Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Lukingordex]

In all fairness, the Super Mushroom's effect in Smash is the same as the Mega Mushroom in the Mario games, so we know what he means either way.

I'd love to see the real Mega Mushroom as an item in smash bros. with it's theme playing when someone uses it. It's my favorite power up item by far in the Mario Series, I was devastated when I discovered it didn't return in MK7 and 8

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'd love to see the real Mega Mushroom as an item in smash bros. with it's theme playing when someone uses it. It's my favorite power up item by far in the Mario Series, I was devastated when I discovered it didn't return in MK7 and 8

I wasn't really devastated by the lack of it since the Star and Bullet Bill exist.

 

[Lukingordex]

I wasn't really devastated by the lack of it since the Star and Bullet Bill exist.

The Mega mushroom was a "weaker star" that you could receive at "ok" placings, and it was pretty interesting the way it worked: defending you from thunderbolts by losing the effect of it, and at the same time being defeated by stars and bullet bills (which makes sense). And in battle mode it was even more interesting. As a former mkwii competitive player i really miss it

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

The Mega mushroom was a "weaker star" that you could receive at "ok" placings, and it was pretty interesting the way it worked: defending you from thunderbolts by losing the effect of it, and at the same time being defeated by stars and bullet bills (which makes sense). And in battle mode it was even more interesting. As a former mkwii competitive player i really miss it

tbh I really didn't like the Mega Mushroom in Mario Kart Wii.

Yeah, no other item lets you flatten opponents, but whenever you get it, it's real difficult to control, you can't see that clearly in front of you (especially if you use heavyweights like me), and half the time you can't flatten anyone anyway. Really I just find it annoying no matter who gets it.

 

[Lukingordex]

We're getting off-topic, i think we should just return to the smash bros. Discussion.

I'll convert you guys to the mega mushroom in mario kart church in another opportunity in some other place

 

[PsychoJosh]

I fully support the Mega Mushroom.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I fully support the Mega Mushroom.

Yeah, I'd rather see the Mushrooms in their NSMB form.

 

[UserKev]

They could truncate Target Smash dev time by dividing it up by series. A Mario target test, a Zelda target test, etc. They could even group all the retros together and reuse stage assets if they were so inclined to save dev time. Without crunching any numbers, that would probably bring it back to roughly Melee's number.

Not that I expect this to happen. But it'd be a nice workaround imo.

The Super Mario and Zelda themed etc target smash just gave me a thought. Target smash should get more creative. Like, clever targets only being reachable through a tiny mushroom. The invisible target would attempt to make you sit as the time run out, when its been moving around the stage the entire time, you wouldn't see until every time you paused the game. Little Mac could have a ground based target smash, him punching through weaker walls to hit the target and eventually get to the big target that wouldn't break until hit with several combos.

 

[Deleted member]

The winner was Skull Kid. Midna was in the lead for a while, but he beat her overtime. Then Impa caught up to Midna with Ghirahim lagging behind.

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I'll just do the next Zelda tomorrow for now. That Mario Kart 8 stream I did among other server duties exhausted me.

But I'll say this, expect more fan favorites like Tetra and Ganon (Beast) tomorrow.

Damn, I thought Ghirahim would at least come in second. No matter; it was fun to vote.

Back and ready to do more Zelda. This one is fairly straightforward with a few darkhorses and one controversial character turned Assist Trophy. Your picks are Classic Ganon (Yes, the blue pig form of Dorf with the trident), Tetra, Vaati, and Tingle.

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I'm expecting Ganon to fare well since many want a more unique case than the Ganondorf we have now.

I concur with this, but to me chances are he will remain 's Final Smash. So with that said, I shall vote Tetra simply because someone here recently suggested she transform into Toon Zelda. In spite of her slim chance that makes me happy.

Sayonara

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The Super Mario and Zelda themed etc target smash just gave me a thought. Target smash should get more creative. Like, clever targets only being reachable through a tiny mushroom. The invisible target would attempt to make you sit as the time run out, when its been moving around the stage the entire time, you wouldn't see until every time you paused the game. Little Mac could have a ground based target smash, him punching through weaker walls to hit the target and eventually get to the big target that wouldn't break until hit with several combos.

Pac-Man's could be literally the game Pac-Man, but you have to eat all the targets without getting caught by a ghost.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

The Super Mario and Zelda themed etc target smash just gave me a thought. Target smash should get more creative. Like, clever targets only being reachable through a tiny mushroom. The invisible target would attempt to make you sit as the time run out, when its been moving around the stage the entire time, you wouldn't see until every time you paused the game. Little Mac could have a ground based target smash, him punching through weaker walls to hit the target and eventually get to the big target that wouldn't break until hit with several combos.

Make Sonic's so that you need to keep running through a continuous plane and chase down Targets.

 

[Lukingordex]

Don't you guys think that it would be a bit too much work to do specific stuff like that for each of the 60 characters in the roster the game will likely have?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Don't you guys think that it would be a bit too much work to do specific stuff like that for each of the 60 characters in the roster the game will likely have?

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers ass stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

 

[RandomAce]

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers *** stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

I really liked the Target Tests and Board the Platforms modes from the previous games. The Subspace Emisary was cool and all, but it came at the cost of removing modes like them, and Target Blast in Smash 4 isn't helping.

I have an idea that maybe in the next game they can add an online feature where players try to get the best times on something like Break the Targets and Board the Platforms, heck maybe even allow players to create their own levels. That would be pretty cool and allow people to do something else other than battling eachother online.

 

[Cosmic77]

Don't you guys think that it would be a bit too much work to do specific stuff like that for each of the 60 characters in the roster the game will likely have?

Well...

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers *** stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

Pretty much everything this guy said.

A chunk of Smash 4's development was eaten up because two versions existed. With a single version of the game, doing special stuff like that for 60+ characters isn't too unlikely.

That being said, if they're gonna go out of their way to make something special for that many characters, it had better be a fun and completely different experience each time I play. I'd go nuts if there was a challenge asking me to complete a Smash Tour-esque mode with all 60+ characters.

 

[UserKev]

Pac-Man's could be literally the game Pac-Man, but you have to eat all the targets without getting caught by a ghost.

I forgot to add, a random Cucco can be placed in the Zelda themed target smash as an option you can manipulate against the invisible target.

Make Sonic's so that you need to keep running through a continuous plane and chase down Targets.

This make me realize how easily individual target smash can be brought back.

Don't you guys think that it would be a bit too much work to do specific stuff like that for each of the 60 characters in the roster the game will likely have?

This post almost made me doubt that there were any true smash fans left.

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers *** stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

Yes!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'd love to see the real Mega Mushroom as an item in smash bros. with it's theme playing when someone uses it. It's my favorite power up item by far in the Mario Series, I was devastated when I discovered it didn't return in MK7 and 8

The Mega Mushroom's absence from Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 does make sense though.

 

[Freduardo]

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers *** stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

Smash Run is pretty close to an adventure mode stage in gameplay

 

[NintenRob]

Smash Run is one of the best new modes added to Smash, I really hope it returns and is expanded upon

Although I have my doubts

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

The winner of the last poll was Tetra, other than that the results were pretty close. Tingle is right behind Tetra by a few votes while the same could be said for Ganon and Vaati (who tied with each other).

Next up is a rather special case. Because these four hold na important to Breath of the Wild and had Amibo, I would like to see which one of them are truly the most desired. Your picks are Revali, Daruk, Mipha, and Urbosa.

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Inb4 Rebvali wins because Falco jokes

 

[Bowserlick]

I would pick Breath of the Wild Link over the Champions.

Out of the champions, I think Urbosa is the best fit. She has roughly the same qualities as Link. Even her power bestowed upon the Hylian, is a super version of his charge attack.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I would pick Breath of the Wild Link over the Champions.

Out of the champions, I think Urbosa is the best fit. She has roughly the same qualities as Link. Even her power bestowed upon the Hylian, is a super version of his charge attack.

It's either all of them as one or none of them. Any of them is out of the question for me, but if you're gonna choose one specifically, that's just absurd.

 

[N3ON]

It's either all of them as one or none of them. Any of them is out of the question for me, but if you're gonna choose one specifically, that's just absurd.

If he still has me ignored, someone relay this message to him.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

If he still has me ignored, someone relay this message to him.

pretty much what he said (am I doing this right)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If he still has me ignored, someone relay this message to him.

This is exactly why you're ignored. Because you don't know what a false dichotomy is. And it pisses me off and makes it very difficult to not tell you what I really think about you and everyone who likes up your ridiculously illogical arguments.

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

POKEMON STARTERS AND ZELDA CHARACTERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME GAME. IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME ROLE.

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

EDIT: Actually I ignored you because you grossly misinterpret my posts and argue with me about things I never even said or remotely implied because you leap to assumptions based on your own bias and project that bias on to other people.

But, this is another big reason why.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

This is exactly why you're ignored. Because you don't know what a false dichotomy is. And it pisses me off and makes it very difficult to not tell you what I really think about you and everyone who likes up your ridiculously illogical arguments.

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

POKEMON STARTERS AND ZELDA CHARACTERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME GAME. IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME ROLE.

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

bro chill out

 

[Opossum]

This is exactly why you're ignored. Because you don't know what a false dichotomy is. And it pisses me off and makes it very difficult to not tell you what I really think about you and everyone who likes up your ridiculously illogical arguments.

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

POKEMON STARTERS AND ZELDA CHARACTERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME GAME. IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME ROLE.

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

EDIT: Actually I ignored you because you grossly misinterpret my posts and argue with me about things I never even said or remotely implied because you leap to assumptions based on your own bias and project that bias on to other people.

But, this is another big reason why.

You keep saying they're different, but not elaborating on how.

And it's not just Pokémon either. Look no further than Robin getting in and not Chrom, despite both being Awakening's main characters.

 

[UserKev]

This is exactly why you're ignored. Because you don't know what a false dichotomy is. And it pisses me off and makes it very difficult to not tell you what I really think about you and everyone who likes up your ridiculously illogical arguments.

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

The Like system is generally a joke. The veterans, most active users attract them in bandwagon format. Sometimes with barely any effort. It goes in a cycle.

I rarely like posts for this reason.

 

[Doubleslasher]

The winner of the last poll was Tetra, other than that the results were pretty close. Tingle is right behind Tetra by a few votes while the same could be said for Ganon and Vaati (who tied with each other).

Next up is a rather special case. Because these four hold na important to Breath of the Wild and had Amibo, I would like to see which one of them are truly the most desired. Your picks are Revali, Daruk, Mipha, and Urbosa.

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Inb4 Rebvali wins because Falco jokes

I didn't want to say this, but I don't think Mipha has a chance. She just doesn't really seem like one to have a fighter's moveset. The closest I can think of would be using spears (Because her Amiibo gives you spears) and

Spoiler: Divine Beasts

Using water jets from Ruta

 

[Deleted member]

Fixed.

Sorry, had to.

 

[Lukingordex]

This post almost made me doubt that there were any true smash fans left

My post was just an honest question...

I'm sorry if it sounded too agressive, that wasn't my intention

 

[NintenRob]

Greninja and Charizard are standouts from their fellow starters, and there is a reason people want a grass starter. They were more popular and received special treatent in both games and anime, just that in Greninja case Smash may have influenced it, but it still happened

The champions are pretty much equals in just all regards. They get about the same screen time and received amiibo at the same time. They're more equal than the sages and even the koopalings from other games.

 

[Deleted member]

If they focused on those extras alongside the gameplay and not bonkers *** stuff like Subspace Emisary, or custom specials, or another entire version alongside the main one, no. A lot of resources goes into that stuff and it's become a trend of it being less and less impactful. I love Emissary but I can't deny that I missed the old Adventure mode, Target Tests, Race to the Finish, and even Board the Platforms. They were just more enjoyable. Now stuff is all about "show".

This is very true. This same thing can be applied to stuff like the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, they just want to boast their graphics. Smash Tour just felt more "flashy and designed" instead of "fun" to be honest, and you are actually right. I could have not said it better at all than you did. We need Break the Targets back!

This is exactly why you're ignored. Because you don't know what a false dichotomy is. And it pisses me off and makes it very difficult to not tell you what I really think about you and everyone who likes up your ridiculously illogical arguments.

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

POKEMON STARTERS AND ZELDA CHARACTERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME GAME. IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME ROLE.

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE.

EDIT: Actually I ignored you because you grossly misinterpret my posts and argue with me about things I never even said or remotely implied because you leap to assumptions based on your own bias and project that bias on to other people.

But, this is another big reason why.

You make no sense.

I fully support the Mega Mushroom.

I do not. It would honestly be too over-powered and the character would just be way too big.

 

[Deleted member]

there is a reason people want a grass starter.

Yeah, it's called completing an arbitrary set for the sake of completing it.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm sure you'll never understand the differences between the absurd contrasts you make because you'll just think they make sense as long as a bunch of people on a forum like up your "points".

The Like system is generally a joke. The veterans, most active users attract them in bandwagon format. Sometimes with barely any effort. It goes in a cycle.

I rarely like posts for this reason.

Okay, let me just say this and get out of here. Why do y'all care? To my knowledge this is not a popularity contest. They generally earned those likes for being insightful.

Sayonara

You make no sense.

Yeah, that is the same thing I was thinking as well...

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Now this was interesting. Seem that Urbosa is the most preferred choice of the four Champions. Other than that, they were all pretty close to one another. Mipha and Revali were tied while it was Daruk who was the least wanted. Though all in all, I agree that it would be hard to have one as opposed to all of them (which would be a pipe dream at best).

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I'll have the next poll ready by tomorrow. Still have some good ones left. Like a certain Triforce Mage. Or more specifically, partially the reason why Hyrule Warriors' conflict was a thing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The Mega Mushroom's absence from Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 does make sense though.

what? How does it make sense?
Also people here are too hostile lately. Yeesh.

Also, Greninja is absolutely a good comparison considering the fact Sakurai put him in Smash before the general public even KNEW Pokemon X and Y existed

 

[Luminario]

I didn't want to say this, but I don't think Mipha has a chance. She just doesn't really seem like one to have a fighter's moveset. The closest I can think of would be using spears (Because her Amiibo gives you spears) and

Spoiler: Divine Beasts

Using water jets from Ruta

That's technically a working moveset right there though. Bare-bones but workable. Multiple characters in the game purely use swords, and some only use punches and kicks.
The game does say that Mipha excelled at using her trident. With a bit of creative liberty she can easily go down the Squirtle route to manipulate water and ice too, mixing in Cryonis and Waterblight Ganon inspired attacks with Rutah's trunk downpour being a good Final Smash.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I've lately realized, to go back to that conversation on computer games, that only one character could be early PC gaming...

Carmen Sandiego

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

People still remember her?

Now that's a blast from the past. lol