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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Am I in fantasy land? Are people actually seeing the same reason for a new Smash that I see? Is it coincidence? Have I made an impact Probably not

Do people finally understand a port would be outdated because too many franchises have had new games since the last Smash. If you were to show off all of them, you may as well call it a new game anyway.
 

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Enhanced port, new game, whatever it is, I'll buy it, because good lord having an HD portable Smash is the dream (also because I'm a sucker and will buy literally any Smash game no matter what it is).

Just please give me Spring Man.
 

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True that. My main suffered a fall from greatness in Sm4sh, though he could be worse off than he is, I suppose.
Seeing Dedede have a Final Smash that can be escaped from also adds insult to injury. All five hits should be able to connect against every fighter under normal circumstances, but obviously, defense adjustments through customizations can affect the knockback dealt.
 

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Honestly, the only real reason I'm hesitant about Smash Switch being a new game is because of my fear of potential character cuts, especially if they get a new director behind the wheel. I don't want characters getting removed/not coming back because "they're irrelevant" or "this newcomer is better", and third parties getting axed because "we didn't bother trying to collaborate with the company to put them back in." Sm4sh has probably the most diverse and interesting cast of the four games, and I'd hate to see nearly any of its characters get the boot (with my sole exceptions of Dark Pit and Lucina, those are the only two I'd be fine with being cut. The Doc's too cool to cut in my opinion.)
 

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I could take an enhanced port or a brand new game, but I'd prefer the latter right now.

As for a new game, I'd want the Smash Museum ideas I have talked about in the past, some more true alternate costumes (like maybe yukata Lucina or even Mario's construction look from Super Mario Maker) , and crossover outfits that make sense (like Falco wearing Capt. Falcon's outfit).
 

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A friend of mine raised the possibility of the Smash 4 Port/Smash 5 coming together with the paid Nintendo Switch online System.
Seems plausible to me. That way they would "force" us to pay for it :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, Liam Robertson is a much more shaky source. He also said Shovel Knight was gonna be in Smash.
Shame that didn't turn out real, but at least there's the hypothetical port to correct that mistake. :troll:
 

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I dunno, I could see Smash Switch being ”Splatoon’d”, as in clearly using the previous game as a base but building onto that enough to justify it as a sequel/new game. Physics and artstyle would probably remain the same though, Smash 4 was already better in both compared to Brawl, so I wouldn’t mind.
Or Mario Kart Wii'd
 
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Honestly, the only real reason I'm hesitant about Smash Switch being a new game is because of my fear of potential character cuts, especially if they get a new director behind the wheel. I don't want characters getting removed/not coming back because "they're irrelevant" or "this newcomer is better", and third parties getting axed because "we didn't bother trying to collaborate with the company to put them back in." Sm4sh has probably the most diverse and interesting cast of the four games, and I'd hate to see nearly any of its characters get the boot (with my sole exceptions of Dark Pit and Lucina, those are the only two I'd be fine with being cut. The Doc's too cool to cut in my opinion.)
I agree with fearing a new installment, as some could have a higher chance of getting cut.
I would take a Smash for Switch new installment over a port though, because everyone would be much more excited to move on to another game from Smash 4, like how people were from Melee to Brawl.
The thing about Smash 4 is that I feel like it's competitive scene will not last as long as the Melee competitive scene.
 

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Sad thing is we live in a time where a game with 40 characters splits it's roster 50/50 with it's DLC.

So it's natural to be scared for Smash Bros.
 
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If the veterans get ported from Smash for Wii U, what non character/stage content would you like to see in the new game?
Another Mother 3 stage would be awesome, like maybe Tazmily Village? I would also want to see a Melee-ish Adventure Mode, Break the Target, and Board the Platform return.
Yep. It's releasing at the same time as the supposed Luigi's Mansion 3 game that hasn't been talked about since the summer of 2015.



Since we're talking about the probability of a Smash port, is there anyone here who DOESN'T want to see Smash Wii U ported to Switch? I understand why people would want it, but I'm not really holding my breath for it. There has been so much going on with Nintendo since the release of Smash Wii U in November 2014. We got Splatoon, BotW, Odyssey, Sun and Moon, Xenoblade 2, Kirby Star Allies, and the announcement of Prime 4, Pokemon Switch, and FE Switch. If Nintendo were to release a port now, there's just no way they'd be able to represent all of that. At best, we'd probable get about 3 characters and a couple of new stages. By the time the next real Smash game comes out, it could be close to the end of the Switch's lifespan, meaning that the time between Smash Wii U and Smash Switch would be the longest gap between Smash releases.

I don't know about you, but that's an awfully long time to wait for Smash.
Something to remember is that we had a lot of DLC with three veterans and four newcomers, three of which are third-party and the last batch of contents came out in February, 2016, only two years ago. That's not a long time and the DLC even covers Fire Emblem: Fates with Corrin's inclusion. When putting it into context, the last Smash game doesn't feel like such a long time ago. I don't think they will be dipping into anymore characters that showed up before February, 2016 for a new Smash game. If anything, a new Smash game feels too early I'd argue would be better suited as a launch title on the next Nintendo system. Also DK:TF got a re-release and it's older than Smash so the window of opportunity for a Smash 4 port hasn't shut. Finally a Smash port is guaranteed to sell at least Melee numbers because these audiences:
  • Competitive gamers
  • People who haven't played one of 3DS & Wii U version
  • People who haven't played Smash 4 at all
Personally, Mega Man's inclusion satisfied the franchise for me to the closest extent possible. There was no game that I anticipated more than Smash 4's release and there will never be a game that comes close to that anticipation level. Except for a few disappointing exclusions (character and non-character related), Smash 4 is the ideal Smash game I've always wanted. So any future iteration is going to be a lesser installment for me. Thus I would rather have a Smash 4 Switch port with all 3DS and Wii U contents together and because of how much I loved that game I would buy it again - even without new contents - especially considering that it's only been two years since we've seen new Smash contents. I don't need anymore new Smash games in my life and if they can, would rather they expand what they already have when they have the chance.

As for a new Smash game, I'm going to need more than "We're adding more contents!" to get me to buy a game because we already have a massive game as it is and I'm already bracing myself for the inevitable:4lucas:cut. Unlike last game, I'm not expecting any newcomers I want to get in so I've cut off that source of anticipation. What Smash needs is a new director that will take the franchise in a new direction and takes risk with it like what Nintendo did to Mario and Zelda last year. Otherwise, the frachise will stagnate as we've already added the most important characters that will bring in sales (except arguably Inklings). Eventually something has to change because if I see the next Smash game that's the same things but possibly more stuff, I'm going to have second thoughts about picking up the game.
 

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Sad thing is we live in a time where a game with 40 characters splits it's roster 50/50 with it's DLC.

So it's natural to be scared for Smash Bros.
While I realize this may be an oversimplification of what you're saying, I want to acknowledge a common misconception about Smash Bros. and DLC.

Smash Bros. will never be a game that has base characters locked behind a paywall. DLC has been stated to be exclusively for content which is worked on and finished after the game's initial release. (Source)

Masahiro Sakurai said:
These days, the “DLC scam” has become quite the epidemic, charging customers extra money to complete what was essentially an unfinished product. I completely understand how aggravated players must feel. After all, a game should be 100% done at the time of release, and I would be livid if it were split up and sold in pieces.

Why, then, do you think so many titles provide premium DLC on or shortly following a game’s release? It’s because that’s the easiest way to make money.

After all, if you wait too long after a game’s release to distribute additional content, players will already move on to the next title. Even long tail titles–that is, ones that perform consistently well over an extended period of time–make more money the earlier they come out.

The same goes for Sm4sh. We could have easily reserved a few characters on the current roster and later sold them as premium DLC. A considerable amount of work went into development, and the game would have already featured a ton of content. Plus, if you were looking to make a profit, DLC would be the way to go. Development is more costly than ever, yet the price of games has remained the same, so more income would help offset that imbalance.

However, the DLC we are releasing for Sm4sh is authentic, developed only after we finished working on the main game. Of course, said content will come to you at a premium as compensation for the work put into developing additional content post-production. Nintendo has the final say on the price, but given the number of man-hours spent on the creation of this DLC, I’d say it’s a great deal.
That said, if characters have to be cut in the process of development, they may be brought back through DLC at a later time. This is not cutting characters in order to make them DLC, but rather using the time that comes from working on DLC to bring a beloved character to the game that wasn't going to make it otherwise. There is a significant difference, imo.
 

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Finally a Smash port is guaranteed to sell at least Melee numbers because these audiences
tbh that'd be a letdown for Nintendo as the Smash series kept selling better with each installment with the Wii U version failing to keep that pattern, but that's because it was the Wii U. 3DS is the best selling version of the game
 

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I think a port is great, for a potential first game on the Switch. A new Smash game at the end of the Switch's lifespan could be a great thing. I mean, just compare it to Tropical Freeze. Great game, critically acclaimed as one of Nintendo's best platforming games, sold horribly because it was on Wii U. Smash 4 Wii U would've sold far more if the game wasn't on Wii U either, we cannot deny it. So I hope if the game gets ported, it'll be released as early as possible. It would help the Switch tremendously overall, cause Smash is a HUGE deal. This is why Melee was so rushed, cause it helped sell the GameCube (it SURE sold it to me I remember- cause I was upset and salty as **** cause Rare left).

Also, I am kinda biased anyway. I never owned Smash 4, didn't even get it for the 3DS, as I do have that system but no Wii U. So in a way, I wanted it ported so I won't miss out on it, simple as that (even tho I played it loads at a friend's place). This is also why I was very excited for the Tropical Freeze port, am actually getting the Switch because of it next time am getting paid. But notice how also Hyrule Warriors, Pokken and Mario Kart got ported, and those togheter with Splatoon and Smash really shaped the Wii U. Am therefore not surprised it'll end up being a port when it does.

As for characters? I really couldn't care much for most of the newcomers of Smash 4. Some grown on me, sure. But a lot felt extremely forced and mostly for marketing / bias reasons. Characters, therefore, would be a definite down side for a port for me. Most potential cuts I don't feel much for anyway.

Selfish reasons aside, there's a good and reasonable chance that Smash Switch will be a port / remake / Smash 4 Wii U 1.5. Most good Wii U games are being ported, and it's a real solid game with a huge cast and somewhat good balance. Lots of reasons to just port it, and especially if Sakurai is taking a break for this one. I wouldn't want the burden of making THE biggest crossover fighting game that everyone and his dog is looking forward to. If there's mentoin of a Smash game this year, be sure it'll be a port or at least extremely similar to Smash Wii U, or a composite Smash 4 with content of the 3DS version in full HD, a few newcomers, a sort of Adventure Mode and other small fixes.

Anyway, bought Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest the other day. So far am liking it but the story is really watered down from other FE's. :4corrinf: Awakening is also coming in the mail box one of these days. :4lucina::4robinm:
 

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I think it may be time for a new game, simply for the fact almost all the main series have had/will soon have a big new game

Original 8

Mario: 3D World/Odyssey/Kingdom Battle(?)
Zelda: Warriors/Breath of the Wild
Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze
Star Fox: Zero (Hey, Other M counted for Smash 4)
Metroid: Samus Returns/Prime 4
Pokemon: Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon/Pokemon Switch
Kirby: Planet Robobot/Star Allies
Yoshi: Poochie's Wooly World/ Yoshi Switch

Newer

Fire Emblem: Warriors/Switch/Fates(well, they kinda pre-empted that one but still)
Pikmin: Hey!
Animal Crossing: Welcome Amiibo
Xenoblade: X/2

3rd Party
Metal Gear: V/Survive
Sonic: Mania/Forces
Megaman: 11
Pac-Man: Pac-Man Vs. rereleased for Switch? (Stretching a bit here)
Street Fighter: 5 arcade edition
Final Fantasy: 15/7 remake in works (still)
Bayonetta: 3

Dormant

All retros (duh)
Wario
F-Zero
Earthbound
Kid Icarus
WiiFit
Punch Out

Really, besides the Switch's baffling lack of a Warioware game and no-one being brave enough to build on KIU's foundation in a sequel, they've got more than enough material for new stages and character redesigns (costume or moveset).
 

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I think it may be time for a new game, simply for the fact almost all the main series have had/will soon have a big new game

Original 8

Mario: 3D World/Odyssey/Kingdom Battle(?)
Zelda: Warriors/Breath of the Wild
Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze
Star Fox: Zero (Hey, Other M counted for Smash 4)
Metroid: Samus Returns/Prime 4
Pokemon: Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon/Pokemon Switch
Kirby: Planet Robobot/Star Allies
Yoshi: Poochie's Wooly World/ Yoshi Switch

Newer

Fire Emblem: Warriors/Switch/Fates(well, they kinda pre-empted that one but still)
Pikmin: Hey!
Animal Crossing: Welcome Amiibo
Xenoblade: X/2

3rd Party
Metal Gear: V/Survive
Sonic: Mania/Forces
Megaman: 11
Pac-Man: Pac-Man Vs. rereleased for Switch? (Stretching a bit here)
Street Fighter: 5 arcade edition
Final Fantasy: 15/7 remake in works (still)
Bayonetta: 3

Dormant

All retros (duh)
Wario
F-Zero
Earthbound
Kid Icarus
WiiFit
Punch Out

Really, besides the Switch's baffling lack of a Warioware game and no-one being brave enough to build on KIU's foundation in a sequel, they've got more than enough material for new stages and character redesigns (costume or moveset).
There's a lot more series dormant than that.

But otherwise I agree in that the next Smash needs to be a new game and not a port. The Switch is doing incredible and there's no need to port over Smash 4.

What I am in favor of however is re-using a lot of Sm4sH's assets in the development of Smash 5 to lessen the dev time.
 
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tbh that'd be a letdown for Nintendo as the Smash series kept selling better with each installment with the Wii U version failing to keep that pattern, but that's because it was the Wii U. 3DS is the best selling version of the game
If it’s a port, not really and even then it could easily do better. Being among the Top 5 best selling games for the Switch is not unlikely, especially if they add new contents on top of it. Remember there’s a huge potential audience for this game; just look at how well Mario Kart 7 Deluxe did and that’s an expanded port.

And no, the 3DS was not the best selling Smash game; that’s still Brawl with thirteen million copies. Combine the 3DS and Wii U maybe but not individually.
 
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If it’s a port, not really and even then it could easily do better. Being among the Top 5 best selling games for the Switch is not unlikely, especially if they add new contents on top of it. Remember there’s a huge potential audience for this game; just look at how well Mario Kart 7 Deluxe did and that’s an expanded port.

And no, the 3DS was not the best selling Smash game; that’s still Brawl with thirteen million copies. Combine the 3DS and Wii U maybe but not individually.
*looks up*
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wii.html
A couple million difference, though Wii U and 3DS combined DO outsell it
 

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We as a community count 3DS and WiiU as the same game, question is does Nintendo internally?
 

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The game will most likely port the characters and update them accordingly along with anything else they want to keep. Everything else is going to be new.

The game itself will be by no means a "port", but I seriously doubt they are gonna start 100% from scratch. People are going to have expectations regarding veterans returning as well as all the amiibo they've purchased.

There is not going to be a "port" though.
 

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All you have to do is consider all the people who didn't own Smash 4 Wii U, those who will double dip if new characters are added, look at MK8D's numbers, realize a proper Smash 5 is very possibly a long ways off, see all the other 2014 ports coming out this year, and accept how much sense this port makes to the business behind it, not the limited slice of gamers who already owned the original.

Those games that have come out since Smash 4 can and will be addressed in a future Smash, there's no need to worry. Galaxy wasn't incorporated into Smash to any notable degree until seven years after it released.

Shame that didn't turn out real, but at least there's the hypothetical port to correct that mistake. :troll:
It's not unthinkable to imagine the characters that will be added to the port were developed concurrently with the DLC and Shovel Knight was one of them, perhaps leading to conclusion that he would be DLC. Or that he was planned for DLC but ultimately relegated to the port. However those are a lot of hypotheticals. It's also entirely plausible the whole thing was bogus. Seems possible we'll find out sooner than later.
 

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Personally, I really enjoy Smash 4 (I only have the Wii U version), so a Smash DX would be totally fine with me. Given how MK8DX went, as well as the new IP's that have been created, I would expect:

  1. All of the 3DS and Wii U content, along with all DLC included. The 3DS stages will of course need a new coat of paint, considering they'll have to be in HD now.
  2. More characters, probably 5 to 8. Inkling and Ice Climbers are very likely, an ARMS rep seems likely as well.
  3. Additional stages.
  4. Possibly a new mode, although not as large as SSE, but still significant enough to be worth touting.
The last point I'm less confident on, but a Smash DX in late 2018 should have a healthy amount of content.
 

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May I ask how so?
With a port he doesn't face competition from characters already in Smash 4. In a new game everyone is made from scratch.

I'm the same way. I honestly think Wolf's only shot is a port, because at this point so many characters are higher priority than him that I outright don't think he'd get in in a full new title.
 

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With a port he doesn't face competition from characters already in Smash 4. In a new game everyone is made from scratch.

I'm the same way. I honestly think Wolf's only shot is a port, because at this point so many characters are higher priority than him that I outright don't think he'd get in in a full new title.
I'd personally say otherwise, but I can see how one might come to that conclusion.
 
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With a port he doesn't face competition from characters already in Smash 4. In a new game everyone is made from scratch.

I'm the same way. I honestly think Wolf's only shot is a port, because at this point so many characters are higher priority than him that I outright don't think he'd get in in a full new title.
Plus cuts will likely be more severe than previous games seeing as I doubt Sakurai is directing another Smash game and a new director probably won't have the same attachment to characters already in as he does. If the gameplay receives considerable changes then even more characters are going to get the axe. The only character they brought back in the base roster was a clone, indicating that returning cuts is not a high priority for even Sakurai outside of easily sellable DLCs. The next new game may not bring back anyone so a port is the best opportunity for cut characters who missed the DLC boat to come back.

The only cut veteran not in Smash 4 that has a shot in a new game is Ice Climbers.
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I wonder how Nintendo is going to hype up the deluxe port should it happen. Remember back right after Smash 4's release when we thought there was going to be only four DLC characters? Then we ended up getting seven and with a ballot to drum up hype for DLCs.

Nintendo knows how much of a hype machine Smash is and they will ultilize it until they milk it dry. They're going to make it one of the biggest games of 2018 simply because they know how much a Smash 4 Deluxe port will sell. I don't expect another Ballot but it'll certainly revive the speculaion scene (assuming they don't just spill the new additions all at once).
 
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I wonder how Nintendo is going to hype up the deluxe port should it happen. Remember back right after Smash 4's release when we thought there was going to be only four DLC characters? Then we ended up getting seven and with a ballot to drum up hype for DLCs.

Nintendo knows how much of a hype machine Smash is and they will ultilize it until they milk it dry. They're going to make it one of the biggest games of 2018 simply because they know how much a Smash 4 Deluxe port will sell. I don't expect another Ballot but it'll certainly revive the speculaion scene (assuming they don't just spill the new additions all at once).
If a new Smash 4 port really is on the way (which I still don't want happen but I digress), then I imagine they'll open up by announcing the return of Ice Climbers. They were intended to be in the game, but 3DS limitation prevented their inclusion, so I imagine they'd be top priority. Also, I'm pretty sure that will be enough to get the hype train going, They'll also showcase 3DS-exclusive content is coming. Assuming it gets announced at E3, I think a September-December release is a good estimate. If release is closer to September, I can see them spilling all the beans for whatever else they're gonna add to the roster. If release is closer to December, I think they'll be doing reveals over the span of the few months between announcement and release, slowly trickling new info about added content.

Of course, this is assuming if they are willing to put forth effort into anything beyond 3DS content and Ice Climbers in the first place.
 
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Characters sell Smash. As cool as Smash Run HD and some stages are, they mean little when compared to new characters. If it's a port and new characters are included, then I expect at least one major hype-building, mind-blowing addition. Someone that'll really make the headlines like Snake and Cloud did. I don't know who it could be, but I believe it'll happen, even if it's only, like, three new characters or whatever.

...or a full-fledged story mode like SSE. That'll do the trick as well. Not so sure how likely that is for a port though...
 
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Characters sell Smash. As cool as Smash Run HD and some stages are, they mean little when compared to new characters. If it's a port and new characters are included, then I expect at least one major hype-building, mind-blowing addition. Someone that'll really make the headlines like Snake and Cloud did. I don't know who it could be, but I believe it'll happen, even if it's only, like, three new characters or whatever.

...or a full-fledged story mode like SSE. That'll do the trick as well. Not so sure how likely that is for a port though...
While that is true, you also need to keep in mind that there are also people who missed out on Smash 4 because it was on the Wii U; a pixel-by-pixel port would sell to them just as well as an enhanced port with five-eight more characters. This is the majority as well; just compare sales of Mario Kart 8 to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
 
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While that is true, you also need to keep in mind that there are also people who missed out on Smash 4 because it was on the Wii U; a pixel-by-pixel port would sell to them just as well as an enhanced port with five-eight more characters. This is the majority as well; just compare sales of Mario Kart 8 to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
That's true, but I'd say that a good chunk of those who missed out on the Wii U version probably played the 3DS version (I mean, it sold nearly twice as much), which had the same roster (and arguably the better mode). That said, you're definitely right with the Mario Kart comparison. There's a large crowd that most likely went by without playing either version of the game, so, like most ports, it would essentially be a brand new game to them. Again though, Smash is a hype machine, and if a new game isn't happening for a few years, then I can see Nintendo doing whatever they can to get as much excitement out of this port as possible. It's a new situation for the series, just like the DLC period was, so who knows what will happen...
 

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If a Smash 4 port happens, I hope they fix the physics and engine. Just playing Smash 4 feels like it is more casual and lacks the depth that previous games had, even Brawl. Yes, there is a ton of polish, but overall, things feel too simplified. I think that making it a bit faster paced could help sell it even more.
 

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That's true, but I'd say that a good chunk of those who missed out on the Wii U version probably played the 3DS version (I mean, it sold nearly twice as much), which had the same roster (and arguably the better mode). That said, you're definitely right with the Mario Kart comparison. There's a large crowd that most likely went by without playing either version of the game, so, like most ports, it would essentially be a brand new game to them. Again though, Smash is a hype machine, and if a new game isn't happening for a few years, then I can see Nintendo doing whatever they can to get as much excitement out of this port as possible. It's a new situation for the series, just like the DLC period was, so who knows what will happen...
It all depends on when and where Nintendo has Smash on their minds. The installments tend to be released a good five-seven years apart (the obvious exception being the original Super Smash Bros. and Melee at two years apart, though it's painfully obvious the latter was rushed to be an early release for the GameCube, as shown by all of its... interesting mechanics...), and with Smash 4 being released in late 2014, I think 2019 is when we should start considering the possibility of Smash 5 a guarantee. By the time 2018 ends, the Smash 4 Deluxe boat will have already sailed (of course that depends on weather they keep releasing ports from the Wii U to the Switch, though I have a feeling that Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze will be the last one, or one of the final ports at least). And I am aware of the issue of DLC pushing Smash 4 development into early 2016; as you mentioned, this is new ground for us. On one hand, the time taken for DLC wouldn't really matter. On the other hand, it could, and we may need to wait one or two more years for a new installment.

2018, in my opinion, is just a weird time for Smash; it's both too early for Smash 5 and too late for Smash 4 Deluxe. Yes, I am aware they are continuing to release ports, though as time goes on likelihood decreases more and more. I think E3 is our last chance to get a port. If we get no Smash news by then, we'll probably need to start accepting Smash 5 as the inevitable.

That said, I'm certainly expecting Smash 5 to be later down the Switch's lifespan than most. My prediction is a reveal in 2019, along with a trailer with some newcomer announcements, akin to Brawl and Smash 4. Then, we'll continue to get trickles of information regarding characters, stages, modes, and more until the release, which I would personally pinpoint somewhere in 2020-2021, depending on how late into 2019 the game is revealed.
 
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Honestly, a straight port of either version won't do much at all. Fact of the matter is, yes, characters sell. Just having only the DLC isn't impressive enough for people who already own it to dip into a 3rd version. You want the most amount of customers. More characters, especially cuts and ones people want, will easily bring in the dough. If you're not going to do an enhanced port of Smash, it's better to do a full new version instead. Also, do keep in mind most of the ports from the Wii U/3DS to Switch are enhanced ones(I forget if any weren't enhanced). I doubt it would change when it comes to Smash.
 

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Also, do keep in mind most of the ports from the Wii U/3DS to Switch are enhanced ones(I forget if any weren't enhanced).
Would Hyrule Warriors count as one? So far, we just get all the stuff from Wii U and Legends bundled up in one game... with two bonus costumes (though that hardly qualifies as an "enhanced" port imo)
 

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Would Hyrule Warriors count as one? So far, we just get all the stuff from Wii U and Legends bundled up in one game... with two bonus costumes (though that hardly qualifies as an "enhanced" port imo)
Yeah, it's enhanced. Basically, they'd have no actual new content, period. Or no new features. Just a straight port. Technically speaking, a fusion of two games is enhanced in a manner of speaking, but the lack of completely new content makes it slightly dubious.

Even weak amounts of content still counts as enhanced if it's new.
 
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