Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[mynameisBlade]

Fake. The Crash render looks too small and zoomed out. No reason to abbreviate his name either... Not to mention Crash is very...very...VERY unlikely. Agumon has a better shot.

 

[pupNapoleon]

You actually took that tv joke literally. Dude, it was obviously a joke.

I was disagreeing with the entire sentiment of the post. In fact my references were more about you going out of your way to mention merchandise and Skull Kid, not my commentary on what you said about the TV. Additionally, it wasn't a joke, it was a hyperbole, used to attempt to prove a point.

Regardless, my counterpoint is that- no, Skull Kid is not the single handed answer to character requests. In fact, I'd argue that Midna received a hell of a lot more love overall. And neither Midna nor Skull Kid is even my LoZ rep of choice, nor that of many others. (I'm aware this is anecdotal, but how else does one combat an unsubstantiated generalization?)

 

[Deleted member]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

4chan has taught me that all leakers apparently consume five to six cups of espresso before taking pictures.

Also, why is Crash called "Crash B."? If they can fit "King K. Rool" on-screen, why can't they fit "Crash Bandicoot"?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76883130?page=6

Post #63. Check the date on the PM Loz made public. I believe the other user confirmed that it was the exact PM posted later in the thread.

Like with Vergeben, I'm taking anything Loz says with a grain of salt. He's been very...odd since the last Direct. Most of his leaks for it were super vague or outright wrong, and he's been behaving kinda strangely. Saying things like "I got ninja'd! :O" is kinda strange, because if Nintendo really did take legal action against him, we wouldn't be hearing anything more from him anyway. Not to mention he went around deleting tweets and started acting cryptic for no real reason. It kinda feels like he's guessing at this point.

Who knows, though; maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. I don't think we're gonna have to wait too much longer to find out anyway.

 

[Paperchampion23]

He appeared in the mobile game Grimoire of Souls that came out the Spring of this year, but before the project plan in 2015/16 it would've been Harmony of Despair.



It should be noted that Loz himself said that the date that he got for the August Direct was wrong, so I wouldn't really contribute that towards him. The PM also has an issue where that he didn't post about it until after King K. Rool was revealed, which adds a few wrinkles in and of itself.

It's definitely true that Loz has been right and that should be considered, but it's also true that some of the information he had past E3 has been spotty. The date he was given for the August Direct was wrong, some of the content that he mentioned would be in the direct was inaccurate, and as of now we don't have anything that concretely (as in not circumstantial) says that Skull Kid and Isaac are playable in the game. It's definitely fair to consider his flaws just as much as it is to consider his strengths, and he can definitely be right or wrong depending on whether we have another E3 or August Direct case.

This is true. I understand people's sentiments and opinions about it. I personally think that leaking a game is like being a meteorologist: you aren't right 100% of the time or you lack the whole picture. Look at Gematsu, there are STILL people to this day that deny their veracity, all because Chrom and Chorus Kids didn't make it into the game.

 

[Dixie Kong]

I didn’t know LOZ is a big Skull Kid fan. That is concerning.

 

[Iridium]

Pichu and Peach got to the top without jumping, but at what cost?

I was reminded of how bad DK's vertical distance is again. He was actually pitiful there.

 

[Graizen]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

 

[MrSmashFour]

Blatantly fake. Taken at 90 mph. Character wouldn't be shortened to "Crash B.", and if you look closely enough, you can see he cuts off at the bottom. That was easy

 

[Enchess]

Also, Crash's render is like, WAY zoomed out compared to everyone else's slot. Just looks like there's way too much dead space in it.

Even Pac Man looks more filled.

That's a great way of saying it. Graizen is technically right about Ridley and Pac-Man being zoomed out, but Ridley's wings/arms and Pac-Man's shape result in comparable dead space to the rest of the cast. Crash on the other hand...

 

[T-Hell]

Yeah I've been sensing Banjo for a long time now and the Direct just rised that feeling. I believe Banjo is coming this time as the last bomb, and if not, then dlc for sure, but he's coming.

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Bella Goth_ SIMS

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That's just Crash's N. Sane model, which is ridiculously easy to get your hands on after the PC port. Also, the fact that it has no other characters we don't know of except him, plus the inconsistent zoom between Crash and the rest of the renders, yeah no.

 

[The_Intruder]

I've the feeling the next reveals will be Chrom during the smash 4 era all over again but not for one character this time. Seeing "everything is locked" or "everything is from the ballot" will lead to a huge disappointment.
The only safe bet I can see today is ken as an echo with the missing red colour of ryu and many new street fighter musics but aside that I think we are in for a treat (but not for a predictable / locked one).

 

[KMDP]

I didn’t know LOZ is a big Skull Kid fan. That is concerning.

I mean, are you surprised he's a Legend of Zelda fan with "LOZ" as his name?

 

[CosmicQuark]

Everyone's talking about blurriness, the abbreviation, the lack of zoom on Crash. All true. But I'm looking at Crash's arm. What the **** is up with that?

I want Crash in, badly, but I think he'll probably be DLC. He wasn't as much in the public consciousness in 2015, as he is in 2018, and with the Switch game out, I think his chances are likely. But B&K first.

 

[Iridium]

I didn’t know LOZ is a big Skull Kid fan. That is concerning.

So, the TLOZ counterpart to memoryman3, or no? It sounds like that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

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Here's the thing. While it would be a cute reference, we don't get cute references like that on the names. He'd likely just be called Crash

 

[Graizen]

Here's the thing. While it would be a cute reference, we don't get cute references like that on the names. He'd likely just be called Crash

As aways : "No new things happen, becouse they never happened before"

 

[Pakky]

4chan has taught me that all leakers apparently consume five to six cups of espresso before taking pictures.

Also, why is Crash called "Crash B."? If they can fit "King K. Rool" on-screen, why can't they fit "Crash Bandicoot"?



Like with Vergeben, I'm taking anything Loz says with a grain of salt. He's been very...odd since the last Direct. Most of his leaks for it were super vague or outright wrong, and he's been behaving kinda strangely. Saying things like "I got ninja'd! :O" is kinda strange, because if Nintendo really did take legal action against him, we wouldn't be hearing anything more from him anyway. Not to mention he went around deleting tweets and started acting cryptic for no real reason. It kinda feels like he's guessing at this point.

Who knows, though; maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. I don't think we're gonna have to wait too much longer to find out anyway.

Or you know

MR. GAME & WATCH


It being a reference IS kinda valid though.

 

[blackghost]

My thought is that this is a different speculation cycle than Smash 4. There are less characters, so I don't expect (and hope) that we don't get joke or obscure characters. I do think the next couple of reveals are going to be obvious/not huge, but because of pacing. Start with big ones, have smaller ones sprinkled in, and then end with a bang. That's what I think they *should* do. Otherwise, they should have showed Ridley at E3, and had K Rool being the final character announced, to avoid leading into the game on a whimper.

there's a sizable portion that will claim the reveals have already hit thier peak, unless there is a huge reveal form a third party (read crash, sepiroth, or laura croft) they will probably be right. i doubt sakurai will drop one of his favorite routines in a character roster of wtf addition. theres no point trying to guess it otherwise it wouldnt be a wtf addition.

 

[pupNapoleon]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Holy ****! This must mean that Crash is an Echo of Cardi B!

 

[Buzzwole]

As aways : "No new things happen, becouse they never happened before"

As always: "Overly blurry roster screenshots are always fake"

And don't say the ESRB leak was overly blurry because it wasn't. Everything was perfectly visible.

 

[mynameisBlade]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

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While I would respect the neat "touch", I doubt they would officially put his name on the CSS like that. Easy fake. Crash B. Is my favorite gaming icon though. I'd love for this to be real.

 

[pupNapoleon]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

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Fun Fact: Crash Bandicoot (the first game) misnamed Tiny as Taz.
I wouldn't put much weight on the localization of the names of characters in that game.
But I certainly would not make a mountain out of how it is notated here.

 

[Paperchampion23]

4chan has taught me that all leakers apparently consume five to six cups of espresso before taking pictures.

Also, why is Crash called "Crash B."? If they can fit "King K. Rool" on-screen, why can't they fit "Crash Bandicoot"?



Like with Vergeben, I'm taking anything Loz says with a grain of salt. He's been very...odd since the last Direct. Most of his leaks for it were super vague or outright wrong, and he's been behaving kinda strangely. Saying things like "I got ninja'd! :O" is kinda strange, because if Nintendo really did take legal action against him, we wouldn't be hearing anything more from him anyway. Not to mention he went around deleting tweets and started acting cryptic for no real reason. It kinda feels like he's guessing at this point.

Who knows, though; maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. I don't think we're gonna have to wait too much longer to find out anyway.

I do want to point out that if you look up Brawls leaks, the 2 leakers there were both considered ridiculous for their claims, especially with the way they acted on the internet (they were immature to say the least), but both were right.


Being weird via the internet shouldn't be a detractor of information, because people are ****ing weird lol. Yes, Loz could be wrong, Vergeben could be wrong. They both could be trolling post E3. Who honestly knows. We won't know anything until we get more info, but it's just important to keep that mindset. Its worth paying attention to people with prior history, even if you doubt them now.

I have my own beliefs in the matter. You can have yours and that's okay! I can see how much id like to have a playable Skull Kid, Isaac. Geno and Banjo considering I grew up with each character at different stages of my childhood, so of course I'm probably just biased towards both leakers as a result.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As aways : "No new things happen, becouse they never happened before"

But it's inconsistent, because Xander Mobus is going to say "Crash Bandicoot" then. And Bandicoot isn't spelled as B. but as Bandicoot. Sakurai values simplicity so if anything, it'd just be Crash

 

[Chrono.]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

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You're pulling pretty hard for this pretty obvious fake leak.

There's a lot more wrong with it than just the name.

 

[SvartWolf]

Why does all leaks like that made it look like they were taken by The Flash or something?

Is this too hard to take a picture still?

Don't get me wrong, it's fake as hell, but still, why?

becasue is fake as hell... and blurring helps make it less obvious.

Let's remember how blurry the fortnite for switch leak was.... oh yes, it wasnt blurry at all... it also was very true. on the other hand the fire emblem "reawekening" one curiosly was very blurry.... weeeird, don't you say?

 

[Deleted member]

As always: "Overly blurry roster screenshots are always fake"

And don't say the ESRB leak was overly blurry because it wasn't. Everything was perfectly visible.

Yeah, the ESRB screens/videos were a little blurry, but not nearly as much as these. I feel like the people faking these things assume that the blurrier the image is, the more likely we'll believe them.

 

[CosmicQuark]

there's a sizable portion that will claim the reveals have already hit thier peak, unless there is a huge reveal form a third party (read crash, sepiroth, or laura croft) they will probably be right. i doubt sakurai will drop one of his favorite routines in a character roster of wtf addition. theres no point trying to guess it otherwise it wouldnt be a wtf addition.

It's a tradition when we have 16 newcomers to look forward to, not around 8 or so unique characters. At least, personally, I'd be miffed if B&K, Geno, Isaac were slighted so Cooking Mama could get in (sorry Cooking Mama fans, all five of you). I mean, I feel the same way about a Pokemon being in just for the sake of there being a Pokemon. But at least it's a huge franchise.

 

[SebasSancy]

Smash 4 was a watershed moment for Nintendo's security policies. That game got blown wide open through a combination of factors. For one, they weren't very careful with how they handled information. The ESRB leak can't entirely be blamed on Nintendo but they screwed up big time with the DLC datamining. Second, the utter lack of info made people desperate, and it made anybody who could spill details into a hero. This attracted everyone and their mother, all hoping to grab some fame as "the one" who delivered actual credible leaks.

This isn't really the case with Ultimate. They appear to have locked things down tight, minus a slip up or two like the Galaga error. But the fact that our most credible leaker can only give us vague info like "Pokémon that isn't Decidueye" shows just how much they've clamped on any potential leaks. Plus, they're dumping content regularly and the game was only revealed closer to release rather than years out, which keeps the hype from becoming too large to sate in a timely manner.

Spoiler: Rumor

Also this is the definition of hearsay but it's probably the most plausible "rumor" to come out of 4chan regarding the game IMO.

Some anon posted claiming that nobody really knows much, those that did were just privy to some press info, and that the most people can do is either disconfirm something or provide informed speculation. As much as I dislike posting every little thing on the off chance it's true, this isn't the first time I've seen somebody higher up get fed up with all the pre-release hysteria and rant anonymously on 4chan/GameFAQs/Reddit about it. IIRC the same thing happened with PlayStation All-Stars and it's how we heard about Ryu Hayabusa and Lightning being shafted.

That said, fistful of salt.

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OH I hope this isnt true

 

[Fenriraga]

For the last time:

CRASH B. IS A REFERENCE TO THIS:

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No offense man, but you seem WAY too intent on defending something obviously fake.

I sincerely doubt a pause menu was the inspiration for shortening a character's name when other appearances by him just go either "Crash" or just say his full name.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Everyone's talking about blurriness, the abbreviation, the lack of zoom on Crash. All true. But I'm looking at Crash's arm. What the **** is up with that?

I want Crash in, badly, but I think he'll probably be DLC. He wasn't as much in the public consciousness in 2015, as he is in 2018, and with the Switch game out, I think his chances are likely. But B&K first.

Honestly, I think Spyro has more of a shot than Crash. But mostly, I think we are unlikely to get one without the other.
Let's not forget that Spyro, even if somewhat disassociated, launched the Toys-to-Life brand. He didnt just have a comeback, he did a Madonna and took over the world with his new form. The legacy of this move was massive in the gaming industry. It merits inclusion on its own.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I didn’t know LOZ is a big Skull Kid fan. That is concerning.

Don't worry because he also said K. Rool at the same time in the PM where it became public. Don't think he's biased towards the character. He's also mentioned Isaac after that. I think he's just a personal fan of smash on top of being whatever he is as a leaker (if he's credible or not is up to all of you)

 

[Enchess]

You're pulling pretty hard for this pretty obvious fake leak.

There's a lot more wrong with it than just the name.

I wonder if Graizen is behind the leak themself. They pulled out that "Crash B" justification real fast.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Suddenly all leaks are image leaks. It became a trend.

 

[Graizen]

I wonder if Graizen is behind the leak themself. They pulled out that "Crash B" justification real fast.

No im not.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

I was disagreeing with the entire sentiment of the post. In fact my references were more about you going out of your way to mention merchandise and Skull Kid, not my commentary on what you said about the TV. Additionally, it wasn't a joke, it was a hyperbole, used to attempt to prove a point.

Regardless, my counterpoint is that- no, Skull Kid is not the single handed answer to character requests. In fact, I'd argue that Midna received a hell of a lot more love overall. And neither Midna nor Skull Kid is even my LoZ rep of choice, nor that of many others. (I'm aware this is anecdotal, but how else does one combat an unsubstantiated generalization?)

Skull Kid is objectively the most popular remaining Zelda character. You can choose to believe it or not but its there. I’ve read some of your other replies and it seems you like to force your mentality into other folks. Please don’t pretend like you can read people’s minds and put words into their own mouth.

 

[papagenos]

I do want to point out that if you look up Brawls leaks, the 2 leakers there were both considered ridiculous for their claims, especially with the way they acted on the internet (they were immature to say the least), but both were right.


Being weird via the internet shouldn't be a detractor of information, because people are ****ing weird lol. Yes, Loz could be wrong, Vergeben could be wrong. They both could be trolling post E3. Who honestly knows. We won't know anything until we get more info, but it's just important to keep that mindset. Its worth paying attention to people with prior history, even if you doubt them now.

I have my own beliefs in the matter. You can have yours and that's okay! I can see how much id like to have a playable Skull Kid, Isaac. Geno and Banjo considering I grew up with each character at different stages of my childhood, so of course I'm probably just biased towards both leakers as a result.

thats also like my perfect 4 haha, but i agree loz18 and verge have both gotten things right for smash ultimate and its worth looking at what they say because of it.

 

[Ridleyridster]

Ah yes, Crash B. Alongside Sonic T.H and Donkey K.

What, Donkey K and Sonic T.H. isn't what you called DK and Sonic as a kid? XD

This is a classic. 'Crash B.'