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Being honest, in many ways they're already balanced.
I mean I get your point, but you just took the time to pat yourself on the back on saying how you never ask for Jigglypuff's removal, while showing your disdain for her in the game.
For the quadrillionth time, this is NOT HOW IT WORKS.
), that is pointlessly tangled on being a detriment/scapegoat to why unique characters aren't around that'd deserve such "much more than these waste of space" - even if so many times before, this has been proven false.
Yet does this guy, and we haven't ever seen him notably so far in this whole series.
The problem comes when multiple (very similar)clones take the place of a new character.
I think the problem with the clone discussion is that the people calling for their removal are almost always saying removing the clones would provide room for an additional fully unique character, which Sakurai has gone on the record saying we were either getting the clones or nothing. Not to mention it has been pointed out several times recently in this thread and they are just choosing to ignore it.
I feel as though Sakurai ignores a lot of characters with presence and fail to see why he would make an exception for Toad.I feel like clones being in the game and people getting annoyed about them might be more based on how they get to have huge spotlight shone on them over the characters that they wanted to see, on top of being uninspired yet getting so much of the benefits (Relevancy, fandom prosperity, etc) that come from being a playable character that doesn't flow too well on their value as a fighter from the big picture compared to more unique characters
Hence why there's arguments about how they should taken out to make way for a more "unique" characters instead (usually falling on fan favorites that aren't as prone to be clones.)
Yet does this guy, and we haven't ever seen him so far.
Joking aside, it's been proven quite redundant how someone fighting experience affects the inclusion of a newcomer. (Make Your Move-thread, anyone?)
On my stance on Captain Toad, I see him as an Assist at best in this game by this point. Sakurai can't ignore his grown presence on main Mario-titles, but keeping in tandem with his overall averse stance on Toad being a fighter, builds Captain Toad's lack of jumping as a way to advertise his Assist Trophy-functions during the day we see him in a "daily update"-esque thing in the future.
I know Dedede was planned for the first Smash game on the N64. I can't find any information indicating that he was scrapped from Melee as well for that specific reason.
Has this actually ever really happened, though? Or at least with Brawl and/or 4?
Sakurai, in Melee, added the clones in place of a new character to increase the roster size.But they don't. . .and they haven't.
Which character? Just out of curiosity.
I recall having heard something like this a few times in the past.
Except that's literally NEVER happened. The only example of this is Sakurai SPECULATING that he could have put King Dedede in Super Smash Bros Melee, but it would have been at the cost of all six clones.
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said, they're added at the end of development when the roster is completed.
You mean as a fighter, or him noting Captain Toad at all to be shown in the game?
It was Dedede, so the legend goes.
There should be a rule that if someone says that clones are "lazy" or "take the place of another character" they get an infraction.
You mean the character that appeared in the game right after Melee?
Oh, I thought we were talking about fighters. Yeah, there will probably be SOMETHING for Captain Toad. Even if that something only turns out to be a trophy, ha ha.
Don't remember exactly, I'll have to check on my laptop later.
Alright, I feel y'all on that
This is still not the equivalent of "clones taking the place of another character". Sakurai made a choice. He wanted the roster to have more characters and I believe he said he discarded Wario because there were already a lot of Mario characters and he wanted to add characters from other games such as Marth & Mr. Game & Watch.
No more tour stages please.
If people can't separate their feelings for a character with reasoning behind their possible cut, they need to work on their pragmatism. My favourite character is Cloud and I make no illusions towards his uncertain fate nor do I take issue with him being, by far, the character most frequently discussed as a possible cut. Congrats for tolerating Jigglypuff and all, but no one is suggesting a character be removed on the sole basis of a distaste for them. If they were, they would get lit up faster than this gentleman and his thoughts about Doc.
I just want an actual Bowser's Castle stage.
Yeah, Lip would have a lot of potential surprisingly. I'm down for her. A move set actually based on a puzzle game.
Bring back Great Bay and Fountain of Dreams in glorious HD and my inner nerd would be overjoyed.
My most wanted characters for Smash 4 were Lip, Inklings, Lyn, and Ray from Custom Robo. If Lip or anything Panel De Pon were to be added, I'd be pretty hype.
