Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Crap-Zapper]

Who do you guys think will be the WTF?! Character this time around???

Melee has Game & Watch

Brawl had R.O.B

And Wii U/3DS had Wii Fit Trainer.

Probobly Diskun.

 

[LancerStaff]

lmao
Cut your bull****, people want to play as their favourite characters. Most people don't give a **** about competitive viability.

He can also look at the fact that every character has fans and he doesn't want to upset them. The truth is every character has a fan. Making a veteran a costume of someone else is a disservice to the character and their fans.

You know what’s nice? Being able to play the character and not be at a blatant statistical advantage. That’s the opposite of a disservice. Quit deciding things for the rest of us.

Worse how? Competitively she's better than Marth in most aspects. But I won't elaborate because it's supposed to be a secret.

Memes or no, it’s not healthy to have characters to be so ridiculously similar.

Uniqueness is subjective. Your definition of uniqueness varies from mine.

I’d say that what Sakurai makes is overwhelmingly unique in my eyes. The exceptions he also happens to clearly mark.

Take that as you will.

Usage rates? where? how do you know about this? i'm curious to know which DLC flopped the most.

Mostly tournament results and stuff like that. Obviously there’s some amount of trickle down to more casual play, considering the massive buffs all three got. But the game collects data and sends it to Nintendo, so Sakurai can look at his more in depth data. Sakurai has made it quite evident he cares deeply about this feedback.

In my experience casuals overwhelmingly think the clones are just worse, and while casuals might be simple they’re not stupid. If one hears that one is better than the other they’re naturally going to prefer the stronger one. Even to casuals winning is important.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Who do you guys think will be the WTF?! Character this time around???

Melee has Game & Watch

Brawl had R.O.B

And Wii U/3DS had Wii Fit Trainer.

I don't particularly care which characters wind up getting added at the end of the day.

But if the WTF character is Labo, it will take an awful lot of willpower for me to not blow a gasket.

 

[Ura]

Who do you guys think will be the WTF?! Character this time around???

Melee has Game & Watch

Brawl had R.O.B

And Wii U/3DS had Wii Fit Trainer.

Labo

You heard it from Ura™ first

I don't particularly care which characters wind up getting added at the end of the day.

But if the WTF character is Labo, it will take an awful lot of willpower for me to not blow a gasket.

Well second now because of Bradli Wartooth lol.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Probobly Diskun.

It's worth noting he appeared in his own game where he could move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7tmoJKVXs

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Labo

You heard it from @Ura™ first

Well second now because of Bradli Wartooth lol.

Labo is the only thing with potential that I genuinely do not want as a playable character lol.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

How about Dragon King?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Pauline.

Probobly Diskun.

Labo

You heard it from Ura™ first

Well second now because of Bradli Wartooth lol.

Pauline would be interesting. I don’t quite know what her moveset would be.

I don’t know who Diskun is. I’m sorry.

And I agree with Labo being the WTF character. Labo-Bot to be specific.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Labo is the only thing with potential that I genuinely do not want as a playable character lol.

Everytime something is revealed by Nintendo, everyone thinks they're hot to the presses with "it's gonna be a character in Smash"

I jokingly trolled my friend by saying "Yeah, Labo for Super Smash Bros. Everyone knows ROB wasn't a video game character."

But, I underestimated how low people will actually go, because it was all over this forum. FOR REAL.

 

[N3ON]

LancerStaff
You do realize how small the percentage of people who play Smash at the level where tiers are relevant is, yes? For most people, getting familiar with any character will give you a fighting chance with people around your skill level.

 

[Substitution]

man **** people who find ideas interesting to talk about
truly this website has gone to the dogs. look how low we've gotten

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Pauline would be interesting. I don’t quite know what her moveset would be.

I don’t know who Diskun is. I’m sorry.

And I agree with Labo being the WTF character. Labo-Bot to be specific.

Son, if you ever want to consider yourself a Nintendo fan, then search up Diskun. It's a very important mascot of Nintendo's history.

 

[Lord-Zero]

Those are literally the only two things I want. Mostly because Chrom would mean Lucina could be a clone of him instead. And with the Legend of Zelda series more or less stagnating since Melee, it would be nice to actually have Ganon with a Legend of Zelda move-set. Either that, or give him a racing car for his final smash at least.

Considering how Smash made him into a joke character of sorts, that could actually work in his favor here with a rather unique moveset. Heck, take inspiration from FEH and TMS and have him swing the Carrot Axe around and have him smack opponents with Sack ‘o Gifts or throw said gifts instead or lightning attacks, pick a microphone and do Back Chorus or any of Itsuki’s specials.

Out of the Zelda cast, Ganondorf is the one in dire need of a complete overhaul.

 

[Arcadenik]

Who do you guys think will be the WTF?! Character this time around???

Hmmm...

Melee =
Brawl =
SSB4 =

If we are still going with NES peripherals, then the Power Pad rep Track Meet from the NES game World Class Track Meet.

If we are still going with iconic Nintendo characters, then there's nothing more WTF-y than a non-video game character like the Game Master himself, Captain N.

Why not both?!

 

[N3ON]

Son, if you ever want to consider yourself a Nintendo fan, then search up Diskun. It's a very important mascot of Nintendo's history.

But not really though.

His greatest claim to fame is probably his trophy being the absolute ****ing worst to get.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

man **** people who find ideas interesting to talk about
truly this website has gone to the dogs. look how low we've gotten

I don't think it's interesting. I think it's desperate and unoriginal. Everyone's got an opinion.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

That's where Doshin comes in.

Well the Duck Hunt ducks had a trophy in Melee so the possibility is there.

 

[Substitution]

You know I never got this whole "if you don't know x you're not a real y fan".
It's not like there's an exam to be a fan of something. I'm a fan of a lot of things, and I don't know everything about them.

Nor was I ever chastised because I didn't know the hot Diskun trivia.

 

[Lord-Zero]

“WTF character”?

Hmm, tricky one. I’d like to say Pauline but that one wouldn’t be too much of a surprise thanks to Odyssey. I’d go with Chrom this time. That one is meme gold mine if he does make it by the sheer power of memes.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if we got someone like WoL, Cecil, Bartz or Kain.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

You know... there's one person you guys have yet to consider as a WTF character on the roster.
And that person is...
[Insert obligatroy Take That! here]

Spoiler: Have a Look

 

[PsychoJosh]

Son, if you ever want to consider yourself a Nintendo fan, then search up Diskun. It's a very important mascot of Nintendo's history.

Honestly, if you have to look him up, there's a good chance he won't be in the game outside of a cameo. The west won't have any clue who he is.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I would consider a reinvented Diskun (inspired by Starfy) as one of my top requests.

Honestly, if you have to look him up, there's a good chance he won't be in the game outside of a cameo. The west won't have any clue who he is.

That's the best part.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

You know I never got this whole "if you don't know x you're not a real y fan".
It's not like there's an exam to be a fan of something. I'm a fan of a lot of things, and I don't know everything about them.

Nor was I ever chastised because I didn't know the hot Diskun trivia.

lol

It was not intended to be, if you do not know that you are not bla bla bla.
I jus simply said that if you wish to consider yourself a fan of Nintendo as a company. You should read up on their history. Not saying you need to know squats lol. Just interesting trivia to check out.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I would consider a reinvented Diskun (inspired by Starfy) as one of my top requests.

That is no joke ****ing adorable.
I want Diskun in Smash now.

 

[Substitution]

I see Diskun as good trophy material.
Make him just as dickish as last time. Cruel Smash exists after all.

I just want to know what it's like to see the abyss.

 

[Mythra]

Getting all bonuses in Melee to earn the Diskun Trophy turns really painful at the end.
*glares at the "Lethal Weapon" bonus"

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

You know what’s nice? Being able to play the character and not be at a blatant statistical advantage. That’s the opposite of a disservice. Quit deciding things for the rest of us.



Memes or no, it’s not healthy to have characters to be so ridiculously similar.



I’d say that what Sakurai makes is overwhelmingly unique in my eyes. The exceptions he also happens to clearly mark.

Take that as you will.



Mostly tournament results and stuff like that. Obviously there’s some amount of trickle down to more casual play, considering the massive buffs all three got. But the game collects data and sends it to Nintendo, so Sakurai can look at his more in depth data. Sakurai has made it quite evident he cares deeply about this feedback.

In my experience casuals overwhelmingly think the clones are just worse, and while casuals might be simple they’re not stupid. If one hears that one is better than the other they’re naturally going to prefer the stronger one. Even to casuals winning is important.

We're talking about clones' uniqueness. Is it unique if you copy and paste a character and change some things around? You have either:

A. Since a few things were changed, it's technically a whole new character.
B. It's just copy and pasted with things changed, so it's not a new character.

 

[FurretBro]

Incineroar for Smash's new Pokémon and Sans for wtf character

I was joking about that last part but honestly Starfy could be a wtf character despite the moveset

But I'd you think about it, Inklings don't have many attacks worthy of Smash, though look where we are now.

Also, Marx COULD be added. COULD. So can Sans, but they won't add Sans.

 

[Substitution]

Getting all bonuses in Melee to earn the Diskun Trophy turns really painful at the end.
*glares at the "Lethal Weapon" bonus"

Did you try hitting with a wide variety of attacks?
(Whatever the hell that means.)

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Incineroar for Smash's new Pokémon and Sans for wtf character

I was joking about that last part but honestly Starfy could be a wtf character despite the moveset

But I'd you think about it, Inklings don't have many attacks worthy of Smash, though look where we are now.

Also, Marx COULD be added. COULD. So can Sans, but they won't add Sans.

Sans is already in Smash.

 

[CodeBlue_]

Sans is already in Smash.

I hate to admit when I don't get a joke, but this went over my head lol

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I hate to admit when I don't get a joke, but this went over my head lol

It's a reference to a very, very, very, very ****ty Game Theory episode.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Diskun is iconic in Japan, no doubt about that. He's hidden all throughout Nintendo's early history. I don't think the West should hold that back.

The rock in the road comes with his potential. Being an interesting fighter is VERY important if you're going to be a newcomer. And it needs to be more than just filling a move set. So that's where Diskun falls short for me, as much as I want him.

 

[FurretBro]

Sans is already in Smash.

Sans Undertale is Ness comfrim!!!

Diskun is iconic in Japan, no doubt about that. He's hidden all throughout Nintendo's early history. I don't think the West should hold that back.

The rock in the road comes with his potential. Being an interesting fighter is VERY important if you're going to be a newcomer. And it needs to be more than just filling a move set. So that's where Diskun falls short for me, as much as I want him.

Japan doesn't care about Little Mac but they added him in anyways

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Diskun is iconic in Japan, no doubt about that. He's hidden all throughout Nintendo's early history. I don't think the West should hold that back.

The rock in the road comes with his potential. Being an interesting fighter is VERY important if you're going to be a newcomer. And it needs to be more than just filling a move set. So that's where Diskun falls short for me, as much as I want him.

I feel like a retro character has to be known to some degree on both sides of the world to be considered.

 

[LancerStaff]

LancerStaff
You do realize how small the percentage of people who play Smash at the level where tiers are relevant is, yes? For most people, getting familiar with any character will give you a fighting chance with people around your skill level.

This has nothing to do with tiers, believe it or not.

Let’s be honest here. Everybody wants to win. People don’t just handicap themselves intentionally for no reason. And casuals aren’t nearly as sentimental as us. If animu sword boy from that weird game they never heard of presents an advantage they’re likely to pick them over Mario. Or are you seriously telling me you didn’t have somebody pick Marth and counter spam as a kid? People grew attached to characters they perceived to be powerful.

We're talking about clones' uniqueness. Is it unique if you copy and paste a character and change some things around? You have either:

A. Since a few things were changed, it's technically a whole new character.
B. It's just copy and pasted with things changed, so it's not a new character.

I do believe we were talking about Corrin’s uniqueness but whatever I guess.

It doesn’t matter how much is similar if you turn it on it’s head. I mean, look at ARMS for example. The only difference between the different characters is grab damage, mobility, occasionally armor, and some offensive gimmicks. Other damage and offensive frame data is the same across the board. Characters still can stand out and play very differently. Sometimes less is more. Though we’re well beyond that stage in Smash... We have all the basics.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

I feel like a retro character has to be known to some degree on both sides of the world to be considered.

And that's why me and Sakurai cries over Lip.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think a Mario newcomer is very likely, but I just don't know who.

Captain Toad?
Waluigi?
Paper Mario?
Geno?

Who do you guys think is the most likely Mario newcomer?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I think a Mario newcomer is very likely, but I just don't know who.

Captain Toad?
Waluigi?
Paper Mario?
Geno?

Who do you guys think is the most likely Mario newcomer?

Captain Toad is more likely than all of them.

This has nothing to do with tiers, believe it or not.

Let’s be honest here. Everybody wants to win. People don’t just handicap themselves intentionally for no reason. And casuals aren’t nearly as sentimental as us. If animu sword boy from that weird game they never heard of presents an advantage they’re likely to pick them over Mario. Or are you seriously telling me you didn’t have somebody pick Marth and counter spam as a kid? People grew attached to characters they perceived to be powerful.



I do believe we were talking about Corrin’s uniqueness but whatever I guess.

It doesn’t matter how much is similar if you turn it on it’s head. I mean, look at ARMS for example. The only difference between the different characters is grab damage, mobility, occasionally armor, and some offensive gimmicks. Other damage and offensive frame data is the same across the board. Characters still can stand out and play very differently. Sometimes less is more. Though we’re well beyond that stage in Smash... We have all the basics.

Oof, were we? I thought we were talking about the trio. My b.

 

[Substitution]

I think a Mario newcomer is very likely, but I just don't know who.

Captain Toad?
Waluigi?
Paper Mario?
Geno?

Who do you guys think is the most likely Mario newcomer?

The one I think is neat but others will tell me my choice is clearly wrong and based on some straws this other character is somehow far superior.

So Paper Mario.