Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[?????????????]

I think you're missing the fact that every other 3rd Party character has their own stage and Sakurai isn't going to get lazy over this.

Don't Simon and Richter share a stage?

 

[OurBraveHero]

He would count as a Mario rep.

There's a lot of Mario stages.

Okay so then who is the other "Square Rep"? Because if Geno is just a Mario rep then obviously they don't need to be jumping through hoops for Geno, huh?

Don't Simon and Richter share a stage?

Richter is an echo, Sakurai has specified echoes count differently than other reps.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Wow, you just 1up'd my joke. Well done.

It's not over yet, Shulk this one out:

Spoiler

Ok now it's over... maybe.

 

[Mutsukki]

I don't see a world in which Sora gets in and his stage isn't Destiny Islands, Hollow Bastion, or maybe Twilight Town. Even if Disney Castle was on the table, the other locations are more iconic to KH.

Though I'd say the Stained Glass stage from the beginning is not only iconic, but also almost too perfect for Smash

 

[Shroob]

Okay so then who is the other "Square Rep"? Because if Geno is just a Mario rep then obviously they don't need to be jumping through hoops for Geno, huh?



They're echoes, Sakurai has specified echoes count differently than other reps.

Yes, they do need to jump through hoops.


Geno is a Mario character, but he was created by a different company than Nintendo.


They own the rights to Geno, but he's still a "Mario" character, it's basically like a joint ownership.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Okay so then who is the other "Square Rep"? Because if Geno is just a Mario rep then obviously they don't need to be jumping through hoops for Geno, huh?

Geno is both. Doesn't mean a stage is needed when there's a ton of stages that can work fine. Because he's still a Mario character at the end of the day. Being owned by Square-Enix won't change that.

 

[Idon]

Don't Simon and Richter share a stage?

Yeah but they're the same franchise and share the same game setting. Richter hardly counts as an entirely different entity from Simon.

 

[?????????????]

Yeah but they're the same franchise and share the same game setting.

...Like Geno to Mario.

 

[Idon]

...Like Geno to Mario.

Oh, I didn't realize we were arguing this.

Yeah, Geno doesn't need a stage. He's a 3rd party character but he's still from a Mario game.

Now on the other hand, when is Bowser going to get his Goddang lava castle.

 

[Danpal65]

Oh, I didn't realize we were arguing this.

Yeah, Geno doesn't need a stage. He's a 3rd party character but he's still from a Mario game.

Now on the other hand, when is Bowser going to get his Goddang lava castle.

When he can finally pay off the mortgage and settle the court case with his minions for poor working conditions.

 

[Nethermoosen]

When he can finally pay off the mortgage and settle the court case with his minions for poor working conditions.

Bowser and K. Rool have so much in common. They need to have a cross-over.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Oh, I didn't realize we were arguing this.

Yeah, Geno doesn't need a stage. He's a 3rd party character but he's still from a Mario game.

Now on the other hand, when is Bowser going to get his Goddang lava castle.

When space dragons fly.

...Wait.

 

[Nethermoosen]

When space dragons fly.

...Wait.

Well, they did. Now he’s in Smash and only has a few flaps in him these days.

 

[Shroob]

I think the easiest way to answer this would be like this:


If Nintendo had Capcom make the next Paper Mario, and Capcom created say "Antonio, the greatest Partner" as a character, even though he's a Mario character, Capcom would own the rights to him most likely.

 

[Chrono.]

I think the easiest way to answer this would be like this:


If Nintendo had Capcom make the next Paper Mario, and Capcom created say "Antonio, the greatest Partner" as a character, even though he's a Mario character, Capcom would own the rights to him most likely.

Funny you should mention Capcom cause similar to Geno, They seemingly own all the characters from the Zelda games they made.

There's a reason we don't see Vaati or the Minish anywhere these days. As well as the games just being ignored in general, to the point Hyrule Warriors pretty much just skipped them even after all the DLC and season passes.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There is actually third party Sonic characters, so it isn't that unusual.

Still it's kind of funny

 

[Idon]

I think the easiest way to answer this would be like this:


If Nintendo had Capcom make the next Paper Mario, and Capcom created say "Antonio, the greatest Partner" as a character, even though he's a Mario character, Capcom would own the rights to him most likely.

That's actually exactly what happened with Capcom and Street Fighter EX.

It had both SF and original characters, but once the series was done, the other company just took their OCs and made their own fighting game, Fighting Layer EX, made of just their own OCs.

 

[Chrono.]

That's actually exactly what happened with Capcom and Street Fighter EX.

It had both SF and original characters, but once the series was done, the other company just took their OCs and made their own fighting game, Fighting Layer EX, made of just their own OCs.

I was actually surprised to see the SF database not just acknowledge them but also giving them new art.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I think the easiest way to answer this would be like this:


If Nintendo had Capcom make the next Paper Mario, and Capcom created say "Antonio, the greatest Partner" as a character, even though he's a Mario character, Capcom would own the rights to him most likely.

Depends on the contract. Hyperdimension Neptunia has a thing for creating personifications of game companies. The very First game had Nisa, Gust Red and 5PB. Each of those characters are owned by their respective companies. After MKII these characters rarely show up due to the licensing involved, Especially Nisa because of some strife between the companies (Pretty sure a lot of NIS employees left for Idea Factory at some point) now when Idea Factory makes new personifications, they keep the rights, allowing them to keep using the characters without having to try and get them back.

 

[Deleted member]

To be real for a second, I know we're all excited to see any Nintendo Directs come out, but I'm a bit worried about all the production studios and even Nintendo HQ, since Japan is going through it's biggest typhoon since 25 years ago. It's hitting Kyoto, practically most of the island. Do you think the typhoon will affect any of our favorite game developers? Hoping everyone from the likes of Kondo to Sakurai are safe over there. Sucks that Japan practically fights nature every other week. :/

 

[Curious Villager]

Funny you should mention Capcom cause similar to Geno, They seemingly own all the characters from the Zelda games they made.

There's a reason we don't see Vaati or the Minish anywhere these days. As well as the games just being ignored in general, to the point Hyrule Warriors pretty much just skipped them even after all the DLC and season passes.

Wasn't Vaati used in Four Swords Adventures and later brought back in Four Swords Anniversary Edition (Which while originally made by Capcom was later codeveloped by Grezzo)

I think Vaati is more a K.Rool situation rather than Geno. Nintendo owns the rights to him, they just can't be bothered to use him these days. (Which is kinda sad as a Minish Cap fan myself...)

 

[Sephazon]

To be real for a second, I know we're all excited to see any Nintendo Directs come out, but I'm a bit worried about all the production studios and even Nintendo HQ, since Japan is going through it's biggest typhoon since 25 years ago. It's hitting Kyoto, practically most of the island. Do you think the typhoon will affect any of our favorite game developers? Hoping everyone from the likes of Kondo to Sakurai are safe over there. Sucks that Japan practically fights nature every other week. :/

I live in Tokyo, near Bandai Namco Entertainment. We're getting through this just fine. I was out in Kyoto after another major typhoon. The game development world keeps on turning. As an aside, although Nintendo HQ is based in Kyoto, no other major studio is headquartered there, as far as I know. From Game Freak to Square Enix, they're all mostly based here in Tokyo, along with people such as Junichi Masuda, the director of Game Freak, and Masahiro Sakurai.

 

[Deleted member]

I live in Tokyo, near Bandai Namco Entertainment. We're getting through this just fine. I was out in Kyoto after another major typhoon. The game development world keeps on turning.

Thank Christ. All I see on Japanese Twitter are either electricity boxes explode, people escaping death and Lawson boxes moving on their own. Insane how people still keep doing the daily during this time, but really what I'm happy for is if their safe and fine. Worked with a few Japanese friends on various collaborations and I'm hoping for the best over there.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That reminds me I have a friend that teaches English that's in Japan right now. I wonder how he's doing.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I live in Tokyo, near Bandai Namco Entertainment. We're getting through this just fine. I was out in Kyoto after another major typhoon. The game development world keeps on turning. As an aside, although Nintendo HQ is based in Kyoto, no other major studio is headquartered there, as far as I know. From Game Freak to Square Enix, they're all mostly based here in Tokyo, along with people such as Junichi Masuda, the director of Game Freak, and Masahiro Sakurai.

I’m in northern Gunma (2 hours north of Tokyo on the northern slopes of Mt Moon (Mt Akagi) and we are getting very, very windy. Not here yet but it’s on it’s way and we will probably get the outer arms of it. Supposed to be here within the hour. I heard Tokyo won’t get too much with mostly high wave warnings but please stay safe!

Students went home after lunch and teachers left st around 4:30 but lucikly I live very close to my school so that’s a plus. But yeah, it’s raining heavily and very windy. I just secured my outside stuff so it doesn’t go flying into someone’s window like last time when a cabbage from one of the farms cracked our window. Gonna be a noisy night.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Oh, jeez. I hope things go okay and all in Tokyo.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Well, something big just got the side of our house. But my daughter is more concerned with what’s on tv and picking her nose than a silly typhoon.

 

[hazza5557]

What time of day is a direct usually announced?

 

[KMDP]

I’m in northern Gunma (2 hours north of Tokyo on the northern slopes of Mt Moon (Mt Akagi) and we are getting very, very windy. Not here yet but it’s on it’s way and we will probably get the outer arms of it. Supposed to be here within the hour. I heard Tokyo won’t get too much with mostly high wave warnings but please stay safe!

Students went home after lunch and teachers left st around 4:30 but lucikly I live very close to my school so that’s a plus. But yeah, it’s raining heavily and very windy. I just secured my outside stuff so it doesn’t go flying into someone’s window like last time when a cabbage from one of the farms cracked our window. Gonna be a noisy night.

Hope things work out okay for you, Venus.

Also, if you live in Gunma, that means you (technically) live in Pewter City! Tha's pretty neat.

 

[Mutsukki]

Wasn't Vaati used in Four Swords Adventures and later brought back in Four Swords Anniversary Edition (Which while originally made by Capcom was later codeveloped by Grezzo)

I think Vaati is more a K.Rool situation rather than Geno. Nintendo owns the rights to him, they just can't be bothered to use him these days. (Which is kinda sad as a Minish Cap fan myself...)

There's two Vaati:

Dark Evil Orb Vaati - Used in Four Swords games that were primarly developed by Nintendo
Minish/Humanoid Vaati - Used in Minish Cap, which was Capcom developed.

We haven't seen human Vaati ever since, neither Veran, nor Onox, the two villains from the Oracle games (also by Capcom).

 

[Jetsurge]

So this leaker LeakyPandy is saying Skull Kid is a boss.

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I don't he is the most reliable leaker but when you think about it it actually makes sense, the Moon assist is probably a move from the Skull Kid boss. Looks like Skull Kid might be the new Ridley.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So this leaker LeakyPanda is saying Skull Kid is a boss.

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I don't think guy is the most reliable leaker but when you think about it it actually makes sense, the Moon assist is probably a move from the Skull Kid boss. Looks like Skull Kid might be the new Ridley.

Is Leaky Pandy more than one person or are they using the "Royal We"

 

[Shroob]

So this leaker LeakyPanda is saying Skull Kid is a boss.

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I don't think guy is the most reliable leaker but when you think about it it actually makes sense, the Moon assist is probably a move from the Skull Kid boss. Looks like Skull Kid might be the new Ridley.

This guy's track record is worse than Loz18 and Verg's non-Smash leaks combined.

Take what he says with a heart-attack sized grain of salt.

 

[hazza5557]

Well if that’s true, I don’t really care as out of the Top 5 most likely characters to get in, he was my least favourite.

1) Banjo Kazooie
2) Bandana Waddle Dee
3) Geno
4) Isaac
5) Skull Kid

 

[Majora's Visage]

This guy's track record is worse than Loz18 and Verg's non-Smash leaks combined.

Take what he says with a heart-attack sized grain of salt.

Below was posted in the Skull Kid thread, thought it was interesting.

Yeah but didn't this guy only get a date of a direct right? He's had many chances to prove himself so I don't know why i'd start believing him now.

Related, but I'm assuming you guys are aware of who this guy is
https://twitter.com/MimiqueVEVO/status/1036402894201806848
being a boss and a playable character at the same time is weird, but eh maybe.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Hope things work out okay for you, Venus.

Also, if you live in Gunma, that means you (technically) live in Pewter City! Tha's pretty neat.

also lived around Mt Pyre as well for 6 years.

 

[BlueMagician]

Incidently, Sora Ltd. is also in Tokyo, so they're away from the brunt of the typhoon... for now. Most of the damage is in Kansai, until the typhoon moves north.

 

[Jetsurge]

Below was posted in the Skull Kid thread, thought it was interesting.

Yeah I think the villains/antiheroes will be bosses in Sprits mode kind of like Bowser in Subspace

So in total it would something like:

1. Dark Samus
2. Black Shadow???
3. Bowser
4. Ganondorf
5. Mewtwo
6. Meta Knight
7. Dark Pit
8. Black Knight???
9. Shadow???
10. King Dedede
11. Wolf
12. Medusa???
13. Ridley
14. King K. Rool
15. Skull Kid???

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

This was at Gamescom

If Skull Kid is not playable, would all the Majora's Mask things that have appeared recently just been coincidence?

 

[papagenos]

also lived around Mt Pyre as well for 6 years.

Ive been to Japan a few times, and this is how i thought of everything (in terms of where it is in "pokemon").

I spent a good amount of time in Tokyo, Kyoto, Kumamoto, Fukuoka, Matsuyama, and Miyajima Island specifically (other places too like Nagasaki but didnt spend more than a day or so). I never visited Hokkaido though, never went further north than Tokyo so thats one region of "pokemon" i didnt visit.