Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

The fact he got out actually made me more excited for Richter though. That blew my mind.

Oh hell yeah. I really appreciated that little "leak". Made me 100% expect 1 character, which I knew about, then WE GOT 4 INCLUDING KING K. ROOL. Truly amazing.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Water - Squirtle
Grass - Ivysaur
Fire - Charizard

There you go, the best starters of each type.

Spoiler: My Dark Secret

I'm actually more of a Samurott guy then a Squirtle guy.

Also Ivysaur < Sceptile < Grovyle < Mega Sceptile < Mega Venusaur

 

[Enchess]

Just want to mention that Sakurai has previously gone on record that he has considered Geno and Heihachi, meaning these are picks he likes. If Square and Bamco get 2 more characters, they'd likely be the 2 he has wanted in the game already.

Hold up there, wasn't Heihachi selected for iconic status then passed over because of moveset difficulty? That actually seems like a point against him for me.

Also, obligatory Saki was acknowledged as highly requested and implied to be considered for Brawl. Gotta support him when opportunity presents itself.

 

[RandomAce]

I thought Geno was already a safe pick based on what we’ve seen so far. We don’t really need a leaker to prove that Geno could be in, although it is nice to have actual confirmation.

However, Verge did say that it was another SE character, not specifically Geno, so I guess someone else is possible?

Idk, I can’t imagine the next SE characters not being Geno and Sora.

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Speaking of videos

@papagenos needs to see this and make a video on it

Potentially Geno news

I like how when he literally just goes on vacation, his most wanted character gets rumored.

 

[StormC]

I don't see why Slime can't be a 3rd party newcomer. He's iconic to the point that he's recognizable to those who aren't familiar with Dragon Quest, Dragon Quest itself is a popular series that has had many outings on Nintendo consoles, and there are many types of Slimes and Monsters that Slime can borrow moves from (Much like Ness and Lucas borrow moves from the "Black Mages" of their respective games).

Nobody wants to play as Slime in Smash. It's the same reason Final Fantasy didn't get a black mage character; the appeal of third parties is the crossover hype. They're selling the chance to have Link fight Cloud for the first time in 20 years, not to play as a generic "rep" for a company's IP.

Slime is a nobody to most gamers really. Even Simon Belmont can be recognized as the "Castlevania guy."

 

[ErenJager]

lol everyone dismisses Dragon Quest as a possibility and honestly I can't fathom why. I think it's actually a very compelling, and frankly likely, option for a new character from Square

There's only room for one character designed by Akira Toriyama in Smash...

 

[Luigi The President]

Nobody wants to play as Slime in Smash. It's the same reason Final Fantasy didn't get a black mage character; the appeal of third parties is the crossover hype. They're selling the chance to have Link fight Cloud for the first time in 20 years, not to play as a generic "rep" for a company's IP.

Slime is a nobody to most of the general gamer public. Even Simon Belmont can be recognized as the "Castlevania guy."

This is the biggest point against Slime for me.
This same argument came up when people discussed an FF rep pre-Cloud. Always ended in Moogle or Black Mage. Turned out to be Cloud!

 

[Ze Diglett]

I'm surprised the idea of a DQ rep even has as much traction as it does around these parts. In my book, if Square gets a new character, it's about 80% likely to be Geno and 20% likely to be anyone else.
That said, I'm not calling Geno a lock just because Verg got a tip that a Square Enix character is in. Even I'm not fool enough to think that everything a leaker says is true just because they got some neat stuff right in the past. I was already very confident in his chances anyway, so this really doesn't affect my stance at all.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So today it's Duck Hunt Duo.

How many characters it that left? over 30?

 

[Nethermoosen]

I was just responding to the "best grass starter". Although, as far as water goes, Wartortle and Primarina are my favorite single forms with Samurott being my favorite family. On fire, I absolutely adore Cyndaquil, like Charizard, and don't really like any families as a whole, so I guess I gotta go Charizard family because it's my favorite 3rd form fire starter.

But the best fire Pokémon is Salazzle
The best water Pokémon is Golduck
The best grass Pokemon is Shiinotic

 

[Paperchampion23]

Hold up there, wasn't Heihachi selected for iconic status then passed over because of moveset difficulty? That actually seems like a point against him for me.

Also, obligatory Saki was acknowledged as highly requested and implied to be considered for Brawl. Gotta support him when opportunity presents itself.

That was literally Ridley's problem for 10 years lol. Depends on if he went back to fix those problems. I have no idea.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I'd say it's likely DQ had the same issue Final Fantasy had, where the votes were split between the various different leads.

Yeah, if they are going to add one of the main protagonists who would they go with? Would they choose Hero, Hero, Hero, or do they go the unexpected route and add Hero?

I'm personally a fan of Hero myself.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm surprised the idea of a DQ rep even has as much traction as it does around these parts. In my book, if Square gets a new character, it's about 80% likely to be Geno and 20% likely to be anyone else.
That said, I'm not calling Geno a lock just because Verg got a tip that a Square Enix character is in. Even I'm not fool enough to think that everything a leaker says is true just because they got some neat stuff right in the past.

I notice with speculation when a likely 3rd party gets hinted at, somebody brings up a much more obscure title and it suddenly becomes a hot point of contention even though it was never discussed before, if that makes sense.

 

[Enchess]

There's only room for one character designed by Akira Toriyama in Smash...

I'm having a bit of an internal dilemma on whether to take the bait and make the easy "Exactly. DQ rep" joke or ignore to avoid this convo...

...oh wait... ****. Um... So how about Lip's chances for Smash? I doubt she placed high in ballot, but I bet she did well enough for Nintendo to ask why on Earth people are voting for such an obscure character. She could be cool. Would love to see her

 

[Deleted member]

I'd say it's likely DQ had the same issue Final Fantasy had, where the votes were split between the various different leads.

And that does far more harm than good no matter what, since the leads are never used for guest roles in the first place.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So, here's something I've noticed. There's been two Pokemon newcomers added to each Smash game. All the way back to 64. Pikachu and Jigglypuff, then Pichu and Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, then Greninja. Yeah, For is the only outlier of all the Smash games. Unless you count Mewtwo as DLC.

I just have this strange feeling that there won't be a Pokemon Newcomer this time around but if we're following, ahem, patterns. There'll likely be two...

 

[Pizzanigs]

I don’t know how to feel about the possibility of Geno. He’s such a “nobody” of a character.

On the one hand, it give the impression that anyone could be a fighter if the fans are passionate enough. The whole grassroots movement to get him in would be a cool story of its own.

But he just seems so... inconsequential compared to a lot of characters that could be added, that I’d feel a little bummed out. He’s definitely not this big all-star like the Smash community would have you believe. Then again I love niche picks for fighters...

Again, not sure how I’d feel.

Yeah, I feel the exact same way. I'm not gonna be mad at anyone getting in Smash that a bunch of fans love, but I just find it so weird how everyone thinks Geno should be in Smash based off an obscure Mario RPG from decades ago, and he hasn't appeared since. Just feels weird for a character literally no one knows of outside of hardcore Smash speculators to be in a crossover of "All-Stars"

 

[Deleted member]

...oh wait... ****. Um... So how about Lip's chances for Smash?

0%.
Lip's Stick is still an item.

 

[Enchess]

That was literally Ridley's problem for 10 years lol. Depends on if he went back to fix those problems. I have no idea.

But Ridley had huge fan demand that caused Sakurai to reconsider. Heihachi has some fans, but nothing in comparison to Ridley.

 

[Smearglangelo]

Mostly his lack of limbs to grab & hold items, characters, ledges, etc.

That's a good point. On a slightly related note Here is Goomba rowing a boat. He has also played baseball on multiple occasions. Smash Ultimate's policy on playable characters may be a bit different than Super Mario Party's though.

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah, I feel the exact same way. I'm not gonna be mad at anyone getting in Smash that a bunch of fans love, but I just find it so weird how everyone thinks Geno should be in Smash based off an obscure Mario RPG from decades ago, and he hasn't appeared since. Just feels weird for a character literally no one knows of outside of hardcore Smash speculators to be in a crossover of "All-Stars"

I wouldn't use "literally" here. SMRPG is well-regarded by most "grown-up", older gamers. It's certainly left a legacy.
I guarantee you if he were to be confirmed, a good chunk of people would say "oh, I remember him! Glad he's back," then go back to...raising their kids.
Dang. Time really flies. But nostalgia does wild things.

That's a good point. On a slightly related note Here is Goomba rowing a boat. He has also played baseball on multiple occasions. Smash Ultimate's policy on playable characters may be a bit different Super Mario Party though.

You can get away with this in a Mario Party game, but in Smash, I'd wager that's very, VERY different.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Smash Ultimate has the original composer of Mario RPG's music on staff.

I wonder. If Geno gets in she'll compose an awesome remix of it?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Sakurai is in a weird place with more Square Enix representation beyond Cloud.

He's got a tall order to fill with the long standing Geno request, but there are a few of other iconic franchises and characters that slide into the Smash world that are going to capture a certain mass attention Geno won't.

But the thing is? If you add them, but you don't add Geno. You get a lot of Geno fans saying ''K Rool and Ridley fans go their wish.", but if you add Geno? You have fans of other FF icons, DragonQuest icons, Sora, Lara Croft, etc going ''Why not them instead?"

 

[Luigi The President]

Just watch Geno enter the fray and be counted as a Mario character.
That's gonna mess with everyone.

 

[N3ON]

Slime should be an AT.
Crono should also be an AT but that ain't happening. ;_;

So, here's something I've noticed. There's been two Pokemon newcomers added to each Smash game. All the way back to 64. Pikachu and Jigglypuff, then Pichu and Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, then Greninja. Yeah, For is the only outlier of all the Smash games. Unless you count Mewtwo as DLC.

I just have this strange feeling that there won't be a Pokemon Newcomer this time around but if we're following, ahem, patterns. There'll likely be two...

I think one is looking the likeliest, two if we can get an easy echo. With TPC the way they are, I'll always bet on a Pokemon newcomer.

They also re-added four, which is worth keeping in mind.

Also worth keeping in mind is Gen 8 DLC seems a real plausibility.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Just watch Geno enter the fray and be counted as a Mario character.
That's gonna mess with everyone.

I'm betting he's going to.

I can't imagine him representing the "Super Mario RPG: Legend of the 7 Stars" series

 

[SirCamp]

So, here's something I've noticed. There's been two Pokemon newcomers added to each Smash game. All the way back to 64. Pikachu and Jigglypuff, then Pichu and Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, then Greninja. Yeah, For is the only outlier of all the Smash games. Unless you count Mewtwo as DLC.

I just have this strange feeling that there won't be a Pokemon Newcomer this time around but if we're following, ahem, patterns. There'll likely be two...

In the "prediction" I made a couple pages ago I did predict two myself. Those being Incineroar and Gardevoir.

 

[ErenJager]

I'm having a bit of an internal dilemma on whether to take the bait and make the easy "Exactly. DQ rep" joke or ignore to avoid this convo...

...oh wait... ****. Um... So how about Lip's chances for Smash? I doubt she placed high in ballot, but I bet she did well enough for Nintendo to ask why on Earth people are voting for such an obscure character. She could be cool. Would love to see her

Coulda trolled back with Crono from Chrono Trigger.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Just watch Geno enter the fray and be counted as a Mario character.
That's gonna mess with everyone.

Wait why wouldn't he count as a Mario character?

 

[Enchess]

0%.
Lip's Stick is still an item.

To be fair, so is the screw-attack. And technically you can count fireflower in that category as well.

 

[StormC]

Gen 7 newcomer in the base and gen 8 as DLC seems like the most plausible outcome for Pokemon at this point.

 

[Zinith]

kamek should be the second yoshi rep

I don't disagree with you there. To be honest, Kamek fits the Villain/Rival role for Yoshi more than even my most wanted does...

Is it weird that I did a text impersonation of Zinith talking about Yoshi and feel worried he hasn’t responded? Like, I don’t wanna offend my boi. I feel like he would find me, egg me, roll into my legs and drop his *** on me while I’m down just to show me what’s up. And I mostly don’t want that.

Nah, I'm too much of a ***** to do that. I had to leave work, so that's why I didn't respond.

So today it's Duck Hunt Duo.

How many characters it that left? over 30?

36 to be exact

 

[RandomAce]

So, here's something I've noticed. There's been two Pokemon newcomers added to each Smash game. All the way back to 64. Pikachu and Jigglypuff, then Pichu and Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, then Greninja. Yeah, For is the only outlier of all the Smash games. Unless you count Mewtwo as DLC.

I just have this strange feeling that there won't be a Pokemon Newcomer this time around but if we're following, ahem, patterns. There'll likely be two...

The truth is, Pokemon is one of the easiest way to get a unique character into Smash.

There’s tons of Pokemon to select and many of them can easily stand out. That’s why I think Sakurai always picks one. And why it’s possible that there’s a Pokémon for this game as well, they’re a gold mine for new characters why would you not to?

But if we’re getting two, I’m betting a ORAS and SM Pokemon. Sceptile being the Gen 3 one since he does seem to be very popular among TPC and the fans themselves, not to mention unique grass moves, and Incineroar/Lycanroc for SM due to their moveset potential.

There’s also Gen 8 for DLC so Sakurai might add just an SM pokemon and a Gen 8 one instead.

 

[Luigi The President]

Wait why wouldn't he count as a Mario character?

It's more that he's a third party, so seeing a third party lumped in with the Mario characters may bewilder some, true or not.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

So, here's something I've noticed. There's been two Pokemon newcomers added to each Smash game. All the way back to 64. Pikachu and Jigglypuff, then Pichu and Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, then Greninja. Yeah, For is the only outlier of all the Smash games. Unless you count Mewtwo as DLC.

I just have this strange feeling that there won't be a Pokemon Newcomer this time around but if we're following, ahem, patterns. There'll likely be two...

However?

You can still feel this quota by doing a unique Pokemon and then an Echo Pokemon. The problem is? Who gets to be the echo?

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

The more he opens his mouth, the easier it becomes to disprove him. If any of Ken, Isabelle, or Geno gets deconfirmed, or if Decidueye or Lycanroc get in, we can throw his trustworthiness out the window.

Granted, nothing he's said I've seen as particularly unlikely, except MAYBE the Minecraft content.

He didn't say it was Geno though o.9 yet...

 

[MainJPW]

There's only room for one character designed by Akira Toriyama in Smash...

Yeah.

Chrono from Chrono Trigger.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

To be fair, so is the screw-attack. And technically you can count fireflower in that category as well.

Those are one move power ups. Lip's Stick is essentially her main weapon. It would be like having the Master Sword or Monado as an item.

 

[Nethermoosen]

However?

You can still feel this quota by doing a unique Pokemon and then an Echo Pokemon. The problem is? Who gets to be the echo?

Obviously Gardev....eh. I’m not even.
Rapidash and Zebstrika.