Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[pupNapoleon]

Lets be real here none of the remaining Zelda characters hold anything against Skull Kid. When you ask the general person who their fav Zelda character Skull Kid is almost always in the conversation. Not to mention Majoras Mask is regarded as one of the best Zelda games of all time and even video game of all time. He may not be the most popular character within the Smash community but outside of it he sells merch like people scrambling to buy tvs on black friday.

Yeah, that must be why I can never find my Skull Kid backpacks, Mugs, TShirts, and other accessories. It all must just be sold out from the raving fans.

 

[Cosmic77]

Actually I just had a thought and I wanted your opinion. Mayne echoes aren't tied to music reveals? Daisy didn't get a Mario one and Dark Samus was revealed seperate from the Metroid song. Richter is hard to say obviously, and while Chrom did get one it was 2 weeks after unlike Inkling and King K. Rool's which was the week after.

Just a thought that music might not discredit echo reveals (good for Impa, bad for Bandanna Waddle Dee).

Dark Samus didn't need one since Ridley and the Brinstar remix came out at E3 (I'm assuming each franchise is only getting one track). As for Chrom, it makes sense why his remix was last. Simon and K. Rool were bigger reveals, so they probably wanted to get those remixes on the site first.

Daisy would make sense if they were waiting for the unique Mario newcomer. However, if Mario isn't getting anything else, then I have absolutely no idea why they didn't go ahead and give us a Mario remix back then when she was revealed.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Spoiler: Rumor

Also this is the definition of hearsay but it's probably the most plausible "rumor" to come out of 4chan regarding the game IMO.

Some anon posted claiming that nobody really knows much, those that did were just privy to some press info, and that the most people can do is either disconfirm something or provide informed speculation. As much as I dislike posting every little thing on the off chance it's true, this isn't the first time I've seen somebody higher up get fed up with all the pre-release hysteria and rant anonymously on 4chan/GameFAQs/Reddit about it. IIRC the same thing happened with PlayStation All-Stars and it's how we heard about Ryu Hayabusa and Lightning being shafted.

That said, fistful of salt.

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Regardless of whether this guy actually knows anything or not this does sound rather plausible tbh, they always start out revealing big guns, and then gradually we get more and more characters that don't top polls, which is why people always end up being disappointed in the end, they expect Mega Mans and Warios from start to finish but it ends by being rounded up by Duck Hunts and R.O.Bs. Of course there are outliers, Sonic because of his late addition, and Dedede followed him shortly after, but it's more a point about how we get more and more characters who might be considered B and C tiers in terms of hype over time.

This is why I think the general consensus on who's likely will change with the next reveal, it's not gonna be all Ridley and K. Rool style newcomers from here on out, maybe one or two more thanks to the ballot, but I fully expect people to frantically go back to the drawing board more than once in between now and release.

 

[GaroMaster]

I said this way back in this thread, but since I can't find my old post, I'll just restate my thoughts on a Zelda newcomer.

It isn't farfetched to think that people want a Zelda newcomer. Considering the fact that Sakurai is giving love to franchises that didn't receive newcomers in Smash 4 (Donkey Kong and Metroid), Zelda is one of those franchises that hasn't really received a lot of priority when it comes to newcomers.
Of course, the big question is who would be chosen?
Well, if Skull Kid were to be chosen, I don't think Sakurai would look at him in the same light as K. Rool and Ridley. Instead, Sakurai would look on the Ballot to see what franchises have received requests for a fighter and only then would he choose the most popular.
It isn't unheard of, as this happened before with Cloud. Even if he wasn't as requested as other popular choices, people voted in a lot of Final Fantasy characters and Sakurai evidently took notice. Out of all the FF characters voted in, Cloud was the most popular, so he was put in.
Tl;Dr: Skull Kid would be a Cloud-esque pick in that even if he himself didn't receive a ton of votes like K. Rool did, the Zelda series had a lot of requests and out of all them, Skull Kid was probably the most popular.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I guess by that argument, any character who is dismissed by even a single fan, is considered a shoo-in, to you.

LOL not even close. I actually find it really funny when people say characters are impossible now. Its like, people have been proven wrong time and time again with these character reveals.

"Konami is a turd there's no way Snake is coming back for smash"- proceeds to reveal not only snake, but EVERY CHARACTER is coming back for smash

"Ridley is too big there's no way he's in smash"- proceeds to reveal Ridley for smash

"K. Rool is irrelevant there's no way he's in smash" - proceeds to reveal K. Rool for smash

Now I'm hearing the same thing with Geno, Isaac, Banjo, etc etc etc etc. Its the same cycle. Nobody learns.

Anybodys arguments against a character are not factual. In fact, we are not experts in Nintendo's negotiations on characters being in the game. You can make assumptions. You can make opinions. But it doesn't mean you are right.

This is literally history repeating itself over the course of a month. A. MONTH.

 

[Irarius]

a zelda character that MIGHT make a good echo character for skull kid would be vaati, i mean yeah its not acurate blabla, but he would fit rly well

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, that must be why I can never find my Skull Kid backpacks, Mugs, TShirts, and other accessories. It all must just be sold out from the raving fans.

There actually is a bunch of Majora's Mask merch with Skull Kid on it. I own several shirts and figurines of him.

 

[Fenriraga]

Yeah, the fact that Mario hasn't gotten and official music upload yet is weird.

Us Geno fans are holding out for his reveal to be the reason for that. But that's just wishful thinking, of course.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wouldn't it be cool if we were able to do something like this?

*sees Samus in top 3* Was there any doubt?

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Yeah, that must be why I can never find my Skull Kid backpacks, Mugs, TShirts, and other accessories. It all must just be sold out from the raving fans.

You actually took that tv joke literally. Dude, it was obviously a joke.

 

[Graizen]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Can you provide links to him talking about K. Rool and the Smash Direct in June? I'm curious about that, as I don't remember anything like that happening back in June. From what I remember, the rumors about the Direct started around mid-July.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76883130?page=6

Post #63. Check the date on the PM Loz made public. I believe the other user confirmed that it was the exact PM posted later in the thread.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Regardless of whether this guy actually knows anything or not this does sound rather plausible tbh, they always start out revealing big guns, and then gradually we get more and more characters that don't top polls, which is why people always end up being disappointed in the end, they expect Mega Mans and Warios from start to finish but it ends by being rounded up by Duck Hunts and R.O.Bs. Of course there are outliers, Sonic because of his late addition, and Dedede followed him shortly after, but it's more a point about how we get more and more characters who might not be as wanted as time goes on.

This is why I think the general consensus on who's likely will change with the next reveal, it's not gonna be all Ridley and K. Rool style newcomers from here on out, maybe one or two more thanks to the ballot, but I fully expect people to frantically go back to the drawing board more than once in between now and release.

My thought is that this is a different speculation cycle than Smash 4. There are less characters, so I don't expect (and hope) that we don't get joke or obscure characters. I do think the next couple of reveals are going to be obvious/not huge, but because of pacing. Start with big ones, have smaller ones sprinkled in, and then end with a bang. That's what I think they *should* do. Otherwise, they should have showed Ridley at E3, and had K Rool being the final character announced, to avoid leading into the game on a whimper.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Ah yes, Crash B. Alongside Sonic T.H and Donkey K.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Regardless of whether this guy actually knows anything or not this does sound rather plausible tbh, they always start out revealing big guns, and then gradually we get more and more characters that don't top polls, which is why people always end up being disappointed in the end, they expect Mega Mans and Warios from start to finish but it ends by being rounded up by Duck Hunts and R.O.Bs. Of course there are outliers, Sonic because of his late addition, and Dedede followed him shortly after, but it's more a point about how we get more and more characters who might be considered B and C tiers in terms of hype over time.

This is why I think the general consensus on who's likely will change with the next reveal, it's not gonna be all Ridley and K. Rool style newcomers from here on out, maybe one or two more thanks to the ballot, but I fully expect people to frantically go back to the drawing board more than once in between now and release.

The speculation scene changes pretty significantly each game. So do the reveals, and how they are done. We cannot really predict what will happen this time based on what happened last time- its actually why this speculation period has still been so fun.
Not to mention, you are referencing a lot of hidden characters within this (Rob and Duck Hunt were both hidden characters that leaked).

Tl;Dr: If all the characters are going to be revealed this time, then they are likely all going to make a big splash in some way. I'm guessing we are going to end with Banjo and Kazooie.

 

[IronTed]

Actually I just had a thought and I wanted your opinion. Mayne echoes aren't tied to music reveals? Daisy didn't get a Mario one and Dark Samus was revealed seperate from the Metroid song. Richter is hard to say obviously, and while Chrom did get one it was 2 weeks after unlike Inkling and King K. Rool's which was the week after.

Just a thought that music might not discredit echo reveals (good for Impa, bad for Bandanna Waddle Dee).

He did say Konami's secret reveal would be Castlevania games on the switch and they weren't. Basically he got something wrong and people still look at his stuff.

Hmm, I guess I missed that leak, but now that you mention it it's coming back to me. Just another example of Vergeben being Vergeben I guess. But his Smash stuff has been on point so far, although not all has been confirmed. I would imagine people are more concerned about credibility when it comes to Ultimate then credibility overall.

 

[Metal Shop X]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Why does all leaks like that made it look like they were taken by The Flash or something?

Is this too hard to take a picture still?

Don't get me wrong, it's fake as hell, but still, why?

 

[Graizen]

Ah yes, Crash B. Alongside Sonic T.H and Donkey K.

In defense of Crash B.
This could be a refference to this:

 

[Iridium]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

This is about to get trashed in an hour. I have a feeling.

*sees Samus in top 3* Was there any doubt?

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And Link/Young Link are S-tier too! Very neat.

 

[Fenriraga]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

It kinda looks like Crash from the Skylanders Cartoon to me.

 

[Curious Villager]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Crash B? What happened to Crash A?

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Lowkey might be the blurriest **** we’ve gotten. We’ve reached UFO recording levels.

 

[Sharkarat]

This is about to get trashed in an hour. I have a feeling.


And Link/Young Link are S-tier too! Very neat.

Lol, the way Young Link does it looks pretty stupid.

 

[MrRoidley]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

>Blurry picture
lmao

for real it's a nice mockup. I could swear I've seen this Crash render somewhere tho?

 

[Chrono.]

Wouldn't it be cool if we were able to do something like this?

God I forgot Luigi's voice early on was... way higher.

 

[Enchess]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

That looks really fake to me. His render is awkwardly small for the character select box (only Mii Fighters are that zoomed out and there are 3 in the one box), if "MR GAME & WATCH" isn't abbreviated I don't see a reason "CRASH BANDICOOT" has to be (plus I would think they'd do "CRASH" or "C BANDICOOT" instead), if you zoom in the lines seem to get messed up where Crash's box starts (although it might be blur)

 

[Arcanir]

So was Richter's most recent appearance before Smash Ultimate was in the 2010 game Harmony of Despair?

He appeared in the mobile game Grimoire of Souls that came out the Spring of this year, but before the project plan in 2015/16 it would've been Harmony of Despair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROUSc-WbhM

This is all I have to say in the matter. He effectively leaked the August direct way early. He has posted PMs about leaking K. Rool and Skull Kid BEFORE the August direct ever was public (he leaked this info in JUNE, but it was never public to gamefaqs until the day after the direct when people were asking him questions about all his other comments).

If this doesn't make you believe in Loz, then I have nothing else to say on the matter. Its up to all of you individually to have your own opinions and judgements in the guy after this moment. Not talking about it anymore until the next direct either supports or denies his claims.

It should be noted that Loz himself said that the date that he got for the August Direct was wrong, so I wouldn't really contribute that towards him. The PM also has an issue where that he didn't post about it until after King K. Rool was revealed, which adds a few wrinkles in and of itself.

It's definitely true that Loz has been right and that should be considered, but it's also true that some of the information he had past E3 has been spotty. The date he was given for the August Direct was wrong, some of the content that he mentioned would be in the direct was inaccurate, and as of now we don't have anything that concretely (as in not circumstantial) says that Skull Kid and Isaac are playable in the game. It's definitely fair to consider his flaws just as much as it is to consider his strengths, and he can definitely be right or wrong depending on whether we have another E3 or August Direct case.

 

[Buzzwole]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Few things wrong with this in my opinion.

1) There's no way there's only one more unique newcomer to announce, and I doubt that it would be crash.

2) Calling him Crash B. makes absolutely no sense. There are characters on the roster with much longer names without being abbreviated.

3) I'm super positive that Sonic will get Shadow as an echo fighter and he's nowhere to be seen on this roster. He would be to the left of Dedede.

4) Crash's character portrait is way more zoomed out than anyone else's. Its inconsistent.


Also, you know, the fact that its yet another terrible blurry screenshot that should be entirely ignored.

 

[Graizen]

Crash B. is a refference to the Menu in Crash Bandicoot PSX Games.
Sakurai would do something like that.

And this is actualy a new render.
Me and my friends checked that out.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This is about to get trashed in an hour. I have a feeling.


And Link/Young Link are S-tier too! Very neat.

Makes sense, OoT can be glitched to be beaten in under 20 minutes whereas Super Metroid's world record is *google* About 41 minutes

 

[MrRoidley]

Crash B? What happened to Crash A?

It's the echo fighter

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just amazed at the variety of blur filters at this point.

 

[Graizen]

Few things wrong with this in my opinion.

1) There's no way there's only one more unique newcomer to announce, and I doubt that it would be crash.

2) Calling him Crash B. makes absolutely no sense. There are characters on the roster with much longer names without being abbreviated.

3) I'm super positive that Sonic will get Shadow as an echo fighter and he's nowhere to be seen on this roster. He would be to the left of Dedede.

4) Crash's character portrait is way more zoomed out than anyone else's. Its inconsistent.


Also, you know, the fact that its yet another terrible blurry screenshot that should be entirely ignored.

So... you are saying that , becouse Shadow is not here, no other new character can be?

And no, he is not more Zoomed than Pac-man and Ridley.

 

[Fenriraga]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

Also, Crash's render is like, WAY zoomed out compared to everyone else's slot. Just looks like there's way too much dead space in it.

Even Pac Man looks more filled.

 

[Chrono.]

This was posted on Twitter and 4Chan:
https://twitter.com/SmashBr4hx/status/1036290381518909440
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430073224

This is for sure a new render.

I love Crash

EDIT: This was supposed to have the B emoji but Smashboards is behind the times I guess.

 

[Iridium]

Lol, the way Young Link does it looks pretty stupid.

Link could do it too, but positioning makes it harder to do.

 

[Buzzwole]

So... you are saying that , becouse Shadow is not here, no other new character can be?

And no, he is not more Zoomed than Pac-man and Ridley.

Didn't say that at all. Not sure where you're getting that from.
and also, yes, it is way more zoomed out than anyone else.

 

[Graizen]

Also, Crash's render is like, WAY zoomed out compared to everyone else's slot. Just looks like there's way too much dead space in it.

Even Pac Man looks more filled.

And no, he is not more Zoomed than Pac-man and Ridley. [2]

 

[Iridium]

God I forgot Luigi's voice early on was... way higher.

And it is actually just Mario's voice from SM64, just with a higher pitch, so yeah.

 

[KMDP]

Wouldn't it be cool if we were able to do something like this?

Pichu and Peach got to the top without jumping, but at what cost?