Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

Is Little Mac really a retro character when we had Punch Out Wii?

He did originate on in the 80's I'd say so. Excitebiker also had a Wii game guess he't no longer a retro either.

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Alolan Exeggutor

Spoiler: Well

HEhehee

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Wasn’t a Halo DS game planned at one point?

Nope, a team brought a reskinned mod of an old game that was pitched to Bungie at the time. Never planned, just pitched at.

 

[Originality]

They posted an hour ago

At the time he said that, he was correct

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Simon does count. He is a retro rep. Being 1st party has nothing to do with that.

Then what about Pac-Man and Mega Man who debuted in Smash 4? Guess they should count too then. Again I'm referring to 1st party retros.

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt, Little Mac

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

This picture but it's Ridley sitting on skulls of other Nintendo characters.

Mario's corpse and Mega Man's disassembled parts plz.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Here's a question: What are some characters you guys feel are likelier than the community as a whole seems to think? Obviously this means no Skull Kids/Isabelles/Isaacs/Genos/etc etc.

Minecraft Guy
Ryu Hayabusa
Impa
Tsareena
Excite Biker

 

[LetterO]

Then what about Pac-Man and Mega Man who debuted in Smash 4? Guess they should count too then. Again I'm referring to 1st party retros.

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt, Little Mac

They count as well. I don't see why it has to be first party.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Then what about Pac-Man and Mega Man who debuted in Smash 4? Guess they should count too then. Again I'm referring to 1st party retros.

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt, Little Mac

If you're counting Lil' Mac... Shouldn't you count Pit too?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

He's been nerfed pretty heavily bro In a game where most fighters have gotten buffs

This take is PIPING hot considering Fox was already a pretty good character in Smash 4 (arguably top 10, possibly top 15?), and when you factor in what the universal mechanics changes do for his kit as a baseline, it's hard to imagine him falling off that hard. I haven't heard of any drastic changes to his frame data or anything from dedicated players like Larry Lurr so it's not like that part of the character is terrible. The inability to pass through characters + Fox Illusion not crossing up people on shield isn't the worst thing they could have done.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Pakky]

Mario's corpse and Mega Man's disassembled parts plz.

is cat is what I'm getting.

This is very good.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If you're counting Lil' Mac... Shouldn't you count Pit too?

Well poop I figured I was forgetting someone.

 

[Originality]

Does King K Rool count as a retro rep, or Ridley for that matter?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

They count as well. I don't see why it has to be first party.

It's just I notice a trend for every Smash game since Melee. Tends to feature a new pokemon or 1st party retro fighter.

 

[DevaAshera]

Be glad that another Intelligent System IP is allowed to exist beyond AT capacity in Smash Bros.

Does Paper Mario count as an Intelligent Systems rep?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Does King K Rool count as a retro rep, or Ridley for that matter?

No he doesn't. He's appeared in modern DK games like DK64, King of Swing, Barrel Blast and even an Mario sports game like Mario Super Sluggers.

Can't believe there's still debate to this day of people thinking whether he's a Rare or Nintendo character despite the fact Nintendo owns Donkey Kong. If he was a Rare character he never would had been in the latter three I mentioned.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Does King K Rool count as a retro rep?

I...

His last appearance was in Mario Super Sluggers (IIRC) if you don't count Odyssey's reference.

 

[Originality]

No he doesn't. He's appeared in modern DK games like DK64, King of Swing, Barrel Blast and even an Mario sports game like Mario Super Sluggers.

Can't believe there's still debate to this day of people thinking whether he's a Rare or Nintendo character despite the fact Nintendo owns Donkey Kong.

Then why does Little Mac count?

 

[Blargg888]

If you're counting Lil' Mac... Shouldn't you count Pit too?

Nah, Pittoo debuted in Kid Icarus Uprising, which is a “New 10s” game.

 

[GaroMaster]

Here's a question: What are some characters you guys feel are likelier than the community as a whole seems to think? Obviously this means no Skull Kids/Isabelles/Isaacs/Genos/etc etc.

If there's one character that I feel like is getting slept on, it is Lloyd Irving.

He's the main protagonist of the most popular game (Tales of Symphonia) in a prolific video game series.
He had popularity back in the Brawl days and he might have done well on the Ballot considering we got him as a Mii Costume in the same wave as Chrom and K. Rool.
I can see Lloyd happening and taking a lot of people by surprise.

 

[Meritocracy]

Here's a question: What are some characters you guys feel are likelier than the community as a whole seems to think? Obviously this means no Skull Kids/Isabelles/Isaacs/Genos/etc etc.

Tails/Steve

 

[Schnee117]

Simon isn't a retro rep, he's had appearances this past decade with Harmony of Despair and Mirror of Fate

No he doesn't. He's appeared in modern DK games like DK64, King of Swing, Barrel Blast and even an Mario sports game like Mario Super Sluggers.

So DK64 is modern despite releasing on the N64 but Simon was in a 3ds game and he's considered "retro?"

 

[Opossum]

My preferred retro choice is Muddy Mole.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Because Little Mac and Simon both debuted in a game that started in the 80's and are the main character. K. Rool is not and debuted in the 90's and is a villain.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

10. Master Chief
9. Excitebiker
8. Reggie, Cooking Mama, Groose (Or any other off the wall Joke Character)
7. Minecraft Guy
6. Hades
5. Incineroar
4. Crash Bandicoot
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Elma
1. Tap Trial Girl (or any other Rhythm Heaven rep)

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

My preferred retro choice is Muddy Mole.

Isn't that the enemy from Mario?

 

[Will]

Because Little Mac and Simon both debuted in a game that started in the 80's and is the main character. K. Rool is not and debuted in the 90's and is a villain.

SNES is arguably retro if it came out almost 30 years ago

 

[MojoRobo]

Simon isn't a retro rep, he's had appearances this past decade with Harmony of Despair and Mirror of Fate



So DK64 is modern despite releasing on the N64 but Simon was in a 3ds game and he's considered "retro?"

I know the Weiss in your posts is supposed to be your signature but it always looks like a Smug Anime Girl Reaction Image™

 

[?????????????]

So...do Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, and Kirby count as retro?

 

[Opossum]

Isn't that the enemy from Mario?

No, that's a Monty Mole.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

*Sigh*

Well if this is the logic you guys want to go with then...

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt

Better now?

 

[Originality]

Because Little Mac and Simon both debuted in a game that started in the 80's and are the main character. K. Rool is not and debuted in the 90's and is a villain.

The villain/hero thing seems pretty arbitrary to me. Without it, Ridley would count then

 

[MSmariosonic]

Because Little Mac and Simon both debuted in a game that started in the 80's and are the main character. K. Rool is not and debuted in the 90's and is a villain.

Eh

Gotta disagree with you there, pal.

That makes Solid Snake a retro rep too

Sounds weird doesn't it?

 

[Schnee117]

So...do Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, and Kirby count as retro?

Going by the mental gymnastics in this thread I can safely say...

EVERYONE IS RETRO!

 

[Will]

*Sigh*

Well if this is the logic you guys want to go with then...

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt

Better now?

Yes because that's what literally everyone has been using

 

[Opossum]

*Sigh*

Well if this is the logic you guys want to go with then...

Melee: Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: R.O.B.
Smash 4: Duck Hunt

Better now?

Yes, though Pit should still be counted for Brawl, since at the time he was retro. He just isn't anymore, is all.

 

[Blargg888]

Isn't that the enemy from Mario?

You’re thinking of Monty Mole

 

[Iridium]

So...do Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, and Kirby count as retro?

They definitely should. I can't see why not.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

is a retro character if take into account that I have family that was born between Fates's release date and now.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yes, though Pit should still be counted for Brawl, since at the time he was retro. He just isn't anymore, is all.

True I kept thinking there was Uprising but then I remembered the moment you brought this up it that came out after Brawl.