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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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No one actually wants Goku, Shrek or Waluigi. Everyone is just being ironic.
Keeeeeep telling yourself that.

Shrek maybe not, but the rest are legit wanted. This kind of thing is brushing off legitimate supporters. Of course, pretending that memes aren't the reason for some support is silly too. But the thing is? That's still legit in its own way. Yes, some want Waluigi for the memes. But they still want them in and aren't being ironic in any way.

There's tons of reasons to want a character in, after all. You can like a character for more than playing their game/watching their show/experiencing their work, after all.

Have you seen this ******* thread? We still have... people who want Goku unironically.
And that's a good thing. Every character has fanbases. Every character has at least one person who wants them because they, gasp, like the character. Why is this so hard to believe anyway? There is no irony in wanting a cultural icon playable.
 

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I honestly feel the whole "an AT will get upgraded" is strawgrasping. Of course, they should support him being playable, but thinking he's likely isn't the same thing as thinking things can happen. The AT DLC Upgrade theory is fair to think of as a possibility. We can't say it's impossible. But likely? That's just overrating it a lot. But to be honest, I can't think of a good reason why it's all that unlikely. Yes, for base roster, saying Waluigi still could become playable is silly. He's got a hard and set role. That's what it is. Does it suck? Sure! Is it worth going nuts or making crazy theories about? Nah. And I don't consider AT DLC Upgrade a crazy theory at all. There's the thought that Sakurai already has the character full envision and wouldn't change them this game, but that's the only argument against it, and while it's legit(Sakurai is stubborn, after all), it doesn't feel like a very good one overall. It is not useful to shut down the theory. It's a fair reason to think the theory isn't that likely, though.
Until he stars in an main game or his own game (The former being the reason Daisy made the cut over him). He has no place in the roster and should remain as the assist trophy he is. I mean him not appearing in the WarioWare series should show that.

Smash is about characters that made video game history especially among Nintendo. Waluigi did not having only starred in spin-off sports games.
 
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There's tons of reasons to want a character in, after all. You can like a character for more than playing their game/watching their show/experiencing their work, after all.
Okay, i can't argue against wanting Waluigi, but Goku, seriously? You can't just want any random character, or maybe you can, but pushing for it over any other worthy newcomers is wrong, specially if it didn't even originate from a video game.
 
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Until he stars in an main game or his own game (The former being the reason Daisy made the cut over him). He has no place in the roster and should remain as the assist trophy he is. I mean him not appearing in the WarioWare series should show that.

Smash is about characters that made video game history especially among Nintendo. Waluigi did not having only starred in spin-off sports games.
Daisy only got in as a glorified alt costume for Peach. She didn't take Waluigi's "spot".
 

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And that's a good thing. Every character has fanbases. Every character has at least one person who wants them because they, gasp, like the character. Why is this so hard to believe anyway? There is no irony in wanting a cultural icon playable.
Yeah but some characters' (i.e. Goku, Spongebob) fanbases are somehow more discussed here than they should be.
 

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At this point I'm just gonna pretend Nintendo actually announced the rumored Splatoon 2 date to be the real direct date and leave it at that.

Lord knows why we need to wait a week to even give a date on an announcement but it's Nintendo. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't used to this.
 

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You guys are so impatient. :laugh:

If rumors are to be true it'll be the 13th we'll be seeing the direct.
I don’t think so many would be begging for a direct if we didn’t know it was already ready recorded. Literally all they need to do is air it.
They were streaming smash gameplay last night so I really don’t see why it can’t be aired yet.
 

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Until he stars in an main game or his own game (The former being the reason Daisy made the cut over him). He has no place in the roster and should remain as the assist trophy he is. I mean him not appearing in the WarioWare series should show that.

Smash is about characters that made video game history especially among Nintendo. Waluigi did not having only starred in spin-off sports games.
Waluigi has had cameos, and Nintendo even acknowledged how Waluigi yearns to have some spotlight in Odyssey, seeing as how he has a costume there.

Even Paper Mario TTYD had his costume as a little secret.

They're at least aware of his fans and support, and they constantly reaffirm that he does exist in the other universes, just lurking in the shadows and waiting for his chance.

Will they go through with it? Honestly, it's hard to tell, but I wouldn't write the character off until then. Don't believe Ice Climbers in particular "made gaming history" for an example. Captain Falcon and Roy when they were included back in Melee also weren't exactly big stars of gaming either.
 

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That's not even remotely close to how she got in. Daisy isn't even show up in her own game that you said she starred in for 30 seconds.
This. For all intents and purposes she's pretty much a spin off character just like Waluigi. She hasn't been in a main series game since the game boy but she's in like every Mario spin off. Calling Daisy a "main series character" is more or less a technicality. She made it in over waluigi because she could be an echo.
 

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Until he stars in an main game or his own game (The former being the reason Daisy made the cut over him). He has no place in the roster and should remain as the assist trophy he is. I mean him not appearing in the WarioWare series should show that.

Smash is about characters that made video game history especially among Nintendo. Waluigi did not having only starred in spin-off sports games.
He doesn't need to star in a game(which he did, for the record, as Mario Party 3 and Dance Dance Revolution, his two story roles, are not sports games in any way) to be popular or have a cultural impact. People know him because he's that damn popular and showed up a lot. There was a ton of backlash for him not being in 7. That says a lot about his impact.

Though yeah, if you believe a character needs to star in their own game(Waluigi's major roles were not the true starring role) in a non-spin-off to get in, that's fair. But that doesn't mean people accept that as a good answer. If you apply that to every single character, which is the only reason it should be applied to Waluigi, a major Mario series character(just like Toad), you need to remove quite a few as is, especially if you consider when they were added; no Ganondorf, Bowser, Sheik(Zelda starred in a CD-i game), Jigglypuff, Pikachu(neither starred in games yet, though maybe it was Pokemon Yellow?), Falco, Wolf, Daisy... and I could go frankly on. It's an arbitrary reason that needs to be applicable to everyone first if you're going to seriously care about something as silly as "wasn't in a mainline game", which frankly is so beyond arbitrary it doesn't matter in the first place.

Waluigi is popular non-ironically. If he isn't playable, it's either Nintendo stopping Sakurai or being unable to make a really good moveset(Daisy had the Echo fighter going on more than anything. She has few stand out abilities anymore than Waluigi does, and he can swim in the air as is, plus is the original Mario Sports Character. Daisy was literally nothing more than a Peach recolor and had no differences till the spin-offs later added her flower abilities).

Yeah but some characters' (i.e. Goku, Spongebob) fanbases are somehow more discussed here than they should be.
I'm not sure what the issue is, though? They're popular characters. Their fanbases get discussed.

I can see a case to ban discussion for the same reason we don't allow non-game 3rd party Support Threads(namely due to controversy), but if there's no case to be made, then it's frankly not worth worrying about. Let them discuss it in peace and be civil about it. Just like with any other character discussion.

Okay, i can't argue against wanting Waluigi, but Goku, seriously? You can't just want any random character, or maybe you can, but pushing for it over any other worthy newcomers is wrong, specially if it didn't even originate from a video game.
It's not wrong at all. This is what I'm talking about. People harshly judging others for not fitting someone's arbitrary standard. No, there is not a problem with wanting a character unironically no matter if they're a game character or not.
 

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He was the main character of one of the Fire Emblem games. Not even comparable. Compare that to spin-off sports games.
Multiple spin-off sports games, some where he has bigger roles than others. Waluigi, for all intensive purposes, is the spin-off character. Giving him his own game would take away what's so special about him.
 

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It's also the fact she starred in main games like Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run.
This has zero relevance to her being playable. She was popular and easy to Echo. That's it. Both of those did nothing to help her out in the first place.

Sakurai does not care about mainline games only. That's a bad misconception and has never actually been something he legitimately spoken of.
 

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Okay, i can't argue against wanting Waluigi, but Goku, seriously? You can't just want any random character, or maybe you can, but pushing for it over any other worthy newcomers is wrong, specially if it didn't even originate from a video game.
Ok this is kinda silly logic here. Who are you to tell other people who they can or cannot want in smash ultimate? You say pushing for a less “worthy” newcomers over more “worthy “newcomers is somehow “ wrong” is also ridiculous. What makes a potential newcomer less or more worthy? The answer is entirely subjective.
 

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He doesn't need to star in a game(which he did, for the record, as Mario Party 3 and Dance Dance Revolution, his two story roles, are not sports games in any way) to be popular or have a cultural impact. People know him because he's that damn popular and showed up a lot. There was a ton of backlash for him not being in 7. That says a lot about his impact.

Though yeah, if you believe a character needs to star in their own game(Waluigi's major roles were not the true starring role) in a non-spin-off to get in, that's fair. But that doesn't mean people accept that as a good answer. If you apply that to every single character, which is the only reason it should be applied to Waluigi, a major Mario series character(just like Toad), you need to remove quite a few as is, especially if you consider when they were added; no Ganondorf, Bowser, Sheik(Zelda starred in a CD-i game), Jigglypuff, Pikachu(neither starred in games yet, though maybe it was Pokemon Yellow?), Falco, Wolf, Daisy... and I could go frankly on. It's an arbitrary reason that needs to be applicable to everyone first if you're going to seriously care about something as silly as "wasn't in a mainline game", which frankly is so beyond arbitrary it doesn't matter in the first place.

Waluigi is popular non-ironically. If he isn't playable, it's either Nintendo stopping Sakurai or being unable to make a really good moveset(Daisy had the Echo fighter going on more than anything. She has few stand out abilities anymore than Waluigi does, and he can swim in the air as is, plus is the original Mario Sports Character. Daisy was literally nothing more than a Peach recolor and had no differences till the spin-offs later added her flower abilities).


I'm not sure what the issue is, though? They're popular characters. Their fanbases get discussed.

I can see a case to ban discussion for the same reason we don't allow non-game 3rd party Support Threads(namely due to controversy), but if there's no case to be made, then it's frankly not worth worrying about. Let them discuss it in peace and be civil about it. Just like with any other character discussion.


It's not wrong at all. This is what I'm talking about. People harshly judging others for not fitting someone's arbitrary standard. No, there is not a problem with wanting a character unironically no matter if they're a game character or not.

Completely honest, I wish more users here had your outlook on things. Too much unnecessary negativity and antagonism of other people.
 

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Everyone knows Sakurai put Daisy in the game so we’d be haunted by Hi I’m Daisy taunts forever
 

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For as anti-leak as Nintendo has been with this direct so far, it'd just be asking for it if they waited until Thursday. I feel like it wouldn't be their best move.

And I feel like the blog might be on hold if there actually was information on Smash in the direct. I could see them already having it planned out to cover an Echo Fighter, stage, or assist trophy revealed in the Direct.
 

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It's not wrong at all. This is what I'm talking about. People harshly judging others for not fitting someone's arbitrary standard. No, there is not a problem with wanting a character unironically no matter if they're a game character or not.
In that case i'm rooting for Melvin the Elephant and anyone who tells me he can't be in Smash is being harsh towards me.

>iconic af
>is from a big company
>moveset potential

*MELVIN KRISPS THE COMPETITION* LE'TS GO BOYS
 
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