Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deoxys911]

I don't think Microsoft will get a character in the base game, late 2015 just seems like it was too early when you consider how their partnership has blossomed up some time later. I'm absolutely certain they'll get a character as DLC though, whether that be Banjo, Steve or even Master Chief.

You know, something that people don't consider is that planning for Banjo & Kazooie could have been the impetus for improved relationships between the companies.

Ok. Lemme just say one thing.




This line of thought?
As a community, we need to stop doing that.

Just because a third-party franchise is "iconic" does not mean it will get content.

If it weren't for Verge saying there would be Minecraft content, there would be absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that without any shadow of a doubt, Minecraft content would be featured.. And no, "it's Minecraft" isn't a valid reason. At all.

Otherwise, where's our token Call of Duty content? Or FIFA (and I mean more than just a generic soccer ball that can't really be tied to any specific series)? Or Grand Theft Auto?
These are three of the most successful gaming franchises of all time, just under Mario and Pokémon. So certainly, if Minecraft getting content is a lock solely because "it's Minecraft", then we're getting content from them because "it's Call of Duty/FIFA/Grand Theft Auto", right?

I agree with your point, don't get me wrong, though to be fair there are actual reasons why we are extremely unlikely to see representation from those three series in particular:

• Call of Duty: Mostly focused on grounded, realistic gun violence full of references to Nazis and one of the darkest times in Japan's history.
• FIFA: Licensed game starring real people who are depicted realistically who did not originate in a video game.
• Grand Theft Auto: Mostly focused on grounded, realistic violence and crime with little content that could feasibly fill out a moveset without references to such.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Also....
I think the difference here really is that no one was actually expecting Geno or Shovel Knight to be playable, just hoping.

Compare to how fans reacted to Ashley's assist trophy or Ridley's Smash 4 boss fight. A lot of them were crushed because they got themselves excited over a character that didn't happen. If people start expecting Banjo, they'll be really let down if he only gets in as a trophy, assist or costume.

That's why people shouldn't get their hopes up so high. But many many Ashley fans weren't going beyond nuts anyway. Disappointed, but that was it.

I'm more referring to extreme backlash, not disappointment. For good reasons, I'd rather we end the conversation on fans here to avoid any potential drama. I don't want any fanbase to feel targeted, you know?

Also, people were expecting Geno to be playable, yes. Brawl, 4, and currently in Ultimate.

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Hey, um, guys? Golden misunderstood the point I was making in the first place. He thought I meant that "any high profile IP will get into Smash", which wasn't it at all. My point was if Microsoft is involved, I feel Minecraft content is a lock. That was it.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm more referring to extreme backlash, not disappointment. For good reasons, I'd rather we end the conversation on fans here to avoid any potential drama. I don't want any fanbase to feel targeted, you know?

In all fairness I often see veteran Ridley supporters as some of the first people not to get your hopes too high. I'm definitely not trying to mock anyone here, so I'm sorry of it's coming off that way.

But alright, I'll go ahead and take your advice and stop.

 

[Shroob]

Controversial opinion:


Geno doesn't need a stage if he gets in.



We've seen that Ridley and K.Rool didn't get one, and the only characters to get one are Inklings and Simon, two brand new IPs.


"I" personally believe that Geno would be treated as a Mario character despite his awkward status, and I really just don't think he 'has' to have a stage.


We already has a "Spin-off" Mario music section, so just slap Forest Maze in there and call it a day.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In all fairness I often see veteran Ridley supporters as some of the first people not to get your hopes too high. I'm definitely not trying to mock anyone here, so I'm sorry of it's coming off that way.

But alright, I'll go ahead and take your advice and stop.

No, I mean that by talking about fanbases, it could turn ugly. You aren't mocking anyone at all.

Controversial opinion:


Geno doesn't need a stage if he gets in.



We've seen that Ridley and K.Rool didn't get one, and the only characters to get one are Inklings and Simon, two brand new IPs.


"I" personally believe that Geno would be treated as a Mario character despite his awkward status, and I really just don't think he 'has' to have a stage.


We already has a "Spin-off" Mario music section, so just slap Forest Maze in there and call it a day.

Actually, isn't Mario Kart the only content in the second Mario Music Slot? I don't think it's a spin-off slot specifically. Regardless, I think he'll be a Mario character by icon and all the content will be under Mario purely for Super Mario RPG.

It's possible we could get another icon, but there's little to support that idea.

 

[Deoxys911]

Controversial opinion:


Geno doesn't need a stage if he gets in.



We've seen that Ridley and K.Rool didn't get one, and the only characters to get one are Inklings and Simon, two brand new IPs.


"I" personally believe that Geno would be treated as a Mario character despite his awkward status, and I really just don't think he 'has' to have a stage.


We already has a "Spin-off" Mario music section, so just slap Forest Maze in there and call it a day.

I'm not personally a fan of Super Mario RPG (simply haven't played it), so I wonder, how would fans feel if they treated Paper Mario as his home stage and put the accompanying SMRPG music on that stage? (Rainbow Road could have worked for its thematic similarities to Star Road, but alas.)

 

[Jetsurge]

Angry Birds was a little bit of a fad. I mean, it outlived the likes of Flappy Bird but you still don't really see much merchandise for it anymore, yet if you walk into the toys section of your local Walmart I can guarantee you there will still be a foam Diamond Sword for sale.

They are still around somehow, apparently the Angry Birds movie was such as success that a sequel is coming out in 2019

 

[Shroob]

No, I mean that by talking about fanbases, it could turn ugly. You aren't mocking anyone at all.


Actually, isn't Mario Kart the only content in the second Mario Music Slot? I don't think it's a spin-off slot specifically. Regardless, I think he'll be a Mario character by icon and all the content will be under Mario purely for Super Mario RPG.

It's possible we could get another icon, but there's little to support that idea.

I only say this because I stand by the "103 stages is the final amount" theory.

Going by the "Credible" leakers, none of the characters they've said need a stage.

 

[Misery Brick]

I want to bring something up:
How would you guys feel if the direct gets announced and there's no Smash reveal in it?
(I mean it's seemingly unlikely, but with all the high expectations surrounding it)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I want to bring something up:
How would you guys feel if the direct gets announced and there's no Smash reveal in it?
(I mean it's seemingly unlikely, but with all the high expectations surrounding it)

I imagine it'd be the same as the picture I posted.

 

[Zinith]

I think the missing blog posts on Thursday was proof that Smash content was meant to be in there...

BUT if that's not the case, I'd still be happy because Yoshi's Crafted World is confirmed to be in

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I only say this because I stand by the "103 stages is the final amount" theory.

Going by the "Credible" leakers, none of the characters they've said need a stage.

Even if we got more stages, I don't see why he would get his own symbol. He's a Mario character entirely. All the other Mario variants had their own breakout series at the time(Yoshi and Wario), so a new symbol made sense. There's the tiny chance Square-Enix might force Sakurai to give Geno his own symbol to make licensing SMRPG a special case, but that's the only reason, and I don't think it has a good chance of happening. Keep in mind the bigger issue with trying to put SMRPG on VC is the fact that it has tons of music that aren't own by SE inherently. It has actual Final Fantasy music, and that's another person who owns the rights to it. And so on. So it was very difficult to license on its own. Little of it is SE's fault, though I'm sure they might've been slightly stingy to a degree, if only cause of Culex.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think we will get a few more stages honestly. Notice how there's a few blank spots?

Spoiler

Based on the amount of spaces. Base-wise we should be getting 6 more stages.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think we will get a few more stages honestly. Notice how there's a few blank spots?

Spoiler

Based on the amount of spaces. Base-wise we should be getting 6 more stages.

The spots don't mean anything.

What's more important is that the last line isn't centered.

 

[Shroob]

I think we will get a few more stages honestly. Notice how there's a few blank spots?

Spoiler

Based on the amount of spaces. Base-wise we should be getting 6 more stages.

Ah, but you forget the Training Mode stage and any user created stages if the stage builder comes back.

That, and of course the inevitable DLC button.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The spots don't mean anything.

What's more important is that the last line isn't centered.

Perhaps those spaces could even be for DLC stages.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I want to bring something up:
How would you guys feel if the direct gets announced and there's no Smash reveal in it?
(I mean it's seemingly unlikely, but with all the high expectations surrounding it)

I'd be disappointed, but I've waited long enough for the direct announcement that I don't really care that much anymore. The Direct could be canceled altogether and I probably wouldn't even complain.

That said, if we do get it and there's no Smash announcement, I hope we got at least something interesting. There's still a lot we don't know about Fire Emblem: Three Houses, so I'll probably still be satisfied with the direct if we get something on that at least. And then there's always potential new game announcements. There's a lot of other potentially interesting things they could cover.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Perhaps those spaces could even be for DLC stages.

If they were, they'd be centered.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, I just feel like whoever gets revealed next will make discerning what the final roster will probably look like easier.

If it's Skull Kid, nothing changes really, but it means Loz at least had some credibility.

If it's any of Verg's picks, he's still completely correct.

If it's a curveball, then things will be interesting.

 

[MBRedboy31]

If they were, they'd be centered.

They weren’t centered in Smash 3DS...

 

[Fenriraga]

So have we discussed the fact that the Smash blog's post numbering system pretty much confirmed we're getting a new fighter (and a possible echo) whenever the direct rolls around?

I'm sure we have, but it's still got me excited.

 

[Shroob]

They weren’t centered in Smash 3DS...

To be fair, Pirate Ship WAS going to be a 3ds stage.

But that got canned due to obvious hardware issues.

 

[MBRedboy31]

To be fair, Pirate Ship WAS going to be a 3ds stage.

But that got canned due to obvious hardware issues.

That most likely would’ve pushed the Random button one spot to the right, leaving two empty spots to the right of Random, so it still wouldn’t be centered.

 

[NintendoKnight]

So have we discussed the fact that the Smash blog's post numbering system pretty much confirmed we're getting a new fighter (and a possible echo) whenever the direct rolls around?

I'm sure we have, but it's still got me excited.

Wait, what numbering system?

 

[Shroob]

That most likely would’ve pushed the Random button one spot to the right, leaving two empty spots to the right of Random, so it still wouldn’t be centered.

I mean, it could have, or they could have centered it.

We don't know what Sakurai's end goal would have looked like. The man literally centered every menu to that point.

 

[Zinith]

Well actually, the Duck Hunt stage was provided for the 3DS as compensation for not getting Pirate Ship on, so...

*shrugs*

 

[Jetsurge]

Well actually, the Duck Hunt stage was provided for the 3DS as compensation for not getting Pirate Ship on, so...

*shrugs*

The Duck Hunt stage was free though like it was intended for the base game

 

[Fenriraga]

Wait, what numbering system?

Each Smash Blog post has a number attributed to it, as seen in the URL of the images on the site. For example, here's the address for the second image from the Alolan Exeggutor post.

This includes Sakurai's "Memories" post, and any other post on the site. For example, here's the web URL for Toon Link's memories post from today.

If we count up Bowser and Toon Link's Fighter posts, that leaves a 3-number gap between Alolan Executor and Bowser.

(Found this through PushDustin).

Meaning the Direct was going to have a fighter reveal for sure, one post for the Reveal Trailer being added, one for the Fighter Video, and a third one of some degree. There was no blog update the day of the direct, and it doesn't update on weekends, as we know.

 

[Zippo]

"9/13. The next update is a little surprise announcement! There might be. Please look forward to it."

Dengeki just reweeted this. We may have our date.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The Duck Hunt stage was free though like it was intended for the base game

Eh, nothing suggests it was intended for the base game. It was free because it was a stage in the Wii U version. Repaying for the same stage felt pointless, as many users had both games too. It's why it was free instead of paid like other regular DLC. Otherwise, only patches were free.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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"9/13. The next update is a little surprise announcement! There might be. Please look forward to it."

Dengeki just reweeted this. We may have our date.

So, 9/13 for Americans or Japanese?

Cause if Japanese, then we get our announcement today and the direct tomorrow.

 

[Jetsurge]

Ah, but you forget the Training Mode stage and any user created stages if the stage builder comes back.

That, and of course the inevitable DLC button.

Stage builder icon will be on the top left, dlc stage icon will be on the top right

 

[Michael the Spikester]

snip
"9/13. The next update is a little surprise announcement! There might be. Please look forward to it."

Dengeki just reweeted this. We may have our date.

Y'all happy now?

 

[Abha]

Y'all happy now?

Yes, now when we finally see the newcomer reveal instead of complaining about lack of news I can complain about how (X) got in over my character.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

By the way, who is Dengeki?

 

[ToddCam]

Who is the tweeter? Why are they a source?

 

[Zinith]

By the way, who is Dengeki?

Magazine imprint of ASCII...

 

[Shroob]

I think the biggest issue is going to boil down to this:


If the character we're getting is 'not' a curveball choice, I feel like people are going to complain 'here' like crazy.


If the character is Skull Kid/Incineroar/Isaac, I can hear the moans and groans of "Ugh, how boring. We've heard about that character for months"



Which is really why I wish we had an actual speculation thread and general thread be separate.


People here have shown disappointment in "Discussing the same characters over and over again", but at the same time, to us that want to discuss leaks and ****, it feels a bit unfair to both us, and to them to constantly have to annoy them over this.

 

[JaidynReiman]

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"9/13. The next update is a little surprise announcement! There might be. Please look forward to it."

Dengeki just reweeted this. We may have our date.

For the Smash Direct the Castlevania music was pushed back until after the Direct occurred. Thursday in Japan is Wednesday in the west, the same day of the week the Smash Direct aired. Yeah I'm definitely thinking the Nintendo Direct is airing on Wednesday now. Nintendo will announce it in the morning, and we won't get the music update tomorrow.

 

[osby]

I think the biggest issue is going to boil down to this:


If the character we're getting is 'not' a curveball choice, I feel like people are going to complain 'here' like crazy.


If the character is Skull Kid/Incineroar/Isaac, I can hear the moans and groans of "Ugh, how boring. We've heard about that character for months"



Which is really why I wish we had an actual speculation thread and general thread be separate.


People here have shown disappointment in "Discussing the same characters over and over again", but at the same time, to us that want to discuss leaks and ****, it feels a bit unfair to both us, and to them to constantly have to annoy them over this.

Eh, we heard about Ridley for ten years and still got people excited.