Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Exalt4747]

I ran the pic through an online ERA tool and it seems that the Ken pic is a legitimate photo.

ERA?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

May I request an individual with some intense Street Fighter knowledge tell me a bit about the history of Ken going from clone to original fighter? I would greatly appreciate it.

Ken was a total clone in SF1 and he was also a complete clone in SF2 with the exception of a different back throw. It was only until later editions of SF2 that he started gaining differences from Ryu and from there on he has evolved throughout SF history to the point where he is dramatically different in SF5, sharing few normal moves with the Special Moves he shares with Ryu having dramatically different properties.

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

DLC should be an add on and not carving out the spiciest characters from the baseline game and making you pay for them.

However ARMS had characters for free, but god, I think nintendo knows how much money these will make so there's no way we are getting a splatoon/arms style service

 

[Mc.Rad]

ERA?

I meant to say ELA, it's basically an algorithm that detects "errors" in photographs and usually tells if things have been photo-shopped or not... That ken pic was super low when I checked it, so yeah, this is real

What I'm more confused about is the fact that we didn't get to see any other character, like any character that would be different from what Vergeben has leaked so far. I think it would probably make me even less suspicious of this leak if they leaked somebody who wasn't in said leaks. Especially now, since Vergeben didn't leak K.Rool.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

*See's the Ken leak image*
If the Palutena leaks of old have told me anything...
That's 90% legit. Yes it's not a full shot, but it has that nice Sakurai detail to it. Especially the face(ugly as sin, but expressive)

Wasn't that Palutena leak fake? I mean, she was in the game but I'm pretty sure the pic was fake

 

[Murlough]

See, that’s the worst possible outcome that could happen, though. On TOP of Steve being in the game at all, he’s also ****ing paid DLC along with the SE rep.
If you thought the backlash against the Switch online service was bad, wait until Steve and Geno/Sora/DQ rep get announced as pre-order bonuses/day 1 DLC.

The same reaction any other game would get.

It literally means nothing. Mewtwo wasn’t EVEN day 1 DLC. We knew about him before Day 1.

Honestly, I’ve never subscribed to the idea that Day 1 DLC is inherently a bad thing. In the case of games like Destiny, who clearly cut content in the base game, yeah there is a problem, especially because of how pricey the packs are. The game clearly is missing loads of content solely to squeeze more money out of the consumer.

Smash Ultimate having a Fighter or 2 Day 1? I genuinely wouldn’t care, especially if they do a season pass anyway. There are over 70 fighters, over 100 stages, potentially a story mode w/ bad *** cutscenes, a ton of QoL changes Smash 4 desperately needed.....I’d say they earned an extra 5 bucks from me.

Those who think that Day 1 DLC is inherently an evil practice need to use their gnoggins(I hope this is how you spell that) more. There are scummy ways and then there is “we are a business and this game thoroughly qualifies as complete BEFORE the first DLC.”

There was a huge uproar about BBTAG DLC and honestly you couldn’t convince me that the complainers weren’t fools without sense even if a higher being descended from above to debate with me.

Tl;dr if the base game can be considered a “full game” I believe its fine to have day 1 DLC. If the game clearly cut corners to sell back to the consumer later.....stop buying that companies games.

 

[Deleted member]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

 

[masterluigi1]

that ken image looks pretty real idk

 

[Exalt4747]

I meant to say ELA, it's basically an algorythm that detects "errors" in photographs and usually tells if things have been photo-shopped or not... That ken pic was super low when I checked it, so yeah, this is real

Okay, I'll trust you.

 

[Captain Fun]

I meant to say ELA, it's basically an algorythm that detects "errors" in photographs and usually tells if things have been photo-shopped or not... That ken pic was super low when I checked it, so yeah, this is real

Wouldn't that only work on the original image, and not an off-screen photo?

 

[CosmicQuark]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

My guess, 75 if they're not the only ones, 95 if they are.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

50. Sure there are the groups that are salty because there are no true fan requested characters but with all characters returning and a good amount of requested characters are in the roster, it is safe to say that it is satsifying. Beside, DLC is inevitable.

 

[Pakky]

I meant to say ELA, it's basically an algorithm that detects "errors" in photographs and usually tells if things have been photo-shopped or not... That ken pic was super low when I checked it, so yeah, this is real

What I'm more confused about is the fact that we didn't get to see any other character, like any character that would be different from what Vergeben has leaked so far. I think it would probably make me even less suspicious of this leak if they leaked somebody who wasn't in said leaks. Especially now, since Vergeben didn't leak K.Rool.

Miss Big Research in control!
I love it! Good work!

 

[Kirby Dragons]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

At least 50 for sure.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It could also be someone messing around with Smash 4 Mods (maybe they’ve replicated Moray Towers in a Smash 4 Mod) and used a custom Ken model, or someone messing around in Source Filmmaker.

The fact that Ken’s portrait hasn’t been shown is suspicious. They showed both the footage and portraits for the ESRB leak, so

 

[Potato_]

So that Ken image. I'm 100% on team real.

What sells me are the facial details. That looks too detailed for a fake, especially due to the team's focus on making sure every fighter is expressive. I could totally see this thing being legit.

Who posted it?

Also that new pokemon jesus what the hell is it

 

[Murlough]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

Not, because both were always expected, at least since the Echo reveal.

If they are the last two characters then some will throw a hissy fit about it but the community as a whole will be fine.

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

Can the ELA thing detect camera pics, because thats a pic of the ken pic, not the ken pic itself.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Ken image...what the **** have I missed out on to not know about this?

 

[Frostwraith]

You can see the Triforce of Power in Ganondorf's hand during his Final Smash. Got to love the attention to detail.

Spoiler

 

[Exalt4747]

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

Higher than it should be.

That's easy for me to say as an Incineroar pusher, but this game is PACKED.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm on team: I don't care, it's only Ken

He's going to be in the game anyway

 

[Mc.Rad]

Wouldn't that only work on the original image, and not an off-screen photo?

Well I did test it with the fake Agnes leak and I got the results that showed heavy photo-shopping with that pic. So, I'm guessing that this works for even off-screen photos as well, lol

 

[Phaazoid]

Hmm, some thoughts on the recent leaks discussion.

#1, first and foremost, the Prima leak is 100% bs. stop believing that **** lol.

#2, the Ken pic looks very impressive. No idea if it's real or not, but it does manage to avoid any big pitfalls that would immediately give it away as fake.

#3, of all the things to leak, to me at least, Ken is the most boring >.>

#4, I'm not putting any stock in the box leak, and only a little in Verg. However, Verg hasn't been outright incorrect about anything smash related yet. This leads me to believe that both Incin and Ken will be in the game. Will we get other characters? Maybe. I personally think there's at least one smash centered direct left. It will reveal that secret game mode, and drop some characters on us. I feel it would be a little strange to drop 2 uniques and 2 echoes in the middle direct, and then 1 unique and 1 echo in the final direct. Makes me think we'll probably get something more.

HOWEVER, I could see Incin/Ken being the last 2 in the base game if the final direct announces the first round of DLC characters.

Finally, stop ******** about the roster and expecting 5+ new unique characters. This game is already more like a smash 4 upgrade than a full new smash. Everything we're getting is extra. We aren't owed anything. I'm pleased as punch that my favorite character got in, but even if he didn't i wouldn't be crying about it all over the boards.

 

[TnadeN]

Higher than it should be.

That's easy for me to say as an Incineroar pusher, but this game is PACKED.

Basically this yeah. I'm also disappointed in the amount of rage being directed at a potential minecraft rep. That game sold bonkers and is still very much alive.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I looked at the picture and while I still think he’s in the game, I don’t think the leak is real...he looks weird here

 

[Taco Cruise]

The image has so much attention to detail for a character not many on any forums are excited about that I'd believe this is real. This also gives a slight bit of credibility to the Prima leaker, who said more would come today (possible delivery on that statement? Nobody can really know, but if we see Vault Boy, Mach Rider, or Black Shadow the same way I'd say it's a near lock, for now it's 5% likely)

So, on a scale of 1 to 100, if Ken and Inceneroar do end being real, how salty will this community be?

It really depends, if you're most wanted characters were Ridley and K. Rool then you're going to be hyped for the game regardless.

If your most wanted is Issac, BWD, or Geno you may be pretty salty.

The community as a whole (of which the forums are a TINY TINY minority) will be happy regardless and the roster is more than good enough to warrant a purchase.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm saying that the amount of time spent complaining is disproportionate to the amount it costs in the first place.

Additionally, I'm not saying stay silent about DLC practice. I'm saying make an informed statement and dont complain about everything that costs money simply because it costs money. Do your research and do your homework, or your point does not stand much ground.

Choose your battles, because they are not equivalent.

I'n sorry but that's something really stupid to say. It's not about how much it costs, it's about DLC practices. Money isn't simply used for buying games, it's used to buy necessities so when someone does spend money on a game, it's because they reserved that money for it and they can't simply pay more just to get the full game.
Voicing your own displeasures on the internet doesn't cost money and if you think someone can just "go work" to get that money then you have no idea how a human works.

And if you wanna get into pricing, the time people spend complaining is nowhere near how much all DLC do cost. Because this isn't just about Smash, this is about gaming as a whole.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm on team real for the Ken image.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Heck I'm just glad we finally are getting into the actual real leaks(?). I'm not sure if it will be an all out leak like the ESRB one or if this will be the only image...

 

[Pakky]

I'm on team real for the Ken image.

*Sits down on the bleachers*

I'm on team real.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Surprisingly, I’m still on Team Fake. They should have shown his portrait/damage count with the model

 

[DevaAshera]

Oh I see that means he supports Sora in smash bros

However that Walt Disney roadblock is still too big in my opinion

I don't think it is, honestly. Square-Enix had no trouble getting Sora for World of Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy Record Keeper. Since Sora isn't, say, Mickey Mouse, Disney may be more willing to licence him out..not to mention they likely know he'd be in good hands with Nintendo.

 

[Pakky]

Surprisingly, I’m still on Team Fake. They should have shown his portrait/damage count with the model

Fair point, hmmm.

 

[masterluigi1]

Not, because both were always expected, at least since the Echo reveal.

If they are the last two characters then some will throw a hissy fit about it but the community as a whole will be fine.

incineroar wasn't always expected. before vergeben said anything people thought decidueye was the most likely

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Banjo is for boomers and Steve is for zoomers, and there are just frankly more zoomers than boomers nowadays.

Isn't the average age of the Nintendo consumer in their high 20s/low 30s? According to Nintendo's data more Switch owners are over 25 years old than under.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'n sorry but that's something really stupid to say. It's not about how much it costs, it's about DLC practices. Money isn't simply used for buying games, it's used to buy necessities so when someone does spend money on a game, it's because they reserved that money for it and they can't simply pay more just to get the full game.
Voicing your own displeasures on the internet doesn't cost money and if you think someone can just "go work" to get that money then you have no idea how a human works.

And if you wanna get into pricing, the time people spend complaining is nowhere near how much all DLC do cost. Because this isn't just about Smash, this is about gaming as a whole.

You lump "all DLC practices" into one category, as if that generalization is effective in communication (or expresses your understanding of the situation), and my comment about complaining without information is, "stupid?" You are taking some extreme logical leaps here.
If you are going to resort to name-calling and telling me I'm not aware how human beings , I'm not sure how to find a middle ground in claims you think you are making. It seems more to reflect your lack of understanding of basic economy than my relationship to humanity.

I think a lot of services need to be free for the function of society. If you think extra gaming content is something to which you are entitled for free, I don't understand where from your background is, but it seems far less grounded in reality than mine, where I expect that to get something, I must give something.

 

[Pakky]

Isn't the average age of the Nintendo consumer in their high 20s/low 30s? According to Nintendo's data more Switch owners are over 25 years old than under.

I'm one of those :D

 

[pupNapoleon]

Ken was a total clone in SF1 and he was also a complete clone in SF2 with the exception of a different back throw. It was only until later editions of SF2 that he started gaining differences from Ryu and from there on he has evolved throughout SF history to the point where he is dramatically different in SF5, sharing few normal moves with the Special Moves he shares with Ryu having dramatically different properties.

IIRC, Ken was basically the player 2 character in the original Street Fighter and controlled identically to Ryu,

Then in, Street Fighter II, he was still very similar to Ryu but had a few differences. Later entries started to give him more and more of his own flair, alongside adding the likes of Akuma, Dan, Evil Ryu and others, each with their own quirks.

Putting it crudely, Ken is to Ryu what Luigi is to Mario.

Thanks to you both. To hit at my larger question, how might an Echo Ken Work? What is a feasible (primary) difference, outside of animations?

 

[DutchPichu]

Well, if Square Enix rep, Minecraft's Steve, Incineroar are real, what numbering order would they have? I would think:

69. Incineroar
70. Steve
71. Geno (or different Squeenix rep but I believe in Geno)