Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Krysco]

Being the anime is severely notable more than any other official animation among any series in Smash, what's the issue here? Pokemon is popular because of both the anime and games. Many only learned of it via the anime. It makes a ton of sense.

Smash was never about canon, and it has nothing to do with the Pokemon examples. It's a non-canon crossover itself meant to be interesting. Now them stating glaringly untrue things in Trophies(and again, the Pokemon examples don't count in either case since the Anime is severely well known and it makes sense to reference them here and there, especially since Sakurai considers the anime his gateway into figuring out good character choices, though not for all, but for multiple ones), and that's a bigger issue in itself. Though sometimes that's a localization factor, like the whole relationship between King K. Rool and Kaptian K. Rool. They're the same person in one region, and family in another. Though at least they didn't have to deal with the Eggman/Robotnik issue. I'm trying to think of some blatantly false facts they've had, though. Whether it's incorrect release dates for the games, something that isn't a localization problem(which means it's not false entirely, just something that was arguably done wrong for the localization. It's arguable, to be clear, because some people might like the changes in the other region more than the original version).

2 examples come to mind but one is a localization issue:
1. The Black Knight trophy from Brawl "One of Daein's Four Riders and wielder of the blessed sword Ettard. Once an apprentice to Ike's father, Greil, the two eventually duel, resulting in Greil's defeat. Thought to be dead after losing to Ike and the blessed sword Ragnell, the Black Knight survives and comes to the aid of Micaiah, the leader of the Dawn Brigade, a band of Daein freedom fighters." His sword is called the Ettard in Japan while outside (or at least in the NTSC version), it's called Alondite. To make matters even more confusing, Ike got a unique sword in Radiant Dawn that the NTSC version calls Ettard and the Japanese version calls Alondite. And the 2 swords aren't related at all.

2. The Sothe trophy, also from Brawl "A skilled swordsman, thief, and member of the Dawn Brigade, a band of freedom fighters operating out of the old Daein capital, Nevassa. Although not related to Micaiah, the light-magic-dealing leader of the Dawn Brigade, he was raised like a brother and considers her safety his top priority. He grows from boy to young man between "Path of Radiance" and "Radiant Dawn."" Sothe does not use swords at all. Not in PoR, not in RD and there's no mention of him having any knowledge on how to use a sword. He uses daggers and knives in combat instead. That being said, in most FE games, thieves and rogues do use swords since most FE games don't even bother to have knives.

And the only reason I remember those 2 specifically is because they're about my favourite game

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

The winner of the last poll was Lip. That one was fairly one sided in general. Diskun, Urban Champion, and Mr Stevenston were the losers respectively.

Next up may possibly be the last retro poll before there's a separate Pro Wrestling one (since not everyone will agree with Fighter Hayabusa). Your choices are Alice from Balloon Kid, Goku from Yuyuki (NOT the Dragon Ball one), Ayumi Tachibana from Famicom Detective Club, and Hakkun from Sutte Hakkun.

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And go.

 

[Diddy Kong]

We reached 400 pages, but still no reveal of Smash Switch. The next question is obvious to all then; WHEN will IT happen?!

 

[N3ON]

We reached 400 pages, but still no reveal of Smash Switch. The next question is obvious to all then; WHEN will IT happen?!

Kinda makes this whole section seem premature, dunnit?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

No. We have to argue now so we know who to support before all the crowds get in.

 

[N3ON]

No. We have to argue now so we know who to support before all the crowds get in.

Oh well let me know when we've reached a consensus. We must be close now, we've been at it for like two years.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Kinda makes this whole section seem premature, dunnit?

Sometimes. But it was more to let people have fun than to outright acknowledge the idea it's coming anywhere near soon(we barely had an idea it was coming due to a thing Reggae said, which was an implication it was going to exist). That's kind of it.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Oh well let me know when we've reached a consensus. We must be close now, we've been at it for like two years.

But I've only been back for about a month. You've been at a disadvantage.

 

[N3ON]

Sometimes. But it was more to let people have fun than to outright acknowledge the idea it's coming anywhere near soon(we barely had an idea it was coming due to a thing Reggae said, which was an implication it was going to exist). That's kind of it.

Irie.

 

[Freduardo]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".


Here's mine:

Super Mario: Pauline
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokémon: Lycanroc
F-Zero: Black Falcon
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Game & Watch: Chef
Kid Icarus: Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Diskun
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): Wild Gunman
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Ghosts
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne

Here goes:

Super Mario: Fawful
Donkey Kong: K. Rool
Zelda: Vaati
Metroid: Weevil
Yoshi: Yarn Yoshi & Poochy (Duo character)
Kirby: Bandanna Waddle Dee
Star Fox: Pigma Dengar
Pokémon: Rampardos
F-Zero: Pico
Earthbound: Porky
Fire Emblem: Alvis
Game & Watch: Zelda Watch and Game
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Wario: Captain Syrup
Pikmin: Louie
Famicom: Ice Hockey player (change size as a move)
Animal Crossing: KK Slider
Wii Fit: Added Mii moveset: Fitness (moves from Wii Fit)
Punch Out!: Bald Bull
Xenoblade: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt: Mike Anderson (Battleclash series. I promoted the NES Zapper to the super scope.)
Sonic: Knuckles
Mega Man: Zero
Pac Man: Galaga ship (He uses it as a move, it’s part of his franchise)
Street Fighter: M Bison (Not the Boxer)
Final Fantasy: Kefka Palazzo
Bayonetta: Jeanne

 

[Deleted member]

Congratulations to four hundred pages! I love this thread! <3

Being a Flying type, Charizard should probably have more mobility in the air and a better recovery. However, because of his weight and size, this would be very hard to do without making him incredibly OP.

Same thing with Ridley here. If you're going to add a heavyweight character who's hard to launch off the stage, the best way you can compensate for this is by giving them mediocre or limited recovery options. Even with his wings, giving Ridley a lot of mobility would be difficult to implement without making him very unbalanced.

You know, Charizard should not be a large heavyweight and fighter. Charizard should probably be kind of a heavyweight instead of a superweight. Also Charizard does need a lot more mobility and a better recovery, but that could be broken. Then again, they managed to make Bowser and DK viable. DK is very mobile actually, and I am sure they can do the same to Ridley. Ridley does not have to be heavier than Bower either, I mean he looks like a bony tall dragon. While I disagree with adding Ridley all together, I am sure they can make Ridley work as a character. They just have to make Ridley smaller the next Metroid game.

Edit: Look at Charizard's weight compared to Mewtwo's!
Charizard:

Mewtwo:

Smash Brothers weight and size do not make sense indeed.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".


Here's mine:

Super Mario: Pauline
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokémon: Lycanroc
F-Zero: Black Falcon
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Game & Watch: Chef
Kid Icarus: Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Diskun
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): Wild Gunman
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Ghosts
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne

Ok, challenge accepted!

• Super Mario: Paper Mario

• Donkey Kong: King K. Rool

• Legend of Zelda: Vaati

• Metroid: Ridley

• Yoshi: Kamek

• Kirby: Magalor

• Star Fox/Lylat Wars: Wolf

• Pokémon: Decidueye

• F-Zero: Samurai Goroh

• Earthbound/Mother: Porky/Pokey Minch

• Fire Emblem: Leif

• Game & Watch: Fire

• Kid Icarus: Hades

• Warioware/Wario Land: Mona Pizza

• Pikmin: Louie

• Famicom: Yuyuki Goku

• Animal Crossing: K.K Slider

• Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board

• Punch-Out!!: Great Tiger

• Xenoblade: Rex & Pyra

• Duck Hunt: Wild Gunman

• Sonic: Dr. Eggman

• Mega Man/Rock Man: Bass

• Pac-Man: Ms. Pac Man

• Street Fighter: Chun Li

• Final Fantasy: Bartz Klauser

• Bayonetta: Loki

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

• Bayonetta: Loki

Not gonna lie, for a second there I thought you meant Marvel's Loki

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

Not gonna lie, for a second there I thought you meant Marvel's Loki

Only for a Marvel all-star video game would I recommend that Loki.

 

[HelloSpy]

6 things I want for Smash 5.

1. Minor bowser jr. buff
2. King K. Rool
3. Miles Tails Prower
4. Bomberman
5. Captain Toad
6. Minor debuffs to Cloud and Diddy Kong

Honestly I've been talking on here so much that I haven't mentioned many things I want. So here they are.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".


Here's mine:

Super Mario: Pauline
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokémon: Lycanroc
F-Zero: Black Falcon
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Game & Watch: Chef
Kid Icarus: Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Diskun
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): Wild Gunman
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Ghosts
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne

I want to give a shot at it!

Super Mario: Captain Toad or Waluigi
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda:
Metroid: Ridley ( IDK )
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokemon: Tapu Koko or Decuideye
F-Zero: Dark Shadow
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn or Chrom
Game and Watch: Chef ( IDK )
Kid Icarus: Viridi or Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Professor Hector ( IDK )
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board ( IDK )
Punch-Out: King Hippo or Bald Bull
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex, Pyra or Mythra
Duck Hunt: Wild Gunman ( IDK )
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Mrs. Pac-Man
Street Fighter: Ken or Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne ( IDK )

I apologize for not knowing some of these, but here is my attempt.

 

[Troykv]

OK lemme try:

Mario: Petey Piranha
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Star Fox: Leon Powalski
Pokemon: Pheromosa
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Mother: Kumatora
Fire Emblem: Micaiah
Game & Watch: Chef
Wario: Captain Syrup
Kid Icarus: Viridi
Pikmin: Alph. If he's not allowed, Louie.
R.O.B.: Professor Hector
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Balance Board
Punch-Out!!: Soda Popinski
Xenoblade: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt: Gumshoe from Hogan's Alley.
Sonic: Cream
Mega Man: Roll
PAC-MAN: MRS. PAC-MAN
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
FINAL FANTASY: Warriors of Light. If spin-offs of the series are to be counted, then Agnes Oblige from the Bravely series.
Bayonetta: Jeanne

Super Mario: Geno
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Vaati
Metroid: Ridley or a Federation Force Soilder
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Krystal
Pokémon: Sandslash
F-Zero: Jody (Or Judy) Summers
EarthBound: Kumatora
Fire Emblem: Michiah *Micaiah
Game & Watch: Possibly a Ms. Game And Watch of some kind that focuses on the games Mr. Game And Watch doesn't have in his moveset.
Kid Icarus: Hades
WarioWare: Mona
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: This may be strange, but I would want Diskun.
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: N/A
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): N/A
Sonic: Knuckles
Mega Man: Megaman.EXE
Pac-Man: Blinky, he's the most popular Pac-Man ghost.
Street Fighter: Guile
Final Fantasy: Squall
Bayonetta: N/A
Metal Gear: Raiden

Yesh! <3

 

[Chron]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".

Super Mario: Bowyer
Donkey Kong: Funky Kong
Legend of Zelda: Medli
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Peppy
Pokémon: Gallade
EarthBound: Kumatora
Fire Emblem: FELICIA
WarioWare: Ashley
Animal Crossing: Resetti
Punch-Out!!: Soda Popinski
Xenoblade Chronicles: Pyra(or Rex with Blades)
Sonic: Shadow
Mega Man: Proto Man
Street Fighter: Ibuki
Final Fantasy: Terra

 

[PsychoJosh]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".


Here's mine:

Super Mario: Pauline
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokémon: Lycanroc
F-Zero: Black Falcon
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Game & Watch: Chef
Kid Icarus: Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Diskun
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): Wild Gunman
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Ghosts
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne

Eh, whatever, let me give this a try.

Mario: Daisy, I guess
Donkey Kong: Funky Kong
Zelda: Midna
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Don't care
Kirby: Don't care
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokemon: Don't care
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Earthbound: Kumatora
Fire Emblem: Don't care
Game & Watch: Don't care
Kid Icarus: Hades, I guess
Pikmin: Don't care
Famicom: Mach Rider
Animal Crossing: Don't care
Punch-Out: King Hippo
Xenoblade: Don't care
Duck Hunt: Don't care
Sonic: Dr. Eggman
Megaman: Roll
Pac-Man: Ms. Pac-Man
Street Fighter: Hugo
Final Fantasy: Terra
Bayonetta: Rodin

 

[Megadoomer]

Mario: Captain Toad
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool
Zelda: Midna
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandanna Waddle Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokemon: Genesect
F-Zero: Black Shadow
Earthbound: Porky
Fire Emblem: Black Knight (I know next to nothing about Fire Emblem outside of Awakening, so he was the first that came to mind)
Game & Watch: Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight was released on the Game & Watch)
Wario: Captain Syrup
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Pikmin: Plasm Wraith
Famicom: Sukapon
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: I'm not even sure if other options exist for this series
Punch-Out: Mr. Sandman (Title Defense Sandman is the closest that we can get to Mike Tyson)
Xenoblade: Elma
Duck Hunt (Zapper): Gumshoe
Sonic: Dr. Eggman
Megaman: Zero
Pac-Man: Ms. Pac-Man
Street Fighter: M. Bison
Final Fantasy: Terra
Bayonetta: Rodin

 

[GolisoPower]

So far in Cosmic77 ’s challenge, I’m seeing a lot of Chun-Li in terms of Street Fighter picks.

Now I don’t care whether or not she gets in but imo, if any other SF character gets in, they would have to retain their traditional inputs like Ryu does. And in Street Fighter, Chun-Li uses charge inputs (Meaning you tilt the joystick in a certain direction for a solid second before tilting it to the opposite direction and pressing the designated attack button) for many of her specials, some of which share the same joystick motion. For a game like Smash Bros, I don’t know how I’d implement charge inputs without making it frustrating if hypothetically Chun-Li made it in.

 

[Deleted member]

So far in Cosmic77 ’s challenge, I’m seeing a lot of Chun-Li in terms of Street Fighter picks.

Now I don’t care whether or not she gets in but imo, if any other SF character gets in, they would have to retain their traditional inputs like Ryu does. And in Street Fighter, Chun-Li uses charge inputs (Meaning you tilt the joystick in a certain direction for a solid second before tilting it to the opposite direction and pressing the designated attack button) for many of her specials, some of which share the same joystick motion. For a game like Smash Bros, I don’t know how I’d implement charge inputs without making it frustrating if hypothetically Chun-Li made it in.

I'd say limit the charge motions to her Spinning Bird Kick (charge down + up) like the Capcom Vs. games tend to do. I don't see side charging working well if it were implemented in Smash, honestly.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Oh, we're doing a thing. Guess I'll try.

Super Mario: Metal Mario
Donkey Kong: Donkey Kong Jr
The Legend of Zelda: Toon Zelda
Metroid: Sylux
Yoshi: Baby Mario
Wario: Waluigi
Kirby: Adeleine
Star Fox: Wolf & Andross
Pokemon: Pichu & Gengar
EarthBound/Mother: Ninten
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem: Camilla
Pikmin: Louie/Brittany
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Sonic The Hedgehog: E-102 Gamma
Mega Man: Bass
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Xenoblade: Rex & Pyra
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: Terra
Bayonetta: Enzo (lolololol)

We reached 400 pages, but still no reveal of Smash Switch. The next question is obvious to all then; WHEN will IT happen?!

I could wait as long as 2020, provided it's something that will blow me away. I don't want just another sequel. I want something made from scratch. New ways to fight, new ways to play, and I want everyone made from scratch. Not just updated Brawl models like in Smash for Wii U.

I want more characters. I don't just want the all-stars, I want obscure ones. Golden Sun, Famicom Detective Club, Mysterious Murasame Castle, Chibi-Robo (obvious those aren't on equal levels, but you get the idea).

I believe the focus of characters should first and foremost be about the big sellers and the characters that the fans love most more than just the ones with merits. But I also believe there should be a fair share of gem characters. There are also characters who aren't necessarily popular, but are well earned like Andross, Donkey Kong Jr, Pauline, Paper Mario, Samurai Goroh, and Starfy.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I could wait as long as 2020, provided it's something that will blow me away. I don't want just another sequel. I want something made from scratch. New ways to fight, new ways to play, and I want everyone made from scratch. Not just updated Brawl models like in Smash for Wii U.

I want more characters. I don't just want the all-stars, I want obscure ones. Golden Sun, Famicom Detective Club, Mysterious Murasame Castle, Chibi-Robo (obvious those aren't on equal levels, but you get the idea).

I believe the focus of characters should first and foremost be about the big sellers and the characters that the fans love most more than just the ones with merits. But I also believe there should be a fair share of gem characters. There are also characters who aren't necessarily popular, but are well earned like Andross, Donkey Kong Jr, Pauline, Paper Mario, Samurai Goroh, and Starfy.

>Paper Mario
>not popular

wut

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Here's a challenge for everyone. Try to add one newcomer (or cut veteran) to each of the 27 franchises currently in Smash. You can add whoever you want and it doesn't have to be someone likely to get in. The only rule is that is that the character you choose has to be from a game that's already released. You can't just say "Pokémon from Gen VIII" or "Fire Emblem Switch character".


Here's mine:

Super Mario: Pauline
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Legend of Zelda: Mipha
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Wolf
Pokémon: Lycanroc
F-Zero: Black Falcon
EarthBound: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Game & Watch: Chef
Kid Icarus: Medusa
WarioWare: Ashley
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Diskun
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Wii Fit: Wii Fit Board
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Rex & Pyra
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): Wild Gunman
Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Ghosts
Street Fighter: Ken
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne

Super Mario Bros: Waluigi
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Revali
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Kamek
Wario: Ashley
Star Fox: Wolf
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Pokémon: Mimikyu
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem: Lyn
EarthBound: N/A
Kid Icarus: Either revised Dark Pit or someone like say Viridi.
Pikmin: Louie
Punch-Out: N/A
Xenoblade: Rex/Pyra
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Game & Watch: N/A
Sonic the Hedgehog: - Edit to acknowledge someone I missed - Tails.
Wii Fit: N/A
Street Fighter: M. Bison
Final Fantasy: Sephiroth
Bayonetta: Rodin
Duck Hunt: N/A
Gyromite: Armads.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Would Reckless Safety Notice Man work for Wii Fit Trainer's franchise?

 

[Deleted member]

No.

That joke that should never been allowed to get as far as it did and should stay dead doesn't count for ANY franchise.

 

[NintenRob]

I suppose I'll have a go at this


Super Mario Bros: King Boo
Donkey Kong: King K Rool
The Legend of Zelda: Skull Kid
Metroid: Ridley
Yoshi: Baby Mario
Wario: Ashley
Star Fox: Wolf
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Pokémon: Decidueye
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem: Lyn
EarthBound: Ninten
Kid Icarus: Hades
Pikmin: Louie
Punch-Out: Sandman
Xenoblade: Rex/Pyra
Animal Crossing: Isabelle
Game & Watch: Mrs. Game & Watch
Sonic the Hedgehog: Tails
Wii Fit: Wii Balance Board
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: Kefka
Bayonetta: Rodin
Light Gun series: Wild Gunman
Gyromite: Professor Hector
Mega Man: Zero


Did I miss anything.

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only on that hopes Sakurai will develop Smash for Switch? I mean Sakurai made the games how we want it ( he is good with balancing it for the casuals and competitive fans ), and he is right about Ridley. Ridley should be a boss instead of a character in my opinion. Just learn that Ridley is too big to be implemented in Smash for Switch, unless Metroid Prime 4 makes Ridley a lot smaller for him to be a fighter.

Then again, Sakurai works so hard in these games that I feel bad for him.

No.

That joke that should never been allowed to get as far as it did and should stay dead doesn't count for ANY franchise.

I am so glad someone said this, thanks Golden.

 

[PsychoJosh]

No he's not right. I really hope we get someone else to direct the game other than him.

Sakurai adds too many troll-y things to the game and doesn't seem to understand or WANT to understand anything about competitive play. I'd say everything good about the game is due to the team and not necessarily due to his direction.

If Ridley is a big character, so what? Just let him be big. Giant characters exist in other fighting games, there can be one in this one too.

 

[Staarih]

I honestly don’t care who directs the next Smash as long as we get one asap haha! Though some new points of view would definitely be welcome and interesting to see, and I guess it would be good for Sakurai himself to take a backseat anyway. He does know all the nooks and crannies of Smash though, probably more so than we can even realize, so some sort of supportive/consulting role for him would work best imo while someone else was in charge of actual directing, as long as the whole team is open for new ideas.

Oh and as far as Ridley goes, as much as I support him, a new director won’t magically make it happen. I personally think it’s possible and a new face would probably have a new look at the situation but you never know about these things. What I do know is it’s silly to say ”just accept it’s not gonna happen” as it’s impossible to know how things go down.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Super Mario: Toad
Donkey Kong: King K.Rool
Legend of Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Anthony Higgs
Yoshi: Yarn Yoshi
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Krystal (sry Wolf)
Pokémon: Blaziken, Sceptile or Blastoise can't choose
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
EarthBound: Poo
Fire Emblem: Lyn, Alm or Celica
Game & Watch: ??? (tbh Mr.Game & Watch himself was already pretty 'out there')
Kid Icarus: Hades
WarioWare: Mr.T
Pikmin: Alph
Famicom: Takamaru
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook
Wii Fit: ?????
Punch-Out!!: King Hippo
Xenoblade Chronicles: Err Rex?
Duck Hunt (or any game to use NES Zapper): ????
Sonic: Knuckles I guess
Mega Man: Zero?
Pac-Man: ?????
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: Black Mage
Bayonetta: ????

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Irie.

This is the best thing ever!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The biggest problem is knowing that the developers nerfed certain fighters down to a level that no one ever asked for. Just look at what happened to Dedede and Falco.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Giant characters do not work properly in Smash settings. "Let Ridley be big" is not really a compromise at all. It doesn't work for balance and for good reasons isn't an option. It might be remotely fun as part of a boss mode, but a normal playable Ridley has to be significantly smaller.

As for Sakurai, he actually balanced the first 3 games himself. While Smash 64 turned out well, Melee and Brrawl did not. Melee is easily more balanced than Brawl due to having lots of actual options to keep more characters viable, but it still has obvious issues. Smash 4 has some significantly better balancing as is, with a lot more help. Note that I'm sure Sakurai had some help for the first 3 games, but it's not to the same degree. As it's noted, he has hand problems due to overtesting balance himself way too often. Unfortunately, he doesn't have extreme trust in his team(though he clearly has gotten better at this as shown with him hiring a team to help him in 4).

 

[PsychoJosh]

Giant characters do not work properly in Smash settings. "Let Ridley be big" is not really a compromise at all. It doesn't work for balance and for good reasons isn't an option. It might be remotely fun as part of a boss mode, but a normal playable Ridley has to be significantly smaller.

Ordinarily yes, if we're talking about porting him over to the currently existing Smash games, but if a new game is made with the consideration that there will be larger characters, there will be ways to work around this limitation. Characters, gameplay and stages can be balanced to accomodate large characters, and changes in the current characters' sizes and hitboxes could be made as well. The way giant characters work in other games, their hitboxes don't always literally match the size of their meshes - their hitboxes sometimes match those of characters with smaller models so as not to break things. This enables characters like Hugo in USF4 to crouch Sagat's high fireballs despite his model being so large that his face appears to be directly in their path.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Giant characters do not work properly in Smash settings. "Let Ridley be big" is not really a compromise at all. It doesn't work for balance and for good reasons isn't an option. It might be remotely fun as part of a boss mode, but a normal playable Ridley has to be significantly smaller.

To add to this, there's a good reason why Giga Bowser is merely a Final Smash transformation, as his huge size also grants him a larger attack range. Sure, a gigantic fighter is a bigger target, but that pretty much becomes irrelevant when that very fighter can make KOs in a matter of seconds.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ordinarily yes, if we're talking about porting him over to the currently existing Smash games, but if a new game is made with the consideration that there will be larger characters, there will be ways to work around this limitation. Characters, gameplay and stages can be balanced to accomodate large characters, and changes in the current characters' sizes and hitboxes could be made as well. The way giant characters work in other games, their hitboxes don't always literally match the size of their meshes - their hitboxes sometimes match those of characters with smaller models so as not to break things. This enables characters like Hugo in USF4 to crouch Sagat's high fireballs despite his model being so large that his face appears to be directly in their path.

That's a severe change that still doesn't work that well. Characters like that are extremely difficult to balance in Smash as is because their huge size only further makes them unfeasible. Too much power, defense, too huge of hitboxes(Giga Bowser is actually awful to play as in Melee. He has very little super armor for a few moves, and is immune to all throws, which furthers make it worse).

The game series, not just some games, is designed for smaller characters. Giant characters work fine in Health Bar situations(which coincidentally, all the giant characters bar Giga Bowser have, and Giga no longer is a boss and is an overpowered(by design, but they clearly did underpower it in 4, but that's more the fact his body slows down due to the attacks) Final Smash to keep this factor in check. There's no way to do it without completely changing how the series work. Giant characters need to have the entire stage list catered to them since some areas in stages are impossible for them to properly be in, and will hit blast zones all the time. Warping the entire game around it is kind of silly. Just make them reasonably sized instead, for proper balance.

To add to this, there's a good reason why Giga Bowser is merely a Final Smash transformation, as his huge size also grants him a larger attack range. Sure, a gigantic fighter is a bigger target, but that pretty much becomes irrelevant when that very fighter can make KOs in a matter of seconds.

This too. It just doesn't work for regular characters. It completely kills balance. It doesn't help that high ranged characters tend to be OP due to range alone.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

This too. It just doesn't work for regular characters. It completely kills balance. It doesn't help that high ranged characters tend to be OP due to range alone.

Yeah, and this isn't just a Smash Bros. issue either, as other fighting franchises have implemented giant fighters as well. Notable examples include Tekken 6's Azazel (ranked one of the cheapest bosses in a fighting game), along with the Great Apes from the Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi titles (most notably, Great Ape Baby, who's arguably the best playable Great Ape in the series).

 

[Cosmic77]

Am I the only on that hopes Sakurai will develop Smash for Switch? I mean Sakurai made the games how we want it ( he is good with balancing it for the casuals and competitive fans ), and he is right about Ridley. Ridley should be a boss instead of a character in my opinion. Just learn that Ridley is too big to be implemented in Smash for Switch, unless Metroid Prime 4 makes Ridley a lot smaller for him to be a fighter.

Not really sure why you drifted back to Ridley after mentioning you wanted Sakurai developing Smash 5. Doesn't seem like Ridley's absence from the roster is one of the larger reasons why some people don't want Sakurai back as the developer.


Although Sakurai has done a grand job directing the Smash games we've had so far, part of me wants to see someone else take the lead just so I can see what a Smash game not directed by Sakurai would look like. Could be better, could be worse, but we're never gonna find out until Nintendo takes a gamble and gives another director a chance to prove himself. I mean, take a look at Odyssey. Miyamoto had little to no influence on that game, and it still turned out fantastic, didn't it?

 

[Freduardo]

Hey, anyone remember Battleclash and it’s sequel on the SNES? Was like the main franchise for the super scope. In think Gunpei Yokoi worked on them.

Because giant mechs make weird characters in fighters, anyone think this game series has a chance of making an appearance either via stages, trophies, or assist trophies?