Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Shroob]

I mean no offense but you keep bringing up the 50 Fact Extravaganza in this particular subject...
But it came out after Smash 3DS.

Why on Earth would you expect any newcomers when the game was already released, DLC or not?
I just feel there's many more points you can use then this one.

Alright then.


By July of 2014 we got.... Robin and Lucina, being 1 newcomer, and 1 echo.

And by August, we got Shulk, 1 newcomer.


The difference here is:


October.


Will we get anything new? Doubt it personally, meaning that whatever's left is being saved for November.

 

[Idon]

I wouldn't take that from trailers.

People thought Bowser would be S+ in 4 before it came out.

I remember when I saw Robin's trailer.
"Wow, he has the tools to deal with any threats at any range!"
I was so hyped for that.

Nowadays, it's more "wow, he has all these tools which he'll never get to use when he gets punched in the face for being way too slow."

 

[Luigi The President]

Alright then.


By July of 2014 we got.... Robin and Lucina, being 1 newcomer, and 1 echo.

And by August, we got Shulk, 1 newcomer.


The difference here is:


October.


Will we get anything new? Doubt it personally, meaning that whatever's left is being saved for November.

There's really no way to tell if it'll be October or November.
I personally expect October. But it's useless trying to predict that one imo.

 

[Tart]

We have Ridley and K.Rool.

Isabelle is a MUCH bigger character than people give her credit for, her reveal was HUGE for the casual market.

Seriously, her presence on Twitter was insane. I saw some reaction video of a few girls freakin' the hell out over her and it had over 200k likes and a few thousand comments. That's way more than what Nintendo's official twitter gets.

 

[Zinith]

Yoshi vs. Bowser Jr. (Guess it'd be a nod or homage to Baby Bowser)

Bowser Jr. being a nod to Baby Bowser is like saying Melissa Bergman is a nod to Mother Brain.

 

[Shroob]

There's really no way to tell if it'll be October or November.
I personally expect October. But it's useless trying to predict that one imo.

Which again is kinda my point.


If we get a Direct in October, "Wow! THREE more characters!"


I think people need to remember that by now, Smash4 3DS was basically almost out, that's WHY there seems to be soo many characters in that time frame, because it was basically just a few months after E3.

 

[Luigi The President]

Jesus man...

It really is over and over with this damn box.
"Well consider the marketing and the numbers" (guilty)
"Sakurai is a troll-wait no he isn't-no he'd totally keep them secret somehow-wait no he wouldn't"
"Incineroar and Ken are it get over it-SE rep is obvious DLC-"
"Spirits can carry this game-no the characters do-"

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm starting to get why some are taking a little break from this thread until we get the news from old Vergey.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There's really no denying it though. Animal Crossing is huge in popularity. Not really surprised how many people were thrilled with Isabelle's inclusion and her popularity especially being the face of Animal Crossing nowadays. She is cute for one.

 

[Paperchampion23]

And I disagree with the mindset of "Oh, we have one more Smash Direct?! Let's expect like, 5~6 characters!"


We got.....two(3) in the 50 Fact Extravaganza, that was it.

And again...Smash 4 had the benefit of hiding 11 characters in its roster before leaks happened.

What I'm trying to get across is that these final characters may have, at one point, been the secret characters for the game, BEFORE Sakurai proposed he'd reveal them all to people.

No, I'm not saying we'll get anywhere near 11 more characters, but I think its weird to think we're only getting 2 more.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Incineroar will grab the Pokemon fans.

Ken Masters is arguably THE most iconic clone character of all time, maybe only second to Luigi.

Depending on WHO the 2nd SE rep is, it could be either HUGE, or a "Who the **** is this guy?" ordeal.


If we're only getting ONE more Direct, I think 3~ characters is actually a VERY generous number. We have 0 reason to believe yet that we're getting anything in October AT ALL when there's apparently enough junk info leftover from 8.8 for them to stretch it out until November.

We have 0 reason to believe we won’t get a Direct in October by that logic.

You can’t say there isn’t a chance. I mean you just did, but that isn’t fair when we’re only talking about how we feel.
I mean, did we go through all the junk we had in June? Because we had wayyyyyy more characters revealed then that have yet to be blogged about on their own. Why would we need to go through all the August junk if we didn’t need to go through June’s junk? We didn’t get Isabelle until September and it took precedence over August info blogs.

 

[Noipoi]

I'd say we're going round and round with this box.


But it isn't round. It's a cube.

 

[Shroob]

And again...Smash 4 had the benefit of hiding 11 characters in its roster before leaks happened.

What I'm trying to get across is that these final characters may have, at one point, been the secret characters for the game, BEFORE Sakurai proposed he'd reveal them all to people.

No, I'm not saying we'll get anywhere near 11 more characters, but I think its weird to think we're only getting 2 more.

3*

You're forgetting the SE rep that may or may not be DLC.



When Sakurai says "A few more"....frankly, I believe him.


I don't subscribe to the notion of "Oh, Sakurai's such a troll!" because look where that gets us.


Debating if Ridley's in the clouds, or if Skull Kid's in due to multi-colored chairs.



I feel like Sakurai is being 100% transparent with us this game, personally.


He WANTS the roster to be known before the game comes out due to garbage like the ESRB leak.

He's told us TWICE to temper our expectations.

Like, unless you fall back into the mindset of "Oh that troll Sakurai...."... maybe the fact that he's said to "Expect less" about two times now.... actually means to expect less.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

This is all just speculation on my part but it’s hard for me to get my head around that we have less then 3 months until this game launches and there’s still stuff we don’t know.

I’m guessing to get the new info out (which the BotD isn’t doing), we could possibly see some sort of mini Smash Direct next month followed by a larger final launch Direct, like how we saw last month, at the end of November.

Seriously, her presence on Twitter was insane. I saw some reaction video of a few girls freakin' the hell out over her and it had over 200k likes and a few thousand comments. That's way more than what Nintendo's official twitter gets.

I highly doubt what I bolded and highlighted has any factor as to why...

/sarcasm

 

[Deleted member]

Jesus man...

It really is over and over with this damn box.
"Well consider the marketing and the numbers" (guilty)
"Sakurai is a troll-wait no he isn't-no he'd totally keep them secret somehow-wait no he wouldn't"
"Incineroar and Ken are it get over it-SE rep is obvious DLC-"
"Spirits can carry this game-no the characters do-"

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm starting to get why some are taking a little break from this thread until we get the news from old Vergey.

Boxes. Boxes everywhere my friend. People going crazy about them.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Alright then.


By July of 2014 we got.... Robin and Lucina, being 1 newcomer, and 1 echo.

And by August, we got Shulk, 1 newcomer.


The difference here is:


October.


Will we get anything new? Doubt it personally, meaning that whatever's left is being saved for November.

But this is the important difference I'm trying to make to you. Smash Ultimate has a promotion cycle less than half of Smash 4's, so the spread in character reveals for 4 made sense back then. Additionally, Smash 4 had 10 secret characters! Smash Ultimate will have none by the end. Do you see where I'm going with this? Having 2 by the end does not align with Sakurai wanting to leave big surprises for the end of the promotion cycle, which he has for 3 consecutive games already. Veterans were the main surprise for previous games, along with a few shocking characters. Ultimate doesn't have that. Secret or not, a final reveal direct will surprise people, if only to prevent leaks. They would have probably been our secret characters, but they aren't now to likely preserve the surprise and prevent leaks from doing it.

3*

You're forgetting the SE rep that may or may not be DLC.



When Sakurai says "A few more"....frankly, I believe him.


I don't subscribe to the notion of "Oh, Sakurai's such a troll!" because look where that gets us.


Debating if Ridley's in the clouds, or if Skull Kid's in due to multi-colored chairs.



I feel like Sakurai is being 100% transparent with us this game, personally.


He WANTS the roster to be known before the game comes out due to garbage like the ESRB leak.

He's told us TWICE to temper our expectations.

Like, unless you fall back into the mindset of "Oh that troll Sakurai...."... maybe the fact that he's said to "Expect less" about two times now.... actually means to expect less.

Read the above.

 

[Shroob]

We have 0 reason to believe we won’t get a Direct in October by that logic.

You can’t say there isn’t a chance. I mean you just did, but that isn’t fair when we’re only talking about how we feel.
I mean, did we go through all the junk we had in June? Because we had wayyyyyy more characters revealed then that have yet to be blogged about on their own. Why would we need to go through all the August junk if we didn’t need to go through June’s junk? We didn’t get Isabelle until September and it took precedence over August info blogs.

Oh trust me.


I'd much prefer the final Smash Direct to be in October instead of November, but every time I say that, I get blasted with "You're entitled!" and **** like that.


Or maybe it's just due to wanting to see the stuff we haven't seen yet, instead of 2 month old info.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Think outside of the box

It IS the outside of the box we are focusing on, not what's in it

The label on it

 

[Shroob]

But this is the important difference I'm trying to make to you. Smash Ultimate has a promotion cycle less than half of Smash 4's, so the spread in character reveals for 4 made sense back then. Additionally, Smash 4 had 10 secret characters! Smash Ultimate will have none by the end. Do you see where I'm going with this? Having 2 by the end does not align with Sakurai wanting to leave big surprises for the end, which he has for 3 consecutive games already. Veterans were the main surprise for previous games, along with a few shocking characters. Ultimate doesn't have that. Secret or not, a final reveal direct will surprise people, if only to prevent leaks.



Read the above.

Have you considered.... maybe the big surprise at the end if Spirits Mode?



I personally feel like they front loaded the reveals this time instead of doing it the opposite way.


We got "EVERYONE IS HERE!" which was a huge deal.

We got Ridley, K.Rool and Isabelle, which were all huge deals in their own right.




I'm not going to hold this game to any prior 'patterns' of previous Smash games, because this game is special.


We've never had EVERYONE back.

We've never had almost EVERY stage back.

We've never had over 800 songs.



Like, I'm potentially looking ahead, while you're looking in the past for patterns here.

 

[Luigi The President]

Oh trust me.


I'd much prefer the final Smash Direct to be in October instead of November, but every time I say that, I get blasted with "You're entitled!" and **** like that.


Or maybe it's just due to wanting to see the stuff we haven't seen yet, instead of 2 month old info.

I honestly think some people see asking for anything this game as entitled.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Have you considered.... maybe the big surprise at the end if Spirits Mode?



I personally feel like they front loaded the reveals this time instead of doing it the opposite way.


We got "EVERYONE IS HERE!" which was a huge deal.

We got Ridley, K.Rool and Isabelle, which were all huge deals in their own right.




I'm not going to hold this game to any prior 'patterns' of previous Smash games, because this game is special.


We've never had EVERYONE back.

We've never had almost EVERY stage back.

We've never had over 800 songs.



Like, I'm potentially looking ahead, while you're looking in the past for patterns here.

Lol. I'm satisfied with the roster. The moment the first trailer played I was done. I'm merely arguing logic.

Masahiro Sakurai is a man who trolls and constantly surprises his fans. He's done this for nearly 20 years. It's not looking into the past, its practically tradition.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I think it would make sense to have a Incineroar reveal in October, possibly with a Pokémon focused direct to coincide with Let’s go coming out in November, and then a final smash direct in November with Ken as a final character reveal for base game.

 

[Shroob]

Lol. I'm satisfied with the roster. The moment the first trailer played I was done. I'm merely arguing logic.

Masahiro Sakurai is a man who trolls and constantly surprises his fans. He's done this for nearly 20 years. It's not looking into the past, its practically tradition.

"Sakurai is a troll"

And then he warns us, twice, to taper our expectations.


All I'm saying is:

IF the last 3 reveals are the Vergeben picks, I really hope you take a moment to reflect and think:


"Maybe he was telling the truth after all."

 

[Luigi The President]

I think it would make sense to have a Incineroar reveal in October, possibly with a Pokémon focused direct to coincide with Let’s go coming out in November, and then a final smash direct in November with Ken as a final character reveal for base game.

I...really don't think it'd make sense to have an Echo as your final character reveal.
We can discuss how subjectively hype he'd be all we want but he's still an Echo.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Alright then.


By July of 2014 we got.... Robin and Lucina, being 1 newcomer, and 1 echo.

And by August, we got Shulk, 1 newcomer.


The difference here is:


October.


Will we get anything new? Doubt it personally, meaning that whatever's left is being saved for November.

Isn’t the Smash console bundle with the character collage thing being shipped in early November?
And wouldn’t that collage have to be filled in by then if they wanted to actually show each character on it?

 

[Shroob]

Isn’t the Smash console bundle with the character collage thing being shipped in early November?
And wouldn’t that collage have to be filled in by then if they wanted to actually show each character on it?

No, that's when the game launches.

 

[Idon]

I...really don't think it'd make sense to have an Echo as your final character reveal.
We can discuss how subjectively hype he'd be all we want but he's still an Echo.

Here it is...

the final character...

the one you've all been waiting for...

*druuuuum roooooooll*

It's... RYU. AGAIN... but in red... and he's got fire...

 

[Luigi The President]

Here it is...

the final character...

the one you've all been waiting for...

*druuuuum roooooooll*

It's... RYU. AGAIN. but in red. and he's got fire.

Good meme but put some respeck on Ken's name lol, I know he'd definitely entice some of them FGC boys.

Still though...makes 0 sense lmao.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Here it is...

the final character...

the one you've all been waiting for...

*druuuuum roooooooll*

It's... RYU. AGAIN. but in red. and he's got fire.

With karate chop action!

 

[Nethermoosen]

No, that's when the game launches.

No, that’s the controller bundle.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Ha! I get that reference.

That only means you get to be apart of the real hype for Smash

 

[Idon]

Good meme but put some respeck on Ken's name lol, I know he'd definitely entice some of them FGC boys.

Still though...makes 0 sense lmao.

I'd put all the respect he deserves if he wasn't an echo, lol.
FGC guys only care about Ken to the extent he has his unique stuff.

 

[Shroob]

No, that’s the controller bundle.

Nooooo, the version with the Switch launches the 2nd of November.

The character collage with the steelbook comes out the 7th of December.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'd put all the respect he deserves if he wasn't an echo, lol.
FGC guys only care about Ken to the extent he has his unique stuff.

Ehh, makes sense.
...still Ken though yay

 

[Paperchampion23]

"Sakurai is a troll"

And then he warns us, twice, to taper our expectations.


All I'm saying is:

IF the last 3 reveals are the Vergeben picks, I really hope you take a moment to reflect and think:


"Maybe he was telling the truth after all."

He did the same with 4. The exact same thing. Then added 15 newcomers (17 with 2 echo fighters) and left 10 characters hidden in the game.

So no, I don't trust a single thing that comes out of his mouth unless its actual game footage.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Have you considered.... maybe the big surprise at the end if Spirits Mode?



I personally feel like they front loaded the reveals this time instead of doing it the opposite way.


We got "EVERYONE IS HERE!" which was a huge deal.

We got Ridley, K.Rool and Isabelle, which were all huge deals in their own right.




I'm not going to hold this game to any prior 'patterns' of previous Smash games, because this game is special.


We've never had EVERYONE back.

We've never had almost EVERY stage back.

We've never had over 800 songs.



Like, I'm potentially looking ahead, while you're looking in the past for patterns here.

Depending on the magnitude of the mode, Spirits could certainly be a large reveal.

What has been an increasingly popular request in the time between Sm4sh (even shortly after release) and Ultimate?

A sequel to Subspace Emissary.

Despite it's flaws, it's looked back on fondly by many fans. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I wouldn't be surprised if casual and hardcore fans alike have expressed a lot of interest in it, be it on Twitter, 4chan, fan forums, etc. I don't know what the Japanese thought of SSE, but if it's anything like how it's regarded here, I'd say that Sakurai and the team are well aware of the demand.

A large story mode in a game of this caliber would be huge, especially if it was the last reveal. No single character could beat that out in terms of sheer hype inducement within the community and at large.

Spirits being a sequel/successor to SSE is one of the only reveals that could match "Everyone is Here!" and part of me feels like Sakurai and his team are currently banking on that.

My prediction: The final Smash Direct will take place somewhere between mid-October to mid-November. It will contain our remaining characters (Incineroar, Ken, maybe another echo and the SE character), expand on single player modes, stage builder, etc., reveal Spirits mode in all of it's glory, and end with the reveal of DLC (this might be the SE character assuming box theory is true)

 

[Shroob]

He did the same with 4. The exact same thing. Then added 15 newcomers (17 with 2 echo fighters) and left 10 characters hidden in the game.

So no, I don't trust a single think that comes out of his mouth unless its actual game footage.

Then don't be surprised if it comes to pass.


Even if Box is wrong and the 2nd SE rep is base, that's 12 characters, the same amount as the original game had.


With how much emphasis the OG 8/12 are having on this game, it would not shock me at all if there are 12 newcomers this game.

 

[Zinith]

For the record, I DO have the Box Theory in consideration.

But it doesn't mean that I base all my expectations and predictions on it from here on out. It is THEORY, not fact

 

[Paperchampion23]

Then don't be surprised if it comes to pass.


Even if Box is wrong and the 2nd SE rep is base, that's 12 characters, the same amount as the original game had.


With how much emphasis the OG 8/12 are having on this game, it would not shock me at all if there are 12 newcomers this game.

I'm not, pretty sure I already said I'm totally cool with the roster. I'll definitely belly up if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, especially since Sakurai has always revealed more content in the end. Always

And aren't you putting stock in a pattern lol? Calling 12 newcomers as a result of the original 64 roster is pretty "attached to the past" and not the future lol.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Nooooo, the version with the Switch launches the 2nd of November.

The character collage with the steelbook comes out the 7th of December.

I mean this.
Edit: I thought this included the Switch console. That’s my bad.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

You know, I was thinking about this and I jested about it before but, what if the box does ship like that? Like, what if that's just how the box looks?

Now I'm fully confident they're going to add Isabelle onto there, I mean that's kind of obvious, but what if that's all the box gets? It seems ridiculous but what if that's the box? It would leave one blank space on both sides and that seems just as plausible to me as having two characters fill out those spots.

I dunno. The Box theory is kind of boring to me because of its attention to something so small that to a lot of people spells out the grand finale in such a disappointing way. We'll see where the theory goes but I'm staying incredibly neutral on it but I will say that I think there are a few people who believe thus thing TOO much. To the point that any other points brought up against the box are shot down immediately because, well, box. Whatever, though, either way speculation isn't as fun as it was. I'm ready for DLC more than ever.