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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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This is why I'm out of speculation for now, it's both damn hilarious and damn sad that this silly little -BOX- has driven most speculation in a corner. It's practically inescapable until we definitively get more than 2 more characters.

On one hand, it's a shame you guys are inevitably stuck going back and forth debating whether Ken and Incineroar are the final characters for another few hundred pages (or whenever the next Direct drops). On the other, I gotta hand it to Nintendo if they threw us for this hard of a loop just by designing their product in such a way.

Either way, I must return to my prison on the dark side of -THE BOX-. Hopefully, I'm freed soon and can talk about characters without prefacing with 'man I hope for DLC we get-', I don't like doing that before release.
By all means, continue speculating if you feel like it. I speak about the box when it comes up. Mostly to keep everyone up to date who doesn’t know about it and to try and keep it objective as possible.

I will never shoot you down for speculating as usual. This is a theory and it will remain so for the time being. Just like Vergs statements. He has a lot backing him now, but it doesn’t mean he can’t ever be wrong. Patterns are evidence and it’s reason to keep them in mind, but they are a far cry from universal or natural law.

Don’t let debates keep you down, me hearty.
 

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So am I the only one who's...

...kinda paranoid of Smash DLC for a really dumb reason?

What if in 15 years the Switch servers go offline...will the DLC go away?
And if that isn't the case, if I lost my Smash Bros and Switch and had to get new ones...how would I ever get that DLC again?
Super dumb and uninformed but that's just me.


Uhm...where did you get that 3/4 sources said the SE rep is wrong?
Verge assured us his source on the SE rep "doesn't have a habit of being wrong" and the fact he even came out about it implies a great deal of trust.
See, I’ll be over 30 and some poor child out there may call me “Dad” by that point, which I’m way more paranoid about than a few extra fighters in a video game I will probably forget about by then. I think your post is funny but realistically you shouldn’t worry about it.

Edit: In order to stay on topic: DEATH TO THE BOX THEORY!
 
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See, I’ll be over 30 and some poor child out there may call me “Dad” by that point, which I’m way more paranoid about then a few extra fighters in a video game I will probably forget about by then. I think your post is funny but realistically you shouldn’t worry about it.
I'm probably gonna be raising my hypothetical kids on Final Destination 1v1's myself, and if Geno's in, then that'll be their uncle I suppose.
Yeah, I really shouldn't worry! But that's what I do :")
 

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If the box ends up killing Smash speculation in its tracks, maybe it's a lesson to be learned by Nintendo to not do that again. I'll even write a letter...

"Dear Nintendo,

Your fans scrutinize EVERY WORD, MOVE AND THOUGHT YOU TAKE!!! Don't pull bull**** like that again!!!

Sincerely, the Yoshi nut"
I don't think speculation being dead is a bad thing for Nintendo.
 

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No more boxes guys. We gotta package our games in pyramids and spheres to get by. Maybe even cylinders.
 

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What if in 15 years the Switch servers go offline...will the DLC go away?
And if that isn't the case, if I lost my Smash Bros and Switch and had to get new ones...how would I ever get that DLC again?
Super dumb and uninformed but that's just me.
By that point, I think they would've
1. Made an "Ultimate" edition that has all DLC on disc already.
2. Switch emulation has become good enough to handle Smash Ultimate.
 

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Holy crap. I nearly had a heart attack. I didn't there was a rule against that. XD. I almost screwed myself over. I've should've just gone with a damn quote instead.
Eh, it's just a warning/infraction at worst. The fact you caught it and now understand the issue is actually the most important part.

You should probably read the Rules anyway. :)
 

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As grim as it is for me to say, all things come to an end.


We're only 79 days until the game launches. 79! That's just barely over 2 months away!




Let's not kid ourselves. This same **** happened with Smash 4, just the majority of us didn't know of it, or we didn't want to believe it.


Ninka/Rose happened in what, June of 2014? An entire 3-4 months before Smash4 even came out, and everything about that was true.



Smash speculation is fun, I love it, it's my favorite part of the wait.


But as time draws closer to the launch, stuff like this is just inevitable.


There's a time where you need to learn to just....let go. Nothing lasts forever, and really, that's why things are beautiful, because of their fleeting moments.



Okay enough grimdark sappiness.
 

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By that point, I think they would've
1. Made an "Ultimate" edition that has all DLC on disc already.
2. Switch emulation has become good enough to handle Smash Ultimate.
2025: Holy **** guys are you ready for Smash Ultimate Ultimate Edition?
 

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I mean, I enjoy speculating as much as the next guy but...

I do think some of you put too much value in speculating.

It sets you up for all sorts of disappointments.
 

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One year from now, i'll be sitting in my chair, gushing over new Pokemon and Animal Crossing trailers, buying the new dlc fighters, playing some Smash bros.
And randomly, i'll think back to a year before and i'll laugh.
I'll laugh at the fact that a box single-handedly killed normal speculation in this thread.

It's annoying now but trust me, you'll laugh too.
 
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One year from now, i'll be sitting in my chair, gushing over new Pokemon and Animal Crossing trailers, buying the new dlc fighters, playing some Smash bros.
And randomly, i'll think back to a year before and i'll laugh.
I'll laugh at the fact that a box single-handedly killed normal speculation in this thread.

It's annoying now but trust me, you'll laugh too.
I'm laughing right now, man. lol.
 
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One thing I wanted to point out regarding the box theory.

People think Nintendo wouldn't let the number of characters slip like this, despite the fact that they already let the name of the new mode "Spirits" slip.
Also if I recall correctly they've apparently already let something similar happen with the box of another game
 

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I've said this before, but...it's just kinda damn saddening that speculation may really go out like this.

Due to a godforsaken box we saw for like 5 seconds.

The Ultimate of everything...except, well, speculation.
But then December 7th comes around and we'll be too busy trying to unlock 70 characters to notice.
 

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One year from now, i'll be sitting in my chair, gushing over new Pokemon and Animal Crossing trailers, buying the new dlc fighters, playing some Smash bros.
And randomly, i'll think back to a year before and i'll laugh.
I'll laugh at the fact that a box single-handedly killed normal speculation in this thread.

It's annoying now but trust me, you'll laugh too.
I'll be laughing at the fact that Nintendo themselves leaked info on a Smash character not once, but twice within less than a MONTH of each other.
 

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I mean, I enjoy speculating as much as the next guy but...

I do think some of you put too much value in speculating.

It sets you up for all sorts of disappointments.
I dunno. K. Rool was worth the disappointments just to get him now. And if it didn’t happen, I wouldn’t be surprised and it would have been another generation of Smash as usual.

The disappointment always washes away once I get my hands on the new Smash.
 

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As grim as it is for me to say, all things come to an end.


We're only 79 days until the game launches. 79! That's just barely over 2 months away!




Let's not kid ourselves. This same **** happened with Smash 4, just the majority of us didn't know of it, or we didn't want to believe it.


Ninka/Rose happened in what, June of 2014? An entire 3-4 months before Smash4 even came out, and everything about that was true.



Smash speculation is fun, I love it, it's my favorite part of the wait.


But as time draws closer to the launch, stuff like this is just inevitable.


There's a time where you need to learn to just....let go. Nothing lasts forever, and really, that's why things are beautiful, because of their fleeting moments.



Okay enough grimdark sappiness.
DLC bro.
 

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I dunno. K. Rool was worth the disappointments just to get him now. And if it didn’t happen, I wouldn’t be surprised and it would have been another generation of Smash as usual.

The disappointment always washes away once I get my hands on the new Smash.
My disappointment isn't aimed at the character choices.

It's at the people who are disappointed in the "speculation period."
 

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The chair speculation feels like so long ago despite the fact it’s only been a month.

So much can happen and change in such little time. It scares me
 
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Of course.

I'm just not sad about regular speculation potentially coming to an end.



Like, maybe it's just me, but I was sold day 1 as soon as I saw "EVERYONE IS HERE!" followed by RIDLEY being in the game, and I was sky high the next time with Simon and BLOODY K.ROOL.




Sakurai said not to expect a lot more, and for what it's worth, the little bit we got was damn good, I can't find a single flaw.
 

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The chair speculation feels like so long ago despite the fact it’s only been a month.

So much can happen and change in such little time. It scares me
Don't worry we can laugh about it, if Incineroar is in with a chair attack, and he can hit Snake taunting in his box over the head.
 

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My disappointment isn't aimed at the character choices.

It's at the people who are disappointed in the "speculation period."
Why wouldn’t they be, though? Aren’t you? Despite your apprehension to speculation, aren’t you disappointed if this becomes true?

Otherwise, why are you here?

We come for speculation and to figure things out. That’s what is happening. This thing we’re disappointed in? It’s the exact type of stuff I came here to be a part of. Leaks. Info. The scoop and people to share and discuss it with.

The box thing....has been fun for me. Just getting to debate and try to puzzle things out with all of you has been an honor.

You’re a decent bunch of folks, guys.
 
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Of course.

I'm just not sad about regular speculation potentially coming to an end.



Like, maybe it's just me, but I was sold day 1 as soon as I saw "EVERYONE IS HERE!" followed by RIDLEY being in the game, and I was sky high the next time with Simon and BLOODY K.ROOL.




Sakurai said not to expect a lot more, and for what it's worth, the little bit we got was damn good, I can't find a single flaw.
Oh, you feel satisfied since June 12, 2018? I pretty much feel the same...

But not everyone does though
 

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Don't worry we can laugh about it, if Incineroar is in with a chair attack, and he can hit Snake taunting in his box over the head.
Oh God, I just imagine someone getting really upset and fight snake with Incineroar just hitting him with chairs until the end of time.
EDIT: Snake does not deserve this!
 
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As grim as it is for me to say, all things come to an end.


We're only 79 days until the game launches. 79! That's just barely over 2 months away!




Let's not kid ourselves. This same **** happened with Smash 4, just the majority of us didn't know of it, or we didn't want to believe it.


Ninka/Rose happened in what, June of 2014? An entire 3-4 months before Smash4 even came out, and everything about that was true.



Smash speculation is fun, I love it, it's my favorite part of the wait.


But as time draws closer to the launch, stuff like this is just inevitable.


There's a time where you need to learn to just....let go. Nothing lasts forever, and really, that's why things are beautiful, because of their fleeting moments.



Okay enough grimdark sappiness.


The thing is, is a final direct with Sakurai only going to reveal 2 characters? After revealing 5 previously? This isn't about hype reveals not being saved for the end (which is entirely subjective to the smash player, I know because I was super excited for Shulk), but rather the number of characters that have left to be revealed.


Think about it this way:


Yes, Melee, Brawl, and 4 all had secret characters. I won't count melee in this because it was before blogging was even a thing, but look at Brawl and 4, each had 3-6 characters (new characters mind you, these don't even include returning that were in fact secret) unknown to be in the game until at most a month before the game was released.

Fast forward to Ultimate. Secret characters seemingly won't exist anymore, but who's to say that Sakurai can't unload 6 more characters in the final direct in instead of keeping them secret? If he's already done this before, why reveal 5 characters at once in August?

That to me, regardless of how hype possible future characters might be, says there's definitely more than Ken and Incineroar. Every other smash game HAS revealed more in the end. And I'm talking about the last month or two, which we are nearing VERY soon. This is the most important thing we need to understand.

Edit: And just to add to this, while Ultimate doesn't have to worry about Veterans, Brawl and 4 did. Smash 4 hid a whopping 11 characters including veterans revealed through leaks or at release of the game. And as I recall, Brawl hid 12 and only revealed them the same way.

1537248273263.png


A mix of new and veteran fighters.
 
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Why wouldn’t they be, though? Aren’t you? Despite your apprehension to speculation, aren’t you disappointed if this becomes true?

Otherwise, why are you here?

We come for speculation and to figure things out. That’s what is happening. This thing we’re disappointed in? It’s the exact type of stuff I came here to be a part of. Leaks. Info. The scoop and people to share and discuss it with.

The box thing....has been fun for me. Just getting to debate and try to puzzle things out with all of you has been an honor.

You’re a decent bunch of folks, guys.
I'm not saying don't have fun with it.

I'm just saying that people need to accept that things have endings.

People want to be in the magical land of "what if" scenarios. Those are really fun and I like to think about them all the time, but it bugs me that people complain they can't be in those kinds of mindsets when we have clear answers.
 

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The box theory just reminds me of people trying to find clues from Smash websites.

"But they deliberately designed it that way!"

And they can also deliberately change it. What I think some box theorists don't understand is that you can't divide 69 by 2. That box was always going to have empty spots no matter what with that style. This is probably a mock-up and mock-ups almost always change. The person who designed this probably just went with what was most proportional with the current roster. If Sakurai makes the announcer say fake characters' names too keep the roster secret I doubt he's going to tell some NOA box designer closely guarded secrets.
 

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What do you guys think of this suppose leak?


Could be legit but I'm personally 50/50 keeping expectations low but at the same time seems like it might be true being Ultimate is meant to go all out in terms of fan service.

We'll see...
 

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As grim as it is for me to say, all things come to an end.


We're only 79 days until the game launches. 79! That's just barely over 2 months away!




Let's not kid ourselves. This same **** happened with Smash 4, just the majority of us didn't know of it, or we didn't want to believe it.


Ninka/Rose happened in what, June of 2014? An entire 3-4 months before Smash4 even came out, and everything about that was true.



Smash speculation is fun, I love it, it's my favorite part of the wait.


But as time draws closer to the launch, stuff like this is just inevitable.


There's a time where you need to learn to just....let go. Nothing lasts forever, and really, that's why things are beautiful, because of their fleeting moments.



Okay enough grimdark sappiness.
Are we uh... still talking about Smash?

Jokes aside, I agree. People should keep their expectations in check just in case this turns out to be true. Speculation ending early sucks but it was only a matter of time.

On the bright side, it'll start up again soon with DLC BABY!
 

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By all means, continue speculating if you feel like it. I speak about the box when it comes up. Mostly to keep everyone up to date who doesn’t know about it and to try and keep it objective as possible.

I will never shoot you down for speculating as usual. This is a theory and it will remain so for the time being. Just like Vergs statements. He has a lot backing him now, but it doesn’t mean he can’t ever be wrong. Patterns are evidence and it’s reason to keep them in mind, but they are a far cry from universal or natural law.

Don’t let debates keep you down, me hearty.
As grim as it is for me to say, all things come to an end.


We're only 79 days until the game launches. 79! That's just barely over 2 months away!




Let's not kid ourselves. This same **** happened with Smash 4, just the majority of us didn't know of it, or we didn't want to believe it.


Ninka/Rose happened in what, June of 2014? An entire 3-4 months before Smash4 even came out, and everything about that was true.



Smash speculation is fun, I love it, it's my favorite part of the wait.


But as time draws closer to the launch, stuff like this is just inevitable.


There's a time where you need to learn to just....let go. Nothing lasts forever, and really, that's why things are beautiful, because of their fleeting moments.



Okay enough grimdark sappiness.
It's really chill, accepting mindsets like these that make me like this board. Most of you guys are pretty alright, and this is definitely the best discussion climate I've seen basically anywhere (when memes don't get out of hand).

I've already divulged most of the last of what I had to offer speculation-wise, I'd be shocked if Shadow weren't in and I'd like for the fab 5 to make it for their fans' sakes (and because I do like Bandana Dee). I don't really have much to say beyond that, but when ~50% of the board is consumed by -BOX THEORY- for who knows how long I don't feel like the little I have to say will even resonate much.

I'll still be browsing for if any interesting discussion comes up, or if I feel an intense urge to tell somebody to chill out. I do still like it here, just don't have much to say I think would matter for now.
 

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The thing is, is a final direct with Sakurai only going to reveal 2 characters? After revealing 5 previously? This isn't about hype reveals not being saved for the end (which is entirely subjective to the smash player, I know because I was super excited for Shulk), but rather the number of characters that have left to be revealed.


Think about it this way:


Yes, Melee, Brawl, and 4 all had secret characters. I won't count melee in this because it was before blogging was even a thing, but look at Brawl and 4, each had 3-6 characters (new characters mind you, these don't even include returning that were in fact secret) unknown to be in the game until at most a month before the game was released.

Fast forward to Ultimate. Secret characters seemingly won't exist anymore, but who's to say that Sakurai can't unload 6 more characters in the final direct in instead of keeping them secret? If he's already done this before, why reveal 5 characters at once in August?

That to me, regardless of how hype possible future characters might be, says there's definitely more than Ken and Incineroar. Every other smash game HAS revealed more in the end. And I'm talking about the last month or two, which we are nearing VERY soon. This is the most important thing we need to understand.
Actually technically speaking, judging just by this graph you've posted, Smash 4 ended on about two characters, and the DLC period also ended on two characters.
 
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