Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mc.Rad]

Even if the box theory doesn't hold; there's still probably only 2-3 characters left to be revealed anyway. Ken and Incineroar is still very likely to be in.

I still say that the final count is 75, it would be a nice number to round out the roster with and I honestly think that it would make everybody happy.

 

[Heracr055]

To clarify since a few of you are asking:

An example of a playable character that isn't major would be Toad in the New Super Mario Bros Series

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

To clarify since a few of you are asking:

An example of a playable character that isn't major would be Toad in the New Super Mario Bros Series

Toad is a major character of the Mario series

 

[Glaciacott]

Everyone is all "good for incineroar, decidueye had his chance in Pokken"

Meanwhile Primarina gets nothing T-T

 

[AnOkayDM]

To clarify since a few of you are asking:

An example of a playable character that isn't major would be Toad in the New Super Mario Bros Series

Toad has been around since literally the first Mario game. I'd qualify him as major too!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Toad is a major character of the Mario series

While true, to be clear, that's just a member of the Toad species but not the original Toad from 2 USA.

So it's not a perfect example. A better case would be how Rosalina, who was recently created/appeared, appeared in Mario Kart Wii and Super Mario 3D World.

 

[Jetsurge]

B-But the boxart theory, a-and the fact that Verge hasn't been wrong yet, it's making me nervous.

He has been wrong. Literally a day before K. Rool he said there was no DK newcomers.

 

[Starbound]

Playable doesn't qualify as major?

So is Yellow Toad major?

Or can I expect Nabbit in Smash now?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Three frame jumps deconfirmed Primarina anyway. I can't imagine that body jumping that quickly.

 

[AndreaAC]

Pong is killable lmao

YOU CAN KILL PONG pic.twitter.com/WrnulrONdc

— wehngo (@wehngo_smacks) September 16, 2018

Rids just became Pong's worst nightmare.

xD I couldn't resist.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So, what you're telling me, is that, they're not gonna be Echoes
TMNT baby please enough

Yes...and No (it would depend on how Sakurai)

They might not be big enough to be unique, so being an echo(es) duo of the likes of ...I could ruin any character and/or perfect them enough to make them low tier characters

I can stop and have enough though if you want...but only because
CrusherMania1592

Spoiler

 

[Danpal65]

Three frame jumps deconfirmed Primarina anyway. I can't imagine that body jumping that quickly.

That's certainly a new one to use to deconfirm a character.

 

[MainJPW]

Isn't some of the Sonic music copyright really weird? I know there's the Michael Jackson stuff in Sonic 3, but is that all?

There was an issue with using music written by Masato Nakamura (wrote the music for Sonic 1&2) for Sonic 3 and Sonic Spinball because Dreams Come True owns the rights and not Sega. Probably the reason why all music from Sonic 1&2 besides Green Hill Zone were removed in Smash For.

There’s a thread on Sonic Retro about Sega music copyright and how they basically don’t own the rights to certain Sonic music.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He has been wrong. Literally a day before K. Rool he said there was no DK newcomers.

He didn't say that. That was a privetely leaked message to verg that only one of his sources said.

He probably has sources that tell him wrong info a lot, but if he doesn't report on them we'd never know.

We wouldn't know about the K Rool thing if it wasn't for Loz leaking the private message.

 

[Majora's Visage]

I'm predicting that if we do get a Pokemon SuMo remix, It'll be remixed by Hideki Naganuma.

There was a Sun and Moon battle theme remix when they were presenting the Pokeball Pokemon on E3. Wonder if they will showcase that?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He has been wrong. Literally a day before K. Rool he said there was no DK newcomers.

No, he got random information that didn't match up. He never believed in that. He has no confidence in that idea. Don't spread out misinformation, man.

 

[AnOkayDM]

So is Yellow Toad major?

Or can I expect Nabbit in Smash now?

Toad is major. Nabbit is a fair point, but Bandana Dee and Toad have both been around for a lot longer than he has.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I will also go out on a hunch and say there's only one more Smash direct before launch considering they have revealed a crap ton about the game already with really only spirits and possibly the online only being the real things to touch upon. This box theory seems very credible because even if we know the number; Nintendo wouldn't expect the game to be leaked due to being very secretive of Smash 5. In an alternative timeline we know there's only 2 more left for the base game but would not know who.

Sakurai is also adamantly against pre-launch DLC calling it not only a Scam but an epidemic in the industry. We not going to see DLC for some months is my guess as well.

 

[Darkraid]

For DLC i would want nintendo to bump up ATs into playable and also mii costumes into playables.

We already have rool, chrom, isabelle being promoted.

Also i can probably see those that are nowhere in sight like skull kid, shadow, isaac being placed in dlc.

I think sakurai is saving a lot of chars for dlc

 

[Heracr055]

Yes, Toad is a major character. I meant he's minor as in for potential for Smash.

 

[YoshiandToad]

So is Yellow Toad major?

Or can I expect Nabbit in Smash now?

More so than Waluigi I guess.

Still not sure why they didn't just change yellow Toad to regular Toad or keep Blue Toad at least to match 3D World and SMB2's blue design. Very weird.

 

[RileyXY1]

I will also go out on a hunch and day there's only one more Smash direct before launch considering they have revealed a crap ton about the game already with really only spirits and possibly the online only being the real things to touch upon. This box theory seems very credible because even if we know the number; Nintendo wouldn't expect the game to be leaked due to being very secretive of Smash 5. In an alternative timeline we know there's only 2 more left for the base game but would not know who.

Sakurai is also adamantly against pre-launch DLC calling it not only a Scam but an epidemic in the industry. We not going to see DLC for some months is my guess as well.

There's also the various single player modes. At the moment we only know about Classic and Training mode.

 

[Deleted member]

There was an issue with using music written by Masato Nakamura (wrote the music for Sonic 1&2) for Sonic 3 and Sonic Spinball because Dreams Come True owns the rights and not Sega. Probably the reason why all music from Sonic 1&2 besides Green Hill Zone were removed in Smash For.

There’s a thread on Sonic Retro about Sega music copyright and how they basically don’t own the rights to certain Sonic music.

Ah, so it's a similar situation to what may be going on with Final Fantasy VII? Good to know.

 

[Potato_]

The one thing you can say Verge was wrong on IN REGARDS TO SMASH was Isabelle being an echo. He said one of his sources told him she was, and that was due to the large similarities in her moves to Villager. She just assumed that Isabelle was an echo from that. His other sources never clarified on whether she was an echo or not.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So is Yellow Toad major?

Or can I expect Nabbit in Smash now?

Only Blue Toad is major...but they keep trying to make Yellow Toad be loved more

 

[Starbound]

Toad is major. Nabbit is a fair point, but Bandana Dee and Toad have both been around for a lot longer than he has.

But if playable is a major role, then that means Nabbit is a major character, yes? So if we're getting Bandana Dee, we can probably anticipate Nabbit in the near future, yes?

And Yellow Toad isn't the Toad.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

MThis is not a Social thread, and never was.

Can't y'all just make one for this place as opposed to the regular Social thread that you linked? Just a suggestion

You guys really need to lower your expectations.

It never happens when Smash is brought up fam

It. Never. Happens.

I reminded people the previous Direct was about NINTENDO, not just ****ing SMASH and people were salty that night.

To clarify since a few of you are asking:

An example of a playable character that isn't major would be Toad in the New Super Mario Bros Series

Um...Toad IS a major character in the Mario sereis

If you want a character that isn't major, that would be Toadette right now (even though she's technically starting to rise up to major characters)

 

[Nethermoosen]

I will also go out on a hunch and day there's only one more Smash direct before launch considering they have revealed a crap ton about the game already with really only spirits and possibly the online only being the real things to touch upon. This box theory seems very credible because even if we know the number; Nintendo wouldn't expect the game to be leaked due to being very secretive of Smash 5. In an alternative timeline we know there's only 2 more left for the base game but would not know who.

Sakurai is also adamantly against pre-launch DLC calling it not only a Scam but an epidemic in the industry. We not going to see DLC for some months is my guess as well.

But Sakurai did reveal Mewtwo before the game even launched last time. The info for a DLC character could be around since they would either be planning or already developing by this point.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Toad is just a Waddle dee with a bandana who is just a Goomba with a hat

 

[LetterO]

The smash4 50 fact was not packed with characters.

That's because Smash 3DS was already out by that time, so we already basically knew all the characters.

 

[MainJPW]

Only Blue Toad is major...but they keep trying to make Yellow Toad be loved more

They didn’t have to do Blue Toad like that.

 

[Shroob]

He has been wrong. Literally a day before K. Rool he said there was no DK newcomers.

Trying to triple check with someone you assume to also be legit =/= wrong.


Verg believed like we all did that Loz18 was legit, and wanted his opinion on a 'leak' he had received that he didn't even believe himself.


If it weren't for Loz18 being an asshole, we wouldn't have even known about that.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

But Sakurai did reveal Mewtwo before the game even launched last time. The info for a DLC character could be around since they would either be planning or already developing by this point.

Incorrect; the 3ds version already launched.

 

[AnOkayDM]

But if playable is a major role, then that means Nabbit is a major character, yes? So if we're getting Bandana Dee, we can probably anticipate Nabbit in the near future, yes?

And Yellow Toad isn't the Toad.

All right, all right, you win. There's no need to be pedantic.

 

[Captain Fun]

They didn’t have to do Blue Toad like that.

It sucks too because if Blue Toad is gone, there's no way to have a 4 player game with 4 characters that have the same abilities.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Just out of curiosity:

1) What is your fav console?
2) What system had your fav library of games?

1. The Wii. Whenever I Look at a Wii, I think of one of the greatest Console Generations of all time. And in my opinion, The Wii was the best of the that generation in terms of games. (Though the 360 is a really good second.) The Wii also made me a fan of a certain company called Nintendo and Introduced me to the Franchise that is Super Smash Bros.
2. Wii:
Wii Sports: A contender for one of the greatest Launch titles of all time
Super Mario Strikers Charged: I don't like Soccer, but let me tell ya, I love this game
Super Mario Galaxy: One of The Greatest Mario Games of all Time
Super Smash Bros Brawl: This is the game that got me into Smash Bros and introduced me to some amazing Franchises
Mario Kart Wii: Still to this day, the best Mario Kart
Rhythm Heaven Fever: Introduced me to one of the most underrated and fun Nintendo Franchises.

 

[Zinith]

Are we going down the weird rabbit hole that is Peachette?

 

[RandomAce]

If any of you guys still have problems with Incineroar, just think of the memes!

Take for example, this lovely image I found. Text provided by a hilarious anon.

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You know they say that all Smashers are trained equal, but you look at me and you look at Geno and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another Smasher, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Hat Goomba to the mix, your chances of winning drastically go down. See the 3 way, at December 7th, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Hat Goomba KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!

So Geno, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got a 8 1/3 chance of winning at Ultimate. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Ultimate. See Geno, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you on December 7th.

Spoiler: the video this is referencing

I want to make a meme out of this but using a different set of characters. Let’s if I can work on it.

Sooo... anything new?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Toad is just a Waddle dee with a bandana who is just a Goomba with a hat

Ain't nothing wrong with Goombas in hats.

Sometimes Toads are also Toads in hats and Bandanas.

Undeniable proof that Captain Toad is indeed king of the species wearing fashionable accessories squad.

 

[Luigi The President]

He has been wrong. Literally a day before K. Rool he said there was no DK newcomers.

No. Big false. He said a source that he DOUBTED said this. We only found out about this due to Loz leaking their PM's too.