Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[GaroMaster]

Keeeeeep telling yourself that.

Shrek maybe not, but the rest are legit wanted. This kind of thing is brushing off legitimate supporters. Of course, pretending that memes aren't the reason for some support is silly too. But the thing is? That's still legit in its own way. Yes, some want Waluigi for the memes. But they still want them in and aren't being ironic in any way.

There's tons of reasons to want a character in, after all. You can like a character for more than playing their game/watching their show/experiencing their work, after all.


And that's a good thing. Every character has fanbases. Every character has at least one person who wants them because they, gasp, like the character. Why is this so hard to believe anyway? There is no irony in wanting a cultural icon playable.

Honestly, my post didn't really come from a place of ridicule. I don't question that people want him or the fact that he's a cultural icon. If they want him, that's fine by me.
I guess I just have a certain view that in a game about video game characters, the focus should be on video game characters.
Then again, Goku is a character people really want and I don't want to be that guy that tells others what to do, so I'll just leave it at that. Can't say much more about it.

On another topic, though, one detail that I really like in Ultimate is how the metal transformation doesn't go by in a split second and instead goes on for second. It's really cool to see in action.

 

[Idon]

In that case i'm rooting for Melving the Elephant and anyone who tells me he can't be in Smash is being harsh towards me.

*MELVIN KRISPS THE COMPETITION* LE'TS GO BOYS

You ever take one look at an image and know in your heart of hearts...
"Yeah, there's probably porn of this thing online."

 

[Deleted member]

She also starred in Super Mario Run which is confirmed main.

She didn't "star" in it, she was a bonus character in an update.

Long after she would have been decided to be in Ultimate as an Echo.

As in, her appearance in Super Mario Run meant absolutely nothing.

 

[Momotsuki]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Direct isn't on Sunday won't Famitsu spoil all of it?

 

[Arcadenik]

Ugh... I am still sad that Toad is still not playable in Smash.

 

[Dee Dude]

I just hope nobody thinks Geno is on a higher priority level than Waluigi cause man, that would be massively hypocritical.

Daisy herself is no different, being on a mobile game and only one platformer title doesn’t suddenly rank her on this scale of “importance” since that’s apparently a thing in Mario of all series.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm surprised none of the supposed newcomers had yet to be leaked...

 

[Impa4Smash]

Ugh... I am still sad that Toad is still not playable in Smash.

I mean it looks like he punches now in some of Peaches moves

 

[Potato_]

You ever take one look at an image and know in your heart of hearts...
"Yeah, there's probably porn of this thing online."

Well thanks, NOW i'm thinking it.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

No one actually wants Goku, Shrek or Waluigi. Everyone is just being ironic.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In that case i'm rooting for Melving the Elephant and anyone who tells me he can't be in Smash is being harsh towards me.

*MELVIN KRISPS THE COMPETITION* LE'TS GO BOYS

Don't troll about it. If somebody is being harsh towards you, that's their problem no matter who you legitimate support. You support Batman unironically, right? That's cool! You have every right to do so.

Sure, he has no chance for the same reasons Goku does, but it's not like that should matter for a supporter. As long as you don't create issues about chances and such that would make the Moderation forced to step in, you know?

Honestly, my post didn't really come from a place of ridicule. I don't question that people want him or the fact that he's a cultural icon. If they want him, that's fine by me.
I guess I just have a certain view that in a game about video game characters, the focus should be on video game characters.
Then again, Goku is a character people really want and I don't want to be that guy that tells others what to do, so I'll just leave it at that. Can't say much more about it.
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On another topic, though, one detail that I really like in Ultimate is how the metal transformation doesn't go by in a split second and instead goes on for second. It's really cool to see in action.

No, that's exactly what I mean. You prefer the game to have game characters only. That's not being harsh. That's just a perfectly legitimate opinion.

Being harsh is being elitist about it and calling characters "meme picks only" instead of being reasonable and just accepting that characters have legit support because they're liked.

 

[Arcadenik]

I mean it looks like he punches now in some of Peaches moves

I don't want Toad to punch for Peach. I want Toad to punch for himself.

 

[Dee Dude]

Toad and Waluigi being the last two core Mario characters still not playable in Smash irks me...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm surprised none of the supposed newcomers had yet to be leaked...

I've been saying for the longest time that Sakurai legit has the entire Japanese military force on deck when you come to and leave work. Gotta stare each person who worked on it down, tell them "if you leak the game, you know what's next."

Sakurai is out for blood after Smash 4.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Don't troll about it. If somebody is being harsh towards you, that's their problem no matter who you legitimate support. You support Batman unironically, right? That's cool! You have every right to do so.

Sure, he has no chance for the same reasons Goku does.

One can unironically want any character whether if it originated from a videogame or not, remember? I have every right to want Melvin and Batman.
Okay i got heated up a bit pls don't ban me

 

[LetterO]

Apologies if I seem insensitive, but I honestly think we might as well get the new date announced today. Japan has their power back and is recovering, and Japan Nintendo seems okay with streaming as we saw last night. They have the direct ready. I don't see why they'd keep waiting.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I don't want Toad to punch for Peach. I want Toad to punch for himself.

But Toad’s job is protecting Peach so it makes sense.

But yeah I’d love it if Toad got in, or Captain Toad, but probably not with him being a stage hazard

 

[Enchess]

Ok, real talk, people who don't think Goku can/should be in Smash aren't the bad guys here either.

Spoiler

It's not like Smashboards is super antagonistic to people's wants in general. Even most out there third party video game characters have gotten some serious discussion. It's only so called 4th parties met with hostility, but even then I'd say people here are generous if anything. If you go onto forums for Jump Force and try pushing Mickey Mouse I can guarantee you'll get a worse reception. Same if you go to Mortal Kombat forums and push MLP.

People who don't think non-video game characters can or should show up in what is still and has always been a crossover of only characters originating in video games aren't being mean spirited or overly negative. We are basing our speculations on creator intent, game theming, and precedent. If we don't base our speculation on anything, we might as well root for any arbitrary character from any arbitrary medium. Why not have John Cena in, if there are no rules and someone out there would enjoy it?

I'm tired of realistic people being treated like we're just mean for being realistic. And I'm tired of people who like Smash Bros having a theme being villanized for wanting it to keep it's theme.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Toad and Waluigi being the last two core Mario characters still not playable in Smash irks me...

None of them are relevant

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Everyone knows Sakurai put Daisy in the game so we’d be haunted by Hi I’m Daisy taunts forever

No joke, I'll ****ing riot if that isn't in the game.

 

[Impa4Smash]

None of them are relevant

Toad and Waluigi are definitely relevant what do you mean. Toad is in like every Mario, and Waluigi never misses a spin off game

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Regarding the discussion of taking out the Echoes for a unique character, as people pointed out the six Melee clones altogether didn't equal the work of one unique newcomer, but also consider the Echoes are even less distinct from their base character than the Melee clones were. Roughly we can estimate that the Echoes take somewhere around the range of 5-15% of the effort of a typical unique newcomer, with the likes of Dark Pit on the lower end while the likes of Dark Samus are on the higher end. With this considered, take out all the Echoes and it's doubtful we could get even just a single unique newcomer instead.

We know for a fact that: 6 Melee clones=1 King Dedede
Echoes take much less work than a Melee clone and Melee didn't worry abiut balancing newcomers so that's a lot of time to save. My bet would be on 8 Echoes=1 Unique Fighter considering what we know

It seems I also got DDD confused with Wario. Could swear I had read DDD was planned for Melee.

Dedede being planned for Melee and taken out for the six clones is an old myth, there's nothing out there that confirms that Dedede was planned for Melee, and the inclusion of the six clones did not take the place of any character.

 

[Dee Dude]

None of them are relevant

.....This is a joke post right?

 

[Graizen]

Here a leak from August 4 with Simon and K.Rool

Simon Belmon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Genos, Sora, Agumon, Dark Samus, Rex

>Simon uses a lot of cool whipping moves and a small sword.
>King K. Rool uses his various gimmiks from DK country. From mad scentist, to pirate his outfits are part of his moveset.
>Isabelle is an echo of Villager,
>Genos uses most his attacks from SMRPG. As well as a few other tricks Sakurai added for fun.
>Sora was arranged between Disney, Square and Nomura (whom had to be exclusively asked first). He plays much like Robin using magic for his specials and his keyblade for his smash attacks.
>Bandai Namco is keeping secrets about Digimon's 20th anniversary but he's still coming to Smash. With Digimon Survive not being the only Digimon Switch game planned.
>Dark Samus is an echo of Samus
>Rex is in the game, using his moves like Anchor Shot, Sword Bash, Double spinning Edge and can switch blades. The blades are in the background like Pokemon Trainer. Rex is better on the ground because the blades can't jump with him and the farther he gets from the blade the more it nerfs him.

I also want to add the trailer for Sora is going to be quite funny with Rex liking his attitude. They are both late additions too. Expect the trailer late November.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/426500498/

 

[GunBlaze]

Apologies if I seem insensitive, but I honestly think we might as well get the new date announced today. Japan has their power back and is recovering, and Japan Nintendo seems okay with streaming as we saw last night. They have the direct ready. I don't see why they'd keep waiting.

Auxiliary Power. Full-on repairs might take up to a week.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Toad and Waluigi being the last two core Mario characters still not playable in Smash irks me...

Now when you say “core” Mario character(s)

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Here a leak from August 4 with Simon and K.Rool

Simon Belmon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Genos, Sora, Agumon, Dark Samus, Rex

>Simon uses a lot of cool whipping moves and a small sword.
>King K. Rool uses his various gimmiks from DK country. From mad scentist, to pirate his outfits are part of his moveset.
>Isabelle is an echo of Villager,
>Genos uses most his attacks from SMRPG. As well as a few other tricks Sakurai added for fun.
>Sora was arranged between Disney, Square and Nomura (whom had to be exclusively asked first). He plays much like Robin using magic for his specials and his keyblade for his smash attacks.
>Bandai Namco is keeping secrets about Digimon's 20th anniversary but he's still coming to Smash. With Digimon Survive not being the only Digimon Switch game planned.
>Dark Samus is an echo of Samus
>Rex is in the game, using his moves like Anchor Shot, Sword Bash, Double spinning Edge and can switch blades. The blades are in the background like Pokemon Trainer. Rex is better on the ground because the blades can't jump with him and the farther he gets from the blade the more it nerfs him.

I also want to add the trailer for Sora is going to be quite funny with Rex liking his attitude. They are both late additions too. Expect the trailer late November.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/426500498/

>"Here it is, fresh Smash Leaks. "
Come one man, that's faker than my GF

Spoiler

;_;

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I mean, people can support a character like Goku, but they should acknowledged the reality of the situation we're currently at.

Wanting a non-videgame character and acting like it almost certainly WILL happen or has a good chance of happening is borderline delusional given what we know.

You can support a character and want them really badly, but don't take it too far. Goku is worthy because he has the special status that COULD merit an exception to the rule, but this doesn't make him the least bit realistic and likely as much as it doesn't make a character like Mickey or James Bond likely.

But hey, I'll happily eat my words if it does happen. I'm just hesitant to believe that these cahracter will make it in after Sakurai has said he wanted to include "realisable" characters from the Ballot and is using the popular characters fron the ballot to influence this game heavily, and yet, we have no evidence of any of these types of characters even being included as simple ATs and we're what? Two months and some change fron release?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Waluigi never misses a spin off game

*Cough*Mario Kart 7*Cough*

 

[John Dylan Smith]

https://www.deviantart.com/boogeyboy1/art/Waiting-for-Super-Smash-Bros-Ultimate-760487756

This is me waiting for the September Direct right now!

 

[Will]

Here a leak from August 4 with Simon and K.Rool

Simon Belmon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Genos, Sora, Agumon, Dark Samus, Rex

>Simon uses a lot of cool whipping moves and a small sword.
>King K. Rool uses his various gimmiks from DK country. From mad scentist, to pirate his outfits are part of his moveset.
>Isabelle is an echo of Villager,
>Genos uses most his attacks from SMRPG. As well as a few other tricks Sakurai added for fun.
>Sora was arranged between Disney, Square and Nomura (whom had to be exclusively asked first). He plays much like Robin using magic for his specials and his keyblade for his smash attacks.
>Bandai Namco is keeping secrets about Digimon's 20th anniversary but he's still coming to Smash. With Digimon Survive not being the only Digimon Switch game planned.
>Dark Samus is an echo of Samus
>Rex is in the game, using his moves like Anchor Shot, Sword Bash, Double spinning Edge and can switch blades. The blades are in the background like Pokemon Trainer. Rex is better on the ground because the blades can't jump with him and the farther he gets from the blade the more it nerfs him.

I also want to add the trailer for Sora is going to be quite funny with Rex liking his attitude. They are both late additions too. Expect the trailer late November.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/426500498/

>Digimon
of-****ing-course

 

[Dee Dude]

Now when you say “core” Mario character(s)

Characters that are always recurring in the Mario cast and frequently appear playable in many games whenever they’re platformers or spin-offs and are widely recognized by the Nintendo/Gaming community???

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

If Agumon gets in and the original Digimon theme isn't in then I'll riot to that as well.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Toad and Waluigi are definitely relevant what do you mean. Toad is in like every Mario, and Waluigi never misses a spin off game

.....This is a joke post right?

Toad is a background character, and he doesn't have any moveset potential(Though if we talk about Captain Toad...)
And Waluigi is just a spin-off character. I supported him before for his potential, but waluigi fans screwed up...

 

[Enchess]

>Simon uses a lot of cool whipping moves and a small sword.

I think we can safely ignore if Simon unless Simon is suddenly revealed to be another anime swordsman.

Also, no real claims to credibility
Simon - previously leaked by a leaker many trust
K Rool - common guess, on many fake leaks
Dark Samus - incredibly common guess. Even Sakurai admits as much in the direct

I think this is too close to home to you with the Digimon stuff. You should reduce that trigger finger on Agumon leaks.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Toad is a background character, and he doesn't have any moveset potential(Though if we talk about Captain Toad...)
And Waluigi is just a spin-off character. I supported him before for his potential, but waluigi fans screwed up...

Toad is playable in so many Mario games. Saying he has no potential is like saying Mario has no potential

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ok, real talk, people who don't think Goku can/should be in Smash aren't the bad guys here either.

Spoiler

It's not like Smashboards is super antagonistic to people's wants in general. Even most out there third party video game characters have gotten some serious discussion. It's only so called 4th parties met with hostility, but even then I'd say people here are generous if anything. If you go onto forums for Jump Force and try pushing Mickey Mouse I can guarantee you'll get a worse reception. Same if you go to Mortal Kombat forums and push MLP.

People who don't think non-video game characters can or should show up in what is still and has always been a crossover of only characters originating in video games aren't being mean spirited or overly negative. We are basing our speculations on creator intent, game theming, and precedent. If we don't base our speculation on anything, we might as well root for any arbitrary character from any arbitrary medium. Why not have John Cena in, if there are no rules and someone out there would enjoy it?

I'm tired of realistic people being treated like we're just mean for being realistic. And I'm tired of people who like Smash Bros having a theme being villanized for wanting it to keep it's theme.

Being realistic =/= being overly harsh and calling characters "meme picks" are different.

That's kind of the point I'm making. What you're doing is fine and should be promoted more, having constructive reasons for your views.

 

[Poopyhead]

I'm so tired of these stupid Waluigi debates.

Waluigi:

- Yes, people actually want him in. He's not just a meme, nor has he ever been just a meme. The same went for Ridley and Cloud. And remember the only reason Goku became a meme character in the first place is because people genuinely wanted him in, and some people do still genuinely want him in especially with Dragon Ball fighting games existing.

- The argument that he has to have his own game makes no sense and is blatantly stupid. He will most likely never have his own game but that has no bearing on whether or not he will be a playable character in Smash. You cannot argue that every character in the roster is as all-important as Mario or Pikachu, and not every character fits the "role of protagonist or villain," and Waluigi is not any different.

- Daisy is an Echo, practically an alternate costume to Peach, meaning she took very little time in comparison to unique fighters. If they were going to make Echo fighters, Daisy was among the most obvious to create. Waluigi is not capable of being an echo. Stop comparing them. It proves nothing.

- He's a recurring Mario character, well-known, and has decent popularity. In terms of Smash, he doesn't have the support other characters have, so it's no surprise he's still an AT, but if he were to garner the support and compete in popularity with these other potential newcomers, are people really going to argue "he can't be a character because he only appears in Mario spinoff games"? Bruh, the Mario spinoff games are some of the most famous Nintendo games. Everyone and their mom has played Mario Kart and Mario Party. He's a staple in the Mario roster. The only character left competing with Waluigi in that regard is Toad.

- No, Sakurai did not get "treated horribly" by the Waluigi fans as far as I know. I have literally never seen any evidence to suggest that. The only thing I saw that started it was some guy tweeted a Waluigi meme asking for Waluigi to Sakurai, and then some person on Twitter said the Waluigi fans were harrassing him. Please, he's Sakurai, he knows what a damn meme is.

- Yes, the Waluigi circlejerk was annoying. Now the anti-Waluigi circlejerk is annoying.

 

[Deleted member]

>Simon uses a lot of cool whipping moves and a small sword.
>King K. Rool uses his various gimmiks from DK country. From mad scentist, to pirate his outfits are part of his moveset.

Just because a leak has Agumon doesn't mean you can ignore what's on there that is factually untrue.

The only thing close to the second part is the fact he puts on a pirate hat when using the Blunderbuss. That's it.

 

[Will]

I supported him before for his potential, but two people obssessed with the character made a bad joke, one of which (the person who made the actual joke) apologized, but that still means every one of them messed up because that's how it works...

You know I had to FTFY