until you KO him or he goes away

 

[Autobot N]

Well all the items he’s beaten the **** out of people in Smash as well as him never getting a license are proof enough (also Odyssey when you go Doctor Mode)...so I suppose it’s just Mario overall

"Sometimes, the only way to save a life is to take one"

 

[KMDP]

I was fine with a Minecraft stage, I even kinda liked the idea. But Steve as a playable character?
No. Please just no.

And what's with some people getting on their high horse over this?
Acting "enlightened" and demeaning the people who would rather not have Steve in this game makes you look way more petty than the people that are overreacting.

If we have to have Minecraft in Smash it shoukd be a stage at best. A creeper AT maybe.

Not every 3rd party series needs or deserves playable representation.

Agreed on all points.
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To be honest, I see waaaaaaay more moveset potential for Steve than I do Banjo.

You uh... sure about that?

Have you ever actually played a Banjo-Kazooie game? Honest question.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, if it's okay with everyone, I cam up with a thread I though would be interesting.
Here is the link: https://smashboards.com/threads/4-characters-per-series-only-smash-roster-game.458653/

 

[Koopaul]

I would also add that his animation is very passive. I know there are several characters that don't fight in their series, but because of that, their fighting moves are a blank template.

Of course my argument kind of sounds like "if Ridley is playable he's not Ridley" admittedly. But Ridley's movements are still just as dynamic. I guess for Steve, they could make his attacks slow but with long reach, like the Belmonts.

In the past, I would have said there was some weight to the argument of Ridley being too big, if it weren't for the fact that Smash upscales and downscales characters all the time. I need evidence within the series itself to know if it's possible or impossible.

Even then, it took Ridley until now to be playable in Smash because of the difficulties with the character. So yes. Steve can be a fighter, litterally anyone can be a fighter. But if Sakurai thinks he would be too difficult or is not suited to be a fighter this time around, he will skip out on him, just like he did with Ridley and Villager in the past.

Just because someone can be a fighter doesn't mean that they can be made one easily. Some characters are more easily realizable as fighters than others.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

"Sometimes, the only way to save a life is to take one"

Or you know...trillion of lives just to save one woman...and not even the right woman

His friends and Luigi would disapprove of such a method if it weren’t for them doing the exact same thing

 

[Kaeltor]

My boi is the only one of the original 10 franchises that has no items and/or Assist Trophies. It's time

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Yoshi is the most deserving franchise for a unique playable character. Kamek anyone?

 

[Jetsurge]

If Sakurai ignores Banjo for Steve, I'm pretty sure he'll ignore Geno for a DQ rep as well.

 

[Autobot N]

Or you know...trillion of lives just to save one woman...and not even the right woman

His friends and Luigi would disapprove of such a method if it weren’t for them doing the exact same thing

C'mon, man. Bowser and his goons are objectively evil. Why else would they build their castle close to lava?

 

[Zinith]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Yoshi is the most deserving franchise for a unique playable character. Kamek anyone?

Saying that I'm up for more Yoshi reps is like saying Tom Cruise is up for more Mission: Impossible sequels. Count me in!!!