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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Define "heavily requested".

Skull Kid's support has been around for a long time, but he's never been heavily requested (just look at the Brawl and Sm4sh threads on this site, neither of them are particularly big). Not to mention that he's competing with like 10-15 other Zelda characters.
Lets be real here none of the remaining Zelda characters hold anything against Skull Kid. When you ask the general person who their fav Zelda character Skull Kid is almost always in the conversation. Not to mention Majoras Mask is regarded as one of the best Zelda games of all time and even video game of all time. He may not be the most popular character within the Smash community but outside of it he sells merch like people scrambling to buy tvs on black friday.
 

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Smash 4 was a watershed moment for Nintendo's security policies. That game got blown wide open through a combination of factors. For one, they weren't very careful with how they handled information. The ESRB leak can't entirely be blamed on Nintendo but they screwed up big time with the DLC datamining. Second, the utter lack of info made people desperate, and it made anybody who could spill details into a hero. This attracted everyone and their mother, all hoping to grab some fame as "the one" who delivered actual credible leaks.

This isn't really the case with Ultimate. They appear to have locked things down tight, minus a slip up or two like the Galaga error. But the fact that our most credible leaker can only give us vague info like "Pokémon that isn't Decidueye" shows just how much they've clamped on any potential leaks. Plus, they're dumping content regularly and the game was only revealed closer to release rather than years out, which keeps the hype from becoming too large to sate in a timely manner.

Although I do agree with what he had to say, and honestly seems the most credible...

Damn no Isaac? That’s going to sting BAAD based on the fact even with fan favorites being a thing and Isaac being one of them, HE STILL ISN’T IN.
 

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you mentioned loz18 being on a private discord, theres someone on 4chan claiming loz18 is wrong about skull kid (also saying no isaac, banjo, or shantae). they mention loz18 hiding on discord too, just curious what your thoughts are on this, i dont know how many people are aware of that discord.
Just like how you know he's in that discord. Someone could have read my comment about it, or anyone else who has made that info public (it has been mentioned several times in Gamefaqs)

There are also well over 100 people on that discord. Not everyone believes what he is saying. And anyone can make a 4chan post.

I personally believe Loz because he got things right in the past. Its not a blind belief. He doesn't even talk about leaks on that discord either. And that's half the reason why I believe him. He says something then doesn't talk about it again. And he's only ever said 3 things after August: A November direct, Skull Kid, and Isaac. That's it. That's all hes ever mentioned.
 

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you mentioned loz18 being on a private discord, theres someone on 4chan claiming loz18 is wrong about skull kid (also saying no isaac, banjo, or shantae). they mention loz18 hiding on discord too, just curious what your thoughts are on this, i dont know how many people are aware of that discord.
I hear people talking about being on Loz's discord all the time on here, so it seems to me at least that many are aware of it. Loz lost all credibility with the August Direct, and is now in a private setting where even if they said something, only people in their private club could actually verify it. So, I've lost all interest in following Loz at this point.

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Just like how you know he's in that discord. Someone could have read my comment about it, or anyone else who has made that info public (it has been mentioned several times in Gamefaqs)

There are also well over 100 people on that discord. Not everyone believes what he is saying. And anyone can make a 4chan post.

I personally believe Loz because he got things right in the past. Its not a blind belief. He doesn't even talk about leaks on that discord either. And that's half the reason why I believe him. He says something then doesn't talk about it again. And he's only ever said 3 things after August: A November direct, Skull Kid, and Isaac. That's it. That's all hes ever mentioned.
Loz certainly knew about E3, but everything after that was either vague, obvious, wrong, or still yet to be determined. So, at least for me, Loz has lost all credibility. And particularly with Skull Kid--they wore their bias right on their sleeve on Twitter after mentioning him. Kind of hard to take them seriously as a "leaker". I wear my bias on my sleeve, but I don't claim to offer anything but opinion. :upsidedown:
 
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The ironic thing about the newcomers so far is that most of them got “Nah, They’d be a boss rather than a newcomer” before they were revealed. Then look where we are, both Ridley and K.Rool are in Smash.... I guess the more you expect them to be a boss, the more likely they’re a newcomer.
There is no other character comparable to King K Rool and Ridley regarding their position within the Nintendo and their legacy in waiting for Smash.
 

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Define "heavily requested".

Skull Kid's support has been around for a long time, but he's never been heavily requested (just look at the Brawl and Sm4sh threads on this site, neither of them are particularly big). Not to mention that he's competing with like 10-15 other Zelda characters.
A Zelda newcomer has been highly requested since ever. And Skull Kid among those is one of the most highly requested. Sure, he pales in comparison to say Isaac or Banjo, but the requests for a Zelda newcomer altogether are comparably big I think and Skull Kid is in the forefront, I think only Midna actually rivals him. The thing is, there are so many choices (Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim, Vaati, Ganon etc) that it just ends up kind of diffusing requests, unlike what happens with most other series (i.e. Metroid was always Ridley, DK was K. Rool and Dixie, Animal Crossing is Isabelle, etc)
 

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>"Loz knows Skull Kid and Isaac are not playable due to him having no info"
...What the hell is this word salad right here?

Why would Loz18 not actually knowing whether SK and Isaac are actually playable or not mean they're not playable at all? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Agreed...I mean, Nintendo has tight locks, so there will not easily be any leaks. Just because a user does not know about the avaliability of a character does not mean they are not 100% playable.

For example, nobody knew that Ridley was playable, yet it was true. We don't know if Isaac is playable, but that does not mean he is not playable . Who knows, he could appear one moment or so. We did not expect about K. Rool at all.

No and I stupidly believed that user unill I realized it was not him
 
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Define "heavily requested".

Skull Kid's support has been around for a long time, but he's never been heavily requested (just look at the Brawl and Sm4sh threads on this site, neither of them are particularly big). Not to mention that he's competing with like 10-15 other Zelda characters.
A Zelda newcomer has been highly requested since ever. And Skull Kid among those is one of the most highly requested. Sure, he pales in comparison to say Isaac or Banjo, but the requests for a Zelda newcomer altogether are comparably big I think and Skull Kid is in the forefront, I think only Midna actually rivals him. The thing is, there are so many choices (Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim, Vaati, Ganon etc) that it just ends up kind of diffusing requests, unlike what happens with most other series (i.e. Metroid was always Ridley, DK was K. Rool and Dixie, Animal Crossing is Isabelle, etc)
A Zelda newcomer has been wanted for a long time... and even if we get four this game, a newcomer will still be wanted.
It's pretty audacious of you to group "any Zelda newcomer" into the hype for Skull Kid. (i.e. misleading and unwarranted).
 

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Smash 4 was a watershed moment for Nintendo's security policies. That game got blown wide open through a combination of factors. For one, they weren't very careful with how they handled information. The ESRB leak can't entirely be blamed on Nintendo but they screwed up big time with the DLC datamining. Second, the utter lack of info made people desperate, and it made anybody who could spill details into a hero. This attracted everyone and their mother, all hoping to grab some fame as "the one" who delivered actual credible leaks.

This isn't really the case with Ultimate. They appear to have locked things down tight, minus a slip up or two like the Galaga error. But the fact that our most credible leaker can only give us vague info like "Pokémon that isn't Decidueye" shows just how much they've clamped on any potential leaks. Plus, they're dumping content regularly and the game was only revealed closer to release rather than years out, which keeps the hype from becoming too large to sate in a timely manner.

I pretty much fully believe this up until the last couple deconfirmations.

"Don't believe these people because Nintendo has a much tighter grip....but also I know the roster and these characters aren't in"

Yeah ok...
Not sure how many people genuinely believe the music theory, but I wanted to show everyone the remaining series that haven't gotten a remix on the site yet.

:ultmario::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness::ultpit::ultwario::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultrob::ultvillager::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultduckhunt::ultbayonetta:
(:ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultcloud: are likely not getting remixes based off the Direct.)

So just to recap, almost every newcomer has gotten a remix on the Ultimate website shortly after their official reveal (:ultinkling::ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultchrom::ultkrool:). Seeing how we have about 14 weeks until release, most of the franchises I listed will probably get a remix before then.

However, isn't it a little strange that popular franchises like Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and Sonic haven't gotten anything yet? Going off the pattern from previous characters, it wouldn't suprise me if these franchises were purposely being held off so they could get a remix to tie in with a newcomer reveal (Paper Mario/Geno, Gen VII Pokemon, Isabelle, Shadow). Now obviously this theory isn't perfect, as Ken could be revealed without a proper SF remix. Still, I can't help but feel like these missing franchises could be a hint as to what we'll get in the future.
My biggest issues with this are, because of Dark Samus it's hard to use this to predict anything. Like could a character be revealed if there has already been a song from a series?

And if we take it as literal as possible and each series only gets 1 song and every newcomer gets paired with a song, then that means Kirby and Zelda won't be getting newcomers and that makes me sad.

However I do think we will only get one song per series on the site (at the rate it's going it's totally possible, especially since misc series get thrown on there too), and I do think it's suspicious we haven't had a Mario, Pokemon, Aninal Crossing or Sonic song (I'm predicting characters from all of those series).

Oh we also don't have Kid Icarus so Medusa? Even just for fun speculation it will be exciting to look forward to the music and see if it "deconfirms" a new series rep.
 

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I hear people talking about being on Loz's discord all the time on here, so it seems to me at least that many are aware of it. Loz lost all credibility with the August Direct, and is now in a private setting where even if they said something, only people in their private club could actually verify it. So, I've lost all interest in following Loz at this point.
He lost zero credibility with the August direct lmao. He got everything right save for an all star game mode.

That's not Loz lol. He already said it wasn't him on discord
 
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Music theory will only hold water for me once we get a Star Fox track otherwise Slippy slips in.
 

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Although I do agree with what he had to say, and honestly seems the most credible...

Damn no Isaac? That’s going to sting BAAD based on the fact even with fan favorites being a thing and Isaac being one of them, HE STILL ISN’T IN.
No matter how credible that guy sounds I don't believe him.

"Believe what you want, but nobody has the full info. --- Skull Kid, Isaac, Shantae and Banjo aren't in the game."

These two statements are mutually exclusive. The second can't be true if the first is true, and the first statement is true.

Basically, this guy has a vested interest in those characters not getting in, and wants to believe it themselves.
A Zelda newcomer has been highly requested since ever. And Skull Kid among those is one of the most highly requested. Sure, he pales in comparison to say Isaac or Banjo, but the requests for a Zelda newcomer altogether are comparably big I think and Skull Kid is in the forefront, I think only Midna actually rivals him. The thing is, there are so many choices (Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim, Vaati, Ganon etc) that it just ends up kind of diffusing requests, unlike what happens with most other series (i.e. Metroid was always Ridley, DK was K. Rool and Dixie, Animal Crossing is Isabelle, etc)
That's what I was saying.
 
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I think the Octolings were a safe bet without the expansion. It was forecast with Splatoon one, but made evident with Splatoon 2-
Splatoon is Nintendo's fourth pillar-series (alongside Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon).
5th.
Animal Crossing...yeah, it's a pretty big deal
 

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I hear people talking about being on Loz's discord all the time on here, so it seems to me at least that many are aware of it. Loz lost all credibility with the August Direct, and is now in a private setting where even if they said something, only people in their private club could actually verify it. So, I've lost all interest in following Loz at this point.
Can someone confirm how he lost credit??? I thought he got most of the direct right???

If it's just the all starts thing...well Vergeben said Castlevania games would be revealed for the switch at E3 and he was wrong so...
 

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A Zelda newcomer has been wanted for a long time... and even if we get four this game, a newcomer will still be wanted.
It's pretty audacious of you to group "any Zelda newcomer" into the hype for Skull Kid. (i.e. misleading and unwarranted).
Uhh no? People have been complaining since forever that Zelda's presence in Smash since Melee has been 2 Links, 2 Zeldas and a Captain Falcon wannabe so, overall, a new character has been wanted. Who it'll be it's a whole other story, I'm just saying Skull Kid is one of the most popular of the ones they could pick
 

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Can someone confirm how he lost credit??? I thought he got most of the direct right???

If it's just the all starts thing...well Vergeben said Castlevania games would be revealed for the switch at E3 and he was wrong so...
He didn't lose credit, that guy just doesn't realized that he closed his account because he wants to post leaks on Twitter.
 

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Can someone confirm how he lost credit??? I thought he got most of the direct right???

If it's just the all starts thing...well Vergeben said Castlevania games would be revealed for the switch at E3 and he was wrong so...
His info with the direct wasn't right. Not that it really matters because when Nintendo confirmed the direct Loz went "Disregard what I said, my source told me it was on the 12th", which was information he didn't include in his initial Direct post
 

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Is there a reason we're going to 4chan rumors again?

Can someone confirm how he lost credit??? I thought he got most of the direct right???

If it's just the all starts thing...well Vergeben said Castlevania games would be revealed for the switch at E3 and he was wrong so...
Vergeben did claim Simon would be in, but never said he would be revealed at E3.
 

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Is there a reason we're going to 4chan rumors again?



Vergeben did claim Simon would be in, but never said he would be revealed at E3.
He's referring to Verg also stating a Castlevania collection would be announced, which I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that was just a guess passed off as a leak that he made from knowing Simon was in Smash.
 

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He lost zero credibility with the August direct lmao. He got everything right save for an all star game mode.


That's not Loz lol. He already said it wasn't him on discord
Loz's claims:

CORRECT: The Nintendo Direct will come around August
VAGUE: Info will be shown from the title screen to the menu options.
WRONG: Three modes will be shown besides All-Star Mode.
OBVIOUS: Tournament mode is returning.
DEAD WRONG: The new mode will be revealed and it will be the primary way to unlock characters.

This was my feeling looking at Loz's claims after the Direct. Of course, it's subjective and our tolerance for evidence will differ, but the evidence here tells me they're a mixed bag at best.

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Can someone confirm how he lost credit??? I thought he got most of the direct right???

If it's just the all starts thing...well Vergeben said Castlevania games would be revealed for the switch at E3 and he was wrong so...
Here's my reasoning for why Loz lost credibility with me. Verge, while sometimes vague and could be taking from other "leakers", has been 100% right on Smash so far.
 
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This is irrelevant to everything, but I find the newcomer taglines to be... Really funny for some reason.

Like to us, character reveals are such a big deal. Especially for the likes of K. Rool and Ridley, it's such a monumental occasion to see these guys in Smash, like it's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

But for Nintendo and Sakurai?

"Guys quick help me think of a really stupid pun"
 
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Just like how you know he's in that discord. Someone could have read my comment about it, or anyone else who has made that info public (it has been mentioned several times in Gamefaqs)

There are also well over 100 people on that discord. Not everyone believes what he is saying. And anyone can make a 4chan post.

I personally believe Loz because he got things right in the past. Its not a blind belief. He doesn't even talk about leaks on that discord either. And that's half the reason why I believe him. He says something then doesn't talk about it again. And he's only ever said 3 things after August: A November direct, Skull Kid, and Isaac. That's it. That's all hes ever mentioned.
yeah totally, i was just curious if you knew anything from that discord about this guys post as i dont know how many people are in there.

got any source on him saying isaac, ive seen him suggest isaac but i havent seen it as a legit definitive leak.
 

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Lets be real here none of the remaining Zelda characters hold anything against Skull Kid. When you ask the general person who their fav Zelda character Skull Kid is almost always in the conversation. Not to mention Majoras Mask is regarded as one of the best Zelda games of all time and even video game of all time. He may not be the most popular character within the Smash community but outside of it he sells merch like people scrambling to buy tvs on black friday.
I've actually never really heard about anyone really liking Skull Kid that much (aside from here), so I think that statement's mileage may vary. I never really had a thing for him. The mask was cool but he was not.
 

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they need to go with tomb raider anniversary lara, makes sense since it's a straight upgrade of her TR1 design
No doubt about it.

This is irrelevant to everything, but I find the newcomer taglines to be... Really funny for some reason.

Like to us, character reveals are such a big deal. Especially for the likes of K. Rool and Ridley, it's such a monumental occasion to see these guys in Smash, like it's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

But for Nintendo?

"Guys quick help me think of a really stupid pun"
Ridley's tagline is simply the best.
 
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This is irrelevant to everything, but I find the newcomer taglines to be... Really funny for some reason.

Like to us, character reveals are such a big deal. Especially for the likes of K. Rool and Ridley, it's such a monumental occasion to see these guys in Smash, like it's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

But for Nintendo?

"Guys quick help me think of a really stupid pun"
Too bad Japan is lame on this regard.

I find it funny that, in Smash 4, the only characters to not gets puns were Capcom boys.
 
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Despite that I'm doing the same for Banjo and Hana ****ing Fuda because I refuse to believe that can happen under any circumstance
Banjo is possible if the stars align, and there are a lot of stars that need to align.

I agree with you on Hanafuda though. :laugh:
This is irrelevant to everything, but I find the newcomer taglines to be... Really funny for some reason.

Like to us, character reveals are such a big deal. Especially for the likes of K. Rool and Ridley, it's such a monumental occasion to see these guys in Smash, like it's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

But for Nintendo?

"Guys quick help me think of a pun"
The thing about the character taglines people tend to forget is that they're western exclusive.

All the characters get a generic "[Character] 参戦!" in the Japanese version (it roughly translates to "[Character] Joins the Battle!")

People seem to believe that Sakurai writes them, when he obviously doesn't (and can't, because good puns take a good working knowledge of the language you're punning in and Sakurai doesn't speak English).
 
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Not sure how many people genuinely believe the music theory, but I wanted to show everyone the remaining series that haven't gotten a remix on the site yet.

:ultmario::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultness::ultpit::ultwario::ultsonic::ultolimar::ultrob::ultvillager::ultwiifittrainer::ultlittlemac::ultshulk::ultduckhunt::ultbayonetta:
(:ulticeclimbers::ultgnw::ultcloud: are likely not getting remixes based off the Direct.)

So just to recap, almost every newcomer has gotten a remix on the Ultimate website shortly after their official reveal (:ultinkling::ultridley::ultsimon::ultrichter::ultchrom::ultkrool:). Seeing how we have about 14 weeks until release, most of the franchises I listed will probably get a remix before then.

However, isn't it a little strange that popular franchises like Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and Sonic haven't gotten anything yet? Going off the pattern from previous characters, it wouldn't suprise me if these franchises were purposely being held off so they could get a remix to tie in with a newcomer reveal (Paper Mario/Geno, Gen VII Pokemon, Isabelle, Shadow). Now obviously this theory isn't perfect, as Ken could be revealed without a proper SF remix. Still, I can't help but feel like these missing franchises could be a hint as to what we'll get in the future.
Actually I just had a thought and I wanted your opinion. Mayne echoes aren't tied to music reveals? Daisy didn't get a Mario one and Dark Samus was revealed seperate from the Metroid song. Richter is hard to say obviously, and while Chrom did get one it was 2 weeks after unlike Inkling and King K. Rool's which was the week after.

Just a thought that music might not discredit echo reveals (good for Impa, bad for Bandanna Waddle Dee).
Is there a reason we're going to 4chan rumors again?



Vergeben did claim Simon would be in, but never said he would be revealed at E3.
He did say Konami's secret reveal would be Castlevania games on the switch and they weren't. Basically he got something wrong and people still look at his stuff.
 

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I hear people talking about being on Loz's discord all the time on here, so it seems to me at least that many are aware of it. Loz lost all credibility with the August Direct, and is now in a private setting where even if they said something, only people in their private club could actually verify it. So, I've lost all interest in following Loz at this point.

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Loz certainly knew about E3, but everything after that was either vague, obvious, wrong, or still yet to be determined. So, at least for me, Loz has lost all credibility. And particularly with Skull Kid--they wore their bias right on their sleeve on Twitter after mentioning him. Kind of hard to take them seriously as a "leaker". I wear my bias on my sleeve, but I don't claim to offer anything but opinion. :upsidedown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROUSc-WbhM

This is all I have to say in the matter. He effectively leaked the August direct way early. He has posted PMs about leaking K. Rool and Skull Kid BEFORE the August direct ever was public (he leaked this info in JUNE, but it was never public to gamefaqs until the day after the direct when people were asking him questions about all his other comments).

If this doesn't make you believe in Loz, then I have nothing else to say on the matter. Its up to all of you individually to have your own opinions and judgements in the guy after this moment. Not talking about it anymore until the next direct either supports or denies his claims.
 

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Funny. I heard the exact same thing about Ridley and K. Rool on repeat for months before they destroyed people like this.
I guess by that argument, any character who is dismissed by even a single fan, is considered a shoo-in, to you.

Uhh no? People have been complaining since forever that Zelda's presence in Smash since Melee has been 2 Links, 2 Zeldas and a Captain Falcon wannabe so, overall, a new character has been wanted. Who it'll be it's a whole other story, I'm just saying Skull Kid is one of the most popular of the ones they could pick
Yes, a newcomer is wanted for Zelda- but that does not amalgamate into Skull Kid being the one.
 

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What if they want to announce them both in the exact same trailer BECAUSE of their similarities? First the evil puppet terrorizes the heroes, then the good puppet comes in to resque them. I could see it happen. ..to be honest I doubt they're gonna make it in as well, but I'm also not counting out the possibility altogether.

That would be the most hype reveal of all time.

After Waluigi's ;)
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROUSc-WbhM

This is all I have to say in the matter. He effectively leaked the August direct way early. He has posted PMs about leaking K. Rool and Skull Kid BEFORE the August direct ever was public (he leaked this info in JUNE, but it was never public to gamefaqs until the day after the direct when people were asking him questions about all his other comments).

If this doesn't make you believe in Loz, then I have nothing else to say on the matter. Its up to all of you individually to have your own opinions and judgements in the guy after this moment. Not talking about it anymore until the next direct either supports or denies his claims.
I've watched that, and have generally followed Loz ever since they were right about E3. And that's why I think they had real info on the E3 Direct. But as my post earlier shows my reasoning why after the August Direct, Loz's claims became a mixed bag.
 

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Yes, a newcomer is wanted for Zelda- but that does not amalgamate into Skull Kid being the one.
That's why I said he's one of the most wanted. Never said he's the only one people want or whatever.
I even said back then that there many characters Zelda fans want
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROUSc-WbhM

This is all I have to say in the matter. He effectively leaked the August direct way early. He has posted PMs about leaking K. Rool and Skull Kid BEFORE the August direct ever was public (he leaked this info in JUNE, but it was never public to gamefaqs until the day after the direct when people were asking him questions about all his other comments).

If this doesn't make you believe in Loz, then I have nothing else to say on the matter. Its up to all of you individually to have your own opinions and judgements in the guy after this moment. Not talking about it anymore until the next direct either supports or denies his claims.
Can you provide links to him talking about K. Rool and the Smash Direct in June? I'm curious about that, as I don't remember anything like that happening back in June. From what I remember, the rumors about the Direct started around mid-July.
 
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