Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Shroob]

I'm not saying the Karate Joe leak is real, because it most likely isn't, but you cannot call it 'debunked' yet for one simple reason.


"What 'debunks' it?"


The use of an old OS? That's not unheard of in Japan.

The off camera SS? Maybe.


Debunking a leak means you have proof that it's fake due to a glaring issue in it.


The fact that the person has ridiculously extensive knowledge of the Japan-exclusive GBA title makes me believe that, if this is fake, the person who made this was Japanese. The fact that they included the game's sticker sheet, which I doubt people who are even hardcore fans of RH know existed, is a really nice touch.


That, and they went out of their way to learn about what kind of file hosting website that the Smash site uses, so again, props to them for doing extensive research. This is THE best looking fake yet.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

nothing about pushdustins post proved to me its fake but idk lol

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

That series icon definitely was, if anything. There is no way an icon is gonna look THAT terribly designed. Like what is it even supposed to represent?

I’m just gonna take it and say your a joke account

 

[Pakky]

So, Karate Joe in the lead?

 

[Zathura]

That series icon definitely was, if anything. There is no way an icon is gonna look THAT terribly designed. Like what is it even supposed to represent?

It’s a music note, it works well enough representing a rhythm game, although I have to admit it still looks messy compared to other series icons

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

We say "this is the best fake leak yet" on the daily it's become meaningless.

 

[Will]

We say "this is the best fake leak yet" on the daily it's become meaningless.

No we don't what are you on about?
Most leaks are garbage.

 

[Potato_]

It'd make this post pretty funny in hindsight.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

He's so confident in this being fake despite the fact that it lacks a real "smoking gun" that most fake leaks have. It'd be pretty awkward if this was real.

That being said, I still don't understand what the icon is supposed to be at all.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m just gonna take it and say your a joke account

That's like saying Zinith isn't a real Yoshi. And I will find out the truth.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Nintendo: Hey can we get some more songs for FF in Smash?
Square:

(Actually three because Cloud’s victory theme is the only one that’s a proper looping music track, but everyone forgets that)

 

[Chrono.]

It’s a music note, it works well enough representing a rhythm game, although I have to admit it still looks messy

If it was just the cloud, I think it would've been fine.

The music note looks weirdly plastered in there.

But I'm no graphic designer so what do I know.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

It’s a music note, it works well enough representing a rhythm game, although I have to admit it still looks messy compared to other series icons

it will probaly look better over a background thats not white

 

[Pakky]

That's like saying Zinith isn't a real Yoshi. And I will find out the truth.

I've been watching your guy, he's pretty good.

 

[The_Naraotor]

Can we talk about F-zero and Earthbound ? Because with all those Vilains vs Heroes theme going on lately, I think either Black Shadow or Deathborn would be awesome for F-Zero and Claus or Giygas for Earthbound. Of course the Blackknight for Fire Emblem is a get go too.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

No we don't what are you on about?
Most leaks are garbage.

Me and you know that but we can't convince everybody.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So this is random but...
what are the years between 1980 and 2015 that don't have a rep in smash yet?

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[Ultinarok]

So we just mentioned the music and how there's a pretty sad selection of FF music. I thought people might enjoy this topic; what should the FF music selection be if they weren't so picky over it? I'll post a list (with links!); let me know if you guys have any different feelings:

Final Fantasy 1 Medley
Final Fantasy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUAsbFYnFIo

Take stuff from that; FF1 needs included but has a limited selection of music so it's best suited for a medley

Medley de Chocobo
Final Fantasy series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWOgOLvM7Yo

It's basically the same song in different styles, could make something interesting and lighthearted out of a pretty iconic series staple. Smash loves medleys so I figured I better include two.

Main Theme
Final Fantasy VII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zib5Il3bc20

J - E - N - O - V - A
Final Fantasy VII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ijjuvQMW8

One Winged Angel
Final Fantasy VII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDD-iYkHBhc

Since we're representing FFVII directly, we should include some of the more memorable tracks from it, no? I'm also obviously assuming we keep the two we do have so that would be 5 tracks from FFVII in total which appropriately is more than any other single FF is getting.

Boss Battle
Final Fantasy IV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT803dOa_TY

The Dreadful Fight
Final Fantasy IV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKnd8qyX5wk

I think these two tracks are by far the most memorable from one of the most popular FFs on a Nintendo console.

Clash on the Big Bridge
Final Fantasy V

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JnXdfoYpY

FFV only gets one because it's a lower key FF, but this is probably the single most popular piece of music in the franchise. Easy inclusion.

Terra's Theme
Final Fantasy VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgwVSDAmP4

The Decisive Battle
Final Fantasy VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMd6V1IOJ5k

Searching for Friends
Final Fantasy VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96wnpkcZIYw

Dancing Mad (Final Tier)
Final Fantasy VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNq-8IBerXQ

I limited myself to four FFVI tracks even though honestly you could take like 15 from the game and it would work out because it's the best OST in the main series by far and also the most popular FF for a Nintendo console. I think these four largely speak to what the game was and are all independently outstanding pieces. While we're at it, Terra as a Cloud echo? She can go into esper form when Limit is full; it works...

Rebel Army
Final Fantasy II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5it_NVQkJk

We needed something else NES, and this is probably the most memorable piece from FFII. It also fills the hole in my heart from not including Edgar and Sabin's theme from FFVI.

Man with a Machine Gun
Final Fantasy VIII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0WdQDPRwb4

I don't want to include much from later FFs since both they're really non-Nintendo and because they stop really being the same series after FFX anyway. I actually am only putting one in, probably the best piece of music from the back half of the FF series.

Chrono Trigger
Chrono Trigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFiolJj79I

Frog's Theme
Chrono Trigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VXzhZwfCZs

This game might as well be a Final Fantasy (Square SNES ATB based RPG), and it also had a god tier OST. I think these two are overall the two most memorable tracks from that game.

That Person's Name Is
Bravely Default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5jHVehUi6A

I wasn't including newer FFs proper, but it would be unacceptable not to include the best track from what is both a Nintendo based game and the game that was the beginning of Square making games like Final Fantasy again.

I did feel kinda bad not including FFIII at all (it's just fairly obscure), and I could see a good argument for something at least from FFIX and FFX and that maybe I was just too SNES heavy in general (it's just hard to argue with how good all of that stuff is and it's all on a Nintendo platform). Either way what I have plus the two we started with would put us at 19 which I think is about the correct number?

Music from FF?
All of it. Trying to pick and choose would be nearly impossible.

They should just put in the fanmade "Great Final Fantasy Medley", its amazing. Search it up on Youtube. If you're a fan, it'll hit home pretty hard.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

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Okay thank you
Though You did Miss my Boi ... He should be in 1999

 

[Zathura]

If it was just the cloud, I think it would've been fine.

The music note looks weirdly plastered in there.

But I'm no graphic designer so what do I know.

it will probaly look better over a background thats not white

Yeah it looks weird because of the way it uses negative space, idk why the music note wouldn’t be inside the cloud instead, no other emblem does this I think.

 

[Deleted member]

It’s a music note, it works well enough representing a rhythm game, although I have to admit it still looks messy compared to other series icons

Okay, I now see the music note, and it still looks absolutely atrocious. It'd look even more messy when you're playing a match. It'd look like some weird shapes without having an outline around the entire thing to make it look like there's an actual music note there.

 

[Abha]

Can we talk about F-zero and Earthbound ? Because with all those Vilains vs Heroes theme going on lately, I think either Black Shadow or Deathborn would be awesome for F-Zero and Claus or Giygas for Earthbound. Of course the Blackknight for Fire Emblem is a get go too.

As much as I have advocated for Black Shadow the whole "Heroes Vs Villain" theme isn't really a thing I can get behind existing until we see what "Spirits" is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY2zdIsKaI

 

[Chrono.]

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Well Skull Kid would fit 2000 well.

 

[Zathura]

Okay, I now see the music note, and it still looks absolutely atrocious. It'd look even more messy when you're playing a match. It'd look like some weird shapes without having an outline around the entire thing to make it look like there's an actual music note there.

Definitely agree there

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Well Skull Kid would fit 2000 well.

And Chrous Kids would fit 2008 well

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

The rhythm leak also doesn't use lighting that is consistent with the rest of the object images on the site. It's not just the emblem that gives it away.

 

[Chrono.]

Yeah, whether it's fake or not, I think we can all agree the emblem is horribly designed.

 

[dezeray112]

Can we talk about F-zero and Earthbound ? Because with all those Vilains vs Heroes theme going on lately, I think either Black Shadow or Deathborn would be awesome for F-Zero and Claus or Giygas for Earthbound. Of course the Blackknight for Fire Emblem is a get go too.

Well for F-Zero villains wise, my picks would be Pico, Zoda, Black Shadow and Deathborn.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well Skull Kid would fit 2000 well.

And Chrous Kids would fit 2008 well

Yeah, I’m looking at this blank for 2011 for my most wanted too...

 

[ZoroCarlos]

I hate if this makes me appear like a sellout, but since Golisopod is relevant because of today's leak I thought I'd share this thing I drew yesterday.

Spoiler

It was only literally last week which made me realize how awesome Golisopod (and Guzma) would be as a fighter

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Viridi has a thirst that can only be quenched by anime pretty boys, obviously.

Plus a Pit...though she doesn’t seem to like Ike as much

 

[Captain Shwampy]

i dont think that lighting consistency argument matters at all

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE. NINTENDO, WHERE'S THE DIRECT?!?!?!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't think Nintendo are going to announce anything until the weekend is over in the least

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I hate if this makes me appear like a sellout, but since Golisopod is relevant because of today's leak I thought I'd share this thing I drew yesterday.

Spoiler

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It was only literally last week which made me realize how awesome Golisopod (and Guzma) would be as a fighter

That’s great man.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I don't think Nintendo are going to announce anything until the weekend is over in the least

At the earliest, it'll be late Sunday since it'll be Monday in Japan.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Nintendo is letting people handle the Spider-Man hype before they drop Smash hype

 

[Chrono.]

Nintendo is letting people handle the Spider-Man hype before they drop Smash hype

Can't have hype if I don't have the game.

cries

 

[potato69]

Are the chances of the Karate Joe leak being real lowered due to the RH icon being used in a much less believable "leak" (the one with golisopod)? I personally think that the golisopod leak was someone latching on to the newest semi-believable leak for their 5-minutes of fame.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

All from Smash Wiki. I hope I didn’t miss any, but I’m on my phone...

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Hmmm We need more years represented...Here, Let's add a couple

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Any Ideas For 1982, 1988, 2003, 2011, or 2014?

 

[Chrono.]

Are the chances of the Karate Joe leak being real lowered due to the RH icon being used in a much less believable "leak" (the one with golisopod)? I personally think that the golisopod leak was someone latching on to the newest semi-believable leak for their 5-minutes of fame.

Yeah the Golisopod hoax has a couple things wrong.

Notably the Golisopod render is just ripped from Citra and the fighter order is wrong.