Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

This thread is moving a lot faster than I expected it to.

I do have a concept idea if Adventure mode does somehow return. It would basically involve the Legend of Zelda stage, and a possible mid-boss for it.

Lynel
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The Lynel serves as a mid-boss for the Legend of Zelda stage. How powerful the Lynel will be depends on the set intensity, along with the difficulty route that the stage takes place at.

Intensity | Route | Lynel Variant
0.0 - 1.9 | All Routes | Lynel
2.0 - 2.9 | Easy and Normal | Lynel
2.0 - 2.9 | Hard | Blue-Maned Lynel
3.0 - 4.9 | Easy | Lynel
3.0 - 4.9 | Normal | Blue-Maned Lynel
3.0 - 4.9 | Hard | White-Maned Lynel
5.0 - 7.9 | Easy | Blue-Maned Lynel
5.0 - 7.9 | Normal | White-Maned Lynel
5.0 - 7.9 | Hard | Silver Lynel
8.0 - 9.0 | Easy | White-Maned Lynel
8.0 - 9.0 | Normal | Silver Lynel
8.0 - 9.0 | Hard | Golden Lynel

The Lynel's coloration also determines its damage multiplier.

• Lynel: 1x
• Blue-Maned Lynel: 1.2x
• White-Maned Lynel: 1.4x
• Silver Lynel: 1.6x
• Golden Lynel: 1.8x

The stronger Lynel variants will reward players with greater prizes when defeated, but they'll also be more aggressive with their attacks. All Lynel variants are also impervious to flinching, except when the player manages to land a strong hit on their faces, which will leave them temporarily stunned.

You know, I have to say that is an amazing idea. I like your creativity, that could be a large enemy. Those things are really strong in BOTW I heard, and they do look like a simple yet strong idea for an Adventure Mode. Great idea!

Every time someone uses the term "joke character" wrong, I cringe.

You and I relate a lot, buddy.

I think Owen would be a great addition to smash.

You should add more context to your posts so it makes more sense. Opossum is right, Owen from what?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You and I relate a lot, buddy.

Because of one thing?

...

Sure, whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I didn't even use the term creativity in my posts?

He would offer a unique perspective that I think would lend itself well to a creative director.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I like those characters. They're fun. Like how you can capture a Pirahna Plant in Super Mario Odyssey. You can't move and all you can do is shoot goo that would harm you. That **** is awesome.

I want Pichu back. Even if he is purposefully bad, it adds novelty to the game and he's a deserved character with his own merits. I mean he's a baby version of Pikachu, the series mascot. How awesome is that? I got bored of Pikachu in Melee so it was nice to have an alternate form of him.

And while that's fine, what we're calling you out for is calling characters like Crash Bandicoot "joke characters", which they would not be in any sense of the word.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And while that's fine, what we're calling you out for is calling characters like Crash Bandicoot "joke characters", which they would not be in any sense of the word.

I don't care.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If I see that thing in another game, I'm gonna **** my pants, drop the controller, and cower under my bed.

The weakest Lynel would be rather easy to handle, since its attacks would be the least damaging. The Golden Lynel, however, would be highly dangerous, as its 1.8x damage multiplier could result in it easily 1-hit KOing you if you're not careful. Fortunately, the Golden Lynel would only appear if you set the intensity to 8.0+, and take the Hard route; as such, in the 8.0 - 9.0 intensity range, you can avoid encountering the Silver Lynel or Golden Lynel if you only choose the Easy route, but a White-Maned Lynel encounter would be inevitable if the Easy route leads to a Legend of Zelda stage.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Are you from an alternate universe where Super Smash Bros was developed by Delphine Software or something?

I don't know what you mean.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't know what you mean.

I kind of interpreted your post in that you were saying Super Smash Bros was developed by an inexperienced director. Was I wrong?
(Delphine Software developed Shaq Fu. That was the joke.)

 

[Deleted member]

If they added an Adventure mode, I would like to be a lot more diverse. Add Lynels with diversity, many Mario enemies ( not just Goombas / Koopas ), Add Waddle Dees and Waddle Doos, etc. Adventure mode should not be too overfilled but it should be diverse which makes it look eye candy and fun.

Because of one thing?

...

Sure, whatever makes you sleep at night.

You calling me crazy?
It was a joke, I do not mean we relate a lot. I just agree with you on that one thing.

I don't care.

I don't know what you mean.

You really had to make a post containing only that response, Jinjo? At least go more into depth about it.
Psychic, same for you. Sorry if it looks like I am backseat moderating but I just do not want this thread's space ruined by short answers like these.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You really had to make a post containing only that response? At least go more into depth about it.

I was basically telling a guy whom I blocked for sending me messages of other users I blocked that I don't want to hear from him.

And that I don't care about the conflict in our interpretations of the word "joke" and the term "joke character"

It's a semantics argument based on an already established misunderstanding. So I literally am not interesting in arguing about it. Especially when I blocked him.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't care.

If you're just going to give a jerkass, angry response like that when we're calmly explaining something, then I think you should calm down.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of...

Please don't backseat moderate. If people aren't willing to give reasonable responses with any useful context/answers, just don't reply at all. If they're bothering you, you can ignore the user instead. Sometimes it's better to not reply and let it go.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Sorry... Wasn't really trying to backseat moderate, just sharing my opinion.

But oh well, not going to start arguing over that, so I'll be a good boy and behave.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I still think Adventure Mode bosses are an interesting subject to discuss.

 

[Deleted member]

Adventure Mode is honestly fun, kind of sad they removed it in Smash for Wii U. Adventure mode was a nice way to test out combo skill actually and the diversity was nice. They should make it longer and have save-points and you can chose your own character, but that would take long. I think the Melee one but imported into something different and better would be nice. I kind of miss Adventure Mode now that we users are discussing it here in this thread.

Speaking of...

Please don't backseat moderate. If people aren't willing to give reasonable responses with any useful context/answers, just don't reply at all. If they're bothering you, you can ignore the user instead. Sometimes it's better to not reply and let it go.

Was not trying to back-seat moderate either. My apologies for making my post like that. I always try to respect the administrators, moderators and the rules.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I still think Adventure Mode bosses is an interesting subject to discuss.

I can think of a few:

• Petey Piranha (Mario)
• King Boo (Mario)
• Mechawiggler (Mario)
• Kraid (Metroid)
• Porky (MOTHER)
• Gigyas (MOTHER)
• Naval Piranha (Yoshi)
• pretty much every single Kirby boss can work...
• KAOS (Donkey Kong)
• Mugly (Donkey Kong)
• Ghoma (The Legend of Zelda)
• Necrozma (Pokemon)
• Rayquaza (Pokemon)
• Andross (Star Fox) [assuming he isn't an Assist Trophy again]
• Chef (Game & Watch) [why not]
• King Hippo (Punch-Out!!)
• DJ Octavio (Splatoon)
• Dr. Eggman (Sonic)
• Dr. Wily (Mega Man)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I had a few boss ideas in my Adventure Mode Concept, that I thought would be cool:
https://smashboards.com/threads/sup...tion-discussion.434391/page-330#post-21914773

• Whispy Woods
• Pigma (Star Fox Command)
• Gieuge (Earthbound Beginnings)
• Raphael The Raven
• Pandora & Dark Pit (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
• Louie & The Titan Dweevil
• Mecha Bowser
• Metal Face
• Metal Sonic (with his powers from Sonic 4: Episode II/Metal)
• Yellow Devil
• Giga Bowser & Ganon

There's context for the levels they appear in. What bosses would you wanna see in a Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch Adventure Mode?

I'm not too sure about the idea of facing Giga Bowser AND Ganon at the same time. It's already hard enough just trying to defeat Giga Bowser when he's alone.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm not too sure about the idea of facing Giga Bowser AND Ganon at the same time. It's already hard enough just trying to defeat Giga Bowser when he's alone.

Melee Event 51 though. Giga Bowser, Ganondorf, AND Mewtwo. That fight was baller. Much better than Smash 4's. Brawl's was good though.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not too sure about the idea of facing Giga Bowser AND Ganon at the same time. It's already hard enough just trying to defeat Giga Bowser when he's alone.

In the end of Melee Event Mode, you have to fight Mewtwo, Giga Bowser and Ganondorf. With multiple stocks against you I think. It is actually a lot easier than you think, I played the games. Just learn how to rack up damage and to be more safe. I got it in like a shot I think.

Melee Event 51 though. Giga Bowser, Ganondorf, AND Mewtwo. That fight was baller. Much better than Smash 4's. Brawl's was good though.

AHH you beat me to the punch.

I can think of a few:

• Petey Piranha (Mario)
• King Boo (Mario)
• Mechawiggler (Mario)
• Kraid (Metroid)
• Porky (MOTHER)
• Gigyas (MOTHER)
• Naval Piranha (Yoshi)
• pretty much every single Kirby boss can work...
• KAOS (Donkey Kong)
• Mugly (Donkey Kong)
• Ghoma (The Legend of Zelda)
• Necrozma (Pokemon)
• Rayquaza (Pokemon)
• Andross (Star Fox) [assuming he isn't an Assist Trophy again]
• Chef (Game & Watch) [why not]
• King Hippo (Punch-Out!!)
• DJ Octavio (Splatoon)
• Dr. Eggman (Sonic)
• Dr. Wily (Mega Man)

The Heavy Lobster would be a good option to be honest. Shooting little versions of himself, him riding all over you, firing blasters at you. Poor Heavy Lobster should get more love, a fun boss in Kirby Super Star. Instead of Necrozma, I say Ultra Necrozma. I would say that if any series could have a final boss, Kirby is the best one by far. Zero, Zero 2 and Galacta Knight would all make great final bosses to be honest. Especially Galacta Knight.

 

[Deleted member]

In the end of Melee Event Mode, you have to fight Mewtwo, Giga Bowser and Ganondorf. With multiple stocks against you I think. It is actually a lot easier than you think, I played the games. Just learn how to rack up damage and to be more safe. I got it in like a shot I think.

Oh yes, I remember my first time playing this event. Thought they were all level nine but I soon found out the CPUs were only level five (level six for Giga Bowser). The fact they take up most of the stage is what makes the event a big pain. Did you ever try constant planking on the ledge? You could of saved a good amount of time since the A.I. was pretty dumb as to be laughable and comical. They tend to SD trying to hit you. I was singing the chorus to I Love It When You Call Me Big Poppa when I beat this event for the first time. Between you and me, Final Destination is the only good stage in Melee.

Sayonara

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm not too sure about the idea of facing Giga Bowser AND Ganon at the same time. It's already hard enough just trying to defeat Giga Bowser when he's alone.

There could be a cut scene before the battle where it seems all is lost and you're helpless in the face of Giga Bowser & Ganon together. Then a Mega Mushroom falls from the sky and lands on you. Now you're ready to fight them Godzilla style.

Then the ending cut scene you use your Final Smash to finish them off.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd liked to know why Rabbids are considered to be iconic. They've had a few popular installments (which resided in mediocrity after last decade until the recent crossover) but you can't argue that Rabbids changed the video game industry or is even an icon of a specific genre like Mega Man is to platformers or Bomberman is to multi-player. Considering that third-parties/first-party of rival companies have to hold more weight for a potential addition than Nintendo characters in general to justify their inclusion, there's already a double digit amount of possible characters that would make bigger headlines than the Rabbids. I know there's the casual argument but if they need a "casual" third-party addition, wouldn't someone like Steve be better?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'd liked to know why Rabbids are considered to be iconic. They've had a few popular installments (which resided in mediocrity after last decade until the recent crossover) but you can't argue that Rabbids changed the video game industry or is even an icon of a specific genre like Mega Man is to platformers or Bomberman is to multi-player. Considering that third-parties/first-party of rival companies have to hold more weight for a potential addition than Nintendo characters in general to justify their inclusion, there's already a double digit amount of possible characters that would make bigger headlines than the Rabbids. I know there's the casual argument but if they need a "casual" third-party addition, wouldn't someone like Steve be better?

Now that I think about it. A Minecraft character is a really interesting idea. It's the demographic and fanbase of the game that poisons my view of it though.

There's a lot of Third Party material that could work as NON CHARACTER content. (Stages, Assist Trophies, Items)

• Tetris
• Pong
• Minecraft
• Space Invaders
• Namco Arcade games
• Square Enix RPGs
• Puyo Puyo
  
• Rabbids
• Dragon Quest
• Monster Hunter
• Minecraft
• Yo-Kai Watch

 

[Nonno Umby]

Honestly I don't see Rayman or Rabbids as likely as people assume. While they are popular, we should remember that Sakurai sees Smash as a celebration of Japanese gaming, and as a way to promote it in the West. Source Gaming pubblished an article about it, but I can't find it right now.

So I would say that it is more likely that they will negotiate with Konami for Bomberman, the requested veteran Snake and/or Simon Belmont, all characters with a rich history in Japanese gaming.

And if Sakurai, or the next director, chooses to break the convention and add a western TP character, it would probably be Crash (who was requested in Japan since the Smash 2 Poll, even more than Mega Man and Sonic: https://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/ ) or Steve from Minecraft, since they are both extremely popular in Japan.
And let's not forget how japanese players reacted to ArtsyOmni's Rayman leak:
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/02/16/japanese-reaction-to-fake-rayman-leak/

 

[Deleted member]

Yet we have Rayman trophies in Smash, along with Commander Video.

Can we really rule out guests from non-Japanese origin?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Honestly I don't see Rayman or Rabbids as likely as people assume. While they are popular, we should remember that Sakurai sees Smash as a celebration of Japanese gaming, and as a way to promote it in the West. Source Gaming pubblished an article about it, but I can't find it right now.

So I would say that it is more likely that they will negotiate with Konami for Bomberman, the requested veteran Snake and/or Simon Belmont, all characters with a rich history in Japanese gaming.

And if Sakurai, or the next director, chooses to break the convention and add a western TP character, it would probably be Crash (who was requested in Japan since the Smash 2 Poll, even more than Mega Man and Sonic: https://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/ ) or Steve from Minecraft, since they are both extremely popular in Japan.
And let's not forget how japanese players reacted to ArtsyOmni's Rayman leak:
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/02/16/japanese-reaction-to-fake-rayman-leak/

A few tweets semi-complaining about Rayman, and then tweets complaining when it turned out fake. I'm not sure what that suggests.
[Edit] I forgot to mention that Crash only had 4 votes on that poll thing.

Yet we have Rayman trophies in Smash, along with Commander Video.

Can we really rule out guests from non-Japanese origin?

No one said anything about ruling characters out. He was talking about likelihood.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I know everyone has characters they want, and characters they think “deserve” a spot due to the seniority in gaming, past or current popularity, or perceived iconic status.

...But, to be completely honest, I don’t understand a lot of the choices some people make when they honestly believe a character has a chance on coming to Smash Bros.

First and foremost it’s a Nintendo game leaning in favor of a Japanese audience. Secondly, I feel Sakurai takes a meticulous amount of time to decide the roster so it all meshes well. Some of the character choices I’ve seen just seem like unnecessary additions that would muddy up the roster.

For example, with third parties, I don’t really understand why people want Bomberman, Crash Bandicoot, Rayman, Steve (Minecraft), and even some first party choices like Daisy and Waluigi just seem pointless to me. I don’t feel they are on the same level of iconic as the likes of Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, etc.

And that’s not to say all the first party additions are iconic, but they have their foot in the door being 1st party, Nintendo owned, and/or internationally popular, but more so in Japan.

I feel like the next logical character choice for a Mario rep is Paper Mario. Represents a popular spinoff of Nintendo’s biggest franchise. Unique moveset set potential (Not some hodgepodge mess of a moveset with people grasping at straws to make a character seem valid.)

As for 3rd Parties, I feel like the only logical choices are Hero (Dragon Quest), Monster Hunter (though World not coming to the Switch May nip that.), Heihachi (Since was was considered for WiiU/3DS), and maybe Sora from Kingdom Hearts if they could get the licensing from Square AND Disney. Which I don’t think is completely out of the question.

Just my opinion on the matter.

 

[Deleted member]

No one said anything about ruling characters out. He was talking about likelihood.

And there's where the problem lies.
When it comes to guests, while we each have our own beliefs on which guests are likely and which ones aren't, there is only one undeniable fact.

None of us can really know for sure.

How can we really argue who is more likely than one another when guests are pretty much a wild card?
Would anyone have guessed Snake would have been in Smash prior to Brawl? Let alone as the first guest of the entire Smash franchise?
And while Sonic was universally the most requested among the guests and believed to be a shoe-in, there was a period of time where he wasn't going to be in Brawl. Let that sink in.
Mega Man? Even he had question prior to his reveal.
etc.

In the end, one never really knows just how likely a guest really is.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

That's nonsense. Ivy Valentine is pretty clearly less likely than Nightmare. Being uncertain doesn't mean not being able to make comparisons.

 

[Deleted member]

That's nonsense. Ivy Valentine is pretty clearly less likely than Nightmare. Being uncertain doesn't mean not being able to make comparisons.

No **** you can compare the likelihood between characters from within the same franchise. I thought that went without saying? Guess not.


But tell me this.
Is Nightmare clearly more likely than Lloyd Irving?
Is Lloyd Irving clearly more likely than Nightmare?

Is Nightmare clearly more likely than Slime?
Is Slime clearly more likely than Nightmare?


The answer to all of those questions is "No."
Because there are TOO MANY factors to account for. Factors we literally can't know since guests aren't decided on based on what we believe to be the "more likely".

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Ivy Valentine is less likely than Rayman. Now what?

 

[Deleted member]

Ivy Valentine is less likely than Rayman. Now what?

What the **** has Ivy done to you to warrant such a hate boner?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I have a different kind of boner for her, but why are you deflecting?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I had a few boss ideas in my Adventure Mode Concept, that I thought would be cool:
https://smashboards.com/threads/sup...tion-discussion.434391/page-330#post-21914773

• Whispy Woods
• Pigma (Star Fox Command)
• Gieuge (Earthbound Beginnings)
• Raphael The Raven
• Pandora & Dark Pit (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
• Louie & The Titan Dweevil
• Mecha Bowser
• Metal Face
• Metal Sonic (with his powers from Sonic 4: Episode II/Metal)
• Yellow Devil
• Giga Bowser & Ganon

There's context for the levels they appear in. What bosses would you wanna see in a Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch Adventure Mode?

Late, but yeah.

I would like to see a Kirby boss like Paintra or Coily Rattler to appear (Anything but Pyribbit since that boss is annoying in many ways).

Maybe an Ultra Beast (Guzzlord would be a good choice) and a Gonzales from Xenoblade (those overgrown apes).

 

[Deleted member]

Deflecting implies there's something to deflect. :^)

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

(Anything but Pyribbit since that boss is annoying in many ways).

No, just no.

Leave that poorly designed boss in Triple Deluxe where it belongs. HAL bringing it back in Team Kirby Clash was a mistake and having him appear in Smash would be a bigger mistake.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Yet we have Rayman trophies in Smash, along with Commander Video.

Can we really rule out guests from non-Japanese origin?

A cameo is way different than a playable character. Actually doesn't it speak for itself that Sakurai had the rights for using Rayman and just relegated him to a trophy?

I'm just stating the fact that Sakurai sees Smash as a promotion for japanese gaming rather than gaming as a whole. If you read my post fully, I even said that Crash and Steve could be added, so I wasn't ruling out a western character.

A few tweets semi-complaining about Rayman, and then tweets complaining when it turned out fake. I'm not sure what that suggests.
[Edit] I forgot to mention that Crash only had 4 votes on that poll thing.
No one said anything about ruling characters out. He was talking about likelihood.

It suggests that Rayman isn't really that big in Japan. And as I said before Smash is made by japanese people with japanese gaming in mind.

Yeah, Crash had 4 votes in that poll, but Sonic and Mega Man had 3 each. And it isn't a mystery that Crash is very loved in Japan.

And there's where the problem lies.
When it comes to guests, while we each have our own beliefs on which guests are likely and which ones aren't, there is only one undeniable fact.

None of us can really know for sure.

How can we really argue who is more likely than one another when guests are pretty much a wild card?
Would anyone have guessed Snake would have been in Smash prior to Brawl? Let alone as the first guest of the entire Smash franchise?
And while Sonic was universally the most requested among the guests and believed to be a shoe-in, there was a period of time where he wasn't going to be in Brawl. Let that sink in.
Mega Man? Even he had question prior to his reveal.
etc.

In the end, one never really knows just how likely a guest really is.

Dude, we are just speculationg. This whole tread is about speculating about the next Smash game. None of us knows how guest characters are chosen, but also none of us knows how characters, stages, anything in general is chosen by the Smash developers. Should we just stop this whole site because we don't know how things work behind the curtain? Absolutely not.

Besides, while we don't know how things work out, Sakurai knows, and he stated that Smash is a celebration of japanese gaming. This means that a western character is less likely than a japanese one on a general sense. Not only becase of the whole celebration thing, but for the language barrier (Sakurai doesn't speak neither English or French), the timezones differences, the cost of flights for supervisions, and the list goes on. There may be an exception? Maybe. So far it hasn't, but who really knows what might happen in the future.

 

[Staarih]

I feel like the next logical character choice for a Mario rep is Paper Mario.

As for 3rd Parties, I feel like the only logical choices are Hero (Dragon Quest), Monster Hunter (though World not coming to the Switch May nip that.)

Yas for Paper Mario.

And actually, I’ve legit been thinking about a Monster Hunter character in Smash. I feel like many are sleeping on this possibility, probably because of ”one rep per 3rd party company”-mentality, which I guess is fair... But I wouldn’t completely count it out seeing how well MH (and DQ) have done on Nintendo platforms, and they’re essentially becoming gaming staples of their own.

As for western 3rd parties, I think a reason for not including them (thus far) may have to do with it simply being more of a hassle to organize? Being different countries and all. Though you’d think with technology/messaging options these days it wouldn’t be too difficult but who knows what goes down when dealing with characters in Smash. For the Rayman trophies in Smash 4, wasn’t it Ubisoft who just sent Sakurai the models to use? So it’s not like Sakurai’s team went through much effort to make them, and nothing more was probably even discussed. Who knows really.

I think the time will come for a western 3rd party some day. Today I’d say Rayman does have a shot (even if Rabbids are the prominent feature of Ubisoft’s latest hit game, if they bother to go into discussion about a character inclusion, I’d think they opt for their mascot) as well as Steve (Minecraft is huge globally, Japan included, and essentially an ”icon” of modern sandbox/creative gaming).

 

[Deleted member]

Melee Event 51 though. Giga Bowser, Ganondorf, AND Mewtwo. That fight was baller. Much better than Smash 4's. Brawl's was good though.

Melee's event-mode was probably my favorite. It was just very simple yet I liked how there were so much levels. I was kind of disappointed that Brawl did not have as much levels as the Melee levels, and even hard difficulty was way too easy. Brawl's Event mode was still a lot of fun, managed to do it all in hard without breaking a sweat. I actually found Smash 4's event mode much much harder than the two combined, because there are only a few I still need to get a reward for ( trying to earn Galacta Knight in Smash 4, got almost all the trophies ). Smash 4's event mode was "showy" ( you said this word way before ), where they tried to make it look hidden and "ooo look, cool prizes! Coins!". How do you feel about Challenge mode? I like Challenge mode actually.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even though we haven't gotten a Western third-party character in Smash yet, I think we can agree that most of the Japanese third parties we have right now are FAR more iconic figures in gaming than a majority of the Western characters we've been discussing in this thread. The only exceptions might be Snake, who was added because someone had to basically beg Sakurai to make it happen, and Bayonetta, who's in solely because of the ballot.

Selecting an iconic Western third-party character out of a comparatively smaller list of options than what you see in Japan who's also recognized world-wide is going to be tricky. Not to mention the fact that any potential director for Smash will probably be Japanese, making their knowledge on Western gaming limited. I'm not saying it's never going to happen, but I can understand why the idea may have not been pushed that much in previous Smash games. At the end of the day, it's just easier and more convenient for Sakurai to look at the iconic characters who were created in his home country.