Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Over9000BPM]

I still think Samus has a great chance of getting her suit updated to Samus Returns. Her old design was probably a placeholder for the showcase until they completed the new one. Sakurai is a professional, after all he updated Zelda's reps.

God I hope so, I want SR Zamus too

 

[DarthEnderX]

I feel more modern characters should be a thing, I'm tired of seeing kids get **** on for liking things so they should be fed some bones too imo. Like, yesterday I saw a bunch of old neckbeards whine about that "Kids have dancing classes for Fortnite dances" and there's always how Minecraft was hated because kids like it, They got Inklings so far but maybe another casual friendly newcomer is in order

I think the thing is that the best Smash characters are the iconic characters.

The probably with newer characters is we don't KNOW if they're going to be iconic yet.

Yeah, Fortnite is popular now. But is anyone still going to care about it in 5 years? You won't know for 5 years.

Conversely, people who were into Contra or Super Mario RPG or Ninja Gaiden 20 years ago still seem to be into it now.

With retro characters, you have the benefit of already KNOWING which ones are iconic, and who stood the test of time. You can't do that with modern characters because it's too early to tell.

 

[RouffWestie]

How about a game until a new major leak pops up? (I have an odd hunch we'll know everything about the game by late September and a September or October direct will confirm some big controversial leak)

You can add up to 4 new characters, literally anyone you want that has appeared in a video game before (yes, even shrek or Goku, but preferably from a Nintendo console game or handheld), but you have to axe a character from each previous SSB game.

Cut Corrin for Wonder Red
Cut Lucario for Paper Mario
Cut Dr. Mario for Tetromino
Cut Jigglypuff for Banjo-Kazooie

 

[Over9000BPM]

She's on the cover, though.

This is why I made a thread about dlc skins

 

[Cutie Gwen]

God I hope so, I want SR Zamus too

We HAVE SR Zero Suit Samus only with uglier but more practical heels

I still think Samus has a great chance of getting her suit updated to Samus Returns. Her old design was probably a placeholder for the showcase until they completed the new one. Sakurai is a professional, after all he updated Zelda's reps.

I highly ****ing doubt it's a placeholder after nearly 2 year of development. You'd have more luck getting a DLC costume of it

 

[Over9000BPM]

We HAVE SR Zero Suit Samus only with uglier but more practical heels
I highly ****ing doubt it's a placeholder after nearly 2 year of development. You'd have more luck getting a DLC costume of it

I wish.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Someone suggested the idea that Isabelle could have her alt costumes be different AC characters ala Bowser JR - that would be fun

 

[Deleted member]

I disagree. Incineroar would be a grappler fighter. I mean its a Heel Pokemon after all.

It's, like, my opinion, man

What would your reaction be if Lycanroc ended up being the next character reveal?

I know we discussed chances a lot for Lycanroc, but I have not seen much thoughts on reactions to his potential reveal.

I'd be pretty hyped to have another non-bipedal fighter and I could feeo the Stealth Rock special being great from a mile away.

 

[Over9000BPM]

These look nothing alike to me. Cutie Gwen

 

[PlugMeister]

The demo leak was fake? Wow, how absolutely unexpected. Didn't see that coming at all.

 

[Deleted member]

I still think Samus has a great chance of getting her suit updated to Samus Returns. Her old design was probably a placeholder for the showcase until they completed the new one. Sakurai is a professional, after all he updated Zelda's reps.

My guess is they wanted to further differentiate 's and 's appearances as 's helmet looks a lot like the one wears in Samus Returns, and thus they kept the Other M design.

 

[osby]

These look nothing alike to me.

Not much you can do about it. At least they look like same characters, unlike say, Zelda.

 

[Garteam]

What would your reaction be if Incineroar ends up being the next character reveal?

I'd be pretty bummed out, there's so many better options from Gen 7 than another heavy weight with a fire affinity.

 

[lightdrago]

Lets see.


Ivysaur is fire.

Given that, we need a grass or fire. So icinaroar would work.

Ivysaur is Grass. Grass/Poison if you want to be specific.

 

[Over9000BPM]

Not much you can do about it. At least they look like same characters, unlike say, Zelda.

Yeah, a friend of mine is absolutely distraught over Zelda as the TP Zelda has enormous sentimental value to her. This is supposed to be the “Ultimate” Smash and yet Sakurai is radically redesigning much loved characters without letting us use the older versions we love.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, a friend of mine is absolutely distraught over Zelda as the TP Zelda has enormous sentimental value to her. This is supposed to be the “Ultimate” Smash and yet Sakurai is radically redesigning much loved characters without letting us use the older versions we love.

At least your friend isn't acting like some kind of incel in denial I guess

 

[Pit93]

I still think Samus has a great chance of getting her suit updated to Samus Returns. Her old design was probably a placeholder for the showcase until they completed the new one. Sakurai is a professional, after all he updated Zelda's reps

I would LOOOOOOOVE that! I haven't played Samus in Sm4sh at all, because I hate the Other M-design of her suit.

 

[Jetsurge]

Yeah, a friend of mine is absolutely distraught over Zelda as the TP Zelda has enormous sentimental value to her. This is supposed to be the “Ultimate” Smash and yet Sakurai is radically redesigning much loved characters without letting us use the older versions we love.

I was over the moon that they redesigned the Zelda characters. I always hated the TP designs. They looked awful in Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

TP Zelda is the most horrible Zelda design I've ever seen and I'm so glad it's gone, it looks nothing like Zelda and I literally couldn't play as her simply because of it. TP looks like she wants to die and kills all wildlife in her proximity but Ultimate Zelda gives life to everyone in a 10km radius around her.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Speaking of DLC costumes, I hope they allow for those instead of just mii costumes. Mii costumes were cool and all but there's a lot more you can do with the characters you're allowed to use online. For example, more of Mario's costumes from Odyssey, different Links and Zeldas, Ganondorf's glorious beard, Marth's Melee and Brawl look, the butt ton of silly outfits that Lucina got in FE Heroes....

 

[Over9000BPM]

At least your friend isn't acting like some kind of incel in denial I guess

Boy that escalated quickly.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

TP Zelda is the most horrible Zelda design I've ever seen and I'm so glad it's gone, it looks nothing like Zelda and I literally couldn't play as her simply because of it. TP looks like she wants to die and kills all wildlife in her proximity but Ultimate Zelda gives life to everyone in a 10km radius around her.

I mean wouldn't you want to die after consistently being bottom 3?

 

[Metal Shop X]

These look nothing alike to me.

The suit is the same and Samus show more muscles like in SR, the difference are the heels, the bracelet the reduced breast, the hairstyle (who is more inspired by Zero Mission) and the face (who I might add, is probably unfinished, like alot of human characters faces). It's a fusion of SR design and her Smash 4 design with a touch off the Zero Mission design.

Honestly, I feel like the only reason Samus didn't get her SR design was because she was one of the first character to be made for Ultimate. Due to this and SR not being announced at the time if I remember correctly, Sakurai decided to keep her Smash 4 design due to lack of new Metroid game at the time. Sometime later, as it was ZSS turn, the Smash team probably got a few notes from the SR team and they either redesigned ZSS to be more like her SR design, or just got her design early enough to start working on it.

In all cases, ZSS wasn't done in time for the E3 trailer, and she isn't alone, loads of characters have weird or bad face that peoples have already point out.

Also, muscles > boobs, actual fact right here.

 

[Flynn__]

What would your reaction be if Lycanroc ended up being the next character reveal?

I know we discussed chances a lot for Lycanroc, but I have not seen much thoughts on reactions to his potential reveal.

"Ok werk".

And I'd be happy because there would be no more arguments about which Pokémon deserves to get the Pokémon spot this time.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Speaking of the SNES era, I got a SNES Classic today.
Really looking forward to playing some of the old games connected to Smash lore I have never played before

Friendly reminder that there's only 3 games on that system that aren't represented in Smash yet.

Finish it Nintendo! Bill Rizer and Arthur for playable characters! Randi for AT!

 

[MrRoidley]

I absolutely love they redesigned the Zelda characters, in fact, I think the TP designs overstayed their welcome: with Skyward Sword and OoT3D fresh out the oven back then in SSB4, keeping Link, Zelda, Sheik and Ganondorf with their TP designs was the weirdest thing to me

Ultimate not only updated Link (and to an extension Sheik) to BOTW, but also made it a way multiple generations of Zelda are represented:

• SNES: Zelda
• N64: Young Link, Ganondorf
• GCN/DS: Toon Link
• Wii U/Switch: Link, Sheik

I can get tho why TP fans may be sad. They went from having 4 designs from it (3 if you not count Sheik) to zero in Ultimate

 

[Over9000BPM]

The suit is the same and Samus show more muscles like in SR, the difference are the heels, the bracelet the reduced breast, the hairstyle (who is more inspired by Zero Mission) and the face (who I might add, is probably unfinished, like alot of human characters faces). It's a fusion of SR design and her Smash 4 design with a touch off the Zero Mission design.

Honestly, I feel like the only reason Samus didn't get her SR design was because she was one of the first character to be made for Ultimate. Due to this and SR not being announced at the time if I remember correctly, Sakurai decided to keep her Smash 4 design due to lack of new Metroid game at the time. Sometime later, as it was ZSS turn, the Smash team probably got a few notes from the SR team and they either redesigned ZSS to be more like her SR design, or just got her design early enough to start working on it.

In all cases, ZSS wasn't done in time for the E3 trailer, and she isn't alone, loads of characters have weird or bad face that peoples have already point out.

Also, muscles > boobs, actual fact right here.

Regarding your last statement, The actual SR version has both.

 

[Lyndis_]

That's the unfortunate part about design changes, someone is always going to prefer the old design.

For example, I love Super Metroid Samus and hate the Other M suit. Really wish they had changed it to quite literally any other varia suit from the series but that one or just didn't change it from Super.

 

[Metal Shop X]

The actual SR version has both.

I don't need boobs to like a woman with muscles.

If you think ZSS design doesn't work without big boobs, fine, but I don't need them to enjoy a woman that can kick ass. (really my only problem is the face, but like I said, it's probably going to get fix it later on.)



'still miss Snake ass a bit tho.

 

[Mc.Rad]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1034787764468768768


Hey nerds wanna speculate over this? lol

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I absolutely love they redesigned the Zelda characters, in fact, I think the TP designs overstayed their welcome: with Skyward Sword and OoT3D fresh out the oven back then in SSB4, keeping Link, Zelda, Sheik and Ganondorf with their TP designs was the weirdest thing to me

Ultimate not only updated Link (and to an extension Sheik) to BOTW, but also made it a way multiple generations of Zelda are represented:

• SNES: Zelda
• N64: Young Link, Ganondorf
• GCN/DS: Toon Link
• Wii U/Switch: Link, Sheik

I can get tho why TP fans may be sad. They went from having 4 designs from it (3 if you not count Sheik) to zero in Ultimate

Yeah, went from primary representation to a stage and an assist trophy.

RIP Ganondorf's beard.

 

[osby]

I don't need boobs to like a woman with muscles.

If you think ZSS design doesn't work without big boobs, fine, but I don't need them to enjoy a woman that can kick ***. (really my only problem is the face, but like I said, it's probably going to get fix it later on.)



'still miss Snake *** a bit tho.

Well, I don't need *** to enjoy a guy who can kick mine.

 

[MrRoidley]

and about Samus, keeping her Other M design really bummed me. Not because I disliked it (I have nothing against it, for what Other M tried to do it worked and it looked cool in SSB4 imo), but when Samus Returns has this really slick Varia Suit, and ZSS somewhat was updated to Samus Returns's design as well, I was pretty disappointed

 

[Guybrush20X6]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1034787764468768768


Hey nerds wanna speculate over this? lol

I think we covered that a while back.

 

[KMDP]

Also, muscles > boobs, actual fact right here.

But Blue Hunter Z...

I raise a question.

 

[Paperchampion23]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1034787764468768768


Hey nerds wanna speculate over this? lol

Well this means nothing for smash, but I feel like we are getting close to that fall direct promotion time. It's going to happen soon. If not next week, within the next two weeks after that I'm sure.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Well this means nothing for smash, but I feel like we are getting close to that fall direct promotion time. It's going to happen soon. If not next week, within the next two weeks after that I'm sure.

That is interesting, since Loz18 said that some characters are in to promote future games... I wonder if it means that one of those games is the fabled F-Zero sequel

 

[Deleted member]

The only good TP design is Ganondorf. Don't @ me.

I mean wouldn't you want to die after consistently being bottom 3?

Hehe I'd like to be the bottom of three people

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1034787764468768768


Hey nerds wanna speculate over this? lol

I'd lose my **** if they announced a Dragalia character for Smash because it would be too goddamn funny

 

[MrRoidley]

I can totally see Dragalia getting a song or two in Ultimate

and who knows they pull a Corrin and add a playable character as DLC

 

[Over9000BPM]

But Blue Hunter Z...

I raise a question.

SOMEONE GETS IT.